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Title: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Pinecrest on April 01, 2008, 08:42:00 AM
 An acquaintance that is building a Ford LLM engine in their shop recently told me . 95% of the cars i have ever been involved with have been GMs but i always admired the guys that tried something different . Anyone that has a pic of a non Chev stock car (not a mini stock) please post it here .

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 If their is a more successful non Chev stock car in Canada then Berrnie Reddick and Howie Scannell i don't know who they are .

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 Scannell must have really disliked Chevs as he went to this Ford next \

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Jim Ward no relation to the chassis builder had one the cleanest AMC race cars  i ever saw . Unfortunately it was slow .

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 Ted Musgrave ran this Mustang all over the country including Cayuga but it never worked very well .

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 Merrifield loved Dodges but he also had an a infinity for automatic transmissions for several years , they both held him back .

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 Harvey Walsh was a genius and years before people realized it was all power to weight he had figured it out . Harveys cars were light and fast . At the time the Ford guys were using the 312 boat anchor engine and Harvey went to the new 289 . Check out the small light weight tubing on the car many years before others realized that cars should not look like tanks .

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Bruce Vandyke was a great fabricator and a good driver . His cars were always fast .

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Jody Ridley had several fast Fords and was one of the cars you had to beat in the 70s

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Joy Fair only came north to Canada a few times a year . but he was one the the 3 best short trackers i ever saw in my life . Joy loved the Fords



 
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: mike32 on April 01, 2008, 01:19:50 PM
great photos-thanks for posting. I remember Joy Fair rebodied the Stang with a 4 Door Maverick body at one time-strange looking car, but I guess the body was free.
 Now we had to find pictures of Ed Howe's and Tom Refner's Javelins. Danny Knoll (Sr) and Jim Cushman's Dodges
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: duken on April 01, 2008, 01:22:01 PM
As a Ford Torino and Mustang owner I say thanks pc. It has always been a small group of us who stay loyal to the Blue Oval in local racing. With Micks and Ranger both having successful NCATS season last year , we had something to be proud of. Recent years saw Jason Shaw in the # 84 Mustang in Alstar and of course Jr Hanley in the Quaker State T Bird # 72. I still have a Quaker State hat that Jr gave me in the pits in Barrie in the mid 90's I think.
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: jcrashm2 on April 01, 2008, 02:15:41 PM
The last year Cayuga ran weekly Friday nights there was a Javelin #13 called the "Box Car", it was emerald green, gold and black, I think Terry Kitchen drove, i maybe wrong. That car had too start last every race and was leading in 3 or 4 laps. The most dominant car I saw in a class.
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: mike32 on April 01, 2008, 02:21:27 PM
crash-I think the Javelin was actually a Delaware street stock owned by Ron Box. I think the slm Kitchen drove for him was a firebird
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: jcrashm2 on April 01, 2008, 03:06:13 PM
I was looking thru my archives for a pic out of the old program, but it must be in the garage with 4 containers of old "Stock Car" Magazines.
Looking in my basement I did come across my old 1987 rule book that Barrie and Varney shared, which i thought was funny now. Other programs from the 80's of non chevies winning.... "The Great Lipskie" and Andy Schmidt...Nov. 85 Circle Track mag cover features Junior Hanley ASA T- Bird at Oswego...and other mag with Hooters Super t-bird of Alan "special K" Kiwicki. Plus u could mention a number ford hobby drivers.
My first stock car in 78 was a 1967 Comet 302 automatic I paid $150. for. Had no clue, just wanted to race. The cage was made of 2 1/2 inch pipe, car weighed a ton, me and the other ford racing, a 67 galaxie, fought for last every week, i tried to keep count of how many times don thomson jr. would lap me, one night i could hear voices and then music....here they didnt even pull out the radio, just sheet metalled over it....made for a good few weeks of kidding..."Hey, are u the guy listening to the radio racing?"
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: jcrashm2 on April 01, 2008, 03:17:06 PM
and that #75 looks like the dodge street stock dirt car for sale on kijiji.ca now.
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Thunder6 on April 01, 2008, 04:47:29 PM
I thought you were saying you knew where there was a Chrysler Kit Car Dart for sale...

