Time for a new class?

[Wheelsspin]

I think the time is right for Delaware to look at starting a mini stock class,with pro late models looking like specials only ,trucks holding on by a thread, v8 stocks with under 10 cars last race,and enduro that's not enduro any more .all that's left is super stock and bone stock, that have good numbers. A mini stock class would be cheaper to build other than a bone stock,and would fairly quick turning lap times in 22 sec. Range.

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[Ryan Fan]

The day they get rid of the late models as a weekly program is the day the track shuts down.

-They need to combine the Enduro with the V8 Stock.
-SS are great, leave them.
-LM are great, leave them but keep the six pack with Flamboro and run them as a more prestigious series like the Jegs CRA Tour but at the home track only instead of a touring series.
-Trucks are rebuilding, leave them.
-Bone Stocks, they are working leave them.

Run all the series as a weekly program with rotating each series a week off like they have always done. Run one Fri-Sat weekend a month as they do now except make it a big weekend once a month, or twice if need be. A sample Fri-Sat weekend could look like this:

CANADA DAY WEEKEND (using this as my example special weekend)

Friday:

Bone Stocks (50 lap feature)
Trucks (10 lap heats, 25 lap feature)
1 Special Series (ISMA, OSCAAR, etc)

Featuring: King of the Hill Spectators Race

Saturday:

V8 Stocks (10 lap heats, 25 lap feature)
SS (10 lap heats, 40 lap feature)
LM (qualifying, 100 lap feature)

Featuring: Fireworks after the races!

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I think this format would be better for the track as a whole. weekly friday racing with 2 days of action packed racing once or twice a month. This way also your Friday night show would go from a basic LM,SS, V8 Stock show to:

Friday:

Trucks (10 lap heats, 25 lap feature)
V8 Stocks (10 lap heats, 25 lap feature)
SS (10 lap heats, 40 lap feature)
LM (qualifying, 75 lap feature)

with this particular week being an off week for the bone stocks. The bone stocks need to stop leaving cars on the track to make this work, they become your mini stock series and you have 45 - 60 cars a night! I love the old Enduro format but guys are getting hurt too often.

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[Wheelsspin]

I like your format but it don't see how that will increase car counts other than combining enduro & v8 stocks.the class's that were meant to move up into isn't happening.actually there numbers are dropping.as for late models they were dropped for cascar, that are ss today.

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[Ryan Fan]

Thats why I mentioned taking the cars off the track for bone stocks, that is leaning more towards the mini stock division you mentioned. As for the Late Models, I think the biggest problem is payouts, which could really only be solved by sponsorship and other ways of bringing more money in.

The trucks rebuilt a lot over the last off season, I expect a bit more this off season too. I think the format change to what bi mentioned would bring in more money for the track, which would allow higher payouts, which would equal the higher car counts you and everybody else is asking for.

Run every Late Model race like a special race and you will bring in some attention and hopefully more guys and higher payouts with more people coming to the track. Run qualifying instead of heats so the feature can be more of a special length. Just some ideas but I think a few minor changes to format could go a long way.

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[Wheelsspin]

I'm curious as to how many bone stock guys would move up to affordable division like mini stock? Especially when they only have to modify the car they already own.

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[kcbc]

  People ,people please no...... Will you all stop and think about what crap is coming out of your mouths. The track and other tracks DO NOT need more classes ,the pie (so to speak) is only so big to draw drivers from and if you keep cutting the same pie into more and more classes you end up with smaller pieces (smaller fields) but more classes . Stop thinking like this  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Take the classes you have. STOP the out of hand cost being spent on these things . The tracks and the builders have aloud this to get out of hand and you have priced your selfs rite out of it.... More classes will not help ,stop and control the cost on the stuff you have .... The end my two cents...wait for your replies on this one ...


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[Ryan Fan]

This is exactly why I proposed my points in my post. Not trying to shut you down Wheelspin, its just that more classes causes less cars in every other class. Combine the Enduro and V8 to create a good division, implement rules to preserve cars in the bone stocks etc etc.

