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Title: chaos cars
Post by: lovemesomeracing on July 07, 2009, 04:38:34 PM
ok so heres the thing.......i respect the work it takes time and money to build a chaos car, but, and this is a big but..... chaos cars suck to watch!!!!!!!!!! they are boring as hell, they do have some points where they are mildly entertaining but for the most part just plain boring.
 if u were to take a fan pole u would find that this would be the opinion of most fans..
last race there were 3 drunk guys in the beer garden who loved it and the rest wanted it to just end.
also anyone with ears will notice all of about 50-100 fans at the most actually clapping for the winners or when they are introduced..
 Now granted the chaos car race in theory is a great idea but for the idea to be succesfull u would need 12 plus car field and get rid of that stop box. seeing how the car count is not in the hands of delaware , there is really no other solution other then to give the chaos cars the axe.
just an opinion from a driver and a fan!!!
wondering what others have to say!
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: choirguy on July 07, 2009, 05:42:27 PM
I heard that if more cars don't show up That they will be getting the Axe  and boring is right  put them out of missery  We can't take it any longer LoL
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Snotrod on July 07, 2009, 08:58:13 PM
So what your telling me is that you want the speedway to "axe" a series that I love, and has me looking forward to comming out the track weeks in advance?  Its a shame you don't like it. If you saw the amount of Kids that I saw going nuts, you wouldn't be saying this. Its the kids that are the future of the speedway, and to "axe" an Entry level series that could lead to more drivers or more fans is outright Rediculous. Now that I'd had a taste of racing, I want to move up to Trucks or Enduro. See what I mean?

Just because you and a few other "Die Hards" don't enjoy it, doesn't mean everyone hates it.  I bet if you guys were to run one race, you'd change your tune real quick  ;)

Have a good night and I will see you all on Saturday July 18th!
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: choirguy on July 07, 2009, 09:28:13 PM
Kevin said he could use them to land on for his next Jump  All I see or here is nothing good  Kids are more excited to watch the other racing I believe then four or 5 cars running around doing stupid things  and as far as moving upa Thats what the Junior Latemodles are for.
 Thats why I live in Canada Freedom of speech is good
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: lovemesomeracing on July 07, 2009, 10:09:41 PM
chaos cars are not and i repeat not entry level....enduro is now and always has been entry level racing for adults...no offence snot rod its not the few die hards that dont like it...when u were standing on ur roof screaming when u won there was about 6 adults 15 kids and the announcer that were excited, noone else...u would get more driving experience driving go-carts at east park! and i am pretty sure they go faster then u do!!!!
i am not here to demean what u like to do just stating facts, the fans that come to watch enduro try to be late so they dont have to watch chaos cars and delaware was well aware of this so they put u in the middle of the event after our heat races so fans have no choice but too watch.
like i said b4. get 12 or more of those little cars on the track and maybe u got some entertainment but as it is right now,,,,GOTTA CUT IT OUT!!!
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Shadowracer on July 07, 2009, 11:06:55 PM
I love em. I won't say they're perfect, but I love them.

And frankly, I've seen enough smiles in the grandstands when they're running that it makes them worth keeping. Just watching 4 of them try and navigate a 360 degree barrel turn at the same time is ripping good fun in and of itself, and it would be sad to see them go.

Is the program perfect? No. In fact I believe the class suffers a bit of an identity crisis. It seems to try and be more than it really is, and no one seems to know what they're really all about or what their purpose is.

There's 2 main problems with the Chaos Cars, and a 3rd smaller one.

I believe that giving the thing a title sponsor and having a points series was a mistake. The whole point of the division was to introduce something lighthearted into the program, much in the same vein as the train races were years ago. To that goal, it succeeded pretty well. But when you start talking about points and title sponsors, it makes it sound pretentious. Personally, my solution would be to scrap the points, and invest in a belt...much like a Pro Wrestling Champ would wear. You win the race, you're the champ, until the next guy wins one. Sure, its cheese...but what exactly is this supposed to be anyway? Winston Cup?

The other one I've already touched on before, and that is barrier of entry. I might know nothin about nothin, but I knew car count would be a problem as soon as I heard that the cars were going to need cages. That's a lot of work and expense for what the class really is. Of course guys are going to be mad when they've put the time and money into the car just to have it bounced around like a pinball...except its in a division where you're pretty much SUPPOSED to get bounced around like a pinball. Its a catch 22.

Now, the track HAS had demolition derbies in the recent past, and likewise it also hosts King of the Hill events with regular street cars, not to mention jumping cars through campers - so there has to be some precedent for "non-roll cage" stuff. There has to be. And if the format for the Chaos cars will not fly with the insurance companies unless they have roll cages, then its time to reconsider the format. Maybe it should just be a figure 8 race on the frontstretch only, just like they do at the fair.

And i think it IS time to reconsider the format somewhat. (that's the third one) Last Chaos race that I saw had about 8-9 cars and it was an absolute hoot. But we need to consider, where are those 8 guys now and why aren't they here? If its cost, then bring the cost down. If its not fun, then make it more fun.

And as far as entertainment value for the folks in the stands, take a good look at each race. Analyze what made the crowd react, and what didn't make the crowd react. Then eliminate the stuff that didn't, and figure out a way to add more of the stuff that did. Stuff that works: Cars with names/themes, Barrell turns, lots of zigzagging, and spinning each other out. Stuff that doesn't work: Stop boxes. (there's other ways to equalize...like having a blocker car.)

Stock car racing, at its best, is a combination of sport and show business. And this Chaos racing HAS to be pure show business, and needs to be thought of as that and only that. We have 4 other divisions to provide the legit sport end of it.

I know the format can work and really hope it does. I find the Snot-rod and the Baron and all those guys a real breath of fresh air. And as much as I love my buddy Snot-rod, I've no desire to see him racing all by himself. And I want the Chaos cars to be something that fans bring their kids to see.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: lovemesomeracing on July 08, 2009, 12:31:19 AM
there is a million different ways to make chaos cars better i will agree to that..but i am in the stands when they race and have looked around and have not seen all these smiles u refer to!!!! there barrel turns are one of the least enjoyable parts of the race...slow and uncowardenated is not fun to watch..also exactly when was this race with 8 or 9 cars? some how i missed that!!! the figure 8 is a good idea. i agree cages and all that are completly unnessassary for this event aswell, would have alot more cars if they were as easy to build as a derby car.....delaware needs to look at a 4 cylinder class derby and realize those cars go threw way more crap and much harder hits then any chaos car ever has, this would be a great way to increase car counts for sure.
you could not be more right when u say the points need to be thrown out the window.
there is no real competition, and no one cares who the points leader is.
i apoligize if this seems to critical but i am at evey enduro race and i have friends that will not come becuz they have to now sit threw the chaos cars, was not so bad when u could just come late and miss them, and dont kid urself this was done by many ppl.
make it more entertaining soon or give it the boot!
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: jworacing on July 08, 2009, 06:33:16 AM
Well track side the drivers and the crews seem to enjoy the Kaos cars. The do provide some entertainment value and I beleive the fans enjoy them as well. And remember when you have a "last show" some fans will go home anyway just to beat the mad rush out of the gates. I've seen this during Late Modle features!!!
Points are nescessary for the guys in the division, it gives them incentive. Some across the board payout would good as well.
Change the time so the younger kids are alert and able to enjoy the show, thats what the parents want occupied kids! Lets run the kaos between heats and features! this gives the the other divisions more prep time and people time to buy more hotdogs if they don't like the Kaos stuff. I dunno it sells itself. Just my thoughts on the matter
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Shadowracer on July 08, 2009, 07:50:58 AM
Change the time so the younger kids are alert and able to enjoy the show, thats what the parents want occupied kids! Lets run the kaos between heats and features! this gives the the other divisions more prep time and people time to buy more hotdogs if they don't like the Kaos stuff.

This too. Big Time. At least if they're on on Friday night anyway.

Of course, doing these guys before the features leaves us with crap-dropped-on-the-speedway issues too - which is probably why they run mainly with the enduros.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

As far as when was this 8-9 car race, it was last year getting toward labor day. there was the Baron and Snotrod, as well as Kramer, Fred, One Eyed Purple something or other, one that looked like a cop car, one bright orange one, Kazakstan Crunch...there was a bunch of em. And the crowd was into that one too.

Sorry lovemesomeracing, there's always going to be a contingent of fans that don't like this stuff, but there's lots that do. Like any other form of racing, sometimes its a great race and sometimes its a bit of a snoozer. Friday was the latter for sure, no argument there. Going the whole track didn't help, but they needed pit road this time to set up the ramp jump. Chalk it up as an experimant.

But to write the program off as of now is just a little hasty. It is still a work in progress.

As an aside: Frankly, I commend the guys that have been showing up. Guys like Snot-rod and Baron etc have added a little bit of a family vibe to the show, and some extra color to the culture of the speedway. They've definitely gone a little ways towards changing the formerly very stuffy serious-racin-only here nature of the place.

Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Racer43 on July 08, 2009, 09:29:24 AM
Entry level racing? Are you serious? I agree Delaware doesnt have alot to offer other than the juniors as far as entry level goes but to call these things that is a stretch IMO.
Yes I think some of us would change our tune if we got the opportunity to drive one. I'm sure there fun to wheel around but entertaining to the fans is another question. Snotrod build or buy an Enduro I'm certain you will be more satisfied at the end of the day. Where did these other four or five cars go and why arent they coming out to play?
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: charger on July 08, 2009, 10:50:34 AM
 ;)hey snot rod they said the same things about the 4cyl racing 10 years ago when we started, "if you build it they will come"  ;D
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Tire Pressure on July 08, 2009, 11:07:07 AM
I dont think they should "Axe" the Chaos cars, but they do need to do something with them. Ya the car count is down (not sure why). If they had more cars everytime out , it would be a hell of alot more exciting. I do know onething though, i have 2 boys 14 & 11 and they love it. It made there night last friday when they got to go down in the pits after racing and get a pic w/ Snot Rod and sit in the car as well. Thats all they talked about for the last week. They actually liked that more then getting a pic with the feature winner of the night with the trophy!!

So for thoose that don't like the Chaos Cars, while they are on ......GO grab a extra hotdog or something to fill in your time , while my boys enjoy the highlight of there night .....The Chaos Cars!!
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: John on July 08, 2009, 03:45:09 PM
(http://www.delawarespeedway.com/images/FRIDAY CHAOS 1.JPG)

Iíll check in for a moment here to talk a bit about the Chaos Cars.  I know this is an Ontario-wide board now, so I think itís worth talking about this program, to speak to some of the comments, and perhaps come to an understanding.

First off, to terminate a rumor: the speedway does not have plans to "axe" the Chaos Cars.  While I appreciate the criticisms of the posters above, I will respectfully disagree with their comments regarding the entertainment value of the class.

Read the posts above, then review this video from the event itself.  Be entertained.  Post here what you think of the video.  While not for everyone, I think youíll find that barrel turns are anything but boring:

Cars Delaware Speedway July 3, 2009 Highlights[/url]

In my experience it is much easier to destroy then to create - - nobody said the Chaos program would be easy, but for many of the reasons outlined above, it is a great program.  Twelve different teams made the choice with us to create, and we will continue to push forward with expanding the program.