I'd be all over that. I'd be more likely to win the 6/49 first.

Then I went up and looked at the #75 car, it's a Phord.

Oh well  :-[
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Pinecrest on April 01, 2008, 04:49:33 PM
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z95/Pinecrest1/19731RuttmanfilledinforinjuredJoyFa.jpg)
Speaking of Joys Marverick here it is , i think this is at Flat Rock . Joe Ruttman drove it this night because Joy was injured .

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Hanleys Mustamaro or Camarostang or what ever you want to call it at Nashville .

 (http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z95/Pinecrest1/earnhardtkitcar-vi.jpg)
 Dale Earnhardt in a Chrysler kit car at Metrolina
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Pinecrest on April 01, 2008, 05:09:42 PM
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z95/Pinecrest1/197425LarryDetjensMt-vi.jpg)
  Larry Detjens  Dodge Challanger at Mt Clements . I dont think this was a kit car but it was really fast.

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 Kevin Lepages Fairmont that he ran on the ACT Tour in the early 80s

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 Bob Bruce ran this Valliant at Barrie in the early 70s
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Thunder6 on April 01, 2008, 05:24:40 PM
Pine, it could be a Kit Car, they made Challengers (not very many of these, Earnhardt Sr drove one for a bit for Petty Enterprises when they were developing the package), Dusters, Darts, Dart Sports...

One of the Thunder Car drivers at Barrie runs a true Chrysler product, it is a Magnum nose on a Diplomat (IIRC)with a pretty stout 340. Darcy Gribbon, the red #25.

I would love to run a straight torsion bar Mopar, but good luck finding one today that isn't totally rotten or worth big money. The "J" bar later Mopars aren't as good for Stock Cars IMHO.
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: SpencerLewis on April 01, 2008, 05:36:33 PM
that #25 challenger is an awesome looking car...
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Pinecrest on April 01, 2008, 06:01:11 PM
 Thunder6 i have seen Kit Cars skinned in all the different bodies but several people built their own version and i think Larry Detjens was their own design . There was one owned by a Garage in Burlington i think their name was Hall and Smith that was Electric Lime Green and i think it was # 16 that ran at Flamboro . They had several drivers in it including Terry Kitchen but they could never get the thing to stop pushing.
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Kahnefreak on April 01, 2008, 06:24:49 PM
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my uncle Laurie Melson drove this Ford in Barrie either in 1972 or 73'

dad also drove a dodge a year or 2 can't find pics though
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Thunder6 on April 01, 2008, 06:56:14 PM
I remember seeing those pics that was a Charger that kinda looked like Richard Petty's old Dodges in the 70's, red and blue...
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Thayne on April 01, 2008, 07:00:08 PM
Ford for life...Darcy's car is nice too...he is getting another car together and might be switching off at mid-season...
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: SpencerLewis on April 01, 2008, 07:04:06 PM
that dodge that darcy has is very cool

is he selling the old one when he switches?
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: beedub on April 01, 2008, 07:19:59 PM
And....let's not forget the #84 Thunderbird that Ken Weisbrod is currently running at Sunset and occasionally at Kawartha.  New T-bird is nearing completion.
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Pinecrest on April 01, 2008, 07:37:04 PM
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z95/Pinecrest1/197499TrickleToledo-vi.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z95/Pinecrest1/1977TrickleMustang-vi-1.jpg)
 Dick Trickle and just a couple of his many Mustangs

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 I think this is one of Charlie Glotzbachs ARCA cars

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 A Ford Pinto Modified with a big block and the longest hood i have ever seen .