I am unsure if the track is open to suggestions form people like myself but if they are I would love to sit down with management and throw some ideas out there. I have run very successful simulation racing leagues for a long time and although it is very different the premise is the same.

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[kevilay]

Im not sure whats going to happen with bone stocks. I really enjoyed racing them last year. Apparently the pumpkin smasher speeds are what their speed goals are for the series. Not sure how that will happen... I ended up buying a truck to race next year I think that series is going to start picking up again there are alot of cheap trucks out there right now. As far as enduro/v8 stock I feel most people would run v8 stock if it wasn't on fridays. Most of the guys I talked to that still run enduro said they do it because they can't make fridays. I don't think minis will every happen at delly. They are so firm on not taking any cars away from bone stocks

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[Wheelsspin]

It comes down to this all the v8 divisions have steadily been declining for years (except ss )and no one seems to have answer.but tracks all over Ontario have excellent mini stock car counts so why not Delaware? as for controlling cost that ship has sailed.l don't know about any one else but I'm tired of watching a sub  par show .

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[Dougy109]

V8 and Enduro should combine. And yes there should be a mini stock class. LM is fine, just take some time to get it back in line. It did have the payouts, and they dropped them to the provincial average. That hurt the class at Delly, and I should they should bring them back up. I was there for the meeting when they did drop them, and it was obvious, teams went elsewhere.. or parked their cars.

To say their isn't enough racers, is baloney. There's loads of guys running Mini class cars, and rock stock classes. These two entry level classes, cover most operating costs, and our track seems to think it isn't do-able. Sorry, it's one area I believe the track is wrong. Just my two cents.

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[Racer123]

Leave it the way it is and let it mature a bit. I think the V8 class will grow because some SS will drop down & Enduro's will move up. Would be nice to see more Enduro cars but from the pits it seems a lot of the Enduro guys seem to be having more fun than any of the other classes.


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[Wheelsspin]

123 your just moving cars around from class to class that doesn't increase car counts , enduro guys stay there because of cost & schedule.a few have moved up the last couple of years but not many. That's why there aren't 150 of them, the class became to expensive. The same will happen to the bone stocks unless there is affordable class to move up to

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[MARCH]

im with wheelspin theres no doubt a mini stock class would go over wasn't there 50 of them on a Thursday at sunset a few weeks back ???most tracks have 30-40 of them already ..Delaware missed the bus they didn't think of it first so it cant work (im not talking about the demlo/urlin era as we know it now) I told john H back in 2011 get on this mini stock class his reply there to SLOW, 22 isn't slow ...if a guy or girl is going to move up would it not be better to be able to use the car they have now with a setup??theres lots of bonestock guys cheating there asses of anyway no rev limter,cutting springs,messing with factory bumps the list goes on and on im sure ill get there all legal ...ya ok ....sorry to the guys with the enduro cars I think they will be forced to go v8 stock as far as latemodel going limted races that could happen too(and I run there) guys are dropping off like flys $$ 20,000 cars racing for 630 bucks of course they are leaving  ....ryan its all good racing 75 laps they just don't pay easy as that flamboro still pays 1200 to win or somewhere near there, tires are 630 a set and the American racer is junk wont go 2 weeks on 75 lap races ..the truth is demelo has his hands full theres no doubt ,I would not want his spot but  back to the original post should delly have mini stocks???your dam right they should they missed the bus but hey what do I know ive only raced at just about every paved track in southern Ontario and when I was at those tracks mini stocks had the HIGHEST CAR COUNT

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[Racechaser]

You need a smaller track for mini stocks to work.


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[Dougy109]

You need a smaller track for mini stocks to work.

Sorry, I disagree emphatically. Watch the 4Cylinder Opens, those races are awesome. 22's, and close racing. Some of the best racing, next to the SS class.

http://www.mylaps.com/en/classification/3290012

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