15TH ANNUAL AUTUMN COLOURS CLASSIC

[Justme]

Mr chance I would like a reply to my earlier post to kinow if your man enough to show up or not!!!

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[JoeChance]

Lots of pig iron does not equal safety . Back in the day when late models could run big or small blocks cars varied by as much as a 1000 lbs . I have seen Kahnefreaks car and i can build a 2000 lb car that is much safer . My guess is that the Melsons think a crush zone is a place that sells orange pop.

Now this is the old man seeing as you wanna metion the Melson's, And my friend I take offence, I have probably built more cars than you've ever drivin, and if you wanna bash the car you might as well add Dwayne Baker to the list as well cause he helped build it too, seeing as how your the man and would  like to point out how badly we built the car, Just show up at our pit stall sat night and identify youself

  Mr Melson i was not bashing your car , i stated i could and i have built cars far lighter and safer that is not to say your car is unsafe. I do not know how many cars you have built or help build but i would estimate i have been involved in constructing some where between 25 to 30 over the years. I am hoping to be at Barrie this weekend and if i make it there i will come over and introduce myself.

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[hill3]

yeah ask breck and moore how safe they felt. also i have seen what a dp does to a gt car. to use grand am irl or any pro series wrt a safety discussion at the local level is assinine. i do not wish to get into a pissing match with you i am done. k-freak saw your web site that front end hit was hard you and your father hold your head up. i was not bashing your car in the earlier post i just feel the cars on the track at the same time should be close in weight for safety. lastly i watched my fav driver hit the wall and die as did millions in a safe car built by pros. every single person who straps in should do so with a sa helmut full face, a hans a full racing seat, newer belts and fire suit with a cage built as safe as possible

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[Kahnefreak]

yes it was a pretty rough hit! my dad last year took a good straight in the wall to a dead stop with my car last year! same car and it is a great car. looks like it first did when it came out to the track! As for Mr JoeChance..please give my dad the benifit of the doubt when it comes to safety! he built it for me and would rather it be safe! I understand that cars should weigh close to the same because of a heavier car hitting a light car! Was also wondering if you had anything against me? I was a little chirpy in previous years but have changed my act as i wasn't having any fun with an attitude. Please if you know me for my previous attitude i suggest that you don't hold me to that personality type anymore as I have matured and am doing great every week at the track and many, many people have seen the adjustment and have commended me on numerous occasions.

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[JoeChance]

 Something i would like to point out is that having a car that is built like a tank or is able to be raced again after a big wreck is not the measure of a safe car . To those of you that saw the wreck that killed Dale Earnhardt the car showed very little damage considering the impact it took . NASCAR realized that the cars had become so rigid and virtually had no crush zones that the impact was directly transfered to the driver, hence the COT was born . Sometimes the car that is junk after a big crash is the safer car .

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[Kahnefreak]

yes i understand that a tank is not necessarily safe. But all the welds are complete. i have a front and rear hoop both tied into the cage as most 4 cylinder front hoops are tied to the strut towers causing major damage on impact. i have all a safe car! I feel safe and i have more bars in my car then minimum. I know there is still the possibility of getting hurt, but with a properly built car with nothing Mickey Moused on it potential danger is much less! The only reason I hurt myself in the big wreck was cause i got some major whiplash and pulled some neck and shoulder muscles. Had I have been wearing a neck restraint or brace like I wear now I would not have been injured!

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[hill3]

k freak what kind of brace do you wear if you dont mind me asking. jc two things killed dale sr imnsho a restictor plate and a hard head ,his, note seat position and belt routing and this was after it was suggested he change.

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[Kahnefreak]

i just wear one of those donut like things that stabilizes your head if in a collision! that way i won't get whip lash! it works great and is fairly cheap! I would prefer something better but I am borrowing it from Thunder6 and don't have the money for something else. I would like my dad to get a good head and neck restraint for next year cause he is brittle and i don't want him getting hurt because he is always in pain as it is from his back and legs. But my dad should be a contender next year that's for sure! He might go to fall colours....but i'll have to stay behind as my better half and I are going for thanksgiving dinner.

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[Silverstone]

Something i would like to point out is that having a car that is built like a tank or is able to be raced again after a big wreck is not the measure of a safe car . To those of you that saw the wreck that killed Dale Earnhardt the car showed very little damage considering the impact it took . NASCAR realized that the cars had become so rigid and virtually had no crush zones that the impact was directly transfered to the driver, hence the COT was born . Sometimes the car that is junk after a big crash is the safer car .

I think that with or without "crush zones," I would rather crash into the wall at 35-40mph in Kahnefreaks car, than at 210mph in a C.O.T. at the speeds that pure stocks go, you dont need the crush zones that you need in other types of racing, if a well built "tank"  absorbs just a bit of the impact, it is safe. I just think Joe Chance likes to stir the pot. If he wants to spend his week rebuilding bent racecars, thats his buisness!

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[Kahnefreak]

I agree Silverstone! it would be interesting to see how fast my car does going into turn 3 as i don't have a spedometer! i think i'd hit about 105 km or so! i think some of the "A" division cars are hitting 110. but still at those speeds a concrete walla can hurt!

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[hill3]

x-mas is coming and there are some affordable head n neck units out there . still think the hans is best but any of the others are good also at about half the cost. the hans cost me 1150 dollars but as my wife says " how much is it worth to be able to wipe your own arse" .

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[Silverstone]

What she means is she'd pay 1150 bucks for her not to have to! lol

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[Kahnefreak]

yes i see your point. Safety is a huge concern when it comes to racing and the extra money should be spent to keep you safe in case of disaster.!

But anyways I think we should leave this thread alone now as it was intended to be about autmn colours....lol..

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[hill3]

well leaves were at one time used as toilet paper so it kind of fits............?

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[JoeChance]

Something i would like to point out is that having a car that is built like a tank or is able to be raced again after a big wreck is not the measure of a safe car . To those of you that saw the wreck that killed Dale Earnhardt the car showed very little damage considering the impact it took . NASCAR realized that the cars had become so rigid and virtually had no crush zones that the impact was directly transfered to the driver, hence the COT was born . Sometimes the car that is junk after a big crash is the safer car .

I think that with or without "crush zones," I would rather crash into the wall at 35-40mph in Kahnefreaks car, than at 210mph in a C.O.T. at the speeds that pure stocks go, you dont need the crush zones that you need in other types of racing, if a well built "tank"  absorbs just a bit of the impact, it is safe. I just think Joe Chance likes to stir the pot. If he wants to spend his week rebuilding bent racecars, at least it keeps him off of here!

  Your street car has crush zones designed in it why would you not build your race car at lest as well as your grocery getter ? This is not rocket science and can be as simple as using square tubing instead of round in certain places since square tubing is almost 15 % less rigid. It is far better to decide where you would like the car to bend in a wreck rather then leaving it up to chance.

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