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 Brett Bodines Fairlane

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 Billy Res Falcon . You have to love the torch cut fender wells and the nice joints on the roll cage . I bet it had a big block in it .
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Pinecrest on April 01, 2008, 07:58:27 PM
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z95/Pinecrest1/latemodel1-vi-1.jpg)

 1965 at the CNE . The 60 car of Rick Spence was a 1958 Dodge Saratoga (i think) and one of my favorites when i was a kid , i loved those big tail fins . In this pic he leads the Chev of Ray Gulison (68) and thats Jim Hallihan (33) in his usual position in a Studabaker  .
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Thayne on April 01, 2008, 08:52:37 PM
that dodge that darcy has is very cool

is he selling the old one when he switches?

ummm I don't think so...my dad asked him...cause we were considering buying it but he said he was prolly keeping it.
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: oldbill on April 01, 2008, 09:14:06 PM
Cool pictures.

Pinecrest - the picture on page 1 is actually Bill Walsh. Harvey Walsh, his son, also raced in the late '60's and 70's and still races TQ Midgets.
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: SpencerLewis on April 01, 2008, 09:26:54 PM
the mustang that got sent home from the snowball derby, why was it deemed illegal?
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: mike32 on April 01, 2008, 09:58:01 PM
rumours used to have Joe using Nitrous Oxide, but I never know if he was officially caught or not?
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: mike32 on April 01, 2008, 10:22:44 PM
I remember that too Statsman-I think the car Joe was using was a Camaro which he sold to Lawler or Dutch Deboer, correct?
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: ministock19 on April 01, 2008, 11:28:21 PM
This is a great thread,thanks to all who have contributed  ;D
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: jcrashm2 on April 01, 2008, 11:29:06 PM
Me bad...I thought that #75 was a 73 charger like one for sale on kijiji now...lol.
And that sweet looking challenger reminds me of the one Ralph Book's son brought out at Flamboro only a few years back....broke the torsion bar somehow, the right side was leaning over, sparks everywhere in the turns, but still nursed it the last 4 laps to finish 3rd in the feature.

i looked thru my basement but couldnt find programs with box javelin, must be in the 4 containers in my garage of "Stock Car" magazines and other programs.
Did find pics of non-chevie winners "the Great Lipskie" and Andy Schimdt, Juniors ASA T bird at Oswego made the cover of "Circle Track" Nov.85, Alan "special K" Kiwicki's Hooters Super T Bird and I found my Barrie/Varney rule book from 1987 which I forgot they were trying to partner up back then.
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: blkflagagain on April 01, 2008, 11:32:44 PM
This should be in driver hall of fame !!! No???
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Pinecrest on April 02, 2008, 05:03:54 AM
This should be in driver hall of fame !!! No???
I didn't really know what to post this under when i started it since it was random cars and drivers from the US and Canada . Evan can move it to where ever he thinks its appropriate or leave it here .
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Pinecrest on April 02, 2008, 05:08:13 AM
Cool pictures.

Pinecrest - the picture on page 1 is actually Bill Walsh. Harvey Walsh, his son, also raced in the late '60's and 70's and still races TQ Midgets.

  Your absolutely right Bill and thank you for correcting me . I should know better since My dad and Bill were friends .
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Pinecrest on April 02, 2008, 07:05:19 AM
 With out posting endless pictures of Gremlin bodied Modifieds i did think there was a few very cool non Chevs that merrit being on here .

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 Geoff Bodines Valliant pictured here at Trenton was a rocket and the car that made him famous .

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 Unknown Western NY Valliant modified , i always thought they looked great on a race car.

 (http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z95/Pinecrest1/2065391740090944223S500x500Q85.jpg)
 A very unique Hemi powered 66 Cuda dirt mod

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 Dave Kniesels Pacer Modified was very fast , and one of only two Pacer race cars that i ever saw.

