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Title: car counts
Post by: charger on January 05, 2008, 11:15:01 AM
so with the changes going on at barrie this year what do you think the car counts are going to be like this year up or down? ???
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 05, 2008, 12:46:29 PM
I am guessing down in every division cept LLM and perhaps chargers will stay the same...
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Doherty on January 05, 2008, 01:31:54 PM
Well LLM might be about the same with the now possible losing of Watson, G. Reynolds looking to go OSCAAR,will McWhirter be back? Ive seen the car for sale on a few different sites,  Darren Malcom selling, Steve Quesnelle in search of a budget to run, and will K. Reynolds be p/t of f/t.

Those are the possible losses, gains are Kyle Baker? and that really all I know of.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: SpencerLewis on January 05, 2008, 02:15:08 PM
a gain would also be the guy that bought temples chassis

and the mcwhirter car for sale on the websites is their old varney car that finished second to mclellan, however their barrie car is also for sale "for the right price"
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Race8Fan on January 05, 2008, 02:47:57 PM
Well Doherty I hope you are wrong with some of your hearsay speculation.  The car McWhirter has for sale is a spare car not the car he ran Barrie or the year end specials at Flammy and Pete, it was the 98 car driven by Steve Smith the year before.  The other four guys you mentioned are just some sponsorship dollars away from running a full season as are most racers.  

I can't help but believe some of the LLM drivers around Ontario and even some LM teams have to be taking a good look at all the positive things coming out of Barrie.  The biggest knock on Barrie in the past was on track calls and tech with the hiring of Brian Thomas I would say the new ownership group has addressed these problems.  Mr Thomas comes from doing the same job the last several seasons at St Estache where he was very well liked and highly respected by the racers, before that he has several years experience with Cascar and Delaware.  As for new rules the 100lb weight break for the crate has been removed so guys from other tracks with built engines can now run at Barrie with the same weight as the crate cars.  As for the LM guys with 105 cars and aftermarket spindles no longer have weight percentage penalties as all cars are now the same with 55% left and 50% rear.  Then there is the payout, simply put has to be the best in Canada when you compare the cost to race at Barrie to the amount of money that can be won.  Tell me where you can run a 35 lap race on a small track with a $4000 engine that pays a $1000 to win.  Then you have the year end points payout $7500 for first and $3150 for second and so on.  Plus you have the Nascar Canada money on top of that, and the extra year end draws for Carbs, Shocks, Body, 1/2 off Body, $750 Bayside credit.  The points champ Baker took home around $10,000 cash plus many extra prizes like 1/2 off a body, Bell Helmet, Drivers suit etc.  I wonder what the Delaware, Flamboro or Kawartha LM champs took home?  Or the Sunset, Varney, Mosport, Peterboro, Kawartha LLM champs took home?

It would be awesome to see a weekly field of 30 plus cars where everybody would have to quailfy to make the feature.  Heats would be very entertaining and the points race would be very interesting.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Doherty on January 05, 2008, 02:58:20 PM
just a quick thought on the points payout

** These are 2007 Points Payouts, 2008 will vary based on car counts.

Now how do you not have a set payout, what happens if there 10 cars, more money for those who ran or is it less if there 15 plus cars, So how do you say 7,500 for the winner if its not set?
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Doherty on January 05, 2008, 02:59:46 PM
Im not bashing or anything just rather curious as to how that works?
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: racerchick on January 05, 2008, 03:15:13 PM
Just because Keith sold his chassis doesn't mean he is not building another one to race.  You can count on seeing Keith out this season in LLM.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Doherty on January 05, 2008, 03:16:48 PM
I almost forgot about that one.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Race8Fan on January 05, 2008, 03:40:15 PM
Well Doherty, I don't know for sure but I would think the points payout will be at the very least the same as 2007 if not higher.  I say this due to several reasons, on the Barrie home page it states the 2008 points payout will top $20,000.  In 2007 it was $20,500, distributed to the top 15.  As you stated it mentions on the payout page 2008 will vary based on car counts.  I take that as it may payout further back then 15 if there is a field of 20 plus cars most nights, which would make 2008 payout larger than 2007.  Another reason for this positive thinking is that they have already increased the weekly payout and reduced the racers weekly expenses by lowering tire costs.  Not to mention dropping gate fees for children 12 and under.  Also the new owners bring alot to the table when it comes to running successful business'.  One of the three partners has several years of marketing experience and business improvement experience. If you saw the marketing video they played at the drivers meeting you would believe if there is sponsorship dollars available in Canada they will find it, and the more they find the more will be available to be distributed amongst the participants.

I'm not bashing either but how much was Sunset's LLM points payout?
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Doherty on January 05, 2008, 03:43:01 PM
No idea, those werent attatched to the rule handouts, i have no idea what the payout is. I know 800 to win a normal 30 lapper and 1000 to win a 50 lapper.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Race8Fan on January 05, 2008, 03:55:26 PM
Well I would be suprised if Morrow took home $2000 cash.  This is not really a knock against Sunset as most asphalt tracks in Ontario have very low year end points payouts.  That's why the Barrie points payout stands out, it is much greater then Ontario tracks even much higher than the true LM classes at Delaware, Kawartha and Flamboro that require a more expensive car to compete for alot less money.  That's why Barrie is the place to race in 2008!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: SpencerLewis on January 05, 2008, 04:03:21 PM
Just because Keith sold his chassis doesn't mean he is not building another one to race.  You can count on seeing Keith out this season in LLM.

no one has said anything to the contrary

Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Doherty on January 05, 2008, 04:04:27 PM
Place to race or the place to try to make money racing?
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Doherty on January 05, 2008, 04:13:57 PM
Not knocking once again just saying. Who supplys the Barrie LM tires at barrie? Is it the same supplier as Sunset Kawartha, Peterborough and Mosport?

Also you may have one more car. Big Dog where are you going for 2008?

And if the gate fee dropped this year to $15 what was it last year?
And Sunset is cheaper by a dollar, cheaper for students and seniors and kids 11 and under are free.
By all means i wish barrie all the best im not bashing just enjoy a nice conversation, nice to talk without it turing into bashing.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Race8Fan on January 05, 2008, 04:21:28 PM
Doherty nobody makes money racing, not even at the highest level.  If anybody is making money it is coming from sponsors not race/purse payouts.  At the local level we race for fun, it is great if we can enjoy our favorite sport with out going broke or sacrificing everything else life has to offer.  That's why I think what Barrie has to offer in there LM (really a LLM) class is the best deal in the country.  You can take a $20,000 (has been done for less) car and race 22 nights for the possibility to win $22,000 from the weekly purse and approximately $10,000 in year end points payout.  
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Doherty on January 05, 2008, 04:28:30 PM
Not denying that they offer the most money and i honestly thing they have the most money backing them ownership wise well except maybe Kawartha theres alota money there. Just I hope the new owners are able to turn a profit cause i would imagine that the money being payed out wont be offered again next year.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: latemodel28 on January 05, 2008, 04:31:59 PM
Well I would be suprised if Morrow took home $2000 cash.  This is not really a knock against Sunset as most asphalt tracks in Ontario have very low year end points payouts.  That's why the Barrie points payout stands out, it is much greater then Ontario tracks even much higher than the true LM classes at Delaware, Kawartha and Flamboro that require a more expensive car to compete for alot less money.  That's why Barrie is the place to race in 2008!

Well race8fan most of these tracks pay out $1000 to win. if the car count is good. There are also a lot of big races during the season that pay very well. I.E Grisdale triple crown series at flamboro. You say these cars are a lot more expensive but in reality they are not. The crate motor for the LM class is about $5000 and other than that the quick change is really the only thing that seperates the two. LLM can and may become just as expensive to race as a LM.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Race8Fan on January 05, 2008, 04:34:14 PM
Not sure who supplies tires to Barrie, probably the same supplier to the other tracks in Ontario running Hooiser tires.  That being said it would be great if the other tracks drop there tire price for 2008.

No offence but I hope Barrie has more than one new LM car in 2008.

Couldn't tell you what the gate fees are at Barrie as I always go in the pits, just thought it was a positive for the new owners to drop the gate fee for kids 12 and under.

Please don't take any of my comments as bashing, it's nice to talk on this board without negativity, just real information and positive opinions.  I like all racing and all tracks, I just like to acknowledge tracks and management that are trying to make things better for racers.

Yah Canada just won gold!!!!!

Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Doherty on January 05, 2008, 04:38:27 PM
Mike makes a great point, I mean Donaldson's sold there LLM for what 19,500, You can pick up most Delaware LM's for 20000-25000 race ready.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Race8Fan on January 05, 2008, 04:58:03 PM
Latemodel28 what is the price of the 604 crate engine that Flamboro and Delaware LM use?  Yes you are correct when you say you can spend almost as much on LLM as a LM but my point is you don't have to spend that much, and you can still be competitive at Barrie.  The Barrie Champions car of Baker was an old Alstar car last run in Alstar several years ago by Derrick Downey car number 77.  The second place car of Mcloud was an old Cascar chassis that was purchased complete for less than $15,000 prior to the 2007 season.  So you don't need a new $40,000 to $50,000 McColl car to win at Barrie, which seems to be the case at Delaware.  What is the shock rule at Flamboro or should I say how much were the shocks worth on the top running cars?  What are the brake calipers worth on the top cars?  Not trying to be smart just don't know what parts you guys run for shocks and calipers.  Do you have a tire limit per night rule at Flamboro?  As for the weekly payout of $1000 to win not sure about Flamboro but Delaware runs a 50 lap feature on a 1/2 mile track where Barrie is 35 laps on a small tight 1/3 mile.  This makes weekly expenses less at Barrie.

You are correct Flamboro and Delaware run a few specials that pay good.  But there season end points payout is not that good.  So in comparison it is alot more cost efficient to run Barrie than Delaware and Flamboro.  I would love to see Flamboro and Delaware raise there weekly and yearly points payouts to reward there drivers/teams and help this keep sport alive and thrive in the future!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Doherty on January 05, 2008, 05:04:26 PM
But in the end run Location is going to be the biggest factor, noone is going to travel and extra 3 hours for an extra 200 bucks.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Turn1 on January 05, 2008, 05:11:23 PM
You are correct Flamboro and Delaware run a few specials that pay good.  But there season end points payout is not that good.  So in comparison it is alot more cost efficient to run Barrie than Delaware and Flamboro.  I would love to see Flamboro and Delaware raise there weekly and yearly points payouts to reward there drivers/teams and help this keep sport alive and thrive in the future!