The goal of the program was to put forward a product that was <<radically>> different from any other program offered at the speedway.  As Trevor (Shadow) and other posters have pointed out, the faces of the children around these cars is something very special.

My message is simple; we will continue to develop this program, bring up the entertainment value, and have fun while doing it.  I have never worked with a more enthusiastic group of drivers, so passionate about what they are doing.  There is no doubt in my mind we will be successful in building the group to a successful level.

That being said, it is no surprise that the division faces challenges.  It has been a little over a year since the series was launched.  If we were afraid of challenge - - well weíd all just stay home every Friday!  I would argue, that it is in fact the challenges that make this worth doing.

The car count challenge is one that I (and the drivers) am keenly aware of and am taking steps to move forward.  It was the goal to exit last year with four solid vehicles - - we more then doubled that.  Keeping them on the track this year, has been a different type of challenge.  I will be speaking with each registered competitor before the next event to attempt to identify where the gap is in the program, with the aim of closing that gap.

What incentives would get the cars to the track every race?  Perhaps the members here have some ideas.  I would love to hear them - - we used the GRR board extensively during development of this class.  While those threads are gone, I found some of the best ideas for the class came from the community.

We know one challenge is a strange oneÖ  Tow vehicles.  Need more proof that itís entry level?  Look at how these vehicles are being brought in.  Tow bars, tow straps, borrowed to trucks, open trailers.  Now thatís grassroots.  In fact, the previous event would have had 5 cars, had it not been for a tow vehicle failure.  Iíll be speaking with the teams about this matter as well, trying to find a solution so that vehicles arenít barred from participating because of tow problems.

With regards to the barrier to entry - - when the program was designed, roll cages and safety equipment were put in place for the safety of the drivers.  I read the reports of driver injuries at other speedway in  four cylinder cars and wanted to prevent it from happening here.

The competitors in the division who have been in impacts will tell you theyíre glad they have those cages.  It is a minimum level of safety for these vehicles to ensure the division remains fun and that the drivers have a level of protection while navigating the courses.  The cages and safety equipment also play another factor; education.  The stakes in a chaos car are a lot lower than in an enduro car, because the speeds are so much lower.  The goal of a chaos car is to spend your money on safety equipment, not performance, to learn how to build and wear safety equipment properly.  This way when/if a driver moves up, itís one less new thing for them to learn.

I would encourage people interested understanding more about what this class is about to review the Red Baron mini-series.  What youíll see is a group of university students using their basic, basic knowledge to put together a safe and fun Chaos Car.  These individuals would not have had the technical knowledge to construct an Enduro carÖ  Today, they do.  Two high schools have built these vehicles (Beal & Medway) - - Beal has built two (Raider has yet to debut, it rained out at its opener).  Each documentary video has received around 2,000 views, and has been used by drivers in the division in the construction of their cars.

I hope this clarifies a few things about the Chaos Cars.  Again, while I appreciate the comments of the initial poster, I respectfully disagree.  What I do agree with is many of the constructive comments posted here, and look forward to seeing what new things we can do to take the class to the next level.

I would value any comments from Delaware posters as well as posters from other speedways.

All the best,

-John Houghton
Chaos Director
Announcer / PR
Delaware Speedway
(519) 652-5068 Ext 201
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Shadowracer on July 08, 2009, 05:07:29 PM
Aw man...you left out the "It was a SLOBBERKNOCKER" victory lane quote.

BTW, sounded like more than 3 people cheering to me.

 ;)
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Hardcore Racing on July 08, 2009, 06:41:40 PM
What a hoot.. That looks like fun. I have always liked when tracks add a few extras like this to their evenings line up. I love our 4 cylinder, thunder and late model division but it can get mundane after a while.

Every once in a while we have a touring series which adds to the excitement but I always remember as a kid the thing I loved the most were things like the daredevils doing T-bones and stunts. I am sure to the racing purist this may seem like a carnival but I secretly think I like it sometimes when the evening has a carnival atmosphere. Our track is packed for the demo derby and the track phone used to ring off the wall asking if the school bus races were still on for the evening. 

If these cars are built so well why don't you have them running in a 4 cylinder class with this being an add on they can compete in for fun once in a while?
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: jcrashm2 on July 08, 2009, 07:23:37 PM
Great post John.
I dont know how many times i met a kid who had a racecar or a car too make a racecar, but he didnt have a truck and a trailer.lol.
Myself included when i started. My deal of a lifetime, 67 Comet 302 auto, raceready for $600. My first sponsor was a tow truck, he showed whenever. Then my buddy did the towbar and then my cousin lived a mile from the track and i drove it down the shoulder every Saturday nite, all during my first year. I took 3 years mechanics at highschool and learned more about working and fixing cars in one summer with that Comet.
My point, if you could give these people alittle spot to park them for the season you would get plenty more i'm sure. And ya know each one brings a few people with them. I bet some would even pay abit more for a parking charge if you had too, cheaper then a truck and trailer.
I think Ohsweken would increase their bomber class if they considered the same.
You might even get some regular drivers helping crew members and friends build them if they didnt have to worry about another car to tow.
Maybe one nite you could get the chaosers to donate their cars and give the latemodel guys a shot.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: jworacing on July 08, 2009, 08:55:47 PM
Thats the best thing I ever heard  ;D A latemodel driver in chaos car...Bring it!!!
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: trainfan1 on July 08, 2009, 10:08:23 PM
Hi everyone, Just a short 2 cents from someone new to Delaware. Have made it out 3 times this year and each time the line up has been different. Most of the time we sit and think it would be great to get in on the action sometime, but even the enduro cars are a bit intimidating. Some of those cars really haul. Now the chaos cars take the stage and all of a sudden the idea of "getting into racing" seems a whole lot closer to reality. Slower speeds, lighter cars and I must assume lower cost all point the way for a wider range of newcomers to enter the sport. Not to mention the giggle factor. I vote keep em!

Sitting here thinking the wife`s neon is in the driveway. Maybe it needs a tune up "chaos style".
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: tigeraid on July 08, 2009, 11:10:38 PM
PERSONALLY, I don't have much interest in them.  Because I am a "die hard."

Having said that, I was in the stands when all of FOUR Chaos Cars took to the track and did their thing.  On the one hand, I thought "that kinda sucks, only four cars"... But on the other hand, the crowd loved em.  I dunno what fans lovemesomeracing was talking to, but they weren't the thousands in the stands hooting and hollering for it.

I agree 100% that the Chaos Cars need to be moved to the VERY beginning of the show, so the kids can get a kick out of it.  Turn this thing into full-on "family fun".  Have an autograph session maybe before the race starts up at the pagoda... Have the Chaos drivers dress up to act the part (like put Tyson in a lime green suit with slimy stuff on it, or the Red Baron in a red suit with the pointy German Beanie)... Have some inexpensive kid's items at the merchandise booth to get them into it, like black and white pictures of the cars that they can colour, and cheap autographed pictures or cartoons of the cars.

And I agree, wholeheartedly, that these cars shouldn't require cages, and it's the #1 thing preventing the class from taking off.  YES, these are "$200 beaters" but to qualify for the class, you have to know how to weld, have access to a welder, and buy the cage kit.  I realize at some point all racers should learn to weld and own a welder, but for some it's just not feasible at their current stage.  Hell, I'm trying to finish a Super Stock right now, and I still borrow a welder!

Either way, keep em around, the Chaos cars are good cheap entertainment for kids and it's a very unique idea.  Just needs to be tweaked a little.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: lovemesomeracing on July 09, 2009, 12:28:50 AM
hahaha thousands of fans cheering for the chaos cars, has never and i repeat  NEVER HAPPENED, i may have under stated the amount of fans cheering b4, but u r drastically off on your remark!!!
 I only say axe the chaos cars becuz i do not see the division it self getting any bigger, which would be the only way it would be entertaining at all!!!!
 and roll cages should definitly be taken out or made optional...millions of derby cars have ran with no cages and they make out just fine!!! so i think our little 30 km an hour chaos cars can handle it, exspecially only doing 10 kmh around a barrel, they may wine but they will live!!!!
 further more John no where in here was there a rumor started that the chaos cars were getting cut!! just one guys opinion on one subject...but for delawares sake u really should do something quickly b4 the rest of the race fans feel the same way i do, and trust me there not far off!!!!
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Snotrod on July 09, 2009, 02:03:44 AM
Aw man...you left out the "It was a SLOBBERKNOCKER" victory lane quote.

LOL You Liked that eh? I Didn't know what else to say. I even forgot to thank my crew! It looks like I'm buying the next round on Friday....   :D
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Shadowracer on July 09, 2009, 07:17:17 AM
I heard that if more cars don't show up That they will be getting the Axe  

further more John no where in here was there a rumor started that the chaos cars were getting cut!!

What's this then?

Quote
LOL You Liked that eh? I Didn't know what else to say. I even forgot to thank my crew! It looks like I'm buying the next round on Friday....    :D

Yep...it was a good line. When you ran at the fence, I thought you were gonna climb it, a-la Tony/Helio.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: crazylady on July 09, 2009, 08:45:15 AM
First let me say, I am all for fun and entertaining sideshows that support the regular racing at Delaware.  The Chaos cars have the potential to be just that but in my opinion need  several more cars, run less laps (after 5 laps on Friday I was ready for it to be done) and perhaps use less of the track so visibility is better.  If you used the front stretch for example or perhaps 1/2 the track you potentially could run 10 laps.  Also if it was run in the daylight it would also be better and be a good warm up for the crowd.  It could potentially go between 7 & 7:30 prior to the regular race program.  I can see why Delaware might not want to do this becausea of the potential issues of parts etc on the track prior to the regular racing program, but it is an option.  I'm thinking on Friday most people would have left the track for the Chaos race but stayed because they wanted to see the jump through the RV's.

When the idea of the chaos cars was first introduced, I was tempted to get a car myself because it sounded like a lot of fun and it was purely entertainment for the fans.   No racing pressure - I have enough of that with the racer in the house!  I never thought that this was a "real" race division at Delaware or that it was intended as an entry level class.  I equate it to the school bus races at Lowes etc, where it is just meant to be fun and entertaining nothing very serious.  This is not meant to be a slight against the people in the division who work hard to get their cars looking good and spend time on them to participate in the class., but it is what it is. 

IMO, a mininum number of cars should be required (and that would be more than 4) to run and if not enough show up, they don't run.  Better to cancel than put on a mediochre show for the fans which might taint the image Delaware is working hard to achieve.

I think John's idea of contacting the people registered to try to encourage them to come out and perhaps do some phoning the week they are scheduled to run might help improve the numbers.

I say the Chaos cars are a good idea, but the show needs to provide the entertainment that was intended.

Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Shadowracer on July 09, 2009, 08:51:19 AM
Thats just crazy.  ;)
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: SS3 on July 09, 2009, 08:52:20 AM
Hi everyone, Just a short 2 cents from someone new to Delaware. Have made it out 3 times this year and each time the line up has been different. Most of the time we sit and think it would be great to get in on the action sometime, but even the enduro cars are a bit intimidating. Some of those cars really haul. Now the chaos cars take the stage and all of a sudden the idea of "getting into racing" seems a whole lot closer to reality. Slower speeds, lighter cars and I must assume lower cost all point the way for a wider range of newcomers to enter the sport. Not to mention the giggle factor. I vote keep em!

Sitting here thinking the wife`s neon is in the driveway. Maybe it needs a tune up "chaos style".

Great to have a new fan commenting on the CRO boards, your perspective is valuable.

If you would like to go Chaos racing Kramer is for sale, check out the Delaware Classifieds -

http://www.checkeredflagmedia.com/Classde/item/114 (http://www.checkeredflagmedia.com/Classde/item/114)

The only reason we are not racing Kramer is time and driver availability.  Our Super Stock has taken up a lot of resources this year AND we don't have a driver who has permission from his wife to drive Kramer.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: ministockman on July 12, 2009, 01:06:31 AM
ya im not a fan of chaos car racing personally i think it sucks but im not gonna lie when there s some smashing going on im tuned in
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Snotrod on July 12, 2009, 01:58:11 PM
ya im not a fan of chaos car racing personally i think it sucks but im not gonna lie when there s some smashing going on im tuned in

lol Well thats a start...
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: racing4life on July 12, 2009, 09:01:35 PM
my 2 cents its, A DONKEY SHOW., but what do i no right lol
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Snotrod on July 13, 2009, 02:08:24 PM
my 2 cents its, A DONKEY SHOW., but what do i no right lol

Makes sence since you're the Jacka$$  ;D See you Saturday pal
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: 2slow4u on July 13, 2009, 05:54:31 PM
I like the chaos cars myself, they are a good laugh.  Sure, they could use more cars, but a 1 year old class won't have a pile of cars.  I think everyone agrees that to make the class more appealing to some is to increase the amount of cars.  Think about it, if there were even 15 or more cars it would be realy interesting.  My little brother and I built him one, and he loves it.  There was no way that he could afford to build a enduro car, or purchase a junior.  For $500 we had a turn key chaos car (cage, car, window net, etc.).  I race the ss and plan to build a chaos car sometime, it looks like a blast out there.

Suggestions for the class to increase car count:
1.  Reduce some of the safety equipment (roll cages take time, money, special equipment)
2.  Reduce the amount of laps run (less damage to cars, allows cars to return)
3.  Reduce amount of contact (I know that is the attraction for some, maybe have a rule that a car can only make intentional contact say 1-3 times, would make the last lap interesting)
4.  Move 360 degree barrel turns into corners where there is more space from walls (concrete hurts)
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Snotrod on July 13, 2009, 11:47:04 PM
4.  Move 360 degree barrel turns into corners where there is more space from walls (concrete hurts)

I really like this one  :o
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: d_lyle_99 on July 15, 2009, 08:19:17 PM
If they take the roll cage out and make it like the derby cars I run. Then i would be willing to try and get a Chaos car. Hits in the derby ARE harder then what I have seen in the Chaos. I know a few guys willing to try it with out the roll cage.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: bornagain on July 15, 2009, 11:26:44 PM
maby make more races where their is a prize ayout because the cars do cost monmey to build and maintain.  Also maby run a friday night 4 cylinder series which is done o the full track that the cars can compete in ontop of the monthly saturday obstacle course? just some ideas though.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Dougy109 on July 16, 2009, 10:22:31 PM
I think it's funny, and entertaining. It has it's dull moments, but so do 50 lap runs of green light Enduro's. What could speed things up a little, is not use the backhalf of the track, line up the first heat while Chaos Cars are going. We lined up, after the Chaos event. Is there any reason we couldn't line up while it is running? I am sure there may be a safety issue, I am overlooking... just an idea.

I am sorry you don't like the Chaos guys, I thought these guys were hilarious, and definitely a start point for those on limited budgets.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: bornagain on August 01, 2009, 10:53:46 AM
to get more cars simply make no intentional hitting.

Some people like to play possom in turns 3 and 4 and then come out and wreck other peoples cars with rear 1/4 panel hits completluy bending the door posts.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: d_hilborn on August 01, 2009, 11:11:04 AM
talked to john in the campground, expect a call for snotrod
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: bornagain on August 01, 2009, 12:18:24 PM
its still fun though even when u get wrecked
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Shadowracer on August 01, 2009, 01:04:06 PM
Hm. yes, last night was not the Chaos division's finest hour.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: bornagain on August 01, 2009, 11:43:58 PM
no really shadow

1) sharpie the flagman got hit by a barrell
2) A few cars were wrecked majorly ( SNot rod i think and myself) posibly some others
3)Wednesday aiming for all the obstacles( to bad u dont getg points for hitting things)
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: snotrod2 on August 02, 2009, 02:36:22 AM
i just read this entire thread, and i think it's kinda funny how chaos cars are criticized by so many other racers and fans and it mainly seems to be about lack of cars.  that and the fact that enduro is the "entry-level" division and chaos cars are a, what was it..."donkey show"?  (LOL...i like that...sounds like something Chad might say.)

i believe it is hard for all divisions to maintain a high car-count because, obviously, racecars cost big $$$ and time.  i know lots of teams from every division that don't know if they will be at the track the following week if they crash or have mechanical failure.

how about the days when enduro was actually entertaining?  when there was 150 cars on the track and it actually was a race of endurance.  now you have the books and the goertz boys (amongst others) who can slap a set of hoosiers on their car and maybe make a few other changes and race in the super stock class?  nice entry-level race cars!!  check the "quick results" for july 24th; we have book, mcullough and goertz with 22.6 - 22.7 second laps which is the same lap times as some of the trucks.  i still greatly respect them all though because of all the work that go into their cars, but those are some FAST lap times!!  maybe some kind of lap time rule should come into effect; like no cars faster than 24 seconds.

still wish to tell me that enduro is entry-level?

let's compare cost factors.  chaos car with cage and safety could be built for between $1000 to $2000 lets say, depending on who and what you know.  what kind of enduro car is that gonna get me?  i used to race enduro in the late 90's and i had about $2000 in my car and i think i was the slowest car on the track.  how much fun is that?  i mean, i had a blast motoring around the bottom groove all day and i learned a lot, but being not at all competitive gets not fun real quick.  it would cost a lot more than that to build even a somewhat competitive car.  is this what is bringing enduro car count down?  i don't know you guys tell me.

don't get me wrong, i love every division at the track (along with all their quicks.)  just give the chaos cars (and drivers and crew) some time and respect, and i think the division will get much better.  i have heard from TONS of fans who love it, so i don't think that the 5 people who dislike the division will bring us down.  racing is racing, no matter what...right?

thanks for all the positive posts though, we need the support from our entire racing community.  i think i've said enough.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: BornAgainFan on August 02, 2009, 09:34:32 AM
To any one who is upset with what happened to BornAgain, yes it was upsetting, howevcer we are a Christian based racing team and as such we hope that our reactions would be good evidence. the car in question did respond the following day taking full responsibility for thier actions. Futher more we do not hold any ill feelings toward them and would pray that no one else does either. The apology was and is sincere and we @ Born Again Racing do forgive them and hopefully with some new parts and more protection added all around we will be back on Aug 15th, God willing. In response to all those who are complaining about the caos cars. It would do you well to remember that ALL the car series @ Delaware started out from somewhere, and grew to what it is today. It takes time to build a sustainable series, please be patient and let it grow. Anyone who has ever grown bamboo will know that it van take several years of no visible growth, then suddenly the plant when developed will grow up to 4 feet tall in 24 hours. Please be patient remember that Rome wasn't built in a day, and all constructive ideas , I am sure will be welcomed by all. To John Houghton don't give up so quickly. This is a fun series and can still be. If you would like some advice I would love to talk to you on how this series could continue to grow. One last thing If you don't think roll cages are needed I will gladly show you why they are. The driver side of Born Again was completely folded around te roll cage, if that cage wasn't there Cameron would most definitely been injured. Thanks to all the guys who helped out and turned out for friday nights event.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: snotrod2 on August 02, 2009, 10:33:17 AM
well said!
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: notingtolose on August 02, 2009, 06:50:24 PM
as for the roll cage thing my buddy(Don Yorke 01) did the derby there last year at the end of the year in a cavailer all he had was a bar going from the fire wall to the rear wheel kick-up he got bounced around and hit hard queit a few times. he even took a hit on the drivers side if that bar does a good job whats the sense of a full cage. if you add 5-6 more bares to protect in a roll over i think that should be ok'd 
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: hotseat on August 02, 2009, 09:08:46 PM
well heres my thoughts...chaos division is supposed to be fun for the kids and humorus for the adults, what u guys do is some what of a side show, and thats the way it is meant to be, enduro is and always will be entry level racing..yes the cars are getting faster and more expensive and yes that is y the car count sucks and will NOT get better ever...if the enduros are lucky then it will sustain a 60-70 car count!!!! but they are still not as fast as the rest of the divisions hence the label "entry level".
 also if it is costing u $2000.00 to put a chaos car together u better be winning every single little 10 lap race cuz that is just ridiculus, these cars do not go fast at any point there is no special tires, could u please inform me to where the heck 2k would go into these things!!!!!
i also believe that chaos division would be very entertaining with a higher car count, and i still do not believe a full roll cage is nessassary, i have done dozens of derbys with no cage what so ever in all classes and i am still alive to talk about it, and there has never been a chaos car hit harder then a derby hit, i dont care if u say it bent ur door or not this is experience telling u that u will be fine, just dont let sandbaggers sit and wait to hit u!!!!lol
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Dougy109 on August 02, 2009, 09:39:44 PM
It is possible to burn 1000-1500 your "first time" racing. Fire suit, five point harness, cage (if properly fabbed), new helmet, these things. Lets be honest, if you don't shop around.... you get dinged. Especially, if you don't know many people, it can be expensive. All in all, people whine about the cost of racing, but they forget, hockey equipment is damn near as expensive! All in all, if you are complaining about cost, chess and checkers is cheap.  8)

Not trying to be rude or insensitive. Just saying, going fast costs good money. Chaos cars are great racing in my opinion (mostly from the humor side), and yes the WWE feel it is getting makes it even funnier.

GO SNOT!!!
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Shadowracer on August 03, 2009, 01:26:59 AM
I'm glad not everyone thinks like that. Without showmanship and humor, all you get is a dull show and lots of fans deciding to go to the movies on Fri night instead.