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 Kenny Weld said this was a Lincoln which is debateable but their is no debate that it changed dirt modified racing forever .
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: mike32 on April 02, 2008, 09:37:07 AM
I was looking at that Lincoln a few years back at the DIRT museum in Weedsport (I think it may have been sold to someone in the Albany area since then) and the car was called the Orgasmatron (painted on the hood). If there are any Woody Allen fans out there, they might remember that the Orgasmatron was the machine (featured in the futuristic movie "Sleeper") and was used as a sex substitute in the 22nd century. I think that movie came out the same year the car ran at Syracuse.
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: oldbill on April 02, 2008, 11:54:09 AM
Cool pictures.

Pinecrest - the picture on page 1 is actually Bill Walsh. Harvey Walsh, his son, also raced in the late '60's and 70's and still races TQ Midgets.

  Your absolutely right Bill and thank you for correcting me . I should know better since My dad and Bill were friends .

My first exposure to Stock Car racing (as a very young child of course) was watching Bill & Harvey race @ Flamboro in the late 60's. Since I was from Brantford, I cheered for them!
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: AutoAssembler on April 02, 2008, 11:49:50 PM
Geez, I remember those old days.  :-[

I used to cheer for Bruce Van Dyke (I was a Ford fan even back then)  ;)

I remember Howie racing that car as well, it had a sound all of it's own! Seems to me before he started racing the #75 Mustang, didn't he race a #99 Duster or a Dart painted up just like the Super Bee. I don't think he had it that long???
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Pinecrest on April 02, 2008, 11:58:51 PM
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z95/Pinecrest1/1973PinecrestSpeedway99Scannell-vi.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z95/Pinecrest1/scannell-vi.jpg)

 These are from 73 at Pinecrest . Yes he had a Dart but it had a very short life as he totaled it at Flamboro . I will see if i can find a pic of it .
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Silverstone on April 03, 2008, 09:37:56 PM
Well, there is ONE other VW late model that i have heard of!!

(http://myfilmo.com/pictures/albums/Herbie_Fully_Loaded_film/herbie_fully_loaded_wallpaper.jpg)

With a woman driver to boot! LOL

All joking aside, this is a great thread, and thankyou Statsman and Pinecrest for sharing these pics with us all!!
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Thunder6 on April 03, 2008, 09:41:27 PM
mmm Lindsay Lohan.

I think that was a Nextel Cup car there Silverstone...  ;D
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Pinecrest on April 04, 2008, 12:56:50 AM
 Great to see that pic of Ramplings 1965 Plymouth , and yes it was a very big deal to have a brand new car at the EX . The car was painted sort of a Candy Apple blue metallic and it was as shiny as a new dime . On the down side Lelliot and Cook would lap it a couple of times in every feature .
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Pinecrest on April 04, 2008, 01:02:03 AM
 Statman since i loved your pic of the Vanguard bodied car i just had to post a pic of a Crossley dirt mod  , driver unknown but probally gassed by the exhaust system on it .
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z95/Pinecrest1/Stantoncrosley-vi.jpg)
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Thunder6 on April 04, 2008, 01:09:46 AM
That car looks like it was a survivor from the "Mad Max" movie.  ;D

I thought 1500 hp Can-Am cars were scary and dangerous.

I was so horribly wrong.
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Thunder6 on April 04, 2008, 04:04:38 AM
I found that old Dodge Charger dirt car on Kiiji.

Not too much left there I think.

There was a A-body Dart Street Stock on EvilBay a while ago, but they wanted like $10,000 for it.

