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Title: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: AutoAssembler on October 20, 2007, 12:43:07 AM
I was just reading this on Jayski, when I got in from work. I'm surprised it wasn't already mentioned???

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Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing? Auto123.com's contributor Bertrand Godin has learned earlier today a rumour indicating that Jacques Villeneuve and Craig Pollock have purchased the Bill Davis Racing Team [#22, #27 and #36 in Cup, #5, #22, #23, #27 in Truck]. According to a reliable source, Villeneuve and his business manager since 1992, Craig Pollock, have recently purchased Bill and Gail Davis' stock-car racing team. This is the team that currently runs Villeneuve in the Craftsman Trucks series and in the Nextel Cup. The new team, based in High Point, North Carolina will apparently continue to field the current drivers, as well as a Sprint Cup car for Villeneuve.(Auto123.com)(10-19-2007)
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: blaneyfan on October 20, 2007, 08:25:49 AM
I think they have made a mistake and that he as bought into BDR, not bought them out. We should hear more today but at this point, it is just a rumor.

 I have a very, very difficult time believing that BD is walking away from the sport. Never say never, but until they release something official, I wouldn't take this as fact.
JMO

Cheers
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: MID on October 20, 2007, 08:38:36 AM
I think there is something to this storey. I have email Joanne, Jaques mother, and Bertrand Godin, long time family freind and manager of auto123.
Sometime today I will post there response for all to read...
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: blaneyfan on October 20, 2007, 12:17:46 PM
Latest on Jayski's, for what it's worth.

UPDATE: Bill Davis says that he has not sold any portion of his NASCAR Nextel Cup Series team, but he wouldn't rule it out if he found the right partner. An Internet report said that Davis had sold his team to the team's driver Jacques Villeneuve and Craig Pollock, Villeneuve's business manager. Davis says that he and his wife, Gail, still own 100 percent of the organization. The owner says that there have been a lot of different opportunities come his way from a lot of different people. With the trend in the sport towards partnership, and with organizations growing to four-car operations, Davis said he could not turn a blind eye to the possibility of enhancing his effort by taking on a partner.(SceneDaily.com)(10-20-2007)
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: racenut on October 20, 2007, 03:12:59 PM
 I don't know if this story will turn out to be true or not, but I do think it has some merit. Remember, at the beginning of the 2007 season there were reports that Jacques and Craig were going to start up their own team with support from Roush. I think that they have the resources to do it too.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: GiddyG on October 20, 2007, 06:56:47 PM
I think there is something to this storey. I have email Joanne, Jaques mother, and Bertrand Godin, long time family freind and manager of auto123.
Sometime today I will post there response for all to read...

 :)
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: AutoAssembler on October 21, 2007, 02:02:36 AM
The latest as per Jayski.

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Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing? UPDATE 2: Auto123.com's contributor Bertrand Godin has learned earlier today a rumour indicating that Jacques Villeneuve and Craig Pollock have purchased the Bill Davis Racing Team [#22, #27 and #36 in Cup, #5, #22, #23, #27 in Truck]. According to a reliable source, Villeneuve and his business manager since 1992, Craig Pollock, have recently purchased Bill and Gail Davis' stock-car racing team. This is the team that currently runs Villeneuve in the Craftsman Trucks series and in the Nextel Cup. The new team, based in High Point, North Carolina will apparently continue to field the current drivers, as well as a Sprint Cup car for Villeneuve.(Auto123.com)(10-19-2007)
UPDATE: Team owner Bill Davis insisted on Saturday that he has not sold his organization as published reports indicated. That doesn't mean he won't. The owner of Bill Davis Racing said several parties have expressed an interest in purchasing his company that includes two Nextel Cup cars driven by Dave Blaney and Jeremy Mayfield, who will be replaced by Formula One star Jacques Villeneuve next season. "Like any team our size, we have to be realistic and look at all of our options with what's going on in the sport right now," he said before practice at Martinsville Speedway. "We've had a lot of interest, a lot of very interested people, and a lot of things that are for real. We just have to do our due diligence and make a smart, logical choice."(ESPN.com)(10-20-2007)
UPDATE 2: Bill Davis sees all that is going on around him in Nextel Cup racing and is not ashamed to say that his operation needs help. So he has hung out the "For Sale" shingle at Bill Davis Racing. Part of it? All of it? Even Davis doesn't seem to be sure yet. But he's willing to listen to all offers, and indeed is in the process of doing precisely that. Jacques Villeneuve indicated that he is not interested in owning BDR -- but didn't rule out the fact that his business manager, Craig Pollock, might have some interest. Davis said he would like to retain at least part-ownership in the team that bears his name.(NASCAR.com)(10-21-2007)



Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: JoeChance on October 21, 2007, 08:48:11 AM
 I have heard and read the same things that everyone else has but i think that Villeneuve and Pollock are buying into BDR not buying out BDR . If you recall a year or so ago when JV first expressed interest in running nascar with Roush , Jack told him to bring 10 -12 million and we can talk about it . I am very surprised that no one has commented on Jacques current sponsor UNICEF which is really just the United Nations . First am i the only one that thinks it is more then a little strange that the UN is sponsoring a stock car ? Not to derail this thread but many people consider UNICEF almost a criminal organization since they burn up 80 % of their donations in administrative fees . Of the money that does get past the bureaucrats most of it is misappropriated like the 9 million they gave to South Viet Nam that was used for military purchases . The reason i mention this is because i think the UNICEF sponsorship is just a thinly veiled cover for what is a classic case of ride buying .  I watched ride buying a long with other causes wipe out the CART series and now CCWS and it is the last thing nascar needs .

