Great Canadian 200

[tigeraid]

I figured tires were a big reason.

In fairness, Delaware has the "show must go on" thing down-pat too.  There's very little lost time, and everything runs smoothly and quickly.  I think that's true of any well-run track.

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[ernie]

In fairness, Delaware has the "show must go on" thing down-pat too.  There's very little lost time, and everything runs smoothly and quickly.  I think that's true of any well-run track.

Agreed.

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[streetstocker33]

it just seems that rather than finding an alternate place to race when their home track is off, they'd rather become spectators

count me in that group, i wouldve got sick of racing long ago if it wasn't for some relaxing nights just hanging out at tracks.

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[MARCH]

it just seems that rather than finding an alternate place to race when their home track is off, they'd rather become spectators

count me in that group, i wouldve got sick of racing long ago if it wasn't for some relaxing nights just hanging out at tracks.

same here like going to watch lot less workl lol and cheaper

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[Paul R. Hooker]

IF YOU PUT UP A BIG ENOUGH PURSE THE RACERS WILL COME. BUT IN ALL FAIRNESS THE ECONOMY IS HURTING ALL SPORTING EVENTS IN GENERAL. IT COSTS US $1,000 A NIGHT TO RACE AT DELAWARE. THIS YEAR MORE LAPS LESS MONEY. BUXTON CUT THE PURSE ALSO. CHEAPER TO PARK THE CARS. 6 LATE MODELS AT BUXTON.BUILT MOTORS PENALIZED BY WEIGHT. TO MUCH TECH FOR THE MONEY. IF YOU HAVE 6 TO 10 CARS PUTTING ON A CLOSE SHOW (NO PROTESTS) WEIGH THEM AND PUT THEM IN THE BOX.TRANSPONDERS TELL THE TIMES OF CARS DURING PRACTISE AND QUALIFYING AND DURING THE RACE...HOW CAN A GUY PICK UP HALF A SECOND FROM ONE WEEK TO ANOTHER....DING DING DING HE NEEDS TO BE TECHED...LOOK AT THE CONSISTENCE OF THE 81, 72, 38 (ONLY AS EXAMPLES) WEEK IN WEEK OUT I KEPT A CHART EVERY WEEK OF TIMES..HOW MANY WEEKS AND HOW MANY DIFFRENT WINNERS....GOOD CLOSE RACING.....SOMETIME TRACK OWNERS DON'T WANT TO LISTEN TO THE RACERS WHO ATTRACT THE CUSTOMERS..AND YES THE ALSTAR SERIES WAS ONE OF THE BEST SERIES

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[Shadowracer]

Just because we've strayed a little bit...what do you guys think could be done in the next month and a half that would bring a big field in for the 200?

With respect to Paul, I just don't think a big purse is the answer. Not sure what its set at this year, but previous years we've seen 10,000 to win and still have struggled bringing cars in from elsewhere.

I've floated the idea of a run-what-you-brung tire rule...but I don't think that will fly given the political climate. (it'd be nice to be wrong about that though...and I very well could be)

Any other idears?

As I've said earlier, i think you could write a novel on what's wrong with LM racing in Ontario...but turning a lot of that stuff around won't help us for this years GCR.

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[Dougy109]

There is A LOT of oldschool idealism at Delaware, and it hangs hard in the air. I will be blunt when I say this. There has been great improvements, but again the stand-alone rules screw counts. Many guys run different tires, across the board. Is there a way to even this up? If not find a solution for ALL tracks, next year. Work together, and get it done. If you stand alone, you will all die together. There's loads of LM parked, across this racing community, from the same issues. Lowered payouts, and guys not willing to fork out for tire rules. Either lighten rules across the boards, and work it out with either weights or something CHEAP for the guys... or keep going the way you are now....

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[tigeraid]

Maybe a run-what-u-brung format, any late model, then run time trials, and have everyone add handicap weight based on the times?

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[raceguy]

How about switching nights with the Friday night card.......the 200 lapper under the lights!!!


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[streetstocker33]

Maybe a run-what-u-brung format, any late model, then run time trials, and have everyone add handicap weight based on the times?

i even have the perfect name for it...."The
Great Canadian Sand-Bag-A-Thon" lol

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[JAMR2]

If you could just get the tracks to go to a common set of rules for LM for Ontario then you could get some more things to happen. Home track tires, OK, whatever. But make the rest the same for the province and everyone wins. Then the Great Canadian 200 could also be the All Ontario Late Model Championships final shoot out!!.

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[burbiotch]

If you could just get the tracks to go to a common set of rules for LM for Ontario then you could get some more things to happen. Home track tires, OK, whatever. But make the rest the same for the province and everyone wins. Then the Great Canadian 200 could also be the All Ontario Late Model Championships final shoot out!!.

After all the years and different rules packages we've seen between LM and LLM at all the tracks, I still think Kawartha went the smartest direction with ACT based rules...even though they ended up on an island.

Smaller motors (you could base with 602 instead of the ZZ4 ACT uses), 2 barrel carbs, 8 inch tires and rims, spec shocks, no bump stops/coil bind, no 2 speed trannies, no offset chassis, etc etc. I think its a great rules package for keeping costs down and keeping the cars slowed down some, which in my opinion allows for better competition.

The best late model race I've seen around here in the past 5 or more years was the 200 lap ACT show at Kawartha back in 2008 i think it was. It was a huge field and there was a ton of side by side racing. Part of that was the track and not the rules, but I think the theory holds.

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[MARCH]

at delly all 4bbl,almost all on bumps 99 %,all on 10 inch rims,almost all 2 speeds .....I cant see them going that way we only have 16 cars now if that was brought in they would have zero although there is a few 602 cars ,delly rules are fine the way they are ,

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[Dougy109]

No one saying Delly's rules are bad, the hard line is cost of tires. If you add in gear changes, travel time, fuel, possibly overnight accommodations,a race weekend can be staggering. All in all, finding a way to get people to the track, and continually returning is the key. Adding weight, or donkey-punching someone to slow them down doesn't always make them leave. I'm pretty sure most of us know of one track in the area that does enforce a good set of fairness rules, and regularly have B mains because there's too many cars. It sure as heck isn't the payouts, if you look at their structures. This doesn't work for all classes, LM's should be free to do a little more to get an edge to a point. I mean that is the essence of racing. Most teams race because they love it, obviously not to make money. But burning little Jimmy's college tuition to take the family racing for one night, puts people back a bit. Just saying.

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[shifty333]

Delaware and Flammy rules are the same now except the tires. Flammy uses the 10" American Racers because the owner or promoter has an in with that company. The rest of the province uses Hoosier 980s. Yes some guys run them on 10" rims but not all. That is beside the point. The problem here is that the only other Pro Late model track is running different tires than the rest of the province. The answer is not to bite the bullet and get the 10" American racers because it makes no sense. RUN what the rest of the province is on and right there you will gain a car or two. Delaware has done a good job also in the motor department they tacked on (too much) weight to the ASA motors and now they are at a disadvantage. But this was good. 15k for a motor is a little silly. Now you just need 10k for a rebuilt from Leitch and you can win races.

All in all the 200 will suffer this year, just like the 150 at sauble will suffer. Tire rules and motor rules bs keeps guys away. egos get hurt and pouty faces happen. But as Jesse put it in the free press a few weeks ago "You don't win a lot in this game, you need to be okay with that"

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