What's the evidence on the season end points fund?  At Delaware there is no Nascar license fee to offset and this year the top 5 drivers in points in each division along with like 4 crew members got free membership as well as free pit entry to every event they race at.  No entry fees!  They race for free!  THATS a good way to reward those that keep the sport alive.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: latemodel28 on January 05, 2008, 05:20:22 PM
Latemodel28 what is the price of the 604 crate engine that Flamboro and Delaware LM use?  Yes you are correct when you say you can spend almost as much on LLM as a LM but my point is you don't have to spend that much, and you can still be competitive at Barrie.  The Barrie Champions car of Baker was an old Alstar car last run in Alstar several years ago by Derrick Downey car number 77.  The second place car of Mcloud was an old Cascar chassis that was purchased complete for less than $15,000 prior to the 2007 season.  So you don't need a new $40,000 to $50,000 McColl car to win at Barrie, which seems to be the case at Delaware.  What is the shock rule at Flamboro or should I say how much were the shocks worth on the top running cars?  What are the brake calipers worth on the top cars?  Not trying to be smart just don't know what parts you guys run for shocks and calipers.  Do you have a tire limit per night rule at Flamboro?  As for the weekly payout of $1000 to win not sure about Flamboro but Delaware runs a 50 lap feature on a 1/2 mile track where Barrie is 35 laps on a small tight 1/3 mile.  This makes weekly expenses less at Barrie.

You are correct Flamboro and Delaware run a few specials that pay good.  But there season end points payout is not that good.  So in comparison it is alot more cost efficient to run Barrie than Delaware and Flamboro.  I would love to see Flamboro and Delaware raise there weekly and yearly points payouts to reward there drivers/teams and help this keep sport alive and thrive in the future!

Race8fan the price of the crate engine at flamboro is $5200. I am not sure of the shocks that other teams ran but i know that we ran the QA1 rebuildable    shocks. As for calipers we run the same ones as LLM, single piston. There is no tire per night rule at flamboro. The tires we run are very reliable and can last 2-3 weeks for the outsides. Doherty makes a good point, a lot of the racers from flamboro and delaware race there because of location.   
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Race8Fan on January 05, 2008, 05:24:04 PM
Doherty you are correct a couple of hundred bucks will not make somebody travel an extra 3 hours.  But it is only 20 minutes from Sunset to Barrie so $200 bucks for 20 mins, okay 40 mins (there and back) is pretty good money wish my day job payed $200 for 40 mins.  Plus Latemodel28 mentioned most of these tracks pay $1000 to win, maybe Flamboro and Delaware LM's but not Sunset, Varney, Peterboro, Mosport, and Kawartha LLM, I think they pay between $500 to $800 on a regular night.  Somebody might drive/tow a little further for a substantial increase in year end payout or the chance to be acknowleged in front of a huge crowd of race people as the Ontario Nascar Champion, just ask Dwayne how much fun he had in Vegas.

As for Delaware and Flamboro I don't think any of the top teams would switch to Barrie but what about the 6th to 15th place cars that are running for $400 to $200 a night.  Surely a 6th to 15th LM could run top three in a LLM field, well maybe not.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: slowel on January 05, 2008, 05:25:06 PM
When drivers are deciding where they are going to run,sure they think about the payout but I don't think it is a major factor I really believe it is travel.Most drivers stick close to the home track they have had in past.Also if I'm a 5 place car at my current track am I going to another track for end of yearpoint's fund which you probably not going to win anyways?
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on January 05, 2008, 05:48:00 PM
 Just a side note to all this is another LLM that I could see running Barrie next year is the 20 of Dwight Brown. He personally told me that they were only at Mosport running the modified cause they had the equipment already! Now I noticed he quit running modified about half way through last season to run the LLM at Mosport and focus on the points in that division, and I know he really likes the Barrie track so I think he might possibly make the move this year but thats just my best guess!! I think Thayne hit it on the head when he said the LLM count should be virtually the same 16-18 cars thats the way I see it shaking out!! And the Baker car isnt Derek Downey's old ALSTAR car as far as I know Downey still has that car as I talked to him at the tail end of the season and he also told me he would consider coming out of retirement if he could find good and reliable sponsorship!! The car DWAYNE ran last year was the former ALSTAR car he himself ran in that series as well as competed in the LM division at Kawartha with!!!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Race8Fan on January 05, 2008, 05:49:36 PM
Latemodel28 thanks for replying on parts and costs.  So the 604 crate is $5200 as compared to Barrie's 602 at $3069.91 as per Flamboro supplier MacMaster.  On the surface shock and brake prices look similar, but I would hazard a guess that the top cars at Flamboro had a lot more in there shocks that you had in your QA1's, do your rules allow Penske shocks?  No tire rule, so the top teams or the guys with buckets of money can bolt on 4 tires a night, wow there goes the winnings!  You say you ran your outside tires 2 to 3 weeks how many top 5 feature finishes did the 99 car nave in 2007?  The last question is not meant as an insult as we all race within our means, just if you want to compare apples to apples between Barrie's top five cars expenses to Flamboro's top five cars expenses I think yo will find Flamboro cars spent way more money to be competitive.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Race8Fan on January 05, 2008, 06:18:39 PM
blkflagagain sorry to have to correct you but Dwayne's car was Derek Downey's Alstar car which Derek had purchased from Ian Bourque.  You are correct when you said Dwayne ran the car in Alstar and LM before he converted it to a Barrie LLM.  The car Derek has at home is his old LLM car and when I say old I mean it's probably 20 plus years old was once driven by JR Regan in the old LM sportsman days mid 1980's if I remember correctly.  That would be great if Derek came back which only proves my point that you don't need a high dollar new car to be competitive at Barrie.  Good luck in your sponsership search Derek!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: racerfan44 on January 05, 2008, 06:31:26 PM
Race8fan on your reply #20 you stated that Delaware ran 50 lap features maybe that was 3 years ago but if I am not mistaken they ran 35 lap features for Late Model cars last year
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: SpencerLewis on January 05, 2008, 06:35:45 PM
it's a pretty safe bet that dwight brown will stick with mosport so long as rip is there


Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Race8Fan on January 05, 2008, 06:37:14 PM
Turn1 yes I heard about Delaware rewarding the top 5 in each class with a surprise membership for next year.  This is great especially if the team is planning on running in 2008, I'm sure the teams would have preferred the cash value of those memberships at the banquet but every little bit helps.  I'm not bashing Delaware just try to show what Barrie is offering compared to other Ontario tracks.  If Jesse Kennedy hadn't won the big $10,000 to win invintational his dismal points payout would not have helped offset his costs to race in 2007.  As for your comment about the Nascar membership, I take it you are still alittle bitter about Delaware's foray into Nascar a few years ago, I bet you Scott Lindsay has a different view about Nascar.  As for Barrie the Nascar membership was not mandatory for crew members as it was at Delaware, due to the fact the pits were in the infield/pit road area.  It was only required for Barrie drivers and crew members that wanted to go on pit road.  The crew members Nascar membership was not a factor if you were planning on running a full season because the amount a Nascar member saved on pit gate admission on a nightly basis payed for the Nascar membership.  As for the drivers the track helped with the cost of the Nascar membership by waving the normal Barrie drivers fee.  This didn't cover the full cost but with the added insurance coverage and the increase in points payout it was worth the few extra bucks.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on January 05, 2008, 06:37:33 PM
 As for some of the other drivers mentioned look for McWhirter to go full time NCTS, with Barrie on the off weekends for a few appearances. Quesnelle will be back at Barrie as well as Malcolm. The # of races Darin will do will depend on how well hes doing is my guess!!! I think hes a great driver and while I do think he someday would like to be a track champ like father Brian was, Darin is pretty laid back and just really races for the sport of if and he also values family and spending time at home which if you ever saw his wife you'd know why!!!!LOL I think Kevin Reynolds depends if he can get any sponsorship for the coming year I for one hope he gets it!!! Garry is looking to go OSCAAR from all accounts and thats too bad to lose the man with the most career feature wins at Barrie. I do know he applied to get the race directors job at Barrie and I for one was disappointed when he didnt get it!! And this is no slight to Brian Thomas as I wouldnt know him if I fell over him!! But to me a race director should be more of a schedule maker/ liason between drivers and fans alike as well as over seeing public relations as well as another eye during the races to make on track decisions and that sort of thing where to me it sounds like his specialty lies more in the tech shed!!! I know Garry had some really good ideas with regards to race formats and such that I think would of really helped the speedway for both car counts and fan support alike!! I was pretty choked not to see THE GAMBLER get his due after running at Barrie since 73!!! One thing I wonder is who they going to get to work at Barrie?? I know many former track employees that arent coming back to work there and can only hope they get more than a skeleton crew to do some of these inportant jobs!!! But I guess its really trial and error for the new ownership group and I look forward to attending for at least a few races as I'm not going to be on staff this year. Good luck this season to all drivers from all tracks and heres hoping the Sat nights are filled with sunshine and warm temperatures!!!LOL
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on January 05, 2008, 06:50:16 PM
And no worries RACE 8 dont mind the correction one bit!! I just didnt realize Downey had that car before Baker!!! I thought Downey's current LLM was the one he ran ALSTAR with!! And ya I'm aware how old that car is and your probably right about is being JR Regan's old ride in the Sportman days as well!!! I'll even go ya one better I think Mike Shaughnessy raced with that same chassis when he did some races in the BUSCH North or Winston West series or whatever it was at the time around 81 or 82 I believe???? What ever the big races Shaughnessy ran in the states that was the car!!!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: axle on January 05, 2008, 06:59:51 PM
malcom is not comming back all his stuff is for sale.....look iunder barrie's for sale page,he wants to race ncts!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Race8Fan on January 05, 2008, 07:00:50 PM
slowel you are right when you say most guys run the track that is closest to home, heck who would blame them with the price of gas these days.  But there are some guys out there that like to travel and try new challenges so the extra payout that Barrie offers would have to be some insentive for some new faces to show up at Barrie this year.  I don't agree with your second point if you are running in LM at Kawartha, Flamboro or Delaware surely you would have a shot at being a front running car in LM (LLM) at Barrie.  Plus the reduced engine, clutch, shock, and tire costs from a LM would offset the added travel expenses.  Now if you are a top 5 running LLM at another track it is possible to run at the front at Barrie, the second place finisher at Barrie this year hadn't raced in a few years and had never raced on the redesigned 1/3 mile tri oval, so anything is possible.  All that being said do I think anybody from Delaware will show up at Barrie, no I don't but there are some guys from the GTA that tow an hour or so to there current track maybe a few of those will head north.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Race8Fan on January 05, 2008, 07:02:49 PM
racerfan44 you may be right at 35 laps, but I'm pretty sure the LM's at Delaware ran 50 lap features.  Hopefully Shadowracer or Cascarjr52 can set us straight.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: SpencerLewis on January 05, 2008, 07:10:21 PM
its not 50 laps every friday
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Race8Fan on January 05, 2008, 07:11:04 PM
Well good luck to Darrin Malcolm I hope he gets what he wants.  Whoever ends up buying his Barrie car I hope it returns to Barrie.

