Author Topic: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing? (Read 24682 times)

racenut · « **Reply #15 on:** October 22, 2007, 04:50:59 PM »

The various divisions of the US Military don't "officially" sponsor Nascar Teams. This money is "advertising" dollars to promote recruitment, which they claim is very successful. (I know it's just semantics though) All "ad" deals are only one year, and are renewed annually. I don't see this as being any different than any other sponsorship program. If you were an employee of any of the companies that sponsor racing or anything else, wouldn't it be natural to think that they should be increasing your wages and benefits instead of spending millions on these programs? I don't endorse this view, but I can see that side of the argument. Some people will support and enjoy their companies' involvement and others will be cynical.
As for UNICEF or other charities. Yes, some are corrupt, but not all. I also agree with the idea of giving to whatever cause that you see fit individually and not through a corporate drive. Let them give their own money and not take credit (and get the tax credit) from the donations of others.

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CanadianRacingOnline.com · « **Reply #15 on:** October 22, 2007, 04:50:59 PM »

JoeChance · « **Reply #16 on:** October 22, 2007, 05:23:13 PM »

Quote from: racenut on October 22, 2007, 04:50:59 PM

The various divisions of the US Military don't "officially" sponsor Nascar Teams. This money is "advertising" dollars to promote recruitment, which they claim is very successful. (I know it's just semantics though) All "ad" deals are only one year, and are renewed annually. I don't see this as being any different than any other sponsorship program. If you were an employee of any of the companies that sponsor racing or anything else, wouldn't it be natural to think that they should be increasing your wages and benefits instead of spending millions on these programs? I don't endorse this view, but I can see that side of the argument. Some people will support and enjoy their companies' involvement and others will be cynical.
As for UNICEF or other charities. Yes, some are corrupt, but not all. I also agree with the idea of giving to whatever cause that you see fit individually and not through a corporate drive. Let them give their own money and not take credit (and get the tax credit) from the donations of others.

The American military very much officially sponsors nascar teams and they do multi year deals but usually not more then 2 years at a time .
http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?id=2954576
The American military has almost 1.5 million people in it and they need to recruit constantly like any large organization and NASCAR works for them .
The Canadian military recruits as well however they have a different method .

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Thayne · « **Reply #17 on:** October 22, 2007, 06:16:10 PM »

Quote from: JoeChance on October 22, 2007, 05:23:13 PM

Quote from: racenut on October 22, 2007, 04:50:59 PM
The various divisions of the US Military don't "officially" sponsor Nascar Teams. This money is "advertising" dollars to promote recruitment, which they claim is very successful. (I know it's just semantics though) All "ad" deals are only one year, and are renewed annually. I don't see this as being any different than any other sponsorship program. If you were an employee of any of the companies that sponsor racing or anything else, wouldn't it be natural to think that they should be increasing your wages and benefits instead of spending millions on these programs? I don't endorse this view, but I can see that side of the argument. Some people will support and enjoy their companies' involvement and others will be cynical.
As for UNICEF or other charities. Yes, some are corrupt, but not all. I also agree with the idea of giving to whatever cause that you see fit individually and not through a corporate drive. Let them give their own money and not take credit (and get the tax credit) from the donations of others.

The American military very much officially sponsors nascar teams and they do multi year deals but usually not more then 2 years at a time .
http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?id=2954576
The American military has almost 1.5 million people in it and they need to recruit constantly like any large organization and NASCAR works for them .
The Canadian military recruits as well however they have a different method .

ThAT IS TOO FUNNY

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CanadianRacingOnline.com · « **Reply #17 on:** October 22, 2007, 06:16:10 PM »

hill3 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 22, 2007, 06:31:04 PM »

joe that is not right, you should know that all Canadian navy ships come with a back up sail or a set of paddles

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Kahnefreak · « **Reply #19 on:** October 22, 2007, 06:40:16 PM »

wow, this is disgusting...Why are we making fun of our own military forces on here? People have died in wars to give us what we have today, so please find something else to make fun of. This is a racing forum, not a political one.

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JoeChance · « **Reply #20 on:** October 22, 2007, 06:45:30 PM »

Quote from: Kahnefreak on October 22, 2007, 06:40:16 PM

wow, this is disgusting...Why are we making fun of our own military forces on here? People have died in wars to give us what we have today, so please find something else to make fun of. This is a racing forum, not a political one.

