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Offline JAMR

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Re: The future of Super Stock
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2010, 10:35:04 PM »
There are a couple of tracks out west where they have gone to cutting the bodies off older rear wheel drive chassis and mounting newer stock steel front wheel drive bodies on them for there SS class. Not to many really good options for the low buck guy.

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Re: The future of Super Stock
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« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2010, 10:41:41 PM »
The bodies look great but the cost would diminish the car count. Like Wernham says not many ss teams could afford this expense. From what I understand there is fiberglass fenders available for the nova/ventura style cars. We already have the fiberglass front spoiler. Doors are fairly easy to fabricate and rear quarters are available at a reasonable cost. I agree with Shadow about the uniuqeness? of our division. I would rather see us left as is. The ss division is one of the strongest as far as car count goes and one of the most competitve in ontario in my opinion, which is a little biased of course.
and with tracks that all have different rules!! :o :o :o

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Re: The future of Super Stock
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2010, 10:50:34 PM »
The way it looks right now,if you build a car to one tracks rules,you pretty much have to stay there!Sunsets super street with all the bells and whistles wont be welcomed at Kawartha on a regular basis

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Re: The future of Super Stock
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2010, 11:16:33 PM »
The Novas are lucky to have a source for fiberglass parts (stock?) but no such luck if you run a Camaro. With the Camaro's you need search high and low for parts. I've had only three in 2 years.
I agree with the nostagalia pount of view but these cars are 30 years old and good usable parts are expensive so I'm not buying the cost arguement. I've just cut apart a Camaro this week for parts and breathing the toxic fumes cutting this POS up is total crap. Not too mention the intial cost of the car and having to drive 2 hours to get it. The inevitable is going to be just that inevitable, we are going to run out of donor cars eventually, why do you think we can run ex hooters and cascar stuff? cause there are no cars left! As far driving people out of the sport due to cost that's a little bit reactionary, as we have $1200 in a rearend!! that is now pretty much obsolete. Change is a bitter pill!! As a point, I'm not wanting to change anything I'm merely pointing out it is going to come to a day where it will happen. The question is when do we start to embrace the change, when do we see what the ramifications of that change are if any? Do you think a bodies such as that is going to have a performance difference? And most importantly what is going to be the reaction of the fans?
 

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Re: The future of Super Stock
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2010, 09:35:24 AM »
Just a thought...wouldn't it be cool if we could do "newfangled" and "vintage" in the same swoop, and find someone who'll supply fiberglass re-pops of 57 Bel-Airs and stuff?

To the eyes of your average Joe Race Fan, SS could almost be seen as a retro division anyway. Back in the 70s the guys were running coupe bodies that were just as old then as these Novas and Camaros are now, and I'm always surprised that they don't play up the older muscle car angle more often.

Just saying.  ;)

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Re: The future of Super Stock
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2010, 12:16:30 PM »
I guess it all depends on what you call inexpensive but aftermarket body panels are available. They don't fit great for a restoration but for Stockcars they should work.

This site has pricing but I know you can get any and all these at CBS in London on Bathurst. If you get to be a regular customer you can haggle with them also but I'm probably telling you guys stuff you already know.

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Re: The future of Super Stock
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2010, 01:03:46 PM »
Ernie I did some web research and Cross-Canada is way cheaper with a better range of parts. Personally if you want to keep things in perspective price wise a new JR Latemodel is going to run $10K so it's all on how you look at it

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Re: The future of Super Stock
« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2010, 02:49:28 PM »
one theme on some of the American boards regarding this same topic is that some teams claim it's a lot easier to show off a 2008 Monte Carlo (for example), than a 1978 Nova, to any potential sponsor.................

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Re: The future of Super Stock
« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2010, 05:23:36 PM »
it is for sure...i know my sponsor prefers the loook of my car over the others in the class...he says it looks like a race car....

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Re: The future of Super Stock
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2010, 05:49:33 PM »
SS right now still to a certain extent holds onto the 'stock' feeling that us old guys remember and love. I would hate to see it turn into what amounts to another LM division. I know there is nothing stock about these cars but then again there hasn't been a monte carlo made with rear wheel drive since the seventies. If you could mount all the stock sheet metal (what there is of it these days) onto an existing SS chassis then you could move forward with the division and hold onto some traditional looking cars. Turning SS into LM or a kit car series would remove the character that the division has now.

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Re: The future of Super Stock
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2010, 06:14:46 PM »
I agree whole heartedly with you on the character aspect but again at what price? We have wonderful division at a great track and it's supported by allot of other divisions. But man it's tough to keep things relavent with 30 year old cars. Does newer stuff attract more people? how come Legends really never took off around here? I'm not implying anything I'm asking. My sponsors loved our Metric with the 5 Star Body but nobody really likes the Camaro nearly as much. Everybody thought the JR Latemodel Monte we had was scream and most people who looked at a picture of thought it was a real full size car! If perception is reality how are people (the fans) percieving the Super Stocks accept for us old guys who has seen a Nova on the street lately :o any way just spit balling for what might be in a few years from now.

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Re: The future of Super Stock
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2010, 10:48:16 PM »
dosen't Perormance bodies have camaro bodies/parts in the circle track ads,  I think the SS/Thunder car classes bodies should be at least 10 years old becouse the last thing we want to do is confuze the fans and have the SS class be known as the slow Late Models, however you are going to run out of metric frames at sometime too so what will we do then.       

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Re: The future of Super Stock
« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2010, 06:34:06 AM »
That one was tried and disallowed :-[ I'm thinking that might need to be revisted. As far as metrics go there is a bit of a shortfall with them. They are available in some what reasonable numbers but that will soon dry up as you say. Those G-bodied cars are destined to be the new muscle-cars. Ithink if you could recycle an old LM or cascar or whatever into a decent car with an aftermarket body that's going to keep the supply of cars readily available and cost effective. In the US several different things are being tried with good reception and acceptability.

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Re: The future of Super Stock
« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2010, 01:01:05 PM »
www.springportmotorspeedway.com

Springport is running what they call the "ABC Stockcar Series".
Sportsman stockcars (like the car that started this thread) to Thunder style cars, and anything in between.

Regardless of what kind of car you have, you race with a group with similar qualifing times.
A B C and even D features as car count allows.

Outside of a superlatemodel, just about any full bodied stock car will be legal to race, very minimum rules.
Seems they have quite a bit of attention and interest.....time will tell.






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Re: The future of Super Stock
« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2010, 01:56:26 PM »
Any body ever seen these babies?

http://www.arbodies.com/ngb/ngbbodypackages.html

Personally I don't like the look of the above car.

As for where are we going. I personally like the Monte (which were made untl '88 in a RWD platform). All you really need to build one is a front clip, well any clip, then a full tube chassie (why not, quicker and earier than dealing with old rusted crap).
They you call Five Star or your local parts guy and buy this.


I also talked to Jeff W about the S2 Bodies from FiveStar.
http://www.fivestarbodies.com/bodyscat/S2.pdf 
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For $2k the time you save messing with crappy metal, fabricating, etc makes it worth while. A FiveStar Monte body (skins) was about $1000 so another $1000 for a full kit is a good deal, at the end of the first year you just replace the parts that need it. Like you all do now, but in less than 1/2 the time. There is no performance advantage, just a newer body. It'll happen some day, there is a reason we aren't running cars from the 40's, 50's, 60's and only a few from the 70's and 80's. Think about it.

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