Not saying chaos cars are the answer, by why the frick can't people lighten up? Its weekend warrior racing, not the damn Sprint Cup. Its not like they're taking anything away from anyone, and if you don't like em, they run the at the end and it gives you time to get out early.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Racer43 on August 03, 2009, 01:41:12 AM
If we need chaos cars to keep fans from going to the movies. We're in big trouble.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: hotseat on August 03, 2009, 02:22:53 AM
well said racer!!!!!!!!!!!!they should put the chaos at the end of an enduro instead of inbetween heat and feature to test and see just how popular they are, i am personally pretty curious to see how big the fan base for them is!!!
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: snotrod2 on August 03, 2009, 02:41:32 AM
i speak for myself here, but we do chaos for fun.  you don't hear us complaining about not getting a payout.  the division is meant for entertainment, so if you don't find it entertaining, don't watch.  many people DO like it.  i have an idea to get car count up in all divisions...people need to stop complaining about stuff and either go work on their present equipment to make it faster or build a damn car and put your money where your mouth is...lol.  better yet, even the whole enduro class by wiping out all v8 rear wheel drive cars and make everyone run a front-drive v6.  that most certainly would throw a wrench into everything.  aside from costs rising in enduro to stay competitive, it can be hard to find a camaro or other car to build.  TONES on grand prixs, luminas, etc all over the place!!  just a thought...
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Snotrod on August 03, 2009, 03:00:31 AM
I read what all these complainers have to say and I laugh. I don't care anymore if you hate us. I have fun running in the series and so do the other teams. All the complaining is not worth my time posting a valid responce. See you on August 15th whether you like it or not ..l..    ;D

PS- Thanks Doug!  Go Batmobile 109!
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Shadowracer on August 03, 2009, 10:04:16 AM
If we need chaos cars to keep fans from going to the movies. We're in big trouble.


Ah but read my post...that's not what I said.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Racer43 on August 03, 2009, 10:56:27 AM
I know thats not exactly what you said shadow. You know how i feel about the chaos cars we have talked about it in the pits. However someone started a thread about them and people have been posting there opinions. You cant expect everyones opinion to be rosey and positive. Some like dirt racing and some like aspault and we've argued that too over the years. But when you run a circus act like division at what is supose to be canadas premier short track what do you expect the feed back to be. If you look at the quality of cars in the regular divisions the place is second to none. Then out roll the chaos cars and some may think what the hell is this.
Again, I'm sure the guys with the cars are having a blast, but its just not that entertaining to a "die hard" race fan. I dont see that changing no matter what the car count is. Anyway to be honest I could care less weather they run or not. If more people want to put a couple grand into a car that runs for shits and giggles the more power to them. For those that have gone out on a limb to build one I applaud your efforts. I know how much work goes into putting a car out on the track. Just try not to get too defensive when you here some negative comments. Its not for everyone and you cant expect it to be.

Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: truckguy on August 03, 2009, 11:34:26 AM
Im wondering if people that dont like the chaos cars would like figure 8 or bus races? Those are only for entertainment. We were at Dixie Motor Speedway in Michigan last year for an Auto Value race. The night had Bomber cars (like thunder cars), a 100 lap super late model race, and a 35 lap AVSS race. After that, there was a figure 8 school bus race. I dont think 10 poeple left their seats. It was packed! I couldn't beleive how much fun it was, and Im a die hard racer and fan!
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: crazylady on August 03, 2009, 11:35:59 AM
At the end of the day, the question is do the Chaos cars augment and enhance the race program at Delaware Speedway?  Does it provide a legitimate avenue for people to move into other classes?  Does it provide the entertainment it was designed to provide?  If the answer is no, then they should go in order to maintain Delaware's reputation for being a great racing facility.  The fans need to answer this and I am not sure how you get the answer to this, but perhaps a poll at the end of the season would provide the answer as to whether this show should stay or go.  

Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Team 33 on August 03, 2009, 06:24:35 PM
The chaos cars is not what I really thought it was going to be.
When it came to mind about four and six bangers racing I thought cool, for sure I'm in....that's a way I can get my boy's intrested.

I thought it would be a great way to get the younger crowd into racing because at this time average racer anymore is between 30/50 years old.
and if we don't start getting some younger guys or girls into the sport we are going to be in trouble.

I thought for sure it would be some straight up racing possibly ten laps and maybe a five lap heat to get the feel of some racing..
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: crazylady on August 03, 2009, 06:46:57 PM
Not sure how old your boys are, but the JRL is a great way to get the younger set into racing.  We are starting to see several drivers from this division of racing move into the other Delaware racing classes.  (Enduros, Trucks, Super Stocks, Open Wheel Modified and Late Model).

Also I wasn't a huge fan of enduros, but I am starting to see the value in the amount of seat time you can get in those races.  You can put as much or as little into this class as you want.

Not convinced we need another entry level of racing for Delaware but that is just my opinion.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Team 33 on August 03, 2009, 06:59:06 PM
Was not looking for a entry level of racing from them,, but maybe once a month with the Enduros.
I thought we could get them to start running with Enduros cars so we could get more car counts...
If we needed a new entry level it would have to be fiberglass tube chassis trucks.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: crazylady on August 03, 2009, 07:54:08 PM
Was not looking for a entry level of racing from them,, but maybe once a month with the Enduros.
I thought we could get them to start running with Enduros cars so we could get more car counts...
If we needed a new entry level it would have to be fiberglass tube chassis trucks.

Gotcha.  Sounds like a good plan.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: racerfan44 on August 03, 2009, 08:15:23 PM
 When Choas came out I thought it was for drivers who were looking to move up in the ranks of driving as of today I do not no but have any of these drivers moved up to enduro.Sure this is only I think the second year but what I saw after Fridays show none of these drivers should move on.Sorry guys bang and crash.The accident with the starter who by all sounds broke his ankle and thank GOD it could have been worse no way should have happened and if not mistaken the inside pit wall was pushed in also by a car all by himself.Remember guys if you want to wreck your cars go to a demo derby because that is where you belong if you are doing this.Again stick to racing and forget about wrecking everything and remember track staff are on or near the track and seeing another accident ¬ like the other night could be more serious and thank GOD the man upstairs watched over the flagman that night as it could have been more serious than it looked.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Dougy109 on August 04, 2009, 06:37:16 AM
There is no doubt, when they announced Chaos Cars I was expecting Enduros with these cars. That does not mean we didn't get a good show. So yes, I was a little disappointed at first. But these guys are pretty fun, and the laughs from the crowds seem genuine.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Shadowracer on August 04, 2009, 09:05:21 AM
One concept I've never quite understood is the idea of Chaos Cars as "moving up in the ranks"  Race divisions don't have to serve as a feeder for anything else....sometimes they just are what they are...and in this case its just a lighthearted division meant to provide some fun and some laughs. Only thing it would really feed into, is perhaps running mini stox someplace else.

If you want to run enduro, you run enduro. If you want to run Super Stock you run Super Stock. You do whatever you can with what you have at your disposal. Sure, some guys see it as a ladder to be climbed, but I'd imagine most don't. Heck, even the top enduro guys have been doing it for so long that its doubtful you'll ever see them in a Friday night division.

I think this whole mentality at Delaware is a remnant of the CASCAR days when Super Series was supposed to be the Canadian version of Winston Cup, and that Friday night competitors were ultimately portrayed as competitors that were being "groomed for the big show" (and incidentally, where LM racing ended up getting so rough, as everyone wanted to think they were the next Jeff Gordon...ask George Wall about the decline of LM sportsmanship sometime.)

Current management has come up always being deeply involved in the Jr division, so the idea of "grooming" has always been there as a part of their MO...and righjtfully so, but I don't really see Chaos Cars as an extension of that. Chaos racing is what it is.

One poste above made reference to it being like a circus...and really, thats exactly what its supposed to be...nothing more, nothing less than a division that exists as something with a little crash and bang, and a few laughs.

I don't mean to sound snarky, but it just confoozles me utterly that anyone could have a problem with something like this. Maybe if they were dropping something else to replace with Chaos cars, then I could see it...but no one's taking anything away from anyone here. I just don't get it.

Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Sharpie91 on August 04, 2009, 10:46:37 AM
I'm I missing something here? Chaos class is entertainment peroid. No different then KOH. Either your entertained or your not. Meant for fun as drivers, but once you strap on a helmet..........  When run on Fridays, they run at the end, so the "show" is done and peeps can go home. It'd be nice if earlier for the kids but reg. fans don't want that. Besides track condition would be jeopardized.
On enduro events if they ran at the end, what would we do between heats and feature? Chaos helps narrow that gap in time. Having them there works best.
Some like the class, some don't. No dif then any other class.
Feel free to make suggestions, ideas on improvements not only on this class but the show in general.
Lighten up and let's go racing. ISMA racing that is.
Let's talk about that instead, positively of course.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: gwb5757 on August 04, 2009, 04:28:33 PM
Sharpie read your P m's  :-*
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Silverstone on August 04, 2009, 04:38:37 PM
The concept of Chaos cars IMO is a great one, I love the competition of the "higher" classes, but I can't help but think that some people tend to take things a little too seriously! Thumbs up to Delaware for creating a class that is truly for fun! Hopefully more tracks will follow suit.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Dougy109 on August 04, 2009, 05:29:11 PM
Somebody lock this thread??!! Jeebus 5 pages now GO SNOT!!!
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: hotseat on August 04, 2009, 06:20:33 PM
i think its a great thread and should continue!!! this is an open forum and no one is breaking any rules!!!! opinions are allowed and that is y i believe it was started...the very first post says he would like to know others opinions, and lots have been given and they are still rolling in......i like it and enjoy reading all the opinions myself!!!!
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Snotrod on August 04, 2009, 07:45:19 PM
Somebody lock this thread??!! Jeebus 5 pages now GO SNOT!!!

LOL you kill me man
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: charger on August 04, 2009, 08:12:08 PM
from the outside looking in and never having seen the chaos cars run i believe that there is genuine strong opinions from both sides of the storey, however runnig a mini stock myself for the past 5 years and having been invloved with ministocks since their second year at barriespeedway i have also heard some of the same opinions way back when we started. if you keep up the passion it will grow

hey snotrod i love your passion for what you do keep it up and it will rub off on others and mabe it will help the class

Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Snotrod on August 04, 2009, 08:20:48 PM
hey snotrod i love your passion for what you do keep it up and it will rub off on others and mabe it will help the class
Thanks dude, I appreciate it. I've been waiting my whole life to race, so I have alot of passion for what I compete in. Put me in any race car and I'll drive the wheels off it.  Good luck at Barrie, Charger.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: hotseat on August 05, 2009, 12:35:01 AM
lol
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: bornagain on August 05, 2009, 11:08:14 PM
for all u people that dont' like the chaos cars

SHUTUP, Many people do like them.  They are a fun class to watch and even race.  Yeah sure its not as professional as the APC late models but who gives a crap. Not everyone can afford the high end apc latemodel cars so there needs to be the lower end divisions.  Even the enduros are expensive to get into because of drivers like the goertz brothers that have cars that could compete in the superstocks if they just got a set of hoosier tiers.  The chaos cars are cheap and as a result are an affordable class for someone who has never raced before to get into it.  

Therefore,
We have all had enough of the complaining. just because u dont like the cars doen't mean others don't.
SoSHUTUP
This topic should have never whent this long.  An admin or moderator should lock it since every reply is the same thing(complaints)
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Shadowracer on August 05, 2009, 11:19:51 PM
for all u idiots that dont' like the chaos cars

snip

This topic should have never whent this long.  An admin or moderator should lock it since every reply is the same thing(complaints)

Actually no, there's been a lot of valid opinions and points of discussion. And if a thread goes long, it means there's still stuff people want to say.