No ones making fun of our troops . I have 3 family members in the service and a very good friend in Afghanistan . If anything i am poking fun at or our sorry politicians that under fund the services.

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Kahnefreak · « **Reply #21 on:** October 22, 2007, 06:46:22 PM »

well i apologize for saying that but like i said it's not a political forum either!

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hill3 · « **Reply #22 on:** October 22, 2007, 07:03:10 PM »

kahne it is not often me and joe are on the same side,but if you follow the whole thread the topic is about sponsorship and whether it is right for armed forces to Spenser a car or an event which does have alot to do with racing, unlike a pink cowboy hat i read about on here just kidding. on a personal note my uncle servered in Korea and in cypress so i too once again agree with joe that what is disgusting is putting our troops in harms way with out the proper equipment but i digress ,imnsho it is fine for the army etc to advertise on a car.

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Kahnefreak · « **Reply #23 on:** October 22, 2007, 07:54:52 PM »

well from what I read, the topic is not about sponsorship at all. It is about whether Villeneuve is buying Bill Davis racing. but the topic changes about half way down the first page.At least the pink cowboy hat in the banquet had something to do with the thread name!

Quote from: hill3 on October 22, 2007, 07:03:10 PM

kahne it is not often me and joe are on the same side,but if you follow the whole thread the topic is about sponsorship and whether it is right for armed forces to Spenser a car or an event which does have alot to do with racing, unlike a pink cowboy hat i read about on here just kidding. on a personal note my uncle servered in Korea and in cypress so i too once again agree with joe that what is disgusting is putting our troops in harms way with out the proper equipment but i digress ,imnsho it is fine for the army etc to advertise on a car.

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MID · « **Reply #24 on:** October 22, 2007, 08:28:44 PM »

Just so everyone understands... sponsorship is only a way of marketing. Marketing is a form of advertising, and Advertising is what fuels the interest of those that Sponsor.
Army, Navy, Airforce, Marines are in the game to advertise to the viewing audience that follows and supports the interest of their names and business. In short, the chance of recruiting the next Air Force pilot is not going to come from sponsoring a Tennis Match, but focus on the fast speed of a Stock Car race and chances are you will find your next TopGun pilot. That being said I would hope this makes marketing sense!!

As far as other company's getting into racing I can tell you the norm of Beer and Tobacco suppliers in the late 70's- early 80's were shocked when the name Tide came on the scene. Lets face it- what husband that follows racing(and don't call me chauvinistic girls)goes out and buys the laundry detergent.... 99% of none !!
But guess what- P&G saw that more women were going to races then ever before, so why not market to them.
In short- P&G ran one of the most successful advertising campains with the Tide name and set a whole new level of marketing in the racing advertising industry.

I for one don't agree with some sponsors that take from the general public and throw money around as if they have to much..... It is a very bad marketing program in the eye's of the everyday Joe and one that will make the general public say no too the next time they are asked to donate. As for the Tax implications and benefits... the only time you need these loop holes is when you have made to much money to start with..... so did we give to much in the first place ??

I understand that Drivers today that buy rides look bad in the eyes of fans, but lets face it- does anyone out there think that the race teams are sitting back with tons of money and a backyard view of Fort Knox. Racing costs money, and the money has to come from somewhere, so regardless of your passion for the sport, this step along the road of racing is going to have to happen unless race fans want to start paying for $1,000 tickets to replace this form of raising funds.
Saying that- I do not agree with the Drivers that have made the big bucks and still want more as they are right up there in my books with the overpaid stick and ball guys. Sadly this will never change and sadly we as a population always want more from our Employers, our Unions, our Educators and so on. It's a terrible cycle, but one that everyone of us are guilty of and we set the tone here at home long before the racers ever even had the chance to cash their checks.

As for Jacques- Jacks- Jaqcues- JackO... its great he was given the chance to compete in NASCAR, and yes we all know it came by means of bringing a huge Piggy Bank with him on his journey South, but he is no different then the thousands of drivers before him. Todays NASCAR Team contracts all read basically the same... Driver history, Birth Place, Please include your Visa or MasterCard number here....