As for new Barrie cars I have heard of Mike Brown's crew man (think his name is Doug) has a car coming out.  Keith Temple is building a car, Big Dog has a car hopefully he returns to the track.  Jeff Walt is returning to Barrie.  Would love to see 25 cars start the feature every night, to allow a Barrie car the shot at winning the overall Nascar All American Championship.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on January 05, 2008, 07:12:48 PM
 How about Steve St. Onge in a late model for 08??? Just another rumour out there but I could see it having some merit as well!!!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Race8Fan on January 05, 2008, 07:30:35 PM
Spencer do you know for a fact that Delaware LM regular night features are not 50 laps or are you just guessing?  How many Friday night Delaware shows did you attend?  According to Tyler Brown's website his Race Calander shows Delaware as 50 laps!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: SpencerLewis on January 05, 2008, 07:34:36 PM
Spencer do you know for a fact that Delaware LM regular night features are not 50 laps or are you just guessing?  How many Friday night Delaware shows did you attend?  According to Tyler Brown's website his Race Calander shows Delaware as 50 laps!

ive been there for 3 shows


ive been there for a 50 lap event where they made a big deal over it being a 50 lap event...meaning i find it extremely hard to beleive they do it every week


Title: Re: car counts
Post by: flybyya8 on January 05, 2008, 07:40:16 PM
 Brian Malcom was telling me a few weeks ago Darins talking to a few people about rides.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Race8Fan on January 05, 2008, 07:40:43 PM
Spencer you may be correct at 35 laps it wouldn't be the first time a racers website was wrong.  I know it was 50 laps in previous years but maybe the new management this year reduced it to 35 due to the low car counts and to give the racers a break on weekly expenses.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: racerfan44 on January 05, 2008, 07:56:18 PM
Race8fan you are right that is the reason they dropped it from 50 to35 was the expence it was to fix the cars .If I am not mistaken the drivers requested this to management a couple years ago
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Racer43 on January 05, 2008, 08:37:36 PM
I ran every event at DS this year. Regular night features were 35 laps. 1000 to win. Just to clarify.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: axle on January 06, 2008, 01:11:44 AM
dont forget there will be two bakers in the llm field.48 and 84...also heard big dogg will be there wonder if he will go threw tech hahaha
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 06, 2008, 01:55:41 AM
Rick, the last time I checked, he was still on the fence.... He really liked how he was treated at Sunset when he went there mid-way through last year...I'm sure he will come on and speak for himself soon enough.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: latemodel28 on January 06, 2008, 04:48:13 AM
Latemodel28 thanks for replying on parts and costs.  So the 604 crate is $5200 as compared to Barrie's 602 at $3069.91 as per Flamboro supplier MacMaster.  On the surface shock and brake prices look similar, but I would hazard a guess that the top cars at Flamboro had a lot more in there shocks that you had in your QA1's, do your rules allow Penske shocks?  No tire rule, so the top teams or the guys with buckets of money can bolt on 4 tires a night, wow there goes the winnings!  You say you ran your outside tires 2 to 3 weeks how many top 5 feature finishes did the 99 car nave in 2007?  The last question is not meant as an insult as we all race within our means, just if you want to compare apples to apples between Barrie's top five cars expenses to Flamboro's top five cars expenses I think yo will find Flamboro cars spent way more money to be competitive.

I understand what your saying, by all means a LM is more expensive to run. I was just trying to say that the LLM are getting pretty close to the cost of a LM. We had a second place finish in 2007 on 3 week old tires! now as far as the season went we had some bad luck. Its obvious when you dont have a tire rule teams will spend a lot more, now if barrie didn't have one either you and I can both agree the costs would be close.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: axle on January 06, 2008, 11:46:01 AM
Rick, the last time I checked, he was still on the fence.... He really liked how he was treated at Sunset when he went there mid-way through last year...I'm sure he will come on and speak for himself soon enough.
he paid for a pit pad and registered mike and himself!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: bigdog44 on January 06, 2008, 01:01:21 PM
Axle !  You are purchasing idle gossip !  Demand a refund forthwith !
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: axle on January 06, 2008, 01:11:22 PM
not gossip seen it with my own eyes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: bigdog44 on January 06, 2008, 02:14:35 PM
Well then in that case !!!    I do believe a visit to Lenscrafters would be in order .
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 06, 2008, 02:16:13 PM
lmao rick....idle gossip is wha this site is alllll about!!!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: SpencerLewis on January 06, 2008, 03:36:58 PM
Well then in that case !!!    I do believe a visit to Lenscrafters would be in order .


hahaha....
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: luckybear on January 06, 2008, 03:39:26 PM
not really sure about steve quesnelle returning i think he wants too race down the road with his brother that would be greatto see again.  :)
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: axle on January 06, 2008, 05:55:25 PM
Well then in that case !!!    I do believe a visit to Lenscrafters would be in order .
ill bet you that late model you will be put on the drivers list with you nascar membership paid in full!!why play games big dog?
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: charger on January 06, 2008, 09:40:35 PM
so you think the counts will be thae same 20 chargers 20 pure stocks
around 20 thunders and 15llm * not totally acurate just what i remember* what do you think would be optimum for each class and still be home before 1am
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Doherty on January 06, 2008, 11:51:47 PM
20 pure stocks you guys were averaging 15 the last month and most night some of the chargers ran both features.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: charger on January 07, 2008, 08:40:38 AM
  :D funny 26 car feature top 5 chargers running, as i said not totally acurate just what i remember
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Doherty on January 07, 2008, 10:31:22 AM
I was just going off the last night in the A division where there was 16 cars, 2 8 did not start and one charger joined in. 15 cars. Plus now you guys have lost watson and my understanding the Mustang has been sold, also my understanding is glaze won't be back. Thayne are you running again?
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: charger on January 07, 2008, 10:35:24 AM
we have a coupe of chargers moving up and i think there will be a cople new to replace the chargers
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: racingjunkie on January 07, 2008, 06:19:21 PM
The last few weeks the average car count was 14/15 in the Pure Stock.   The 18 car was sold,  35 wasn't there the last few weeks(and part of season), and the 9 car missed a few nights near the end as well.   This was after the track lost the 4, 44, and 12 car before mid-season.   It was the weakest division along with the LLM's.  They took turns having the weakest car counts but the last few weeks it was definitely the Pure Stock division.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 07, 2008, 06:31:41 PM
i am planning at this time to run, but you never know with jobs and stuff...the 35 is more or less pitting for me, as far as i know they are not running this year, they have my car right now and are putting it on a diet and building a better front hoop for it...Glaze will not be selling his car last time i talked to him and plans on running the odd night and specials...you will see the 57, 99, 15, 49 (if he runs at all), maybe 64 all move up to the A divisions.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: 240racer on January 07, 2008, 07:44:17 PM
There is a chance i will run barrie this year with my #2 mini stock car. We have also started building a coupe 240sx that would be piloted by my brother in the charger division..Dont hold me on this, we could change our minds where to run a week before racing starts...or even if we'll be there with 2 cars everyweekend or just show up once in awhile...but right now its looking like barrie.

melenhorst racing press release lmao ;D..
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Doherty on January 07, 2008, 07:56:11 PM
18 car wasnt sold.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 07, 2008, 07:58:29 PM
the trailer was and the family had a falling out...Steeve wont be in it htis year, thats for sure...or so he tells me.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: axle on January 07, 2008, 09:59:09 PM
that and he probley end up driving that dodge shadow up burrows ass!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: charger on January 07, 2008, 10:12:12 PM
well that would be a long drive to do that with the burrows boyz racing mods at mosport and i doubt as fast as that dodge was that he could catch them. lol
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Doherty on January 07, 2008, 10:14:50 PM
Just remember no matter how slow your car you dont have to catch them, they will lap you at one point, and then you get them, Ive seen it happen a few times, seen it at barrie on night a few years ago, i believe it was the b-feature/last chance race.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: charger on January 07, 2008, 10:23:29 PM
Just remember no matter how slow your car you dont have to catch them, they will lap you at one point, and then you get them, Ive seen it happen a few times, seen it at barrie on night a few years ago, i believe it was the b-feature/last chance race.





seen it happen more than once at barrie lol,  feature b-feature or heat dont make a difference they still gotta go by some time
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: axle on January 07, 2008, 10:26:49 PM
Just remember no matter how slow your car you dont have to catch them, they will lap you at one point, and then you get them, Ive seen it happen a few times, seen it at barrie on night a few years ago, i believe it was the b-feature/last chance race.
sounds like a good story go on...
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 07, 2008, 10:29:05 PM
haha...Dave n Beau will be back on off nights with the minis...
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Doherty on January 07, 2008, 10:30:39 PM
Sharing the mod?
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 07, 2008, 10:32:24 PM
no, they got three mods....the mods dont run every night...i meant the off nights of the mod series at mosport.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: charger on January 07, 2008, 10:33:07 PM
not that i am aware of good source says they each have one
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 07, 2008, 10:34:13 PM
hey turtle, i beat yah to it!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Doherty on January 07, 2008, 10:41:00 PM
Sweet deal was just rather curious if they each had one or just took over Bill's to share but either way heck of a jump from a crx to a modified.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 07, 2008, 10:41:53 PM
they were in them a bit last year on practise nights at sunset...surprised you didnt see it first hand brendan.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Doherty on January 07, 2008, 10:43:38 PM
I did and it was just Dave turning laps, they kept the Mosport gears in for the test.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 07, 2008, 11:24:52 PM
IC, so she prolly wans't going too good then...keeping her toned down a bit...
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Doherty on January 07, 2008, 11:29:06 PM
No No they just didnt want to change gears to goto sunset for practice then change them back for Mosport.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 07, 2008, 11:40:19 PM
Yea, I don't blame them...we ahve a lift and still ahte doing it...haha
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Doherty on January 07, 2008, 11:42:08 PM
Just call Shawn he got taught over the summer and i hear hes pretty good doing gears now.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 08, 2008, 01:08:29 AM
Shawn who?