Calling folks idiots and telling them to SHUTUP doesn't and won't work here however. (the majority of us here are not 10 year olds)

You have to do better than that Bornagain.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: bornagain on August 06, 2009, 12:19:27 AM
I get the point that everyone has their opinion.  I just hate it when people bash a race class juat because it is not "very professional".  This whole thread is basically people bashing the class with some of the actuall chos car drivers supporting the class.  Some people just need to realize that there is always classes for first time racers and that is what the chaos cars are.  Alot of these people seem to be the people that should just watch nascar if they want professional racing instead of Delaware races.  Yeah there are alot of good drivers on the track but many of them dont respect other lower divisions and that just isn't right.

I never did say that others opinions arn't valid.  I simply said that all most people are doing on here is complaining and these people should shut up because its annoying.  Also the only reason i said to shut up is because its is anoying when the only new posts on this thread is someone bashing the class again.
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Build, buy, or beg for a racecar
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: hotseat on August 06, 2009, 03:30:18 AM
bornagain,

if u do not like the thread then stop reading it, who the hell r u to say when a thread should be closed and call ppl idiots, if someone does not want to respect the chaos cars they dont have to, the person who started the thread asked for opinions, u have given yours, so y dont u  SHUT THE HELL UP and let others voice theirs.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Dougy109 on August 06, 2009, 07:14:55 AM
I was making light of this thread earlier, when I said it was 5 pages long. I apologize if it has caused others to lose their temper. @bornagain, easy killer.... I don't think your class is going anywhere (Delaware canning it), and if you read most of what people are saying they are stating some facts. Chaos cars are a filler, and supposed to be a "gong show". So go out and show them that, do well at it and don't worry about it. That does not mean you guys as competitors are "gong shows", it means the class is designed/and is doing what it's supposed to.

I know of a lot of oldtimers, who thought the exact same way many years ago about Enduro. We had very little respect from some of the Friday night drivers, and I remember them openly stating it. There are a few drivers who moved up, and have done great. But it still bothers me, to think we were the "gong show" (except a few cars that ran circles around the majroity... still the same today) at one time.

Anyway, I was making light of the conversation earlier. My humor sometimes is misjudged, or down right dry.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: jworacing on August 06, 2009, 09:32:21 AM
I think we all need to get together for a bg old fashioned group hug :o, KAOS cars are what they are nothing more and nothing less. I don't think you will see a duoble feature night of these guys anytime soon but what the hell give them a break. If you don't like them the track has set it up so you can go home at any point they are on. I applaud these guys for the work and effort they put into thier gig. They will realise the work that is involved is very demanding and to "move-up" would take even more dedication. I think they deserve our support just like any other division does, and I know I would do anything I could for any division that needed something including KAOS cars. So you guys keep it  ;D
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: FromTheStands on August 06, 2009, 09:38:43 AM
Entry of the car name, filling out registration
Purchasing a vehicle
Interpet the rules, apply these to the your car
Fabricate, prepare the car.
Associate with a list of suppliers for items  and equipment needed.
Attempt the sponsorship deal.
Organize and haul car to track
Show up on practice days with pit equipment and crew organized.
Take vehicle through tech.
Attend drivers meeting, Q and A
Learn line up and scoring.
Learn the use of flags and race day procedures
Among all other divisions and their schedules and procedures for the day.
A series of on track experiences (starter, anouncers, flags, fans,boos and cheers)
The thrill of a win, the agony of defeat.
Knowing the amount of work needed to do it all over next week.
The wind down and bench racing.

Entry level with something to learn - yes
Driving school for a SS, Truck, Mod or LateModel   no

She is what she is and at least a great way to learn the experience of the pits at Delaware.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: jmaudsley on August 06, 2009, 12:01:03 PM
I'll chime in on the chaos cars... and while I'm at it, talk a little bit about KOH, which I think is very closely linked.

Maybe as a journalist, I'm a bit spoiled because I am at Delaware for almost every event for the year, as well as getting the opportunity to travel to a large number of other tracks during the year.

To be honest, I haven't watched a KOH in a few years, as I'm usually doing interviews that I need for stories so I can get out of there as soon as the KOH is over.  I get to see so much professional and semi-professional motorsports during the year, that a guy taking a hot lap in the family mini-van doesn't really turn my crankshaft.

That being said, I have a 7-year old son who goes to the races with me pretty much every Friday.  Last Friday night, all he could talk about was the Chaos Cars.  If that is the target audience of the speedway, then they hit it on the head!

After the races, continuing with that same 7-year old, he had to tag along with me to see Jamie Cox's OWM, and both of Steven Richmond's rides, but his mind was one track.  He just wanted a good look at the 'Snotrod'!

When it comes to KOH, again, while I don't 'get it', I do notice that on KOH nights the top of the hill is PACKED, and it's not just a coincidence why those extra people show up.  I tend to refer to that as the 'bloodthirsty savage factor', as many are there for one reason, and that is the hope of seeing a Mustang or some other quick import in a waded mess against the concrete wall.

Delaware did a survey years ago (while Tony Novotny was still the promotor), and they found that their 'average' fan goes to the track about three times a year, and on any given night those 'average' fan numbers far exceed the 'diehards'.  While I can appreciate that many that are on this board are like myself who go every week, those 'average' fans make up a tremendous bulk of the crowd, and that's a fact.  Delaware Speedway, or any racetrack for that matter have to cater more to the fans that come out three or four times a year, trying to get them to come out more then they do catering to the folks that are there every week, as the fans that are there weekly are coming almost regardless of what goes on.

Hence the 'freak show' factor of the Chaos Cars, or the KOH, which are run at the end of the night.  Delaware has done this in an attempt to 'please' the real race fans.  If you don't want to watch, and think they are a waste of time, then you are free to leave after the final 'real' feature of the evening.  Even when they cater to the 'freak show' crowd, they still keep the meat and potatoes of those regular fans in mind.

The biggest problem with Stock Car Racing over the past several years (NASCAR included) is that they have stopped marketing directly to the future generation of fans.  With all the 'Fast and Furious' movies and cars that have hit the stage over the past several years, that genre and the import cars have started to steal a tremendous amount of the younger demographics away from Stock Car Racing, because of the way they have marketed those types of cars / shows (not to mention Drifting, Time Attack, etc.),

The Chaos Cars are for the kids first, and as an added entertainment value for everyone after that (even giving me a few occassional giggles along the way -what can I say, my son has got me watching them now) .  That has to be the logic behind them, especially due to the fact that they have names rather than numbers on them, giving them all a little personality.  Even the frontstretch entrance with theme music is a selling point of the division, as the track keeps trying to grow them on the spectators.  Are we going to see the pilot of the 'Bush Bomb' in a Late Model anytime soon?  Probably not, but at the same time, never say never.  

That being said, the driver that debuted 'Born Again' last weekend was looking for tips and some assistance online on this forum last week before he hit the track, and quite frankly, though he may never be part of the 'regular' Friday night divisions, he's already taken the appropriate steps to get involved and hit the track.  Maybe he will gain the knowledge and experience during a Chaos Car and someday be driving a Truck / Enduro / Super Stock at some point down the road, but from a budget perspective, a Chaos Car is a very low cost way to get into the sport and go racing on Friday nights.  Is it 'real' racing - no!  Is it still racing... well, if you have to get there first to be the winner, than that's a race, no matter how you slice it.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: crewchief47 on August 06, 2009, 01:14:55 PM
+1 Mr. Maudsley
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: FromTheStands on August 06, 2009, 01:26:39 PM
Entry of the car name, filling out registration
Purchasing a vehicle
Interpet the rules, apply these to the your car
Fabricate, prepare the car.

All that applies to horse racing if you replace car with horse. Or dogs or the ironman triathalon for that matter.

Doesn't make it racing for the oval track unless you think that maybe they should run horses too. Then I can't help you any.

Want to tour the pits and see what a race team does, go visit one and hang out with them. Want to race a car at the track bring a race car not Mr.Bean or Pee Wee Herman's car.
I guess I need to spell it out. My post refered to all the entry level experience one gets from the chaos division. I pointed out that it does not prepare you to drive a circle track car! It's also not a comment on the type of racing so please don't read that into it.
Again, she is what she is.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: TheVoice on August 06, 2009, 01:31:08 PM
Call the Chaos Cars a circus act, a gong show, an entry level division, pure entertainment, or whatever you want.  I've got no problem with the division/concept as a whole and I hope the division grows and prospers into a fan attraction similar to what the King of the Hill is now.

But I do have a problem with some of the individual behaviour of some Chaos drivers, especially in the last event.  I personally witnessed quite a few displays of blatant disregard for other competitors in the division, the speedway, and the fan experience.

- I got to watch a wounded SnotRod limp off the track into the pits on turn 3-4, looking like his night was over, only to have him wait for the right time to explode out onto the track and deliberately T-bone the unsuspecting red Sunfire.  That was a pretty disgusting display from a driver that I thought from reading these boards was a leader or ambassador of the division.  Ignore everything else, but what if SnotRod kills the kid pulling a stunt like that?  This isn't Days of Thunder.  Save the Cole Trickle stunts for PlayStation.

- I got to watch the RedBaron (another regular like SnotRod) spin into the new concrete pit wall all by himself.  OK, it happens.  But to follow that up by deliberately slamming into the wall two more times (once forward and once in reverse) was terrible.  Nice message your sending.  "Thanks for the new pit wall Arlen, here's how much I appreciate your investment!"  You don't see LM drivers pulling stunts like that.  Sure they cost more, so that would be exceedingly stupid.  But it's about respect.  I put what the RedBaron did right alongside keying someone's car.  It's gutless.  There have been some comments in this tread about people not respecting the Chaos Car division.  Well, stuff like this makes it easy to see why.

- I also got to watch Wednesday deliberately taking out obstacles.  Perhaps the driver thought it was amusing, but I bet the safety crew members who were run ragged resetting the obstacles over and over were not amused. 

Those three displays stick out to me.  Three individual acts that turned me off the division completely.  This is a new division clearly met with mixed reviews.  Opinions of the division should not be based on a few selfish acts, but alas, such is life.  One bad apple can indeed spoil the whole bunch.

My suggestion for the division as a whole is to decrease the track size even further for Chaos Car events.  Keep the speeds down and the cars closer together.  The change to hundreds of bumps and bangs at low speed from a couple large wrecks at speeds exceeding the safety engineered into the vehicles will result in a better show and increased car count.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: FromTheStands on August 06, 2009, 01:40:38 PM

My suggestion for the division as a whole is to decrease the track size even further for Chaos Car events.  Keep the speeds down and the cars closer together.  The change to 300 bumps and bangs at low speed from a couple large wrecks at speeds exceeding the safety engineered into the vehicles will result in a better show and increased car count.

