Delaware mini stocks?/enduro B

[notingtolose]

I was driving along in my tow truck the other day an thought to myself....if delaware made the enduro B div into more of a mini stock div what would the rules be? So i got thinking(which is bad) and heres what i came up with.
4 cyl rules(fwd only) as follows
Min 105" wheelbase 110 max
Weights
Total 1lbs per cc with 8 val eng 2 lbs per cc 16 val motors 3 lbs per cc for dohc V-TEC and all varible valve timing motor depends on lap times!

MAX LS 54%
Max rear 40%

 15LBS break for stock windsheild

Camber.
Max 7 deg camber on rf&rr 10 deg lf&lr

Tires
D.o.t tires with tread wear rating min 200 no snows
Springs.

 No more then 50lbs spring rate dif from lft to rt ex lf 400lbs rf 450
Rear spring rule  same as frnt can be less o more then frnt

Sway bar must be stock aloud 5 in link dif rear bars maybe removed

Engines.
No bigger then 2.5L sohc and 2.4L dohc.

Heads
No port polishing. No more then .030 off head & .020 cyl over bore.
 Stock headers ok if applicable (must show stock number) cams maybe reground to another stock type cam of the same make and model.
Pistons must be stock for that type engine.
Max comp. 11.5 to 1
 
Intakes must be stock for yr make model cold air intakes ok solid mount throttle bodys on 1 1/2" spacer between intake and throttle body intakes where rubber hose seperates throttle body and intake solid tube ok to connect throttle body and intake at 10lbs r.s weight penalty


No aftermarket ecu's. Reflash is ok but must be done by approved dealers(lol) and must show bill before that days race

After market coils ok
Stock fuel injectors only

Solid motor mounts ok must be in stock location
Transmission.
Any transmission alowd aslong as all gears work

100 lbs weight break for auto . 30lbs min tourque converter weight
Tranny coolers must be mounted in frnt of rad and behind bumper cover

All cars must run open dif no lockers


 Stock appearing bodies no alluminum

Fuel pumps must be stock psi for yr make an model maybe external inline pump but must be in a steel box in truck with fire wall all lines must run underneath veichle.

Exhaust.

2 1/2 max O.D must exit 5" in frnt of lr tire and must be flush with rocker panels. No aftermarket headers

Mufflers.

1 cherry bomd(or similar type) stright throw circular muffler must be 25"long

Spoiler (lol) 3" high at 25 deg(still lol at that)


Thats all i got for now lol please add to the list all is open lol i hope delaware will read this and respond sooner then later



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[can_kev]

I think your weights are a little out to lunch. A 1.6L 16valve dohc can't possibly way 4800lbs. And some of the other rules are going to make this way to expensive for the average person to get started in.  Keep it simple. Stock stock stock. Add some camber and perhaps rated springs, but don't open the motors up.

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[notingtolose]

What do you think would be far? Im thinking 2500 would be? As for motors its hard whenEVERY mini stock div in ontario  can also there just rules to stop people from spending a ton

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[can_kev]

I like the weight rule 1.1lb/cc +200 lbs. penalties as follows. 100lbs sohc. 300lbs dohc, 100lbs headers. NO VTEC

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[notingtolose]

I like the 1.1lbs per cc i think plus 200lbs is abit much that would mean a neon with a 2.0l wkuld weigh 2600 if they had stock header i think sohc should be 50lb and 50 for header so with 100lbs weight pen would be 2500 and make dohc 250lbs

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[Dougy109]

Weights are off, but not a bad start. Big 'O' has the best weight rules I've seen so far. Only inclusion would be 100 pound penalty for VTEC/MIVEC/VVT cars. 250 for V6.... Keep tweaking until they are fair.

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[warmachine]

Fwd only is a big mistake, a beginner class needs to teach racers ow to race so why not teach them to race in rwd cars?


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[Dougy109]

FWD cars are abundant, and cheap. Mustangs are not hard to find, just not everyone wants to go that route. There is still setup, and driving to be learned in these cars. Faster than Bone Stock, and yet affordable stepping stone to other classes. I'm suprised the track hasn't done any announcements yet, as to what's possible for next year. Soon guys? Some people are getting itchy feet......

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[McQueenRacing]

Drivers meetings in Jan....Announcement very soon...Trucks are a go

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[Racer123]

Delaware had it perfect last year for the 4 cylinders. Completely stock bonestock or balls out invitationals and run what you brung. Most cheated class in Ontario, let people swap their big motors (or throw out their penalty weight) for a night and run the heck out of them. More & more cars will do this as it's already starting to be about bragging rights to go all in on a big track for them. I think there's potential for this to be a prestigious race for 4 cylinder invitationals.
Bonestock class is growing and I hope they keep in the stock spirit of things.
Don't change a thing.

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[notingtolose]

As i agree to a certain point the open ontario 4 cyls are awesome but what aboutthe guys that wanna wrench and set up there cars? There is no place for a 4 cyl at delly to do it. And if its became so prestiges to win an open ont 4 cyl race then they need to have a div where adjustments are ok. So those guys at delly can win and keep title at there home track. Right now its its 2 for varney and 2 for south buxton an 1 for petebourgh so i think its time a delaware car won

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[Dougy109]

Nobody wants Bone Stock to change, it's fine the way it is. It's a good starter class, and needs to stay that way. As for open four cylinder deal, that is what we as racers would like to see. Rear drive or front drive, have at it. The track is big enough for some good speeds, and competitive racing. The astigmatism, is that these guys will be slow, and dull to watch. I guarantee you, it won't be. Once guys get cars built, there will be loads of these. I know my son will stay in BStock, until he is ready to move up. I personally would build one, and not care where I finish. It would be a Friday class, I can enjoy with little cash injection.

Only reason I'm pushing so hard for it, is so I don't have to go an hour plus drive every week to race. That increases my cash output, huge. I have kids I want to get into racing, and it gives us something to look forward to weekly. Spectating just doesn't cut it, when you want to race.

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[streetstocker33]

Too many classes as it is.....bone stock is perfect if they enforce rules and keep the drivers from acting like retarded apes as theyve been known too do.....want something cheap to wrench on, get an enduro car, every class is only expensive as you make it, ive got less into my super stock than some guys list their mini stocks for sale at, and I know of some rockets in enduro that are pretty budget friendly.

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[Dougy109]

You make some good points, Sid.. But there is no budget Friday class. V8 Stock is not as budget minded, and we are the only track without Mini's. This puts us back on the map, for weekly collaborations with other tracks, at a cost effective level. So does V8 stock to a point. Our SS class is pretty much LLM, and Late Model was hurt by big engines, tire rules, and a few other issues. Trucks are stand alone runs as well, and will take a few years to rebuild. You will not be spreading the well too thin, as to amount of competitors to pull from. You will gain more. The old attitude at this track is what's going to kill it. Meanwhile, others will pull along forward, taking our guys who want to race. I've said it before, we do not have the people making 60K plus in the region like we used to. Give them some cost effective choices, and your numbers will grow.

You will not be taking from the higher classes, and there's loads of tracks running minor leagues same nights. If anything, it brings in new blood, and guys do move up. JAMR2 said it best, learn a thing or two from the dirt guys... they are kicking our a$$e$ in attendance, and cars at the back gate.

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[streetstocker33]

Im not Sid lol and no arguement will change my mind.....its another case of racers trying to escalate the deal theyre in instead of moving up.....its working for dirt because theyve done it for years and have a solid foundation.....the tracks being dumb and listening to drivers is when everything took a downturn

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