Any news from the thunder car front, who's out and in? I know dave melson is in and chance isherwood, kyle baker is out....any others?
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: SpencerLewis on January 08, 2008, 02:30:17 AM
is chance going to race the thundercar for sure this year?
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: IntoTheWall on January 08, 2008, 10:21:19 AM
i will more than likely be back in the this year and hopefully my son will be in a car as well both in the charger division
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Doherty on January 08, 2008, 10:47:09 AM
Shawn Veenstra thats who. I know weird but he did learn something.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 08, 2008, 01:02:49 PM
haha, shocking reallly...i wanna put Rozzini to work...! As far as I know, the TC of Chance's is almost ready last time I saw it, just needs a pitman arm....the 4 Cyl. is for sale of theirs so if he wants to race I think thats his only chance...pardon the pun....but yea as far as I know I have talked to him a cpl times this winter and had brunch with him....he will be running the TC at Kawartha and Barrie.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on January 08, 2008, 01:39:29 PM
Look for Jerry Slavish in a New Gen Thunder as well!!!!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 08, 2008, 09:19:38 PM
Shawn Murray, who has disappeared form here, come to think of it, will be in a TC on his off weekends from pitting in NCATS.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: SpencerLewis on January 09, 2008, 12:15:18 AM
in kyle bakers car, if im not mistaken


who does he pit for in NCATS?
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 09, 2008, 12:25:37 AM
John Gaunt and yes in Baker's car...
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 10, 2008, 11:06:45 PM
I heard today that Temple's LLM will have a WHOLE LOT of Howard motor and to expect him to be a front runner this year. That'd be really good..get another person in the fight!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thunder6 on January 12, 2008, 02:35:32 PM
I gave Chance a metric pitman arm a while back... and I haven't seen his car yet either, but hopefully he will be ready.

I think in the Thunder Cars there will be pretty much the same crew as last year. I know of one new car other than those already mentioned. My friend who helped me out this year, Ken Denhollander (#3) has his car coming along quite nicely.

Dave Melson's car is coming along as well, I saw it in December. Looking good.

I haven't touched my car since September. Guess it's probably time to start :) Steeve Melson will be making a couple starts at least in my car. No New Gen this year. At least not for the season opener.

Not much other news here...

Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 14, 2008, 09:02:26 PM
that sux Kev, I was looking forward to seeing yah with a new gen! message me onine next time you get a chance...you might be able to grab one just yet...lol
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: charger on January 15, 2008, 08:59:10 AM
 ;) So when are we going to see you in a thunder car there thayne
new gen or otherwise ;D
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 15, 2008, 01:00:00 PM
haha...wwas hoping for this year, but my brother's lacrosse is takin goff big time....he is even being flown out to BC in March for them to take a look at him so I might be missing substantial time at the start fo the year as a result...I will hopefully be in one next year...it will be a new gen...just waiting for the official word from the bank of MOM....I have been able to get ceative though and I think I can find one pretgty cheap so it should be good! A lil more HP to carry my fat ass around!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: charger on January 15, 2008, 01:25:38 PM
 ;D From the sounds of it you are going to need a big hp built
engine, time to start saving up. the bank of MOM only can get you so far. lol
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 15, 2008, 04:16:18 PM
lol...its a BIG bank!!!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: charger on January 15, 2008, 04:57:07 PM
 ;D cool mind if i make a withdrawal, i can use all the sponser money i can get if i want to be competitive this year.
 8)
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 15, 2008, 05:15:25 PM
lmao...u have to ahve my orange card...they are not available to the public...sorry...lol
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: charger on January 16, 2008, 01:24:33 PM
 ;D well you cant blame a guy for trying. guess i just have to steal all your cheating note instead. LOL
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on January 26, 2008, 04:21:15 PM
So back to the original question, this is what I'm hoping to see in respect to car counts this year!!! LLM 16- 18 cars is fine with me, any more is a bonus!! Thunder 20-22 cars!! Will continue to be the best attended class as well as it has been for racing action over the last 3 or 4 years in my opinion. Pure Stocks 18 cars and Charger 20 and I'd be fine with that on such as tight track!! Should be alot of good runners in the Pure Stocks as well from the sounds of it!!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thunder6 on January 27, 2008, 09:08:16 AM
Hey Dave are you still doing the write-ups this year?

If you do it then Thayner can concentrate on driving his race car and probably win one or two!

My new paint scheme is dedicated to you bud... wait and see :) You're gonna like it for sure.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: bigdog44 on January 27, 2008, 10:09:35 AM
Blackflagagain  Wouldn't 28 to 30 Limited Lates at Barrie and running a consi or B main make for some awsome racing ?  Now that would be a Saturday night shoot out. Do any members have any ideas on how to attract that many cars to Barrie ? Perhaps with a special purse for the B main ? Random finishing draw or something ? I would step up to joint sponsor some thing like that with my company ( Big Dog Tire Recyclers ) if we could pull someone else in for the other half ? Any ideas or other sponsors willing to step up ? I'm sure we could sell that idea to management !! That would help attract other LLM's who might think that they can't run up front so they don't travel the distance to Barrie ? Any interest or input ?
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: hellothere on January 27, 2008, 12:16:58 PM
its nice to see fresh ideas like this bigdog and someone who is willing to put their money where their mouth is. Barrie will be a better place to have you back
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Racer on January 27, 2008, 12:43:08 PM
Simple answer on how to get 30 LLM's to barrie.   Run Sunset Sundays and Barrie Saturday or vise versa and you would get your cars.   Do a joint point fund between the 2 tracks for a overall champion.   We know that this will never happen but it is the only way you will ever see that many cars at Barrie and just think how good the racing would be.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: sleepy11 on January 27, 2008, 01:36:16 PM
 Racer you are absolutely right especially about that it will never happen .

    The only thing that could happen is something like a six race Sunday afternoon series alternating Sundays between Barrie and Sunset with at lest 2 weekends off between events. That spreads the racing over 15 weeks giving teams twice as many sundays off as they are racing . Make them 50 laps for LLMs , 40 laps for TCs , and 30 laps for MSs . Time trial all of them then run a 10 lap Trophy Dash for the six or eight fastest cars in each division and a 10 lap fat chance for the non qualifiers and thats it . Keep the show short and sweet and invert the top 10 cars for the features. Offer a modest point fund for the first year to get guys to come out to all six races.

  I can see it now The Big Dog Summer Shoot Out Series
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thunder6 on January 27, 2008, 03:11:03 PM
Me thinks you guys are dreaming...

Nice thoughts and ideas, but I don't think it would ever happen. Now what was the name of the certain Eagles album?

After all we are talking about Sunset and Barrie...

I enjoyed the Frosty Special, and I will be attending more Invi's but these ideas I think will remain just that. 41 Thunder Cars showed up for that event, but there was no other racing in Ontario that weekend.

Big Payouts may entice some LLM Shootout action at BSW. Big Dog is on the right track with some corporate money to help out. The NASCAR membership issue would of course have to be worked out. Big Dog do you have any Corporate friends who might be as generous as you?

Title: Re: car counts
Post by: bigdog44 on January 27, 2008, 05:58:53 PM
Sorry I can't think of any right now. My thoughts were having of course more than 18 LLM so that they run a B main. If the B main had say even 6 or 8 cars or more hopefully, they would run for 8 spots in the A main. You would have a fan from the crowd draw a number from a hat on the final lap of the B main race and announce the finishing winner at the drop of the checkered flag ( Due to cars having radio's of course ) If the fan drew the number 7 for instance then the car that finished the race in 7th place wins the Lucky Dog Award of say $400 and the driver who collects the most Lucky Dog Awards throughout the year wins the Big Dog trophy at the end of the year with a $1,000 bonus and bragging rights. In the event of a tie, the driver with the most points wins ( To keep up attendance ) I don't think that drivers would dog it in the regular heats to get into the B main due to the fact that it is a random draw. This helps the drivers who can't run up front with racing expences and helps in a small way to keep them in the game. Sound OK ?
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thunder6 on January 27, 2008, 06:17:12 PM
Sounds real good...

How about making this award for Thunder Cars :)

Racing is expensive, we all know that. If you want to add some prize money, the racers are going to appreciate it.

Big payouts attract lots of cars. We've all seen that from events like the World 100.