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Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: crazylady on August 06, 2009, 01:43:12 PM
I agree with Jamie on the Chaos cars.  However, what I think needs to happen is to have these run at 7 pm when the drivers meeting is on and race preparations are underway.  This might encourage more families to come earlier to the track and get everyone revved up for the racing program that lies ahead.  At the end of the night, a lot of kids are just too tired to enjoy this.  Many people want to go down to the pits after the race but either leave because they don't want to watch Chaos cars or stay because they have no choice if they want to go down to the pits.   By the Chaos cars run earlier in the program, you may see more people go and visit the drivers in the pits after the races and it might also allow for the racing teams and their families to get out of the track a little earlier.  This may cause some logistic issue, but I don't believe that these would be insurmountable.

IMO, I think it is decent entertainment (with a reasonable car count) but it is just slotted in at the wrong time in the program.  

As for KOH, the crowds are never larger than on KOH night - so it's hard to argue with that one.  I think there needs to be a limit on the number of cars allowed to participate in order for it to not get boring though.





Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Turn1 on August 06, 2009, 03:54:19 PM
- I got to watch the RedBaron (another regular like SnotRod) spin into the new concrete pit wall all by himself.  OK, it happens.  But to follow that up by deliberately slamming into the wall two more times (once forward and once in reverse) was terrible.  Nice message your sending.  "Thanks for the new pit wall Arlen, here's how much I appreciate your investment!"  You don't see LM drivers pulling stunts like that.  Sure they cost more, so that would be exceedingly stupid.  But it's about respect.  I put what the RedBaron did right alongside keying someone's car.  It's gutless.  There have been some comments in this tread about people not respecting the Chaos Car division.  Well, stuff like this makes it easy to see why.

... ummm, do you think you're giving the driver that was doing the barrel turns twice a bit too much credit lol.  Usually people don't hit walls "deliberately" lol.  What's everyone think of that one?
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: TheVoice on August 06, 2009, 04:09:50 PM
... ummm, do you think you're giving the driver that was doing the barrel turns twice a bit too much credit lol.  Usually people don't hit walls "deliberately" lol.  What's everyone think of that one?

You're right, hitting walls deliberately isn't normal.  Nor is it smart.  I didn't make any such accusation.  Just calling it like I saw it, and I had a pretty good vantage point.  Judging by the reaction of those around me, I'm not alone in my view.

As for doing double 360s around the barrel, I just assumed he was trying to be funny/entertaining since he was already long out of the "race".
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: TheVoice on August 06, 2009, 04:15:27 PM
Investing the effort into a real car and taking part in the sport in a real way would give someone the respect for the track and sport they should have. Sportsmanship comes as taking part in a SPORT, and wouldn't apply to some bastardized poor excuse for a sport like bloody knuckles or in this case Chaos cars.

I don't think a significant financial investment is a necessary precursor to showing respect to others around you, in any situation.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: snotrod2 on August 06, 2009, 06:15:38 PM
ryan.day.......who crapped in your cereal dude?  you have to be THE most bitter person i have heard in a long time.  do you race at all or are you a spectator?
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Shadowracer on August 06, 2009, 07:22:05 PM
Its a jack$ss concept to start with wouldn't you expect the particpants to fit the part? You reap what you sow.

Why don't you just quit beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel?

 ;)
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Snotrod on August 06, 2009, 08:01:52 PM
ryan.day.......who crapped in your cereal dude?  you have to be THE most bitter person i have heard in a long time.  do you race at all or are you a spectator?

He secretly wants to race in the chaos cars, but acts all tough and bashes them.   :P
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: crazylady on August 06, 2009, 08:51:26 PM
This thread is turning nasty...... :-\
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: charger on August 06, 2009, 10:41:52 PM

He secretly wants to race in the chaos cars, but acts all tough and bashes them.¬  ¬ :P
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lmfao now thats funny  ;D
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: bornagain on August 06, 2009, 11:22:55 PM
He secretly wants to race in the chaos cars, but acts all tough and bashes them.   :P
LOL Thats basically everyone who dislikes the class.  They are just jealous beacause they dont have a chaos car to race.
HINT:they arn't expesnive to build.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: jworacing on August 07, 2009, 12:18:41 AM
Kaos cars give me special feelings in my special place MMMMMMMMMMUUUUUAAAH :o
Wow this thread really has run the gauntlet.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Scott on August 07, 2009, 01:20:03 AM
Wow this thread is like the Energizer bunny ;D Just curious why Delaware does not have a 4cyl class. I think if you are looking for an entry level division this is the way to go. JMO
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Shadowracer on August 07, 2009, 07:13:23 AM
Wow this thread is like the Energizer bunny ;D

Heh. Yep.

I'll tell you this though, we've started like 3 threads about the upcoming Super Modified weekend and we can't get anyone to reply to them...on one of our biggest events of the year.  And this is the thread that keeps going and going.

I'm still trying to figure out what to read into that.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: lovemesomeracing on August 07, 2009, 09:24:27 AM
WOW...when i started this thread i was not expecting all of this, i am glad to read so many different opinions on the matter!
i believe the thread is so big because of the mixed feelings of chaos cars...
i agree they r fun to drive, as anything is fun to drive...but i still feel they are just a little to boring for me to get excited about...but it is a young class which  obviously needs work and more cars so who knows what the future holds for our youngest class.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: jworacing on August 07, 2009, 09:35:40 AM
This is exactly why you won't see the KAOS KARZ going anywhere. They are here to stay LOL. So lets just embrase them and get over it.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: BornAgainFan on August 07, 2009, 11:09:09 AM
Regarding cost of caos cars. It does not cost much and as such it appears that some people think that we don't care about the cars. With that in mind the  APC late models it would appear as though they are driving $50.00 cars the way they are smashing them up lately. As far as shape of and look of caos cars, we did try to make a very nice looking car. Too bad it only lasted 4.5 laps. That said we had a fun time and we are definitely still having fun. John assures me that no one has ever lost an engine control module before. Leave to us to be the first. We are learning alot. I have two daughters who will be turning 16 and they are really intertested in this as well. Anyone got a 3 car hauler. Caos is fun and my wife has seemed to relax a little after the first race is under our belts. I think a 10 lap no obsticle course around the front stretch and down the pit lane with hair pin turns @ each end would work great and since there would be less damage RE no 420 degree barrel less accidents = less damage= less cost = maybe more cars and more paticipants. Also I  own an  electrical contracting company and God willing if financialy possibly may be sponsoring some races. I am going to try and work something out with Delaware so hang tight and we will see what happens.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: 3-Wide on August 07, 2009, 11:27:43 AM
I only seen the CC once that was during the APC 300 last year, and I enjoyed it...in saying that 2 at a time for like 30 mins was way to long..and I would have much rather seen another Delaware division running but I still enjoyed it.

The "average fans" or whatever you wanna call them....will make up a higher % in the stands threwout the summer then the diehards, and from talking to friends and other people trying to get them interested in racing.... the first thing you always here is "how often do they crash?" or something along the lines of that..... this caters to those fans..and to the kids.

Like them or not.... there a hot topic, like shadow just said...look how huge this thread is.  either way people are there watching them ..weather it's to be entertained or weather it's for something to complain about....haha
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: crazylady on August 07, 2009, 01:54:26 PM
This goes back to the fact that Chaos cars are not intended to be racing, but provide a different level of entertainment to the crowd.  Delaware is trying to appeal to a broad range of patrons, which includes children.  Most children are not interested in hearing about the technicalities of racing.  They do like to laugh and be entertained, and yes this does include cars crashing into each other, crashing into obstacles, jumping over RV's and enjoying "Bobo" the clown as you so put it.  If you go to Lowe's Speedway mid-week when the Bandolero Bandits are running, as well as the Legends, etc.  there is a mascot there (his name is "LugNut") that does many of the same things that "Bobo" the clown would do.   They also start off the racing evening with a silly race (example: School Bus Slobberknocker).  I think Lowes has a pretty good handle on putting on a top notch program at their track.  There needs to be a balance between both the fun and serious side of racing in order to appeal to all the people that attend. 

Does the Chaos car format need to be changed - probably.  Do we need to be able to laugh and have fun at the track - absolutely. 

I love to watch a good race and the racing at Delaware for the most part is second to none in the area.  Is it perfect no, but Delaware is trying to put on a balanced show week in and week out throughout the race season. 
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: jmaudsley on August 07, 2009, 02:48:50 PM
To follow up on the Crazy Lady post...

You forgot to throw in that those Mid-Week shows at Lowe's also get 5-10,000 people in the stands to watch 3/4 scale cars race on a flat 1/4-mile track.

Again, I'll admit it's in Charlotte, N.C., the heart of Stock Car country, but to get that many people out to a mid-week show is awesome, and if that is part of your template at any other track in North America, it's not a bad template to follow.

For those Chaos Car haters, it's really simple, when the 'regular' show is done, and the chaos cars come out, leave them for the kids to enjoy, I know mine do.  Last time I checked, you aren't locked into the speedway until the entire show is done.

I'm 35-plus and still enjoy playing baseball, so I play once a week in a Slo-Pitch league.  I do realize that there hasn't been a Jays scout in the stands for one of our games all year, but that still doesn't stop me from enjoying to compete, which is exactly why the Chaos Car drivers have decided to participate at that level.  Just don't hack on my swing...
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Snotrod on August 07, 2009, 03:30:40 PM
they had to "g**" it up to get anyone to come out

Sounds like you speak from experience

Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: jmaudsley on August 07, 2009, 03:47:10 PM
Correct, thats because its racing. Replace 3/4 scale race cars with junk and barrels and you aren't going to get 5-10,000 people. So fine replace Chaos cars with 3/4 and race the track properly.

The Legend Cars and Bandalaros is the 'racing' part of the show, not the 'freak' part, Lugnut, the school bus battles, that is the 'freak' element

But if we took your Slo-Pitch and turned into into a joke such as you had to wear a Barney costume with a flashing light on your head and run around 2 barrels to get to 1st would you still be playing? Or if someone decided that your game was not exciting enough they had to "gay" it up to get anyone to come out, how would that make you feel?