  Villeneuve can go suck on a plate of poutine for all i care but stay the hell out of stock car racing because he exemplifies whats wrong with racing .
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: Silverstone on October 22, 2007, 06:03:59 AM
Joe Chance, very well said!
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: MID on October 22, 2007, 08:02:31 AM
Joe Chance- well said, and yes it does not seem normal for someone like Unicef, wo looks for donations do help the needy, spend the donation money which was destin and collected for the needy, and instead spend it on racing.
There are allot of deals that work in this format, but doesnt it make you want to scratch your head ??
As for Jaques, I think he made a good move buy coming to NASCAR as this is a series that will challenge him and as well, give him new goals to drive for. Its good for the sport and good for Canada as he will draw attention to the Canadian market place for drivers.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: username on October 22, 2007, 08:50:10 AM
I won't argue with joechance about UNICEF as an organization but i will say that it seems to me that the majority of the racers in the top professional racing series come with a personal sponsor or sponsors and those who don't end up losing their rides to people who come with money or who's fame will attract money....
I think in nascar now all of those people losing their rides to open wheel drivers are doing so primarily because of the international recognition these drivers have and the marketability associated with their previous involvement in an international series.
To me unicef is no worse a sponsor than some soap or cosmetic company who tortures animals to test their products, i just like to see a canadian battling it out in nascar...i've been waiting years and i believe he is the best representation with the most talent (and funding)...
So far he is doing pretty good he was almost in the top ten in the truck before he got put into the wall at martinsville....GO JAQUES!!! don't choke on that poutine!! ;D
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: JoeChance on October 22, 2007, 09:15:50 AM
Joe Chance- well said, and yes it does not seem normal for someone like Unicef, wo looks for donations do help the needy, spend the donation money which was destin and collected for the needy, and instead spend it on racing.
There are allot of deals that work in this format, but doesnt it make you want to scratch your head ??
As for Jaques, I think he made a good move buy coming to NASCAR as this is a series that will challenge him and as well, give him new goals to drive for. Its good for the sport and good for Canada as he will draw attention to the Canadian market place for drivers.

 Mid i know you have an IRL background even though you were in it before the "ride buyers " really invaded heres my understanding of how these scams/sponsorships work . UNICEF/United Nations and organizations like them never pay out money , they are black holes that only suck it in . What they do is issue a tax receipt for the "value" of the sponsorship in this case probally some where in the $500.000 range per race . Its no skin off their ass since they are tax exempt and it can be written off by companies/investments that Villeneuve and Pollock have as a charitable donation .

  I disagree with you that JV is good for nascar or Canadian racing . I think Andrew Ranger is good for Canadian racing since has chosen to work his way up and not buy his way in .

  
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: JoeChance on October 22, 2007, 09:35:56 AM
I won't argue with joechance about UNICEF as an organization but i will say that it seems to me that the majority of the racers in the top professional racing series come with a personal sponsor or sponsors and those who don't end up losing their rides to people who come with money or who's fame will attract money....
I think in nascar now all of those people losing their rides to open wheel drivers are doing so primarily because of the international recognition these drivers have and the marketability associated with their previous involvement in an international series.
To me unicef is no worse a sponsor than some soap or cosmetic company who tortures animals to test their products, i just like to see a canadian battling it out in nascar...i've been waiting years and i believe he is the best representation with the most talent (and funding)...
So far he is doing pretty good he was almost in the top ten in the truck before he got put into the wall at martinsville....GO JAQUES!!! don't choke on that poutine!! ;D

  Wrong answer.

 Kurt and Kyle Bush , Tony Stewart , Denny Hamlin etc did not come with corporate money . If you know of any NASCAR sponsor that is torturing animals spit it on out since maybe the only thing i love more then racing is animals . I liked seeing Earl Ross , Vic Parsons Don Biedeman . Nick Rampling , Frog Fagen (i bet not many remember Frog)
race but i could care less about a ride buyer like JV.

 I am not  big about spelling on the net but if you were really a fan of Jacques i think you would be able to spell his name.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: username on October 22, 2007, 12:03:36 PM
Joe (i don't like to pick on spelling but hold on a minute while i pick on spelling) Chance,

lol joe i guess you are indeed a bigger fan of jocks than i am....probably just smarter than me.

what are you going to do jc?  stop watching the cup races to protest? 
i'm not disputing the fact that people have raced stock cars from grassroots levels to cup, i'm speaking of the current trend of cup teams signing open wheel stars with no stock car experience. if these drivers aren't buying their way in than at least the teams know that it will be easier to attract sponsor money with a name like dario franchitti than it will be to attract sponsor money for a david stremme.

as i'm sure you know, sometimes companies that make things for humans test them on animals.  to see if shampoo burns human eyes they put it in the eyes of little bunny rabbits to see how bad it burns.
i'm not sure if proctor and gamble use these practices anymore but there are alot of companies that do and although i don't have the time to research it...it still happens and i would not be surprised to find one of these companies on the hood of a stock car.
there have been some big oil companies that have done some dirty things to the environment and companies that have stolen and pissed away their employees' pension money or use child labor in impoverished countries that have sponsored sports including nascar.

all those guys you talk about are/were great talented racers, but none of them made a career out of cup racing...my bet is they didn't have the funding to race cup.

unless you are the .01% of young racer prodigy children that one of the cup teams catches a glimpse of and breeds into a cup driver through arca, truck, busch....you will be buying your way in...period

joechance you are dreaming if you think this will change...i will drop some change in a unicef box it will help  mr. strap buy a tire.



Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: jcrashm2 on October 22, 2007, 12:05:49 PM
If I was an American and hated Nascar, i would wonder why all my tax money was going to support the Army car and all the armed forces sponsored cars. Sorry but i read about soldiers coming back missing legs and arms and they cant afford to keep up their home payments or food on the table for their families after they return....... And every biz has a charity racket now. Look at CTC with donation boxes at the cash registers for their CTC money. Look at Walmart with looking for the donations for Dieppe memorial awhile back. Two nice year end tax donation right offs. Donate yourself, not too big companies too make tax write offs for themselves.....Unicef is just like any other biz doing some advertising and writing it off.  And Nascar is going to have a big fan drop sooner or later. I love it, but i hardly watch a race all the way thru like years ago. The first few laps and the final 50. Check in once inawhile and see how things are going. Races are boring. I cant stand listening to Rusty talk. I saw a Napa commericial and Mikey was making fun about himself, reading letter from fans about how lousy he has done this year, and I actually started feeling sorry for him for a sec. Bring on JV and lets get Ron into a regular ride, maybe some new blood will get me straightened out.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: racenut on October 22, 2007, 04:50:59 PM
 The various divisions of the US Military don't "officially" sponsor Nascar Teams. This money is "advertising" dollars to promote recruitment, which they claim is very successful. (I know it's just semantics though) All "ad" deals are only one year, and are renewed annually.  I don't see this as being any different than any other sponsorship program. If you were an employee of any of the companies that sponsor racing or anything else, wouldn't it be natural to think that they should be increasing your wages and benefits instead of spending millions on these programs? I don't endorse this view, but I can see that side of the argument. Some people will support and enjoy their companies' involvement and others will be cynical.
 As for UNICEF or other charities. Yes, some are corrupt, but not all. I also agree with the idea of giving to whatever cause that you see fit individually and not through a corporate drive. Let them give their own money and not take credit (and get the tax credit) from the donations of others.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: JoeChance on October 22, 2007, 05:23:13 PM
The various divisions of the US Military don't "officially" sponsor Nascar Teams. This money is "advertising" dollars to promote recruitment, which they claim is very successful. (I know it's just semantics though) All "ad" deals are only one year, and are renewed annually.  I don't see this as being any different than any other sponsorship program. If you were an employee of any of the companies that sponsor racing or anything else, wouldn't it be natural to think that they should be increasing your wages and benefits instead of spending millions on these programs? I don't endorse this view, but I can see that side of the argument. Some people will support and enjoy their companies' involvement and others will be cynical.
 As for UNICEF or other charities. Yes, some are corrupt, but not all. I also agree with the idea of giving to whatever cause that you see fit individually and not through a corporate drive. Let them give their own money and not take credit (and get the tax credit) from the donations of others.

 The American military very much officially sponsors nascar teams and they do multi year deals but usually not more then 2 years at a time .
http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?id=2954576
  The American military has almost 1.5 million people in it and they need to recruit constantly like any large organization and NASCAR works for them .
 The Canadian military recruits as well however they have a different method .
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4606/3810741br5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: Thayne on October 22, 2007, 06:16:10 PM
The various divisions of the US Military don't "officially" sponsor Nascar Teams. This money is "advertising" dollars to promote recruitment, which they claim is very successful. (I know it's just semantics though) All "ad" deals are only one year, and are renewed annually.  I don't see this as being any different than any other sponsorship program. If you were an employee of any of the companies that sponsor racing or anything else, wouldn't it be natural to think that they should be increasing your wages and benefits instead of spending millions on these programs? I don't endorse this view, but I can see that side of the argument. Some people will support and enjoy their companies' involvement and others will be cynical.
 As for UNICEF or other charities. Yes, some are corrupt, but not all. I also agree with the idea of giving to whatever cause that you see fit individually and not through a corporate drive. Let them give their own money and not take credit (and get the tax credit) from the donations of others.

 The American military very much officially sponsors nascar teams and they do multi year deals but usually not more then 2 years at a time .
http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?id=2954576
  The American military has almost 1.5 million people in it and they need to recruit constantly like any large organization and NASCAR works for them .
 The Canadian military recruits as well however they have a different method .
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4606/3810741br5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

ThAT IS TOO FUNNY
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: hill3 on October 22, 2007, 06:31:04 PM
joe that is not right, you should know that all Canadian navy ships come with a back up sail or a set of paddles
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: Kahnefreak on October 22, 2007, 06:40:16 PM
wow, this is disgusting...Why are we making fun of our own military forces on here? People have died in wars to give us what we have today, so please find something else to make fun of. This is a racing forum, not a political one.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: JoeChance on October 22, 2007, 06:45:30 PM
wow, this is disgusting...Why are we making fun of our own military forces on here? People have died in wars to give us what we have today, so please find something else to make fun of. This is a racing forum, not a political one.

 No ones making fun of our troops . I have 3 family members in the service and a very good friend in Afghanistan . If anything i am poking fun at or our sorry politicians that under fund the services.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: Kahnefreak on October 22, 2007, 06:46:22 PM
well i apologize for saying that but like i said it's not a political forum either!
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: hill3 on October 22, 2007, 07:03:10 PM
kahne it is not often me and joe are on the same side,but if you follow the whole thread the topic is about sponsorship and whether it is right for armed forces to Spenser a car or an event which does have alot to do with racing, unlike a pink cowboy hat i read about on here just kidding. on a personal note my uncle servered in Korea and in cypress so i too once again agree with joe that what is disgusting is putting our troops in harms way with out the proper equipment but i digress ,imnsho it is fine for the army etc to advertise on a car.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: Kahnefreak on October 22, 2007, 07:54:52 PM
well from what I read, the topic is not about sponsorship at all. It is about whether Villeneuve is buying Bill Davis racing. but the topic changes about half way down the first page.At least the pink cowboy hat in the banquet had something to do with the thread name!
kahne it is not often me and joe are on the same side,but if you follow the whole thread the topic is about sponsorship and whether it is right for armed forces to Spenser a car or an event which does have alot to do with racing, unlike a pink cowboy hat i read about on here just kidding. on a personal note my uncle servered in Korea and in cypress so i too once again agree with joe that what is disgusting is putting our troops in harms way with out the proper equipment but i digress ,imnsho it is fine for the army etc to advertise on a car.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: MID on October 22, 2007, 08:28:44 PM
Just so everyone understands... sponsorship is only a way of marketing. Marketing is a form of advertising, and Advertising is what fuels the interest of those that Sponsor.
Army, Navy, Airforce, Marines are in the game to advertise to the viewing audience that follows and supports the interest of their names and business. In short, the chance of recruiting the next Air Force pilot is not going to come from sponsoring a Tennis Match, but focus on the fast speed of a Stock Car race and chances are you will find your next TopGun pilot. That being said I would hope this makes marketing sense!!