I'm sure this will help out some people who wouldn't necessarily win the big money. I got $100 from a Blue Jay Catering prize draw last year and that was pretty cool.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: axle on January 27, 2008, 06:49:49 PM
 if barrie wants the best show with the most cars the answer is simple......by sunset fill it in and sell the land!now were are all those racer gona go?sure some may go to peterbough, kawartha,but most will go to barrie.then you would have 30 llm, 40 thunder 50 minis scrap the chargers (sorry charger)and you have the best show with the stands full every sat night!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 27, 2008, 08:13:20 PM
That is the big business way of doing things unfortunately...it is a really good idea though! lol....I really think that Big Dog is on the right track..money brings in racers and more racers bring in more money (fans, sponsors, etc)
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: axle on January 27, 2008, 08:27:07 PM
big dog talks big but.....................remeber that mini stock race he was spose to sponsor?he was going to do twobut only did one!is this just a way so he dosn't have to go through tec?lol
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: bigdog44 on January 27, 2008, 08:57:29 PM
Sorry to correct you one more time Axle but I was not the sponsor on the second race or rather the third as I sponsored 2 races previously the Thermo Block 50 and the Dog Tail 50 the Dogapac 50 was no longer my company that year. As far as the new owner she wasn't impressed with the manners of some people so she cancelled it. As far as going through tech, if that will satisfy your insatiable appetite for drama then you know what they say, put up your money !!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 27, 2008, 10:53:54 PM
flmao..more drama in the winter time...who cares fellas...just let it go...
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on January 27, 2008, 11:25:45 PM
Theres alot of really good ideas here in regards to a proposed LLM series!!! I do think the way to tackle it for this year would to be have 1 or 2 big money specials for these guys ( similiar to the APC at Delaware idea). Then maybe for 09 try to put the proper infrastructure together to run the six race format idea similiar to the former ALSTAR series. This is something that I'd like to get involved in personally, including volunteering my time doing the write ups and helping out however I could!!  I know Greg at Inside Track pretty well as well as most of the guys at the local papers and T.V stations so I dont think getting the coverage in the Barrie area would be a problem. I do agree that Barrie and Sunset would be the ideal two tracks to get on board first as far as the driver roster goes, but can you realistically make that happen?? I sure think Spencer and Dave Bradley as co announcers would be very entertaining and would add to the show from all accounts. The one idea I didnt really like was the time trial to qualify idea as I personally prefer heat races but the time trials might save on damage as well!!!!LOL So I guess what I'm sayin is I would be negoiatable to either way!! My next question is how long to make the races?? 100 laps?? Twin 75s run in reversed order from first 75 finish?? It is very nice to see you returning to Barrie indeed BIG DOG and I do really hope we can see our fields increase weekly or at least have a few specials for LLM  to attract new cars and showcase what a beautiful track Barrie is, but just how you go about it will always be a mystery!!LOL I do think alot of the times the races where there are 18 cars sometimes seem to go off better than the ones we've had with 20 plus LLM's starting and are better races too for some strange reason, so getting 18 regular weekly guys would be quite fine with me for this year. But if you want to get involved in sponsorship by all means do it this year as well!!! Why dont you just have a lucky dog weekly $200.00 draw for drivers finishing 6th- 18th (or however many cars attend )and then offer the 1000 or 1500 dollar bonus for the most lucky dogs at the end of the year?? This to me would be a good idea and might help attract some guys that might not be necesssarily your front runners to keep attending each and every week.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on January 27, 2008, 11:41:56 PM
And TEX cant wait to see the car!!! I'm guessin the Texas flag paint scheme??? That will look sweet if indeed the case!! I got a couple good slogans for your bumper!!! How bout the traditional " GOD BLESS TEXAS" or you can go with " If you dont like country music then kiss my A**!!!!"LOL or your "Dont mess with Tex" would also fit quite nicely pal I look forward to seeing it! Gonna stick with #6 this year as well???
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: bigdog44 on January 28, 2008, 07:25:04 AM
Yes Blackflagagain I guess 26-30 LLM's is unrealistic, its too bad. At the end if last years season,2nd or 3rd last night of racing the car counts were sad. This is only my 4th year of racing but I have noticed sponsor money for drivers dwindling, they want to give product or service rather than hard cash now. It's making it real tough now for drivers with a little or a lot of bad luck to keep a car on the track.  I know that we as drivers depend on track management and promoters to recruit sponsors for races so that we can continue to race, however the drivers can help too with very simple gustures. Every week BSW has a sponsor for that night of racing and they are usually in the VIP booth under the announcers. I try my best each week to make the trek over there to introduce myself to them (usually after the heats) and thank them for thier support on behalf of myself and the Pure Stock drivers. (when I was in Pure Stock) Some of them are quite amazed that I would come all they way over there and thank them, I think it makes them feel that they are part of the racing game. It's a lot of fun to go through the grand stands and talk to the kids anyway and when a 5 year old says I love you big dog it makes all the other crap worth while. Just think about it, if you are polite and make a good impression, and for heavens sake,get the guy's card you never know who will sponsor you next year. Do you remember a certain major oil company sponsoring a night 2 years ago ? I do as I had 15 cases of oil delivered to me the following week with a note thanking me for a great night of racing. At the very least they will remember and cheer for you in the feature lol !!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: charger on January 28, 2008, 08:38:50 AM
I personally like the lucky dog award, as a previous winner of this award the xtra cash is sometimes what makes it so you can come out the next week. give it back to us pure stocks. no hard feelings there axle i know you don't like the chargers and thats your opinion
i think you are missing the chance of seeing new blood cooming up in the ranks but......
in any case i think these new ideas have some merit and should be discused with management
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Puppydogs on January 28, 2008, 12:23:57 PM
You know that DogTail race back in 06 for the 4cyl. was probably the most fun I saw those guys have all year. It was my son's first year of racing with many disappointments, with car issues, all the bugs to iron out, but he had a blast that night, good fun between race mates. Would love to see something like that again, might actually be good for the charger division, as it would promote better control and accuracy in handling the cars, you have to be pretty persise to get that tail off.. anyway it was a laugh to watch....
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thunder6 on January 28, 2008, 01:09:36 PM
Dave...

Yes the car will be #6 as usual... the paint you will have to wait and see. Thanks for the suggestions, I have some others you will like.

Good to hear you're coming back for the write-ups.

Big Dog now's the time to organize some special races, while the schedule is being worked out.

Everybody loves a special race event, 50, 75, 100 lappers...
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 28, 2008, 01:51:49 PM
Dave...

Yes the car will be #6 as usual... the paint you will have to wait and see. Thanks for the suggestions, I have some others you will like.

Good to hear you're coming back for the write-ups.

Big Dog now's the time to organize some special races, while the schedule is being worked out.

Everybody loves a special race event, 50, 75, 100 lappers...

I agree with all points....talk to the managers of the track now...or it will be too late..the ideas are awesome and if the two teacks could work together on something like this the racing would be awesome and you can rest assured that the stands would be FULL!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: mipro on January 28, 2008, 03:20:36 PM
Dave...

Yes the car will be #6 as usual... the paint you will have to wait and see. Thanks for the suggestions, I have some others you will like.

Good to hear you're coming back for the write-ups.

Big Dog now's the time to organize some special races, while the schedule is being worked out.

Everybody loves a special race event, 50, 75, 100 lappers...

I agree with all points....talk to the managers of the track now...or it will be too late..the ideas are awesome and if the two teacks could work together on something like this the racing would be awesome and you can rest assured that the stands would be FULL!
Lets hope guys like big dog get talking to track management now before its too late,and hopefully barries management and sunsets management can get together before schedules are finalized and get some sort of combined mini series for these guys,i can tell you it would fill the stands, and im sure we would see a ton of cars too example frosty fest.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: charger on January 28, 2008, 03:32:12 PM
yeah a similar idea to the old simcoe county shoot out execpt
with out peterpatch just cause its so far away.
could do it on long weekend sundays minis thunders and lates
wouldmake for some great shows
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on January 28, 2008, 03:53:31 PM
Well right off the top of my head I could think of a few big dollar sponsors that might like to get involved in sponsoring such a series!! How bout the CENTENNIAL PLYMOUTH CHRYSLER summer shoot out?? G.D Coates SUZUKI summer shoot out??? St . Onge Recreation Summer Shoot out??? Blue Jay Catering summer shoot out??? ( providing Nigel isnt sponsoring Tommy or that idea might not be the best) Ken McKinnon Construction summer shoot out?? And these are just guys I know from the racing circles already!!! I think we should build on these ideas and propose them to management as well (it cant hurt!!!) Even if we get one or two specials for this season that would be good and then as I say work on building our ideas into a series for 09. I do think it would be possible for this season as well, but to do it properly it would take a full season to organize and get it up and running!!! My take is that if your going to do something put the effort in to do it right the first time that way you avoid leaving a bad taste in peoples mouth a la the WWS!!!! And I know I might take some bashing for suggesting Coates get involved with this, but the one thing about him is he loves his racing and while he can be hard to approach (as far as I hear anyways) I think hes one guy that would be an easy sell on getting involved in some sort of sponsorship level!! And there would be zero conflict of interest with Coates as well as we all know the car hes most involved with races NCATS!!!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 28, 2008, 04:35:52 PM
good points BFA

I think coates would be a good sponsor...problem is i think it might be near impossible for the two tracks to organize this...
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: charger on January 28, 2008, 04:38:25 PM
with the new owners maybe some of the old animosity will be gone
and we can all just get on with racing ;D
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thunder6 on January 28, 2008, 04:44:08 PM
Corporate sponsorship money is going to help, that's for sure.

I know dirt racing is a little bit different, but those guys get hundreds of cars from all over the U.S. showing up for a $10,000 to win show... Think about a $5000 to win show in Central Ontario.

A Simcoe County Shootout series would be very cool. Maybe a 4 race series, 2 at Barrie, 2 at Sunset, with the overall points winner declared the Big Dog Simcoe County Champion.

You could run the events on a Friday or a Sunday, or on a night the LLM are off at one of the tracks.

Now how about a big Thunder Car superbash, BBQ and race extravaganza? Like the Autumn Colors or Frosty but not cold... Now you're talking :) I'm a little biased...  ;D
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thunder6 on January 28, 2008, 04:47:20 PM
Maybe SpencerLewis can give his opinion of the "What if" scenario we're talking about here.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Mobil1fan on January 28, 2008, 04:54:47 PM
Dear Competitors/Fans:
We've never really worked together on something that's lasted more than 2-3 seasons, so why start now?
Sincerely,
Ontario Trackowners
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thunder6 on January 28, 2008, 05:11:29 PM
Everyone should just give up and live in their own little world I guess.

There was some talk on here last year about some kind of Thunder Car Super Series. Nothing came of that, but I think some people were very enthusiastic about it.

If the owners don't want to work together, or with the competitors/fans, it will be their loss of revenues. What we have suggested may help them and it would be in their interest to listen to a proposal.

The week after a race / series of races, Sunset and Barrie are still going to be there. One of them will not disappear overnight. I think some things have been accomplished through this site, and personal relationships made can help everyone involved. Will it make me change my allegiances? No. And I believe that to be true of most racers.

Can't get too far without trying new things. Or attempting things more than once if it doesn't work the first time.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Mobil1fan on January 28, 2008, 05:15:13 PM
Don't get me wrong, I'm in favor of something like that (in fact I believe it's a necessity) and most people are, but in order for this to work, things between the tracks (even province-wide) have to be in place that if they were, we'd already have something like this...
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on January 28, 2008, 05:18:35 PM
I personally like the idea of having these proposed races on a Sunday!!! Like was suggested earlier in  here give the drivers at least 2 or 3 weekends off between races. This would allow the drivers some family time as well,  as we all realize that racing isnt the be all to end all in our lives!! I just think it might be harder to have these races on a Friday night as alot of the drivers could have work commitments or just would be too rushed to make it out to a Friday show and some might not even try if there crew members had these type of commitments as well!!! The one thing thats a downfall to Sunday racing is that most people like Sun for a family day, and might choose to do other things as opposed to racing!! But between Barrie and Sunset there would be enough of a fan base of regulars that this idea would thrive, and your right I could see thousands of fans showing up once word got out how good the racing product would be!!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thunder6 on January 28, 2008, 05:23:31 PM
I understand your point Mobil1.

I agree that some things should (maybe don't necessarily HAVE to) change.

Nobody else seems to be working on the problem. Or even talking about it. And sometimes just blindly ignoring the fact that the other group/s exists.

There are some spectacular opportunities here. That's probably why this topic keeps reappearing in different forms.