I love Mopars but I won't pay crazy money to race them.
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: mike32 on April 04, 2008, 11:03:39 AM
there is also a picture of Rampling's 69 Plymouth in John Bisci's book "Lancaster Heroes". One question re the Reddick/Scannell Dodges. Did they actually try to run a unibody car as an experiment (instead of full frame)? Also I believe one of the super bees may have been sold to Milton's Jim Plant (#98?).
 Previously mentioned also was that slime green cuda (#89?) out of the Lorne Wise Garage in Burlington which had a lot of different drivers, including Cookie at Cayuga . Man, late models were diverse in those days. Besides the #75 mustang, Ken Stewart (of Lin-Ken Engineering fame) also had a couple of full size Torinos built to Nascar LM Sportsman specs and also seemed to have a lot of different drivers (Hollis, Hudson, Goodale, etc) . (Still looking for a picture of Pete Bennett's Studebaker)
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Pinecrest on April 04, 2008, 11:19:51 AM
 Thats who i was trying to think of Lorne Wise . They also had a Slime Green Dodge Charger.
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: mike32 on April 04, 2008, 12:54:59 PM
thanks for the Link to Bisci's website. I've been talking to Kenny Troyer (Maynard's son) via the RaceNY website re one of his dad's fast Ford Falcon Modifieds making it to Canada. If I remember correctly, in the fall of 1971, Burlington's Ken Andrews, a reknown supermodified pilot, ran an ex Troyer Falcon at Stoney Creek's Speedway Park. The track late models at that time were the heavy, centred seating, 305 ci Lancaster type cars, so the local late models as we knew them (once Cayuga was finished for the season) had to run as modifieds! I recollect Pete Hudson running Ken Stewart's #75 1963 Fairlaine with the mods.
 Anywho, does anyone know if Andrews preserved that Falcon bodied modified and if there are any photo around of the car "back in the day"?
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Pinecrest on April 04, 2008, 02:32:07 PM
 Here it is with fenders
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z95/Pinecrest1/9-22-05T51968-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Pinecrest on April 04, 2008, 02:35:44 PM
 Heres his Late Model from 1966
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z95/Pinecrest1/66lancaster.jpg)
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Pinecrest on April 04, 2008, 02:40:06 PM
 Heres the Falcon with out fenders at Pocono
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z95/Pinecrest1/89640.jpg)
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: mike32 on April 04, 2008, 02:49:52 PM
thanks-I think it was one of the lower slung later Falcons that Andrews bought from Troyer (like in the last photo). Ken Andrews still has a machine shop on Industrial Drive in Burlington (although he no longer advertises so perhaps he's semi-retired). Maybe it's time to do a little exploring.
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: AutoAssembler on April 05, 2008, 06:45:06 PM
I vaguely remember the car as well. I remember he had it up to Flamboro, if we're talking about the same car, it was brand new then he took it to Mosport and that was the end of it???
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Pinecrest on April 05, 2008, 07:12:38 PM
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z95/Pinecrest1/1972cayuga.jpg)
Heres a little nicer picture of Scannells car in 72 at Cayuga
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Pinecrest on April 05, 2008, 07:16:42 PM
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z95/Pinecrest1/1968Bodine63plymchemung.jpg)
One of Geoff Bodines first cars a 1963 Plymouth pictured here in 1968 at Chemung .
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Pinecrest on April 05, 2008, 07:21:13 PM
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z95/Pinecrest1/triehler1965.jpg)
 Triechlers Falcons were legendary his Rambler wasn't this is from 1965
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Pinecrest on April 05, 2008, 07:25:17 PM
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z95/Pinecrest1/randyslack1973.jpg)

 I didnt want a bunch of mini stocks on here but this one is classic . Randy Slacks Datsun in 1972
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Pinecrest on April 05, 2008, 07:35:08 PM
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z95/Pinecrest1/brettbodinshangrila1970.jpg)
Brett Bodine at Shangri-la in 1970  I think thats a 1965 Plymouth .
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Pinecrest on April 05, 2008, 10:48:39 PM
 statman i have thought about this for awhile and i think you have it right and heres why.  If you look at the pic i posted you will notice the right front wheel is a  light weight bolt together magnesium rim and if you look the final pic you posted it also has the light weight bolt together magnesium rims i am pretty sure they banned those rims for the 1973 season which would explain why the car with the stripes on the back has steel wheels .