As far as other company's getting into racing I can tell you the norm of Beer and Tobacco suppliers in the late 70's- early 80's were shocked when the name Tide came on the scene. Lets face it- what husband that follows racing(and don't call me chauvinistic girls)goes out and buys the laundry detergent.... 99% of none !!
But guess what- P&G saw that more women were going to races then ever before, so why not market to them.
In short- P&G ran one of the most successful advertising campains with the Tide name and set a whole new level of marketing in the racing advertising industry.

I for one don't agree with some sponsors that take from the general public and throw money around as if they have to much..... It is a very bad marketing program in the eye's of the everyday Joe and one that will make the general public say no too the next time they are asked to donate. As for the Tax implications and benefits... the only time you need these loop holes is when you have made to much money to start with..... so did we give to much in the first place ??

I understand that Drivers today that buy rides look bad in the eyes of fans, but lets face it- does anyone out there think that the race teams are sitting back with tons of money and a backyard view of Fort Knox. Racing costs money, and the money has to come from somewhere, so regardless of your passion for the sport, this step along the road of racing is going to have to happen unless race fans want to start paying for $1,000 tickets to replace this form of raising funds.
Saying that- I do not agree with the Drivers that have made the big bucks and still want more as they are right up there in my books with the overpaid stick and ball guys. Sadly this will never change and sadly we as a population always want more from our Employers, our Unions, our Educators and so on. It's a terrible cycle, but one that everyone of us are guilty of and we set the tone here at home long before the racers ever even had the chance to cash their checks.

As for Jacques- Jacks- Jaqcues- JackO... its great he was given the chance to compete in NASCAR, and yes we all know it came by means of bringing a huge Piggy Bank with him on his journey South, but he is no different then the thousands of drivers before him. Todays NASCAR Team contracts all read basically the same... Driver history, Birth Place, Please include your Visa or MasterCard number here....

Chances are that unless you can put it on the pole at Daytona with an average speed of 245MPH while smoking a cigarette, drinking a soda, and talking on the cell phone all at once, your not going to get the job as Racing's next big deal....If you cant run 100 yards in under 10 seconds, do the polka in the endzone and complete it by mooning the opposing crowd, the NFL doesn't want you either. As for Hockey, if you can punch-kick-swear-shoot-spit or smash... the NHL is willing to take a look at you. Thank God there is still a sport out there that is willing to give a little !!!  

If the big V. has enough money to buy a protion of Davis, so be it... If he doesnt do it, someone will !!!



  
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: hill3 on October 22, 2007, 08:29:48 PM
kahne too true too true forgive me and accept my humble apology,plus send a pic of you in the pink cowboy hat. good luck helping your dad out next year.ps good to see you back mid.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: Kahnefreak on October 22, 2007, 10:40:18 PM
actually i am not wearing a pink hat as were not allowed to wear hats where the banquet is being held. It's at an Army hall. But i totally have to agree to somebody's comments about buying into a cup ride. I truly hope that is not what is happening in Villeneuve's case. I hope he is getting the ride based on skill and not by buying into the organization. But then again Nascar is a business and money from any source is always going to be welcomed by team owners. It will be good to have a Canadian full time in Cup, but I feel Jacque needs more time behind the wheel of a full bodied stock car before moving into cup. Maybe a year in the truck series or Busch series would have been a better idea! It seems as though too many drivers these days are being thrown into a cup ride with limited experience. Whatever happened to the old days when a driver earned his way to a cup ride by proving himself in a truck or busch ride? I guess those days are gone and Nascar is becoming a more money structured business then ever before. If Jacque can sell a sponsorship then put him in the car.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: AutoAssembler on October 23, 2007, 03:27:45 AM
An update as to what is being stated on Jayski.

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UPDATE 3: Bill Davis said reports that he’s selling his High Point NASCAR team may be premature, but he won’t flat-out deny reports he may be selling part of his team to Jacques Villeneuve, perhaps a very significant part. Davis has signed Villeneuve to run his Toyotas next season on the Nextel Cup tour, as teammate with Dave Blaney. And Villeneuve is spending this fall running NASCAR Trucks, to warm up for 2008. Now comes word that there is much more to the Davis-Villeneuve deal than the two are letting on. Davis hedged when pressed on the situation. “We’re not in position to make any comment right now,” Davis said.(Winston Salem Journal)(10-22-2007)

Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: Thunder6 on October 23, 2007, 06:01:48 AM
If anyone here could bring 15 to 20 Million Dollars US to the table, you too could get your start in Cup...

Not fair but reality...

Jacques, or Jack as the English announcers used to call him, (sorry Silverstone, that's what it sounds like to me) can drive a race car... and he has certainly proven himself in CART-IRL machines and F1... Montoya did it, JV will do it.

Do I think it is good all of these open wheel drivers coming to N/C? No, but I didn't like the Europeans or the Russians coming to hockey either, but they came anyways...

This is the reality of today, N/C is very popular... and lots of money in it right now too.

Ron Fellows should have had a F/T car 10 years ago... it didn't happen and it won't happen now... too bad.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: GiddyG on October 23, 2007, 06:12:38 AM
Maybe a year in the truck series or Busch series would have been a better idea! It seems as though too many drivers these days are being thrown into a cup ride with limited experience. Whatever happened to the old days when a driver earned his way to a cup ride by proving himself in a truck or busch ride? I guess those days are gone and Nascar is becoming a more money structured business then ever before. If Jacque can sell a sponsorship then put him in the car.

Is this Nascar's doing or the teams doing.  You still have to qualify to get a starting spot in a Nascar race and we seen how hard that was for the Toyota teams this season.    The way I see it, Villeneuve bought a ride with Bill Davis Racing. It was their choice to invest in a cup car, not Nascar.  Its up to the team and Villeneuve to qualify against all the other teams wanting in too.  What has Nascar done wrong except put oin a race series that maney will chase.