Just my opinion of course. One stakeholder of many (fans, competitors, management, staff), all of whom have an opinion.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: bigdog44 on January 28, 2008, 05:53:41 PM
That would be an awesome shootout with cars from both tracks competing together. Even a small series like 3 races each at Sunset and Barrie. I think that Gord would be approachable on this. I have known him for 30 years and he sure loves his racing also he would get incredible exposure for his dealerships too. I just don't know if there is time to pull this off in time for this year.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: hill3 on January 28, 2008, 05:58:55 PM
just out of left Field but maybe drivers/carowners could set it up and then present it to the tracks.better yet rent the tracks let the drivers do it themselves and keep all the money.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: taj 2 on January 28, 2008, 08:27:14 PM
This is an excellent idea in theory, but, I don't believe it can fly until the cars involved operate out of the same rule book. All the drivers would be to worried about "home track rule advantages". It's pretty tough to convince track management to put their differences aside, when most drivers won't. The Frosty special was the perfect example. Everyone always bashes Glenn for not allowing New Gens. at Sunset. For those of you that where there, you know that the #2 new gen was there, courtesy of Sunset management, and it turned out it was drivers, including a couple of Barrie cars that did the crying, not Glen.  As far as LLM goes, I think it would go the same way. It seems like eveytime a good thing comes around, we as racers, shoot ourselves in the foot.  A couple of years ago, at the Barrie LLM drivers meeting, Blue Jay announced a very high paying deal, but after all the crying for the next 30 minutes, it got shelved.
   With the track record of stalled programs here in Southern Ontario, other than those actually racing, I don't see any major tittle sponsors beeting down promoters doors. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on January 28, 2008, 09:18:06 PM
Wow TAJ holy negativity on ya!!!LOL I do think you could make the idea work as far as the sponsorship goes you just need the right person to present it!! And as far as the drivers go as long as you kept the # of races at Sunset and Barrie the same what could there be to complain about as far as a home track advantage goes??? And even better still if you dont like it dont race?? Keeps things simple doesnt it??? I think if put on properly you would have at least 25-28 of the better LLM from both Barrie and Sunset that would show up for every race be it a 4 or 6 race series as has been previouslly mentioned!!!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Doherty on January 28, 2008, 09:24:21 PM
Well from what I have been told the new owners hold Barrie in a higher regard than other tracks in Ontario due to them being Nascar and have no interest in working with others, i mean i would love to see a shoot-out with points and everything, but if it going to even get off the ground the owners need to have a meeting and then they need a sponsor and it needs to happen quick, cause with most touring series schedules announced its pretty easy to see how schedules are going to look for 2008.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: axle on January 28, 2008, 09:32:52 PM
the 2 car was there cause you work there!you your self caused most of that camoution,telling them that the 44 and 00 had weight penalty's at Barrie, when they finished 1,2 after that it was posted on the web site that new gens are not welcome..if this did come together it would be a great series to watch i would involve thunder cars and minis and make it a sunday afternoon show!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: SpencerLewis on January 28, 2008, 10:11:38 PM
you folks realize making this happen for 2008 would pretty much be a physical impossibility

are we forgetting the issue of insurance? among other things?
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on January 28, 2008, 10:27:08 PM
For sure Spencer at least I realize that!!! I do think it possible for Sunset and Barrie to have one big race for the LLM this year but your right the insurance would most def be an issue needing to be resolved to have the six race series around for the long term!!! My point is that it isnt too early now to start with these plans for the 09 season!! Like if you get some good sponsorship commited and in place first, the rest would fall in line quite naturally I feel!! I would even go so far as to ask the Barrie regular LLM drivers myself and see how many would be interested in such a thing for 09.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 29, 2008, 01:01:18 AM
Never thought about that Spencer, but perhaps you should atleast put in your $0.02
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: bigdog44 on January 29, 2008, 07:50:25 AM
How about a compromise for 2008. A small series of say 2 races, 1 at Sunset and 1 at Barrie, do both on a Sunday afternoon in say late August and book it in now but not on any Sunday that would interfere with another tracks Sunday invitational. You could run heats, a consi and a main feature. Also throw in a pure stock A feature in the middle before the LLM A main to bring up the fan count. This would go a long way to start a relationship between two competing tracks. They would both benefit the same from this mini series with the hope of growing it into a much larger one the following year. It could be promoted to the public as a rival shootout between 2 rival tracks making for some great hype and action. I think Spencer could certainly bring that point to life along with Dave doing the write ups. This would set very good building blocks to build on for the following year. With any reasonable success a large corporate sponsor would want a piece of that next year. Call it The Simcoe County Shootout or something like that. Sorry about keeping this going but I hate to give up on anything !!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Mobil1fan on January 29, 2008, 12:38:16 PM
If you want it that bad, you could make it "unofficial", with a "random" sponsor saying "You'll get paid X amount of dollars, depending on where you finish, for showing up for this race at Barrie and this race at Sunset..."
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on January 29, 2008, 04:18:38 PM
For sure dont give up BIG DOG!!!! I think if we get the right people involved theres no time like the present to get this going!!! I tell you one thing quitting isnt in my blood either and contrary to popular belief I am somewhat intelligent and have a certain way around words!!LOL I would even go so far as to approach some local businesses myself to see who we might be able to get involved in at least coming up with the $$ to have at least one race at each track!! I think that would be the building block for the series in 09. And I have a few really good ideas on how to attract lots of cars to show up as well!!! The nascar license would have to be worked out for sure but I dont think the extra insurance would be too pricey for a one day race event!! There is alot of small things you woulndt think of first hand such as booking the Paramedics and getting the speedway officals to commit as well but I think we could make this happen for sure!! Maybe we should meet for coffee one night BIG DOG and discuss the possibilities and good ideas on who to approach for sponsorship!!! Let me know what you think! I'm free most nights but we'd have to meet in Barrie at a Timmy's or something!!!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: flybyya8 on January 29, 2008, 10:24:45 PM
 Race track promoters are busness people. I would imagine if they are making money the bottom line is the bottom line.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Mobil1fan on January 29, 2008, 10:30:42 PM
If you want this thing to work for 2009, as competitors you need to be on your best behavior and look your best for 2008...
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: bigdog44 on January 30, 2008, 05:36:14 AM
Flybyya8 and Mobil 1 fan you guy's are absoulutly correct. Blackflagagain Timmys sounds great....Do they allow dogs ?
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on January 30, 2008, 04:47:27 PM
 Well BIG DOG as I said I'm mostly free any night, although this coming weekend I'm quite busy, but why dont you pick a night next week to meet at say 8pm?? How bout the Timmy's on Huronia and Big Bay Pt. road???? You know the one I mean??? What I'm wondering myself is : at the Barrie drivers meeting was the possibility of special races for LLM even mentioned at all?? If so how did the new ownership react to that possibility?? Anyone out there in the know about that?? I'm at least glad I have something to be excited about for these races (if they get off the ground) and the possibility of the LLM series in 09 cause to be honest while I love the weekly racing we currently have it needs some new life and something different from time to time!!! Like last year all we had at Barrie was 50 and 35 lappers with a couple time trialed events and that to me gets kinda hum drum year after year, with no visiting drivers even getting the oppertunity to come drive at Barrie and see what a fine track and facility it is!!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: smokinjoe00 on January 30, 2008, 05:40:56 PM
i know that if barrie had some thunder specials this year that would allow visiting drivers i know for sure that a few from sauble like myself would go>>>
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 30, 2008, 05:48:17 PM
yea, Barrie ahs a beautiful track but we are kinda a club tracj unfortunately with no invis...it makes us seem above others and we dont want that perception i don;t think...
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on January 30, 2008, 06:15:02 PM
Ya and if I remember correctly you Sauble Thunders didnt fare too badly at our season ender in 06. Including Dan Wright walking off with the win while Davenport finished 3rd and you yourself had a top 5 down here I believe Smokin Joe?? Let me ask you do you think any of the Sauble LLM guys feel the same as you and would travel to one or two big races down this way?? I know Wright races in LLM now and he usually does the year end specials as well as Jason Parker I believe that races the black #8!! Do you think others might attend races this way if the purse was adequate enough to justify making the trip??? I would love to see that !!! The Sauble LLM are a fine looking bunch of cars( going by the website) Do you know how many if any of the LLM guys there run crate motors???
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: smokinjoe00 on January 30, 2008, 08:24:19 PM
none of the sauble llm models run crates as they arent allowed to run them>>> u might see a few more of them travel this year with the rules helping them out a bit to compete with the crates>>they are allowed headers now at sauble>>>i know wright wants to travel a bit this year so if the specials were on sunday afternoons  and were for thunders as well i know u will see me there and probably davenport as well>> ive only run the new track once and that was the year end special 2 years ago where u are right...i finished 5 th..lol
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: bigdog44 on January 30, 2008, 08:29:45 PM
Blackflagagain    I'll let you know after the weekend which night will be good for me. As far as the Sauble cars that would be awsome to have them at BSW. I also met some LLM guys at Varney last summer also a great bunch of guys. I,m not sure about the Nascar membership thing though but maybe if it's on a Sunday it would not be a Nascar santioned event so maybe it would not apply. I know that we raced a Pure Stock event last year at BSW that was a non points night for us on a regular Sat night and we had Pure Stocks from other tracks without a Nascar membership. The drivers at Mosport were super too, they were very encouraging and helpfull to me on my first night in a LLM.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: flybyya8 on January 30, 2008, 08:38:16 PM
 There should be a loophole around the NASCAR thing. Its a good thing but it chokes the invi thing. Too bad you couldnt have a one event thing for drivers who want to try the place out. Might lead to a full time competitor the next year.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on January 30, 2008, 09:39:24 PM
Well best of luck to ya in 08 SMOKIN JOE!!!! I hope that we indeed have a Thunder special this year. Whether run in conjunction with a LLM special or not would be just pleasant to get other cars once in a while!!! How did you fair in the points up that way last year btw????
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 30, 2008, 09:58:52 PM
I think big dog is right...its only on sanctioned points races...BSW CAN have invis...but they choose not to.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: flybyya8 on January 30, 2008, 10:22:57 PM
 If they can have Invites why the hell would you not. Cant see them not making money at it.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 30, 2008, 11:21:52 PM
we ahd one last year...for four bangers only.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: charger on January 31, 2008, 11:49:46 AM
yeah and that was on a sat night so everyone else was running a points night so it was more of a regular night or a night off for the
4cyl, a couple of cars from kawartha came out but not many
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on January 31, 2008, 12:56:54 PM
yea, exactly....but we did hve a race w/o the NASCAR license so it is dooable.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: charger on January 31, 2008, 01:16:08 PM
 ;D for sure its doo able but it woul have to be on a sunday or a friday night that is not a points issue for any one else so that the car cout would be good or the payout would have to be high to entice people to miss one points night. jmho
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: username on January 31, 2008, 02:00:26 PM
friday you may crash out and be done for the next night, sunday gives you time to fix....
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: bigdog44 on January 31, 2008, 02:54:43 PM
Just a hair off topic here but can anyone tell me the list price of a GM 504 crate motor, new still in the crate ? I believe it is like the one that the Nextel cup runs ?
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: hill3 on January 31, 2008, 03:19:57 PM
is that the 575 hp one,is so price here was around $15,500.00
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: bigdog44 on January 31, 2008, 03:26:37 PM
Hill3 Thank you.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on February 10, 2008, 12:43:55 PM
 Have it on pretty good authority that Quesnelle will be back at Barrie indeed with my guess being about 90-95 percent attendance for him as he does take a week or two off for fishing trips!!! Hey BIG DOG when we havin that coffee?? I'm still waiting word but i think we should talk more about our ideas for the coming season as well as 09!! Just let me know a day and time???
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: bigdog44 on February 10, 2008, 04:57:33 PM
Hey blackflagagain pick any night this week, I'll be there !! PM me and let me know. Sorry I was sick last week, it was a bad case of jonesing for racing I guess.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: sleepy11 on February 10, 2008, 05:04:11 PM
 BigDog who are you going to have set up your car for Barrie since you obviously are not going to try to run a Mosport set up at Barrie ?