 I know the colour pic i posted has a gold painted steel wheel on the right rear but that was not unusual since nobody had to may sets of the magnesium rims because they were so pricey and they would break when somebody got into them . I am not positive but i think i am right about this .

 I really cant really remember when and how the stripes where on Scannells car because being with an opposing team we were working on rubbing those things off that Dodge most nights, again i think my rim theory is correct.
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Pinecrest on April 05, 2008, 11:12:38 PM
 Maybe this will help if you cross reference the other cars to Scannells .
Boos #9 MaKarra #42 Lelliot #57 Setterington #54

 Notice Scannell was running that flouresent orange wing at the time.
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z95/Pinecrest1/91648.jpg)
 
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: mike32 on April 05, 2008, 11:14:12 PM
re the Camaro Kitchen destroyed at Mosport. Was it owned by a car dealer from Hamilton named Yates (Ross Yates) or something like that?
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: oldbill on April 06, 2008, 12:36:07 AM
The Sublime Lorne Wise Garage Barracuda at Flamboro with a bevy of drivers winning and no one named crashing ;).


(http://images35.fotki.com/v1153/photos/5/58484/1809841/rneWiseGarageFlamboroWreck1970-vi.jpg)

I recall this crash on the backstretch at Flamboro as one of the most violent that I've seen. If my memory is correct, Terry Kitchen was driving.
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Pinecrest on April 06, 2008, 09:29:10 AM
After a good nights sleep and thinking about this further i realized the flaw in my "magnesium wheel" theory. Not all tracks banned them at the same time . Places like Pinecrest banned them a year a head of places like Flamboro as i recall now . Tire size had reached its widest during this period 17.50 then we went to 15.50 and then 12.50 all in 3 or 4 years , again all tracks did it on a different time table .
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Pinecrest on April 06, 2008, 11:35:19 AM
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z95/Pinecrest1/102462.jpg)

A little O/T but these sure were not Chev's . HideAway Speedway 1968.  The TQs were always fun and you had to be brave to run with out a cage
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Pinecrest on April 06, 2008, 03:37:02 PM
 Among the strangest body styles the modifieds used besides a Pacer was a VW Rabbit like this car of Nick Nields
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z95/Pinecrest1/ricknieldVWRabbit.jpg)
Title: Re: Its better then a Chev
Post by: Pinecrest on April 06, 2008, 03:40:06 PM
 The early Modifieds were really modified . How about a 430 Lincoln engine in a 39 Plymouth .

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Post by: Pinecrest on April 06, 2008, 03:45:46 PM
 Back in the day they did let wagons run at some short tracks , this Ford looks pretty cool .
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Post by: flybyya8 on April 06, 2008, 10:54:05 PM
 Pinecrest, wasnt there some story about Mcllroy and Biederman in some big mess one night? Thought I once heard a story about it?
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Post by: Pinecrest on April 07, 2008, 04:50:40 AM
Pinecrest, wasnt there some story about Mcllroy and Biederman in some big mess one night? Thought I once heard a story about it?
  I am not familiar with any Mcllroy and Biederman stories perhaps Statsman is .