Chances are that unless you can put it on the pole at Daytona with an average speed of 245MPH while smoking a cigarette, drinking a soda, and talking on the cell phone all at once, your not going to get the job as Racing's next big deal....If you cant run 100 yards in under 10 seconds, do the polka in the endzone and complete it by mooning the opposing crowd, the NFL doesn't want you either. As for Hockey, if you can punch-kick-swear-shoot-spit or smash... the NHL is willing to take a look at you. Thank God there is still a sport out there that is willing to give a little !!!

If the big V. has enough money to buy a protion of Davis, so be it... If he doesnt do it, someone will !!!

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hill3 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 22, 2007, 08:29:48 PM »

kahne too true too true forgive me and accept my humble apology,plus send a pic of you in the pink cowboy hat. good luck helping your dad out next year.ps good to see you back mid.

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Kahnefreak · « **Reply #26 on:** October 22, 2007, 10:40:18 PM »

actually i am not wearing a pink hat as were not allowed to wear hats where the banquet is being held. It's at an Army hall. But i totally have to agree to somebody's comments about buying into a cup ride. I truly hope that is not what is happening in Villeneuve's case. I hope he is getting the ride based on skill and not by buying into the organization. But then again Nascar is a business and money from any source is always going to be welcomed by team owners. It will be good to have a Canadian full time in Cup, but I feel Jacque needs more time behind the wheel of a full bodied stock car before moving into cup. Maybe a year in the truck series or Busch series would have been a better idea! It seems as though too many drivers these days are being thrown into a cup ride with limited experience. Whatever happened to the old days when a driver earned his way to a cup ride by proving himself in a truck or busch ride? I guess those days are gone and Nascar is becoming a more money structured business then ever before. If Jacque can sell a sponsorship then put him in the car.

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AutoAssembler · « **Reply #27 on:** October 23, 2007, 03:27:45 AM »

An update as to what is being stated on Jayski.

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UPDATE 3: Bill Davis said reports that he’s selling his High Point NASCAR team may be premature, but he won’t flat-out deny reports he may be selling part of his team to Jacques Villeneuve, perhaps a very significant part. Davis has signed Villeneuve to run his Toyotas next season on the Nextel Cup tour, as teammate with Dave Blaney. And Villeneuve is spending this fall running NASCAR Trucks, to warm up for 2008. Now comes word that there is much more to the Davis-Villeneuve deal than the two are letting on. Davis hedged when pressed on the situation. “We’re not in position to make any comment right now,” Davis said.(Winston Salem Journal)(10-22-2007)

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Thunder6 · « **Reply #28 on:** October 23, 2007, 06:01:48 AM »

If anyone here could bring 15 to 20 Million Dollars US to the table, you too could get your start in Cup...

Not fair but reality...

Jacques, or Jack as the English announcers used to call him, (sorry Silverstone, that's what it sounds like to me) can drive a race car... and he has certainly proven himself in CART-IRL machines and F1... Montoya did it, JV will do it.

Do I think it is good all of these open wheel drivers coming to N/C? No, but I didn't like the Europeans or the Russians coming to hockey either, but they came anyways...

This is the reality of today, N/C is very popular... and lots of money in it right now too.

Ron Fellows should have had a F/T car 10 years ago... it didn't happen and it won't happen now... too bad.

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GiddyG · « **Reply #29 on:** October 23, 2007, 06:12:38 AM »

Quote from: Kahnefreak on October 22, 2007, 10:40:18 PM

Maybe a year in the truck series or Busch series would have been a better idea! It seems as though too many drivers these days are being thrown into a cup ride with limited experience. Whatever happened to the old days when a driver earned his way to a cup ride by proving himself in a truck or busch ride? I guess those days are gone and Nascar is becoming a more money structured business then ever before. If Jacque can sell a sponsorship then put him in the car.

Is this Nascar's doing or the teams doing. You still have to qualify to get a starting spot in a Nascar race and we seen how hard that was for the Toyota teams this season. The way I see it, Villeneuve bought a ride with Bill Davis Racing. It was their choice to invest in a cup car, not Nascar. Its up to the team and Villeneuve to qualify against all the other teams wanting in too. What has Nascar done wrong except put oin a race series that maney will chase.

GG

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