Some guys spend 10's of thousands on equipment, decades learning the sport, months in the shop, with muliple men teams to put on a show that is not good enough to attract fans without running foolish little cars around barrels? What does that say? To me its pissing on them.
Our games aren't designed to amuse anyone but the participants, and the girlfriends / wifes that come out to watch and laugh at us, flashing lights, or no flashing lights.  True some guys spend 10's of thousands of $'s on equipment, and I'm sure if Snotrod and the likes had that kind of cash to throw around, they might be in a different division, but they have to start somewhere.  Again, it's aimed more at less 'traditional' fans, and more at the first timers and rookie fans, as well as most importantly the kids.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: charger on August 07, 2009, 04:41:21 PM
 :o sorry guys but i think you are all bangin your head against a wall with this guy no matter what you say he is not going to understand. he is a purist in the most fanatic of ways.  all thats left to be said to him is if you DONT LIKE IT DONT WATCH.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Thayne on August 07, 2009, 06:06:01 PM
I kinda agree with him. you guys don't race stock cars...you race chaos cars...which is cool in its own way but it isnt stock car racing....thats just how i see it...
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: JAMR on August 08, 2009, 10:15:28 AM
Purist? Is that like my friend that didn't want to come to the ISMA show because they only turn left and have push rod engines????? ;D ;D ;D To each his or her own.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: jcrashm2 on August 08, 2009, 01:12:22 PM
Its entertainment. Just like enduro racing, train races, demos, cars jumping stuff, figure eights, roll over contests, KOTH, kid racing soap boxes or bikes.
Some people think watching cars going in circles over and over again isn't a sports and some find stock car racing a total bore.
Sometimes $50,000 cars going around in circles can be pretty boring, that's why i only go when the trucks are on the schedule. Thank god they havent felt the need to move up from being the lowest level scum of Friday nites to a higher classy division. lol.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Dougy109 on August 09, 2009, 09:36:55 PM
I am not stopping until this one reaches ten pages long... GO SNOTT!! The are plans from one of my crew guys, to build a car called "KLEENEX" !
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: hotseat on August 09, 2009, 09:46:09 PM
thats what they need a good old fashioned rivalry, snot vs klennex nicely done!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Snotrod on August 09, 2009, 10:43:02 PM
LOL I'm not afriad to turn your Kleenex into a Snotty Rag! I hope you guys do get sometime together before the season is out. We're looking at a new car for next season if we don't Move up the Ranks.  We're eyeing Trucks or at least Enduro for next year. Seeing how well Youngblood and Demar did in the last enduro, we're thinking something along the lines of 6cyl or less! Now that I've done some Racing, I got the bug and I want to move up! To me, Delaware's plan has worked because I am a competitor for life now!

Let the Sponsor Hunting Begin for 2010!
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Snotrod on August 09, 2009, 10:50:59 PM
To keep the Conversation Rolling, does anyone have any Ideas for Events? I have always wanted to do a figure 8 race, but that would mean certain death for a few cars.  We have been running the same sort of event now since the series started, just switching up a few things here and there. 

Maybe Chaos Soccer!?
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Dougy109 on August 10, 2009, 10:47:21 PM
This is not a county fair, but soccer would be funny as heck!
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: notingtolose on August 10, 2009, 11:00:15 PM
figure 8
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Shadowracer on August 11, 2009, 12:01:36 AM
Soccer has actually been considered I think. Problem is that itd end up more like a demo derby. The other question is what do you use for a ball that will stay on the "playing field" and not be constantly bouncing over the walls and out of play.

Figure 8 I like the idea of. Actually if the Chaos division became a barrel racing division, I think that'd work. One of the things working against the class is the obstacles. In order for it to resonate with the fans it has to be simple...and "thru the bus stop turns, then the slalom, then the 420 barrel turn, then the stop box, is a little too "chaotic"...especially for the kids to follow along with. 

Simple is best, and if I was running it, I'd just use the front straightaway. One barrel at one one end parallel to the end of pit wall, then same deal at the other end. Between the two ends, there's 2 or 3 barrels you have to race around. You could make them all 420 degrees, or you could have the guys zig zagging a la figure 8, except with a couple extra loops. 2 full barrel turns'd probably work better, and you have to go fully around them counter clockwise no matter which direction you're coming from. That'd be chaotic enough to live up to the name.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: BornAgainFan on August 13, 2009, 08:26:39 PM
Any one who might be interested in chaos car racing I have a line on a great car. 1992 Handa accord 4 door rune great. Can't pass Etest but stiil runs great guy wants $400.00 thats cheap body is in good condition. Once again it would be a great chaos car. Unfortunately I don't have the room or I would buy it let me know if any one is interested.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Enduro24 on August 13, 2009, 08:35:16 PM
So who's going to win this Saturday?  I hope Blue Thunder is all fixed up, I'm voting for him.  So close in the last race.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: bornagain on August 13, 2009, 08:39:04 PM
Any one who might be interested in chaos car racing I have a line on a great car. 1992 Handa accord 4 door rune great. Can't pass Etest but stiil runs great guy wants $400.00 thats cheap body is in good condition. Once again it would be a great chaos car. Unfortunately I don't have the room or I would buy it let me know if any one is interested.
Looks light a great opertunity for you Ryan
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Dougy109 on August 14, 2009, 12:17:51 AM
GO SNOT!!!
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Snotrod on August 14, 2009, 10:31:57 PM
 ;D should be a fun, HOT race tomorrow
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: bluethunderdriver on August 15, 2009, 11:48:20 AM
thanks enduro 24!
GO BLUE THUNDER!!  ;D 8) ;)
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: BornAgainFan on August 15, 2009, 11:58:38 AM
Unfortunately Born Again won't be there tonight work and a wedding. Just a thought after watching the "APC late model Chaos cars"  ;D ;Dlast night. How about that for a new name. Maybe they should start single file with 5 laps to go from now on. Could you imagine how many more crashes if the 02 car hadn't had mechanical failure ??? ???
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: bluethunderdriver on August 15, 2009, 12:05:12 PM
BLUE THUNDER IS BACK TO HEALTH HOW IS BORN AGIAN
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Racer43 on August 15, 2009, 06:48:17 PM
Could you imagine how many more crashes if the 02 car hadn't had mechanical failure ??? ???
lol, maybe you should or could keep your BS thoughts or opinions to your self. Did Mark poop in your cornflakes at somepoint?? why would you find it necessary to post that?? "Bornagain" fan??
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: BornAgainFan on August 15, 2009, 11:23:11 PM
Hey Racer 43
Lets be honest here this is not an attack it merely a fairly good odservation. Either 02 is impatient, or too aggresive take your pick either or does not work on a track this size. 02 was the cause of 45 min delay a couple races ago when he the 5 car causing 5 to 44 and thus took out both. All in all it is just racing and Stuff happens. I didn't like what happened to born again in his debut, but it does happen. We are still having fun and I hope you van still enjoy all the series a Delaware.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Shadowracer on August 16, 2009, 12:39:25 AM
What the hell? Has Watson supplanted Stewart as the official APC Late Model whipping boy?

I don't know where you guys get this stuff from. I saw video after the fact from both incidents that night that everyone was mad at him, and didn't see anything untowards. (went over it frame by frame with the race director actually) Sure maybe he could have held it in line a little better with Kennedy on the fronstretch, but that stuff happens. And Sheridan was completely out of line yapping off about Mark like that. (I don't care if he apologized later.)

There's guys out there that are responsible for a lot of bent metal, but Watson doesn't even come close to topping the list. (I'm looking at the 4 car among others. Rubbing may be racing, but someone oughta tell him there's more to racing than rubbing.) There's others, and Wats isn't even near the top of the list.

So what is it? His car look too reminiscent of Kurt Busch...or what? Or is it just that the established guy has set the tone by talking smack about the one rookie who's doing well, and everyone else just said "me too"?
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: nascarguy on August 16, 2009, 09:44:41 AM
Racer 43
I have been reading these forums for quite a while and had to register just to reply to you!  You telling  another poster to stop the BS and keep there opinions to themselves is very hypicritical. LOL  Just as shadow commented,  last year you used Stewart as your own whipping boy for quite a while.  I guess it is OK for you to do it?  I have been watching from the hill for many years and it seems like there is always a driver that is picked on each year.  Justly or not.  This goes back to the Beiderman Hanley days.  So except it and let others have there opinion.  Who is going to be the next years whipping boy?
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Dougy109 on August 16, 2009, 09:58:58 AM
This thread has finally made it to ten pages!! And if you two above, can't talk/type nice... have your momma slap you..... calling other people out, or doing silly things like that on the internet is childish. Also, it makes you look like a telephone tough guy,  :-*
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Shadowracer on August 16, 2009, 10:33:04 AM
Racer 43
Just as shadow commented,¬  last year you used Stewart as your own whipping boy for quite a while.¬  I guess it is OK for you to do it?¬ 

I never said that. Racer43 doesn't need me to stick up for him, but he's always been pretty fair on the boards. The anti-Stewart bit was coming from others.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Racer43 on August 16, 2009, 11:54:09 AM
OK gents. You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. The night the 5 and the 44 parked on the wall on the front chute Watsy was about six positions in front of that deal. He somehow still caused that one? Two weeks ago when the 72 climbed the wall on the start and took out half the field, boy wonder in the booth even announced that the 02 and the 72 made contact causing that one. The 72 was three rows ahead of us. How did Mark manage that one?
My question to Bornagain was in that post he talked about the carnage of the lm racing friday night which was pretty accurate. Why he needed to add the comment about the 02 was I thought uncalled for. Even when we have a bad night and end up parked due to a mechanical failure you still find it necessary to attack him. Thats fine I guess if thats the type of person you are. As they say as long as there talking about ya it dont matter if its good or bad.
As far as me talking about Mr Stewart. If Im not mistaken when I posted about Doug a few years ago I was actually driving the car that was taken out by him. On more then one occasion I might add. And everything I posted on here about him I have said to his face. He knows who I am, Im not hiding behind a screen name, pretty much everyone knows who I am on here.

Back to the Chaos cars discussion its far more entertaining..... Go Snot Rod
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Shadowracer on August 16, 2009, 12:40:55 PM
BTW, and back to the Chaos Cars, Snotty got kinda rooked last night. they did the one on one races agian, then a final that was exactly one lap. Snotty started at the back and didn't have much of a shot in one lap to win the race.

Nice to meet some of you guys last night, and thanks for signing thos autographs for my kid. Nice chatting with you too Wednesday.

There'll be a report of some type in the offing.

Yep, you heard it here first...the Enduro's are getting a little Shadow report love this week. Now I only need the time to write it!

Fun night last night. Say what you want about enduros...that was watching 50 some odd guys driving their asses off. It was a hoot.

Still waiting for Dougys tighty-whitey run, though it  looks like that's a little ways off yet.  :D
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Snotrod on August 16, 2009, 01:48:55 PM
Thanks Guys, I had a blast and I brought the car home in one piece which is nice for a change. I won all my Heat races, but they started me last in the big Finale. I did everything I could in the first barrel, but only managed to severely knock the toe out, to the point where I could hardly make the solom barrels.

I was blown away by the attention we got up on the hill after the race. I signed autographs for a good hour and answered many questions about the class. It was more fun than the race!

Watch for myself in the KOTH in a specially painted car on Friday September 4th, and check out the Snotrod on Saturday September 5th. I'm looking forward to it already!  ;D
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Shadowracer on August 16, 2009, 02:04:09 PM
Yep...witnessed a group photo with about 7 kids posing in a line in front of the Snot Rod. Instead of saying cheese, they all posed with their fingers up their noses. Great fun.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: hotseat on August 16, 2009, 08:04:48 PM
now, lets all be honest...aside from the drivers, please tell me how the hell that chaos car event was entertaining....the one on one thing was sooooo loooong and boring and the 1 lap final was not only boring, it was stupid, its not any kind of race unless every one has a chance to win!!!!
 i would suggest to delaware to NEVER run that style of race again....oh and by the way i was reading this thread and someone said that hunreds of ppl are cheering for the chaos cars...lol...i was listening last night just too see if this person was correct and they could not have been more wrong...there were some blue thunder fans and some snot fans, and some kids cheering...noone else!!!! i was in the beer garden and could not here nothing, and not for lack of trying by the announcer, he was hyping it up the best he could but the fans were just not into it!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Dougy109 on August 17, 2009, 06:52:45 AM
BTW, and back to the Chaos Cars, Snotty got kinda rooked last night. they did the one on one races agian, then a final that was exactly one lap. Snotty started at the back and didn't have much of a shot in one lap to win the race.