GG
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: JoeChance on October 23, 2007, 07:52:13 AM
 Maybe i can get this thread back on track . No one said NASCAR has done anything wrong although you may get some that think letting anyone run their first Cup race at Dega in the middle of the chase was not a wise decision .
  The difference between Montoya and Villeneuve is that someone went out and hired Montoya on merit and Villeneuve is just a ride buyer . Anyone that has followed racing for a while saw what ride buyers did to the CART series starting in the late 80s early 90s . This discussion is just about wether you think its a bad thing or it doesn't really matter . Everytime a Guseppi Strombolli who once ran 4th in a Formula Whocares race and father made a billion dollars in the button business in Europe buys his kid a ride in a Cup car there will be one less seat available for some kid who worked his way up from the short tracks in North America .

  Is there anything that can stop this , probally not CART couldn't stop it . On the brite side i will probally be watching less NASCAR and attending more short track racing where Guseppi Strombolli couldn't run in the top 5 in the Thunder car class .

 
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: MID on October 23, 2007, 08:25:38 AM
Agreed Joechance...
The big picture here is NASCAR has been the hottest deal in Motorsports for some time now and any Driver that wants to race at the Worlds highest level of competition will do anything these days to come to NASCAR.
NASCAR, once the Southern Boy's territory, has gone global and is attracting not just the Drivers but major league Sponsors to fuel the sport.
Is it a good move on JV's part to come aboard ???- hell ya.

For everyone in the know they know the reality of Montoya coming over to NASCAR- it was offered up with more side dishes then GrandMa's turkey dinner. In short allot of money was deposited into Montoya's NASCAR budget which made the move possable.

As far as open wheel drivers coming to the worlds biggest Stock Car Series, it was just a matter of time.
The IRL and Cart now have a bigger issue then the question of what series is going to survive ??
Now it turns to the bigger question- How are we going to survive without Star's in cars ??

NASCAR's format is based on making the show... "A really big showwww" using the words of Ed Sullivan.
When your the biggest and the best you inherit the authority of saying, 'We are the Worlds best !!!', and that my friends is what NASCAR has grown and earned.
Who knows- the next big storey could be Jackie Stewart is making a comeback in a NASCAR program..... 
   
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: FromTheStands on October 23, 2007, 10:08:02 AM

Who knows- the next big storey could be Jackie Stewart is making a comeback in a NASCAR program..... 
   

I'd love to see that race.

"Jackie!, Jackie! You don't need to race to the car. You start from in the car!"
"Yes, yes, I know, the mechanic stays in the pits nowadays."
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: Silverstone on October 23, 2007, 10:43:46 AM
I would beg to differ on Nascar being the worlds best racing series. I would agree however, that it is North Americas best racing series. The thing that puzzles me though, is that we are quick to complain about low car counts, lack of sponsorship, and poor fan turnout in stock car racing today. All Nascar is, is a stock car organisation that attracts the car counts, sponsorship as well as the fans, and we complain about them too! As for ride buying versus earning a top ride, ride buying is going to happen whether we like it or not. It is the same as here in the real world, some people have to earn everything they have, others have it handed to them on a silver platter. It's the way of the world folks!
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: hill3 on October 23, 2007, 08:06:06 PM
i have had to BUY every ride i have had from go carts to slm and will continue to do so. i have also had to go out and sell my program to sponsors and will continue to do so. bear in mind this sale is more than just finishes on the track anymore. they want displays a spokesperson charity involvement etc.how you sell your self as a person is just as important as on track finishes even at the club level if one wishes to maintain current sponsors. how is the any different than JV "buying his ride". this will give us two Canadians to hope for next year if carp is in the 10 ride. ps on the UNICEF thing maybe this was bill davis or jv charity of choice and they were paid nothing or were paid by one of the other corporate partners. i myself ran child find for nothing for two years but it led to $$$ sponsors the year after.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: jcrashm2 on October 23, 2007, 09:39:20 PM
going back to mids mention of Air Force Top Gun....did u kno there was nothing called a Top Gun until the movie came out...and that after they started it, a Canadian pilot was invited once and he cleaned up.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: Thunder6 on October 24, 2007, 12:46:05 PM
That is true, it was called Naval Advanced Fighter School or something like that... The Air Force has the Red Flag events which are similar...

It all has its roots in the Vietnam conflict when air tactics were not producing enough "kills" on the North Vietnamese Air Force, the Air Force ratio was 1:1 and the Navy I think was 2:1.

It is fairly common knowledge that Canada has some of the best trained Military pilots in the world...

But enough off topic stuff for now...

Canada has produced some great drivers over the years too, Gilles Villeneuve (Jacque's father) was a madman on the track and is still to this day revered by Ferrari fans in Italy. He truly was a legend...

Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: duken on October 24, 2007, 05:13:33 PM
I really doubt Montoya's deal is just based talent based . He has a history with Ganassi and is likely more than just a hired gun. JV is a world F1 champion, and an Indy 500 and Cart champion , he is an asset to Nascar no matter how he landed the ride. He ,Dario and Juan Pablo are making the good ol boys sport into a world body , as a fan of the tv coverage  , I applaud the move.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: Silverstone on October 24, 2007, 06:21:28 PM
The thing that would worry me the most about this, is that although Villeneuve won the world championship, his latter years in F1 were not quite as good! He had an unlimited racing budget, but he lacked the passion and drive to bring his team to anything better than rock bottom. he wouldn't show up for sponsors functions, and even walked out of a team in breach of contract with races left on the schedule! allthough I would love to be proven wrong, I think that Jacques in Nascar is a disaster waiting to happen!
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: hill3 on October 24, 2007, 07:16:24 PM
i dont know silverstone you wrap a four hundred pound piece of lead around my butt call it a BAR and i would not finish anywhere but rock bottom. he show all he needed to when he did not flinch when mighty mike tried to take him out, plus he his Gilles kid give him at least a shot.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: JoeChance on October 24, 2007, 08:25:44 PM
I really doubt Montoya's deal is just based talent based . He has a history with Ganassi and is likely more than just a hired gun. JV is a world F1 champion, and an Indy 500 and Cart champion , he is an asset to Nascar no matter how he landed the ride. He ,Dario and Juan Pablo are making the good ol boys sport into a world body , as a fan of the tv coverage  , I applaud the move.