 However ______ and Biederman in some big mess one night stories would fill many pages of a thread . With out going into depth among my favorites would be the night Biederman jumped on the trunk of Jerry Makaras car after an on track altercation and Makara took off driving at speed with Biederman spread eagle on the trunk all the way around the track . The time Hanley and Biederman got into a fight and Junior almost bit off Dons ear , which is why Biederman always referred to Junior as "'Mad Dog" would be among the top .
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Post by: latemodel28 on April 07, 2008, 05:03:08 AM
Back in the day they did let wagons run at some short tracks , this Ford looks pretty cool .
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Hey Pinecrest what track is that in the picture?
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Post by: ELP441 on April 07, 2008, 05:49:38 AM
On the back of the car is Pikes Peak Raceway so maybe there? I have a few pics I took, specifically of Slack's Mustang from 80 just don't know how to post them here lol.
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Post by: duken on April 07, 2008, 03:54:09 PM
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 Triechlers Falcons were legendary his Rambler wasn't this is from 1965
Isn't the pictured car a Studebaker Lark ?  This model would have been built at the Hamilton plant. I have a vague memory of a guy running one like this at Pinecrest in the summer of 66 ? I was only 10 then so hard to recall if it was that track for sure . My dad drove a Studey back then and I do remember cheering the guy on the track but he didn't do so well. It may have been Barrie ? 
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Post by: Pinecrest on April 07, 2008, 04:13:29 PM
 Duken i will have to defer to the knowledge of yours and others when it comes to Studebaker's and Ramblers as mine is very limited . What year did Studebaker morph into Rambler AMC ? The only driver i remember being successful with a Studebaker in Ontario was Jerry Reevers who had one the same as this one.
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Post by: Pinecrest on April 07, 2008, 04:24:10 PM
latemodel28 the picture of the Ford wagon race car was posted on a Vintage racing forum i go on by another member there . He did say his father raced it around Colarado (as ELP441 noticed) in the mid 60s but did not say what track it specifically was . The only track i recall seeing a wagon race at in Ontario was South Shore Speedway .
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Post by: LM18Fan on April 07, 2008, 06:03:24 PM
I remember McIlory's Mustang that he drove for McGlynn (I believe it was McGlynn's car).  That Mustang was incredibly fast in the early 80's at Sauble.  It was finally replaced with a Grenada I believe and honestly don't think it was ever a factor again.

At the same time at Sauble Andy Schmidt was running "Granny" his old Cougar, mad horsepower and no handle.  It was fun to watch it run though.  At the same time, Ron Lipskie had left Flamboro for Sauble, picked up Rutherfords signs and had a real nice Thunderbird.

Andy, Ron and a host of others put on great shows at Sauble back then.

Jake Shaw's ford creations over the years have always been beauties...and fast.

Shocked that no one has thrown up a picture of Bob Senneker's ASA cars.  Weren't they all Fords?
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Post by: flybyya8 on April 07, 2008, 06:12:27 PM
Thanks Statsman, thats the one.
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Post by: Pinecrest on April 07, 2008, 09:35:56 PM
 Studebaker monday continues.
 NASCAR had quite a few but they were before my day . Here George Parrish runs 9th at Richmond in his Stude . I wonder if that chair was for the starter to sit on during the race ?
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 1957 Darlington 500 George Parrish crashes with Bobby Myers (not in pic) Myers died from his injuries and Parrish decides to retire .
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Post by: mike32 on April 08, 2008, 07:55:54 AM
THANKS Guys-great scanning work. Yep Statsman, that's Bennett's Lark. Wish my wife hadn't made me throw out my old Wheelspins (rec room was getting condemned by the fire marshall)
 Re Clark's trashing of the challenger. After that, he ended up borrowing one of Dick Flaig's #33 Camaros to finish out the season (mainly at Holland and Perry) and unfortunately, I don't think he went back to Mopar after that.
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Post by: Pinecrest on April 08, 2008, 07:01:17 PM
 Jerry Makara in the nicest Dodge Aspen you have ever seen . Here  he is in the 1982 Mid-Ohio Kelly American Challenge . I think this was a Peerless Manufacturing car
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Post by: Thunder6 on April 08, 2008, 07:09:08 PM
The front licence plate area on Makara's Aspen says "Rod Shop". If they built that car it would be very slick. They built some of Dick Landy's A-Body drag cars in about '73 or so and they were something else. Come to think of it those cars had some severe nose droop like this one does too.  ;D

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Post by: dodgeguy14 on April 09, 2008, 06:41:18 AM
Jerry Makara in the nicest Dodge Aspen you have ever seen . Here  he is in the 1982 Mid-Ohio Kelly American Challenge . I think this was a Peerless Manufacturing car
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Pine, Although mine turned like a dragster, i think it was definately easier to look at then this thing! lol
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Post by: Pinecrest on April 10, 2008, 05:03:02 AM
 Dodgeguy i never really looked at your car too closely until you sold it to its present owner . It is a nicely built car although a little dated . Looking at the front end i saw a few things that could have been done to take some of the dump truck push it must of had , out of it . Admittedly some of the improvements would have been fudging the rules a bit , but that should never impede a real racer   ;) .