 Are you going to take the car back to Pottageville ?
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: bigdog44 on February 10, 2008, 06:05:13 PM
Sleepy11  I take it that Pottageville is were my car was built ? As far as set up I really don't know very much as to how to set up a LLM. I have someone to help me next year and set the car up to race Barrie. He has a lot of racing experience so hopefully all I have to do is try to drive the damm thing ! Sure miss the old dog car.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: sleepy11 on February 10, 2008, 06:34:11 PM
 Yes Pottageville was the birth place of that puppy and home of the guy that knows exactly what that car needs to go to Barrie . I recommend that you either take it to him or at lest make a phone call to him and see  what he thinks is the best direction to head with that car . Thats a good piece and should be more then competitive at Barrie but only if its set up right .
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on February 11, 2008, 04:07:56 AM
Hey Rick I sent you that PM!!! Let me know if you got it, as I'm really unsure how to use the PM system here and dont know if you received it or not!!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on February 11, 2008, 10:13:25 AM
Now lets review a little further and this is what I think the LLM field of weekly competitors might look like:::: 2-Brown  8-Lewis  10-Shepherd  13-Thornborrow 19-McLeod  23-Black  28-Jongen  48-Baker  55-Quesnelle  #69- Al Inglis  88-Beatty and the 97 of Rob Inglis all should be returning for full time schedules in 08 in my mind. Thats 12 pretty solid cars in my opinion. Add to that part timers 74 Manary and 36 Zutich that should probably do as many races as last season, and probably more in Zutich's case and that makes 14. Then you have 84-Kyle Baker  44-Rick Meyer and possibly 14- Keith Temple all competing for rookie honors and that gets us to 17 cars. If Mike Brown's crew man does indeed have another possible car coming out that could make 18. Then you have the possibility of maybe Walters and Walt making the jump from Sunset, and that could potentially get us to 20 cars. And then you have McWhirter,Malcolm, and Brandon Watson that could do selected appearances if some of the things I'm hearing are true and that could be 23 cars!!!! Wishful thinking???????......... OR NOT!!!!LOL but the point I'm trying to get across is I dont think its a stretch this year to get 18 regular guys and that to me is a good basis for better things to come.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: sleepy11 on February 11, 2008, 10:32:23 AM
 This is not rumor and i am speaking on first hand infomation from 3 weeks ago Walters is staying at Sunset and Walt is going to switch to Barrie .

* Reading some old and very funny threads from here shouldn't Lewis always be referred to as "Show stopper"  ?
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on February 11, 2008, 10:55:42 AM
Well as for Walters, I'd start believing where hes running opening night!! Even if you heard that from his own mouth SLEEPY!!!!LOL Tommy likes to keep people guessin like that, I have known him for years myself!! But if he stays at Sunset all the power to him, and I hope him and Morrow have a good title chase. And I know Walt as well, and have heard from him in past years he's making the switch so who really knows but I have no reason to doubt your info as I havent talked to either one since racing season. But as I said in a past post in the last 2 or 3 years when Walt has run Barrie he run well there!! I hope he does come to Barrie another stout runner for 08!!!!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on February 11, 2008, 12:04:14 PM
that sounds like a decent enough field for this year....
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on February 28, 2008, 06:10:33 PM
I did hear that Greg Callow was coming back to drive in LLM. This got me wondering if he will be the driver for Mike Brown's crew man who apparently purchased a chassis in the off season. There would be the connection through the former TWO TIME team of years past, so this made sense to me. I think thats a chassis from a former Al Inglis/Roger Laguenesse LM so should be a pretty decent car if I'm piecing this all together right??? Anyone else hearing anything regarding Callow???
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: SpencerLewis on February 28, 2008, 06:13:49 PM
i thought mike browns crew guy bought keith temples car
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on February 28, 2008, 06:32:19 PM
Ya Keith told me his former chassis was from an ex Alan Inglis/ Roger Laguenesse Dodge!!! I think its the former blue LM they had!! The orange one is currently run at Sunset as I'm sure your aware by Cicarelli as far as I know, and Al campaigns the former red LM/Alstar car now in LLM at Barrie. Roger and Al had 3 LM in the day and I'm pretty sure this is the current status of all these cars!! Not totally sure about the Cicarelli car though SPENCER!!! Can you fill me in on the history of that one or am I indeed correct???
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: SpencerLewis on February 28, 2008, 06:33:16 PM
i know poole's car is an ex-roger the dodger car

but i dont know which one

cicarellis car is an old donaldson car
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on February 28, 2008, 06:39:48 PM
Ok didnt know for sure!! I did hear Mauricio's car was a former Donaldson car as well. I was just going by John Inglis who told me the former orange LM was at Sunset so I assumded it was Cicarelli. But maybe it is the Poole car that was the third LM of the former Inglis/Laguenesse stable! Very interesting none the less!!!LOL
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: racerchick on February 28, 2008, 10:22:24 PM
Can tell you that Temple's old chassis was Blue....
Well the tin was if I remember correctly
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Amanda16 on February 29, 2008, 01:03:35 PM
Maurizio's car was built in 02' by Jimmy Ward for Kyle to run at Kawartha with, that same year Ward built another identical LLM for Kyle to run at Mosport. "twin cars"

In 04' I bought the LLM he ran at Mosport and a year later Maurizio bought the other one to start the 05' season at Sunset.


Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on February 29, 2008, 05:15:37 PM
Thanks for the clarification Amanda!! Are you returning to run a full sched in 08?? Any chance of any Barrie appearances for you??? I know from what I heard you tend to like running the larger tracks, so maybe a full Kawartha season?? Well best of luck wherever you decide to campaign and hoping to see you during the season somewhere!!! Sweet 16 fan!!!!LOL
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: mipro on February 29, 2008, 06:30:55 PM
Thanks for the clarification Amanda!! Are you returning to run a full sched in 08?? Any chance of any Barrie appearances for you??? I know from what I heard you tend to like running the larger tracks, so maybe a full Kawartha season?? Well best of luck wherever you decide to campaign and hoping to see you during the season somewhere!!! Sweet 16 fan!!!!LOL
Dave you womanizer,always trying to pick up the women,anyways get in line.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Amanda16 on March 03, 2008, 10:15:24 AM
Hey guys, yep full season for me in 08'!!! Me, Kelly and his Dad have had the car ready since Christmas!! We're definately excited, been a few years since we ran for points! Haven't decided where yet though, but i'll tell you what you heard about the big tracks is wrong, I love the short tracks more than anything, always have. Kawartha is certainly out though, Kelly works late on Fridays and I work in Concord till' 4, just too much of a rush to get out that way in time. Thanks for the well wishes, we're hoping for a great season in 08'.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Pinecrest on March 03, 2008, 11:49:30 AM
I'm seeing three of the four sections of the CoC being broken here. Clean it up.

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Title: Re: car counts
Post by: charger on March 03, 2008, 11:57:24 AM
 ;D ah i see pincrest is back

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  Will you be pushing around any senior citizens like last year and will your boyfriend be taking any cheap shots at drivers why they are belted in the car ?   Just wondering as i hope to catch yours and Kelly's act before you start running North Bay or some where further away .
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Amanda16 on March 03, 2008, 02:53:41 PM
well I guess we'll just have to see won't we?
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: mipro on March 03, 2008, 04:22:42 PM
well I guess we'll just have to see won't we?
Come race at sunset,dont listen to pinecrest,we would love to watch you race every week.You have an awfull lot of fans that would really like to see you at sunset.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on March 03, 2008, 08:12:04 PM
Well if I get a vote in this I'm booking Amanda for BSW!!!!LOL I say this cause I felt she ran really well there when she ran a few weeks at the beginning of the 05 season. I dont think she was quite on pace with the fastest guys at the time( Walters, Watson, and Gaunt ) put she definitely didnt look outta place out there either. You know the old saying "Rome wasnt built in a day" well I think if Amanda had stuck it out in Barrie, it wouldnt of been long till she found herself at the front and winning races!! And no sucking up as you suggest MIPRO!!!LOL Amanda has long been a fav of mine dating back to the 2002 season when she ran Thunders. That was my Dads last season at Sunset and I didnt get to the races much myself (maybe 3 or 4 times) but everytime I was there it seemed Amanda won the feature and became my fav thunder driver at that time( sorry flyin franky!!!LOL).
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: llmfan on March 03, 2008, 09:37:43 PM
Thought Amanda was barred for life from Sunset from the last visit she had?! 
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Doherty on March 03, 2008, 10:27:35 PM
Never heard anything like that.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on March 04, 2008, 04:52:40 AM
I see they now have some of the registered drivers posted on the Barrie website. I counted 13 already registered in LLM and 21 already for the Thunders. Of note: Lots of new names in he Thunders!! Should be a interesting year in that division!! It appears Steve Quesnelle has changed his # to 5 from 55 after all these years, unless thats a misprint. And a new name is registered in the LLM as well, by the name of Sean Cronan that is registered as #84. Now I expect new names to be added at least weekly to this list, but this is a good start to indicate to me just how strong the Thunder field in particular will be at BSW this year. I did also see Garry Reynolds registered as well after hanging it up mid way through the season!! Would be great to have THE GAMBLER back as well as I didnt have him pegged in in my LLM car count for this season!!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Pinecrest on March 04, 2008, 10:45:36 AM
Thought Amanda was barred for life from Sunset from the last visit she had?! 