  I am not sure i have seen a more derisory post on this site . I have met Chip/Cheap Ganassi and he does not have a quixotic bone in his body just ask Jason Lefler , Jamie McMurry , Sterling Marlin , Jimmy Spencer to name a few . Montoya has a Indy 500 win Cart Championship and F1 wins and more importantly they are all more recent then JVs.
 It has been over a decade since Villeneuve has won anything not to mention all the baggage he brings with him . (see Silverstones post) . You must think you are smarter then every NASCAR owner because not a single one wanted him on his own merit. . Villeneuve did not land a ride he bought a ride and hopefully he will fail miserably and it will deter the other rat bastard ride buyers from trying it . NASCAR has done pretty well for its self over the last 50 plus years with the most gentile , approachable participants of any major sport or as you refer to them "good ol boys"

     You may applaud the move but i deplore it .
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: Thayne on October 24, 2007, 08:57:20 PM
I really doubt Montoya's deal is just based talent based . He has a history with Ganassi and is likely more than just a hired gun. JV is a world F1 champion, and an Indy 500 and Cart champion , he is an asset to Nascar no matter how he landed the ride. He ,Dario and Juan Pablo are making the good ol boys sport into a world body , as a fan of the tv coverage  , I applaud the move.

  I am not sure i have seen a more derisory post on this site . I have met Chip/Cheap Ganassi and he does not have a quixotic bone in his body just ask Jason Lefler , Jamie McMurry , Sterling Marlin , Jimmy Spencer to name a few . Montoya has a Indy 500 win Cart Championship and F1 wins and more importantly they are all more recent then JVs.
 It has been over a decade since Villeneuve has won anything not to mention all the baggage he brings with him . (see Silverstones post) . You must think you are smarter then every NASCAR owner because not a single one wanted him on his own merit. . Villeneuve did not land a ride he bought a ride and hopefully he will fail miserably and it will deter the other rat bastard ride buyers from trying it . NASCAR has done pretty well for its self over the last 50 plus years with the most gentile , approachable participants of any major sport or as you refer to them "good ol boys"

     You may applaud the move but i deplore it .

Very well said. The new blood to the sport are all rich,cocky, jerks....unfortunately thats the way it goes when you get some money....you tunr into someone who is better than anyone else
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: Silverstone on October 24, 2007, 10:04:37 PM
i don't know silverstone you wrap a four hundred pound piece of lead around my butt call it a BAR and i would not finish anywhere but rock bottom. he show all he needed to when he did not flinch when mighty mike tried to take him out, plus he his Gilles kid give him at least a shot.

Hill3, that is why world champions command the big bucks. They are meant to work with their teams to turn a four hundred pound piece of lead into a winning machine! Look at Michael Schumacher. When he left Benetton for Ferrari in 1996, everyone thought he was crazy! The Ferrari's were no more than a 400 pound piece of lead! they were simply not competitive. It took three years, but the Ferrari's went on to dominate F1 winning seven constructors titles, including a record breaking six consecutive titles. How BAR were ever expected to become more than a 400 pound piece of lead, when their "star driver" would barely do any more than show up on race day, is beyond me.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: hill3 on October 25, 2007, 10:05:50 AM
silverstone it sure helps when it appears bernie and max are bending over to help the flagship.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: username on October 25, 2007, 12:15:20 PM
sounds like joechance got stiffed for an autograph from jv back in the CART days ;D
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: Silverstone on October 25, 2007, 01:37:38 PM
silverstone it sure helps when it appears Bernie and max are bending over to help the flagship.

I don't think that was the case back then, lets get this clear, I am certainly not a fan of Schumi, or Ferrari (except when Nigel Mansell drove for them, hence the pic!) but Michael sure knows how to turn the wheel of a race car, and get the very most out of his team. F1 does not thrive when there is one dominating driver/constructor, Max and Bernie are well aware of this. The fact is, Ferrari with an unlimited budget, and a driver like Schumi, were bound to win, (please don't tell my family that I said that!!) The same way that BAR with an unlimited budget and JV should have been able to win. Back in the late 90's early 00's those were the only two teams in F1 where money was no object.
    If JV finishes in the top 15 in cup next year. I will be happy to admit that I was wrong, but I truly believe that he will be lucky to finish in the top 25. There are any number of Canadians that could go to cup racing and represent Canada in a sterling manner, I don't feel that he is one of them.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: hill3 on October 25, 2007, 01:52:09 PM
silverstone lets do apples to apples. lets compare his season to juans if he has a locked in spot in the top 35, if he does not have a locked in spot we will compare average finishes from this year for juan to jv next year, lets also throw in carp and dario also and see how the open wheel gods fair. i believe that jv will top juan 07 performance and out perform the other two next year and if it is a locked 35 team he will win rookie of the year. ps why so hard on jv he accomplished the same feat mansell did in the 80s only going the other way, also always likes mansell felt he was or is a class act. f1 still has not been the same since senna left,still like to watch it not stuck only on racing with fenders just wish the irl and cart could get their act together.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: username on October 25, 2007, 02:44:57 PM
i agree hill3...i'm not sure but i don't recall any start up f1 team to have very competitive car right away, there might have been other factors within the team that held back the development of the BAR machine, and when jv and shumi had similar equipment jv won straight up.  too bad that they didn't have the opportunity to battle for a few more years...
so far this year i think jacques has met his and his teams goals and has qualified well for every race he attempted, and i suspect will be in equipment that is inferior to those who we will be comparing him to next year, but still i will bet on him for ROY...homer or not.
I think he has the balls of a tracy and the intelligence of a fellows and i think he will come through...
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: Silverstone on October 25, 2007, 06:09:50 PM
I'm not saying that BAR should have been championship material right out of the box, but they should have been very competative in 2 or 3 years. When Eddie Jordan first started building F1 cars, they were fairly competative right out of the box. I'll tell you what hill 3. I for one do not think that JV will out perform JPM next year in cup on an average finish basis, excluding wrecks and mechanical failiure. If he does you can choose the picture to go under my CRO name for one month. If he does not then I will choose a pic for under your CRO name for one month. What do you think?
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: Thayne on October 25, 2007, 06:18:18 PM
I'm not saying that BAR should have been championship material right out of the box, but they should have been very competative in 2 or 3 years. When Eddie Jordan first started building F1 cars, they were fairly competative right out of the box. I'll tell you what hill 3. I for one do not think that JV will out perform JPM next year in cup on an average finish basis, excluding wrecks and mechanical failiure. If he does you can choose the picture to go under my CRO name for one month. If he does not then I will choose a pic for under your CRO name for one month. What do you think?