 The pic of Makaras car really doesn't do it justice but believe me when i tell you it was immaculate .
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Post by: special k on April 19, 2008, 11:49:43 PM
Pinecrest Do you have any more pics of the CNE or Pinecrest my dad raced at them back in the day and we only have a couple of pics. His # was 91 and his name is Julius Kovacs. The nicest looking car he ran was a 57 Chev sposored by Thompson sheet metal and worked on by  John Stephenson and R. Armstrong. They were all Brantford area guys. I think they called it a class C supermodified but it basically looks like a late model. Any pics or info would be appreciated.
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Post by: ELP441 on May 20, 2008, 11:02:19 PM
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Dennis Robertson's AMC at Cayuga late 70's

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Don Gregory Cayuga mid to late 70's

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Post by: ELP441 on May 20, 2008, 11:04:30 PM
Randy Slack Flamboro Aug 80
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Post by: smokinjoe00 on May 21, 2008, 08:17:43 AM
i remember watching as a kid randy with that car when he came to sauble...........he won his share...
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Post by: Thunder6 on May 21, 2008, 11:04:51 PM
Awesome work Rod, your attention to detail with these models is unreal!
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Post by: ELP441 on May 21, 2008, 11:07:07 PM
Rod, I remember very well the Cutlass that Randy drove - thought it was an odd car to be racing but hey, he made it work from what I recall. Excellent job on the model I must say too. Maybe you should be sending the pics of it to Ryan Hunsinger so he can show his uncle them, I'm sure he would love to see them. I think I sent him my pics of the Mustang to forward on to Randy, not sure so next time I'm at Ohsweken I will show Ryan the original pics.

I used to have a pic or 2 of Paul Hebert from Shediac N.B. who ran for years at Riverglade & Petty Speedways outside Moncton in his Dodge Duster & in a Chrysler LeBaron in later years - I have program scans of the LeBaron I believe, just have to check through my pics is all. A few of the drivers down that way raced nothing but Dodges for years such as Paul & Jim MacPherson - again, I'll have to go through my pics (scanned & unscanned ones) & see if I have any of them. I'm pretty sure I have program scans, just have to take the time to look for them.

Most of the pics I have on my photobucket site are from recent years as I haven't scanned a lot in a while due to spending time at the track taking pics - too much to do & so little time to spare these days! LOL!!

Cheers!
Ernie
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Post by: hogg on May 27, 2008, 02:33:14 PM
i remember Mcllroy at Sauble. Always cheered for him 'cause we loved that mustang . I was at a big race at Sauble as a small kid where it was standing room only and there was no wall on the far end of the track, just a bank. People were standing up there past the end of the fence on turn 1 and some got ran over, can't remember if any were killed, but it was bad. It seemed like forever for an ambulance to come from Owen Sound. After that, they wouldn't start without an ambulance present.

2 other names i remember were Danny Kotiuk who always seemed to be "dirt tracking" it and Merv Keller (killed racing snowmobiles i think). Also Jim Lipskie. Was he maybe the announcer?

I would love to see pics of cars from the Model T and Jackpot speedways in Williamsford. I seem to remember a slant six valiant winning lots of races there. I think I was 7 or 8 when they closed down but have never seen any photos from there
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Post by: al on June 03, 2008, 08:35:02 PM
i think harold lawrence had a dodge kit car duster with 426 in the late 70,s could buy from mopar as kit and ran at flamboro,yeah liked the mustangs,that Randy Slack and Wayne Gummerson ran also at cayuga and flamboro