 I don't think thats true but maybe someone like Spencer Lewis could shed some light on that . I do know she shouldn't have even been running at Sunset that night since she was already under suspension at Peterborough at the time and your not suppose to be able to race at any of the other coalition tracks if your under suspension at one of them  .

  I think that Amanda would be welcomed back by JP , Basset or Glen Loyd as long as her and Kelly cleaned up their act . I don't know why they had so much trouble last year but it sure did follow them from track to track to track . Just so everyone knows i don't have anything against Amanda since i have seen her around the track from when her dad brought his first Street Stocker to Sunset and i think i was there the first night she ever got in a race car. I would even go as far as to say she is the best female driver currently in Canada . If Amanda is smart she will race at Sunset because thats where she goes best at and its closest to her home . That said her and Kelly are going to have to chill out this year or they wont last long anywhere  .
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: SpencerLewis on March 04, 2008, 11:29:22 AM
i think people throw around "banned for life" alot...not just at sunset but other tracks as well

and as far as i know theres only one individual banned for life from sunset and its not amanda
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: charger on March 04, 2008, 11:31:24 AM
do remember correct when i say that would be stormin normin stodard spencer ???
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: fanofracing on March 04, 2008, 11:37:08 AM

do remember correct when i say that would be stormin normin stodard spencer ???
[/quote]Didn't he race there at the frosty special?
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Amanda16 on March 04, 2008, 11:44:08 AM
Maybe I missed something, but I'm not banned from anywhere. Sunset is the closest track to my residence, but not the closest to the shop where our cars are kept. Didn't get banned from Peterborough either, I ran the next week at the Classic, never been thorwn out of Mosport and never was aksed to leave Sunset either. Sorry.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: latemodel28 on March 04, 2008, 07:38:39 PM
since we are on the subject of bans! If I can recall correctly I was banned 2x at sunset. Is there an award for that, have I broken a record! lol
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Pinecrest on March 04, 2008, 08:09:26 PM
since we are on the subject of bans! If I can recall correctly I was banned 2x at sunset. Is there an award for that, have I broken a record! lol

  I don't think so . Over the years the list is pretty long of people who have been banned or suspended or just told to take a week off .

 I still cant think who it is that Spencer is talking about that is suspended for life because all the drivers that i know who have received a life time ban from any track i can count on one hand . The one main thing that i have always thought deserved a life time ban is guys that go berserk with thier cars in the pits , driving at crazy speeds and almost running people over on purpose or not .
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on March 04, 2008, 10:14:10 PM
I think stormin' norman is the guy too..i heard that soemwhere.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: ministock19 on March 05, 2008, 08:52:55 AM
mcquirter(sp) from the alstar debacle a few years back.
Stoddard was at the frosty.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: bigdog44 on March 05, 2008, 05:42:23 PM
Well anyway back to Barrie Speedway. Got this from the speedway office this afternoon that Rogers cable will be at Barrie Speedway this year and will be broadcasting the races twice per week on the Rogers network and they are 2 hour shows. Now I have to watch myself run a bad line twice a week!! lol  Don't forget to add that one to your sponsor packages, it should help some, nothing like the power of a sponsor seeing them self on TV
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on March 05, 2008, 06:27:53 PM
NICE....too bad i dont live in Barrie...
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: racerchick on March 05, 2008, 06:29:46 PM
It's not going to be just in Barrie but on all Rogers channels
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on March 05, 2008, 06:33:18 PM
I live in the boons...no cable...we use the satellite!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: beleskey12 on March 05, 2008, 08:45:18 PM
thayne, if i'm not mistaken you can get a copy of the night on dvd the following week for a minimal fee. if they will still do it .
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on March 05, 2008, 09:00:46 PM
yea I know...i was the one who burned them...lmao...back in the day neways...
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on April 27, 2008, 09:44:55 AM
Well as Khane Freak said he wanted to start a new topic last week, I wanna be different and drudge up an old one!!!LOL I see the Barrie drivers list has now been revised to now have 18 registered LLM drivers. Of note I guess all those off season rumors of Jeff Walt at Barrie this year are true as hes one of the new additions. Ditto for the rumors of Larry Woodward buying Darin Malcolm's former #43 which Larry will run renumbered to his #50. And #69 Allan Inglis has returned to the fold as well. Thunders has the most # of registered drivers at 27 closely followed by the Chargers at 26. The Pure Stock A only has 15 but I imagine you can add Thayne for sure and maybe a couple others. I hope these registered drivers show up for the most part and should be a thrilling season opener.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: kmcleod on April 27, 2008, 11:39:02 AM
Hey Dave:  Larry Woodward bought the 5 car off the dutchman, don't think Malcolm has sold his car yet.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Justme on April 27, 2008, 11:55:47 AM
that 5 car bought from Peter Schotonus was the same car Baker ran a little with last year for Peter at Peterborough I think or Kawartha, not sure, but I know he ran it! I think it's an old Gaunt car...anybody know?>
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: flybyya8 on April 27, 2008, 12:34:26 PM
 I think it might just be the body. Makes sense if he purchased it that way pete possibly maintains it for him?.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: SpencerLewis on April 27, 2008, 12:36:25 PM
yah i thought it was just parts of an old gaunt body
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on April 27, 2008, 01:43:04 PM
yea, they just bummed the gaunt body and u can add me full time to the A's...not sure whats taking them so long there...
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: SpencerLewis on April 27, 2008, 01:44:03 PM
you running kawartha full time as well?
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on April 27, 2008, 08:58:33 PM
not sure at this point...it's a tonne of work...lol...will be able to tell yah fer sure in a couple weeks.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on April 29, 2008, 04:41:18 PM
Anyone know anything on what Scott Beatty is doing this year??? Thought it was odd he wasnt in the Bayfield Mall show, same as in past years!!!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Doherty on April 29, 2008, 05:24:28 PM
Cant remember where i heard but from what i recall hes just running special events this year.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: maddog on April 29, 2008, 05:34:34 PM
Anyone now what LLM were out at Barrie this past weekend practicing. 
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: baker.jr on April 29, 2008, 05:53:48 PM
44/5/10/28/18/84/17/2/42/13/97 that was about in for sundays  prac for the llm
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Doherty on April 29, 2008, 06:46:05 PM
how many thunders and minis?
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: bigdog44 on April 29, 2008, 09:38:34 PM
Lot's and lot's of mini's Doherty but not really that many Thunders considering the large number that are registered. I think a lot of drivers are still getting the cars ready. I hope we have a big show on Saturday, good luck to everyone and build them safe !!
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on April 29, 2008, 09:45:22 PM
Hey BIG DOG how did your car take to the Barrie track??? Or better still your driving skills in a LLM take to it??? Did you time any of your laps??? What were you running???
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: bigdog44 on April 29, 2008, 10:07:01 PM
Well we ran on 7 cylinders Sat but found a broken plug Sun morning. But still the fastest lap I turned was a 14.85 on Sunday. I'm still working on it but I do feel more comfortable on the Barrie track. I guess I need more seat time to run with the pack.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on April 29, 2008, 10:13:52 PM
Nothin wrong with a 14.85 on your first time driving a tricky track!! But your right the comfort level will only improve with added seat time!!! How many cars did they allow out for LLM practice all 11 that were there if you wanted to run??? Who looked fast???? How does Quesnelle's new car look??
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on April 29, 2008, 11:50:47 PM
Quesnelle's car looked awesome!I love it!

I think gordy looked fast and so too did jeff walt. i did not ahve a watch though

and Rick you looked very decent out there...well done...
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: SpencerLewis on April 30, 2008, 12:05:24 AM
where did quesnelle get the new car from?
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: blkflagagain on April 30, 2008, 12:10:22 AM
Well I actually think is the same chassis just reskinned to the modern body style I meant!!! I guess I should of asked how it appeared visually!!!LOL
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: bigdog44 on April 30, 2008, 06:49:26 AM
Yes we could all go out at the same time if we lined up and were ready to go. I found it much easier if you could chase someone instead of running by yourself.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: hellothere on April 30, 2008, 05:39:14 PM
was there watching you bigdog you where pretty smooth and had a good line
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: nascar329 on April 30, 2008, 06:18:25 PM
Quesnelle's car looked awesome!I love it!

I think gordy looked fast and so too did jeff walt. i did not ahve a watch though

and Rick you looked very decent out there...well done...

Does anyone know why J. Walt left Sunset? I wonder if it's due to Management !  ;D
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: SpencerLewis on April 30, 2008, 06:21:09 PM
Quesnelle's car looked awesome!I love it!

I think gordy looked fast and so too did jeff walt. i did not ahve a watch though

and Rick you looked very decent out there...well done...

Does anyone know why J. Walt left Sunset? I wonder if it's due to Management !  ;D
stop digging. its not.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: skidder on April 30, 2008, 08:40:02 PM
I think he finally realized that he cant compete against the better sunset drivers.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: SpencerLewis on April 30, 2008, 09:14:49 PM
its not that either though.

the guy was offered a ride, almost free of charge, to race at barrie.

you really cant blame him for going. i dont think (and i cant speak for him) that jeff has any ill will or hard feelings to any of the staff or management at sunset...he was just offered a really good deal and took it....
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: llmcrew on April 30, 2008, 09:16:52 PM
Maybe its because the Sunset drivers wouldn't give him more room to pass, he did go up to a couple of them and ask them for more room so he could get by.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Justme on April 30, 2008, 10:54:24 PM
Maybe Jeff just wanted some change within his racing career! Even the top drivers change their ways in their careers. Gotta try something new once in a while.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on April 30, 2008, 11:10:20 PM
Yea, I wouldn;t go digging for anything. I am sure it is just the deal and I don;t blame him as any support that is decent these days should be jumped on.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: lickit on May 16, 2008, 08:55:13 PM
hey who/where can you get the DVD of last weeks race from?
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Thayne on May 16, 2008, 10:03:43 PM
hey who/where can you get the DVD of last weeks race from?

I think you will find that u can buy them from rogers if u phone or email them.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: charger49 on May 17, 2008, 12:32:10 AM
I called Rogers and they are selling them for $35 + $15 shipping, very ridiculous, especially since us being in North Bay we are definitely not getting the races on TV and ordering them is the only way we can get them.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: Kahnefreak on May 17, 2008, 01:50:19 AM
Mike just ask us the #38 thundercar team and I am sure we can figure something out to let you borrow the tapes of the races from week to week or something.
Title: Re: car counts
Post by: charger49 on May 17, 2008, 02:22:02 AM
Thanks Steeve, I might wander by tomorrow. Good luck to the 38 team tomorrow.