Sounds like a very fair wager.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: duken on October 25, 2007, 06:35:57 PM
JoeChance , you continueously claim that you may have met just about everyone or may have possibly  been at every situation involved in the history of racing so why don't you just tell us what you want for the entire racing world. I'm sure we will all capitulate.
  Personally, I don't claim to be anything but a fan .  Nascar is making an investment into Canada and to have some Canadian talent in their top series  ,to me , is a positive . You don't agree , too bad, it's happening whether you like it or not. If your not on the bandwagon ,then get out of the way before it runs you over....  ;D
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: hill3 on October 25, 2007, 07:24:33 PM
lol i am on for that silverstone but lets includes wrecks and mech failures but to be clear it would be jpm in 07 vs jv in08,also anyone want carp or dario under them rules i would welcome them,how about you silverstone.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: JoeChance on October 25, 2007, 08:10:08 PM
sounds like joechance got stiffed for an autograph from jv back in the CART days ;D

     Joey , growing up around race tracks i was never interested in getting autographs . I only ever asked one driver in my life for an autograph and that was Gordon Johncock , but i doubt you have ever heard of him .
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: JoeChance on October 25, 2007, 08:20:58 PM
JoeChance , you continueously claim that you may have met just about everyone....

  Obviously no one has met everyone but i have met more then most . Please feel free to throw in a point or fact now and then .
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: duken on October 26, 2007, 02:00:04 AM
 Here's a fact. Regardless of your disapproval Joe , JV will be in Nascar Sprint Cup racing fulltime in 2008. Here's a point, many of us baby boomers have a rich racing history, we just don't feel the need to brag about it. And, today you get the bonus plan .  Here's a conclusion. Your posts under your present and previous banned personas may have some fans , but the rest of us have not requested you to be the  self appointed  CRO message board bully . You will likely get more respect if you were to try giving some first.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: Shadowracer on October 26, 2007, 06:00:57 AM
FROM THE CRO CODE OF CONDUCT

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Rule 1 - Keep it RESPECTFUL.

Do - Engage, discuss, report, ask questions, and seek clarification. Please tell us your point of view. We're here to talk about racing.

But don't engage in - personal attacks, name-calling, judgements, or blanket generalizations. This extends to anyone, from the poster you are answering, to the promoter of a race track on the other side of the country. Its simple - don't bad mouth anyone. You can support, criticize, or discuss an idea, but we draw the line at "so and so is an idiot", as well as other "more clever" ways of saying the same thing. Feel free to criticize if you must, just do it in a respectful manner and don't make it personal.

This rule is getting close to being enforced. Let's get back to Jacques please.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: username on October 26, 2007, 08:43:47 AM
ok i'm sorry for my part...
joechance....i'm just ribbing a little because sometimes you seem condecending in you're response when people disagree with you so i'm givin you a little poke...but having said that i quite enjoy reading what you write...you are very good at getting you're point across and you are good for the site (did ya see that comin?)
but lighten up...don't take it personal when people disagree with you and if you dish it out a little, take a little...hell i don't even know who you are i've said who i am before so you got nothing to prove to me...i'm just a schmuck racer/fan of racing....and you are right i don't know who gordon johncock is...
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: hill3 on October 26, 2007, 09:23:09 AM
ok joe lets blow your mind. Gordon johncock, won two Indy 500 in two different decades,usac cart champ in mid 70s,also ran some cup events in inferior equipment. problay the most underrated open wheel drive. closest rival to the andrettia bad luck at Indy,lost a teamate and pit member in73 74?
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: username on October 26, 2007, 10:51:00 AM
he sounds like a talent...thanks for the info hill3...it was just before my time i was born in 76..
my first memory of seeing racing was "the pass on the grass"...i was a new #3 fan and i was hooked on racing from then on......ok waaaaaay off topic....but now i know thanks.. go jacques!
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: Silverstone on October 26, 2007, 04:44:58 PM
lol i am on for that silverstone but lets includes wrecks and mech failures but to be clear it would be jpm in 07 vs jv in08,also anyone want carp or dario under them rules i would welcome them,how about you silverstone.
O.K. Ive got the perfect picture picked out already! lol
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: hill3 on October 26, 2007, 05:28:07 PM
now i am scared you got a picture already picked out for the end of the season next year.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: MID on October 26, 2007, 07:23:10 PM
Okay you guys have been going on long enough about this deal so I am forced to put in my 2cents of issues, and I don't want a huge comeback on what I say because it really makes no sense to argue over facts, then gossip.
1. Mansill is the best racer of all time... I can say that because he is related to me through my Mother and I can call him Uncle. Regardless I consider him to be one of the best !!
2. F1 is a series that was formed to prove who was the best in Europe...not here, and anyone from here that has gone to F1 has never had enough to repeat.
3. I worked for Gilles as a mechanic in the Atlantic days and we won everything under the sun and I can say he was way ahead of talent... just flat out great.
4. Gilles went to the F1 with an invite from McClaren and after 2 tests and 2 races... quit because the cars were not up to his driving talent.
5. Gilles drove for Ferrari as a test driver and was signed overnight to take over a seat in F1 which turned out to be a huge leap forward for everyone.
6. We loose Gilles, and the entire racing community suffers as everyone around the world has just seen the rise and fall of one of the very best of all time.
7. Jacques his son comes along and takes over where Dad left off, and walks through Victory's Lanes like a fish swims through water. Winning is as simple as walking when you have that much talent.
8. Indy 500- no problem... F1 Championship... No problem
9. Takes a ride in a underfunded, but state of the art race team and wins, but the team slowly looses control of staying on top and JV finds himself in a very bad situation.
10. JV is no longer regarded as the dream, but criticized by the media as he no longer has the lust to win. Truth is JV was on his way to becoming an individual on his own and as all teenage kids do, started to wear funky clothes, dying his hair, talking back.... this was the demise of JV as F1 does not, at that time, allow that image.
11. JV quits racing because he is tired of the BS that goes along with racing.
12. JV learns in between cutting Albums of which he sings on, that there is a whole nother world our there that seems to be very much down to earth.
13. Nascar says welcome JV. If you can do this you will get a ride....JV tests....JV is very,very good....JV is in.
14. JV, just like any other driver will find his nitch along the way and learns about courting Sponsors... and here we are......If the guy can make it happen, and has the talent, them let him dance and shut up until you can do better, but for God's sake, enough is enough.
LET THE KID RACE AND ENJOY IT.... LIFE COMES TO FAST TO LOOSE OUT ON DREAMS  !!!           
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: hill3 on October 26, 2007, 07:48:18 PM
little comeback then points 2-14 agreed,point1 wwwwwwwwwweeeeelllllllllllll i dont think that anyone can state that as a fact personal opinion yes, still think senna could run circles around them all,except Mario, damn man i still smoke jps because of those lovely lotus car see sponsorship does work. lighten up mid its just me silverstone have some knowledgable fun.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: Silverstone on October 26, 2007, 09:46:37 PM
(http://nigelmansell.free.fr/fans10.jpg)
Hill3, just thought you might enjoy this! Midamerica, I always knew you were a man of taste!
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: Silverstone on October 27, 2007, 07:48:08 AM
now i am scared you got a picture already picked out for the end of the season next year.

Well I would't of suggested it if I did'nt have something in mind!
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: jcrashm2 on October 27, 2007, 10:01:34 AM
JV was getting interviewed on Speed last night and seemed pretty cool. The announcers (Larry Mac and crew)were funny because they seemed like they didnt want to offend him or something. Asked him if he was bother by all the complaints about him racing Cup, and that he could take out a Chase guy because he was inexperienced, and he said he understood and probably would have felt the same way. Although Lil E said he would rather have JV behind him, because he knos the other guys would spin him. He said the may difference between F1 and Nascar is there are cars too pass.LOL. And he has too learn how to race in a pack of cars. I hate to admit but he looked lot more intelligent then alot of drivers the interview. And one other thing was strange that didnt dawn on me till now. He didnt have a shirt or hat with a logo or anything showing. He needs a better PR guy.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: hill3 on October 27, 2007, 10:17:38 AM
sweet silverstone thats too funny.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: blaneyfan on October 27, 2007, 01:04:11 PM
Here's the latest on the original topic:

Latest on Bill Davis Team Sale: Jacques Villeneuve has apparently completed a buy-in of Bill Davis’ High Point-based Toyota operation, according to sources close to the team, and Villeneuve will have at least a majority interest in the operation, perhaps even full ownership. Last Sunday, when asked about the report of a planned Villeneuve buy-in, Davis said he wasn’t in a position to give a specific answer but did say he was considering a number of options. It is unclear what a purchase price might be. It is also unclear why Villeneuve, who lives in Montreal, would want to buy a NASCAR team, or if Villeneuve might move the team from High Point, where Davis has operated for more than 15 years.(Winston Salem Journal)(10-27-2007)

I am excited about Jacques coming into nascar and hope he can enjoy some success, however, should he end up with my man Blaney's owner points I would be very perturbed, to say the least and not get booted.
 The way Dave's luck has gone though I don't have any doubts that is what will happen should they end up majority owners. >:(
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: JoeChance on October 27, 2007, 01:52:13 PM
 Blaneyfan  I would rather watch the Buckeye Bullet then the Richelieu ride buyer .
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: blaneyfan on October 27, 2007, 02:05:30 PM
Me too JoeChance.
 I am pretty confident that Dave could qualify in for them. He is a good qualifier and he and Baldwin seem to be clicking, but something like the broken swaybar yesterday is all it takes to miss one.
 I'm also not sure what CAT would think of that after just signing a multi year deal. I can't see them supporting it.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: Silverstone on October 27, 2007, 06:29:51 PM
JV was getting interviewed on Speed last night and seemed pretty cool............And one other thing was strange that didnt dawn on me till now. He didnt have a shirt or hat with a logo or anything showing. He needs a better PR guy.

Thats not lack of a PR guy, I'll bet thats just Jacques trying to live up to his "rebel" or "against the grain" image.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: Mobil1fan on October 27, 2007, 07:05:19 PM
Blaneyfan  I would rather watch the Buckeye Bullet then the Richelieu ride buyer .
Did you get mad when Jeff Gordon bought into Hendrick so that Jimmie Johnson could have a ride?
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: hill3 on October 28, 2007, 12:36:08 PM
i think jv will get(not should) the 22 owner points due to the fact that blaney can out qualify the rest of the have nots for the first five races, fair, not at all smart for a busniss side yes, dont agree with it though. just a thought this would not be the fault of jv,lay the blame where it belongs at the feet of brian france and mike helton the creators of the top 35 lock in.
Title: Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
Post by: ace on February 08, 2008, 01:48:41 AM
JV Will qualify....with the rest of the open wheeled guys...we have to be honest with ourselves...these open wheel guys can drive (see NCATS this year).