Still waiting for Dougys tighty-whitey run, though it  looks like that's a little ways off yet.  :D


!!! They remember !!!  I am hoping to bang it together for the Invitational this Friday.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Shadowracer on August 17, 2009, 07:07:22 AM
!!! They remember !!!¬  I am hoping to bang it together for the Invitational this Friday.

About crazy stuff like that, I have a memory like an elephant.

Just think, this Friday you only have to complete 30-35 laps. I'll have my camera ready.

 :D
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Fsbandit on August 17, 2009, 05:58:46 PM
Hotseat I could agree with you more on the fan base of the chaos cars, just not there, I was in turn 4 and there was not even 1 person cheering.  Sorry to see the bad luck that you guys had in the 129 car. Good luck next race will be watching.

Bandit
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: bluethunderdriver on August 17, 2009, 06:09:50 PM
BLUE THUNDER RULES !!!!! 8) :P
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: BornAgainFan on August 17, 2009, 06:10:48 PM
Racer 43

Wow did I strike a soft spot or what? Here's the thing teh 02 has caught my eye for whatever reason, and I will admit that I may be wrong RE what i said about him causing the 45 min delay. More than one person in the stands that night said they saw it the way i stated. Still I am a man and will admit if I am wrong. So please forgive me if I have offended you or any one else in my comments. Once again I am sorry. As far as hiding behind a computer screen, I have introduced myself earlier in the forum, But for your sake and anyone elses. I am, for lack of a better description, #1 crew chief of Born Again, #2 Part owner or part investor of Born Again, until paid in full for all costs incurred to date. #3 Car hauler and main transporter for BornAgain and fans. #4 and the most important I am Born Again 's driver's dad. I would love to meet with anyone and learn more about racing and we at Born Again Racing welcome all constructive criticism and tips on how to have more fun and safe fun at Delaware speedway. I personnally enjoy these forums it can be fun and a learning experience as well. ONCE AGAIN  RACER 43 please forgive me and I hope to meet you some time in the pits. Please come down and introduce yourself I know I would like to meet you in person so I could apologize to you face to face. Hope were Good now. Race the good race and God bless you.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Racer43 on August 17, 2009, 10:51:53 PM
No worries bud.  It just gets tirering hearing all these nonfactual statements about him. If you feel you want to apologise for your comments come down and see us at the 02 pit.
Peace.... turn left with the hammer down
JD
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Dougy109 on August 20, 2009, 11:15:29 PM
GO WEDNESDAY!! Oh wait.. Go Snot! I do love the WWE feel these guys have, hilarious
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: bornagain on August 20, 2009, 11:49:38 PM
So who all is planning on attending the next race on the great candian race weekend? Hopefully everyone will show up who is on the roster.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Shadowracer on August 23, 2009, 02:51:17 PM
Just a note that Mr. Day is no longer with us on CRO.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Racer43 on August 23, 2009, 05:49:34 PM
Just a note that Mr. Day is no longer with us on CRO.
Ah there goes the neighbourhood. Too busy building his Chaos car? It wont be quite the same without him..... again!!
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: hotseat on August 24, 2009, 07:30:00 AM
where did the rest of this thread go? it was up 2 11 pages,,,, what happened?
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Shadowracer on August 24, 2009, 08:11:42 AM
When Ryan.Day was flushed all of his posts went with him.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Snotrod on August 24, 2009, 11:27:05 PM
Wooooosssssh, even comes with the sparkleing blue water  
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: notingtolose on August 25, 2009, 01:56:31 AM
good day,good luck,good redins.!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ??? ::) :o
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: bornagain on August 25, 2009, 07:30:30 PM
What do people here think about the chaos car bonus money for the next 2 races.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: crazylady on August 25, 2009, 08:04:47 PM
What do people here think about the chaos car bonus money for the next 2 races.

Does this mean the chaos cars are going to pay the same price as everyone else to get in the pits on race night?  The original premise was no payout so therefore a break at the gate.  Just wonder where the money is coming from as the press release does not say that the sponsor has kicked in the cash for the payout.  The money seems to be pretty stout for 8 laps of "racing".  I am wondering of how the truck division will feel about this after their mass destruction last week.

IMO, this is opening up a big ugly bag of snakes.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: ernie on August 25, 2009, 08:31:31 PM
I was kinda thinkn' the same thing ???

Maybe John could give some insight?
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: John on August 25, 2009, 09:51:06 PM
Hello all.  Here is some insight regarding the bonus program, that may clear up some concerns and misconceptions:

The most important concept to wrap our heads around when dealing with the Ultimate Sandblasting & Coating Chaos Cars is that while the Chaos Cars often times race, they are considered an entertainment division.  While other divisions are entertaining, this is an entertainment division  The drivers in the series are under no misconceptions, their class is 80% entertainment, 20% competition - - this is the mandate that is repeated before every Chaos Car driver's meeting.

The funding provided to the series for this payout structure is aimed at doing one thing and one thing only; improving the entertainment value of that show.  It is not a reflection of commentary on anything that is happening in any other division, nor should it be read to be.  Doing so would be comparing apples to oranges.  It is my belief that this program will be seen for what it is: as a positive move forward for the Ultimate Sandblasting & Coating Chaos Cars, not as a slight against any of Canada's best racing divisions.

It has been discussed on these boards at some length that a large part of the Chaos Cars ultimate success between being a mediocre entertainment class and putting on a very excellent show will sit with it's ability to draw out more drivers/cars, and what those drivers/cars do with their equipment once they're out there.  The question comes down to, whether or not we are satisfied with 6-8 car fields for the Ultimate Chaos Cars, or can if it can be much more?  While many would argue the races have been entertaining, I think we would find a good amount of agreement that the series can be much more.

Because of the low-cost of the majority of cars in the group, the amount of payout (extremely small when compared to any of the other divisions) it is projected to have an immediate and meaningful impact on this growing division (which, is just over a season and a half old).

I presented this structure with the aim of ensuring that the Ultimate Sandblasting & Coating Chaos Cars have a strong finish to this season, to give us a very solid foundation for building in 2010.  It is my sincere belief that this bonus program will allow the drivers to do just that.

I am happy to answer any questions about the series and the bonus program.

All the best,

John Houghton
Announcer / PR
Delaware Speedway
(519) 652-5068 Ext 201
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Shadowracer on August 25, 2009, 11:17:35 PM
Wow...125 to win...and only if more than 10 cars show up?

That's sure to make everyone else green with envy.  ::)

Just to keep this in perspective, (because you know here on the boards we're all so good at that) the demolition derby at most fairs pays more than that.

Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Snotrod on August 26, 2009, 12:50:36 AM
I Like it, but then again what did you expect from me.  ;D
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: hotseat on August 26, 2009, 01:45:32 AM
sorry to be a nag but exactly where is this money coming from?...i really hope that delaware is not taking a single cent from the enduros when they race with them.....we do 150 laps plus a 30 heat,we had to finish 6th place and race for 6 years before we had a chance at cash over 40 bucks...
 too much money in my opinion but thats just me...my only real hope is delaware has out sourced for money!
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Dougy109 on August 26, 2009, 07:04:48 AM
Couple hundred bucks, I am sure won't be coming from Enduro guys. I think these guys should get a little for what they do.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: racerx on August 26, 2009, 10:00:52 AM
dont see any value at all in the chaos car division,delaware powers that be should rethink!  I agree it is a fall fair event, so leave it to the fair!
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: BornAgainFan on August 26, 2009, 10:47:32 AM
dont see any value at all in the chaos car division,delaware powers that be should rethink!  I agree it is a fall fair event, so leave it to the fair!
Tell me racerrx where did you get your start from and hey if you think the payout is big come race chaos cars and have some fun. If you don't like that it is to hard to earn money in enduro maybe the powers that be should force the top seated drivers up a class to even out the field.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Shadowracer on August 26, 2009, 11:17:36 AM
If you don't like that it is to hard to earn money in enduro maybe the powers that be should force the top seated drivers up a class to even out the field.¬  Just a thought.

That'd never work. Everytime thiose top enduro guys run with the SuperStox they end up way, way behind.

You know, it just occurred to me that Delaware oughta have a couple of "house cars" for the chaos division. Then whenever two drivers from the upper divisions are involved in a brou-ha with one another, they can settle it in the Chaos Arena, match race style.

Think Kennedy vs Watson on the chaos course wouldn't have at least sold a couple of tickets ?

BTW...the naysayers have had their say Bornagain...don't fight it. Folks either have a sense of humor about racing or they don't.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: crazylady on August 26, 2009, 12:01:55 PM
If you don't like that it is to hard to earn money in enduro maybe the powers that be should force the top seated drivers up a class to even out the field.¬  Just a thought.

That'd never work. Everytime thiose top enduro guys run with the SuperStox they end up way, way behind.

You know, it just occurred to me that Delaware oughta have a couple of "house cars" for the chaos division. Then whenever two drivers from the upper divisions are involved in a brou-ha with one another, they can settle it in the Chaos Arena, match race style.

Think Kennedy vs Watson on the chaos course wouldn't have at least sold a couple of tickets ?

BTW...the naysayers have had their say Bornagain...don't fight it. Folks either have a sense of humor about racing or they don't.

 :)
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Shadowracer on August 26, 2009, 12:58:22 PM
Incidentally, the Chaos prize money is put up by the series sponsor and is not being siphoned off from other divisions. Lets just get rid of that line of thought up front.

No one's taking anything away from anyone.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: John on August 26, 2009, 01:17:07 PM
Incidentally, the Chaos prize money is put up by the series sponsor and is not being siphoned off from other divisions. Lets just get rid of that line of thought up front.

No one's taking anything away from anyone.

Along that lines, but I'll just clarify your wording more specifically:

The series is sponsored, the prize money is not being siphoned off from other divisions.  Funding is available, as is the case with all classes, with the support of our sponsors.  While sponsors do not provide the whole of prize money, their support is very helpful in all racing programs.  Trevor is correct, this was not a case of funding being transfered from one division to another, it is new funding that has been made available.

The series is very fortunate to have a partner like Ultimate Sandblasting & Coatings, much as the other divisions have excellent partners who help out with those programs (ie. Transmission Direct, Demar Aggregates, Powerade, APC Auto Parts Centres).

Again, I'm around for any questions.

-John Houghton
Announcer / PR
Delaware Speedway
(519) 652-5068 Ext 201
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: streetstocker33 on August 26, 2009, 06:05:11 PM
so are they paying full back gate fee?
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: biffisgreat on August 26, 2009, 08:54:51 PM
Hey Chao's guys just so you know, there is going to be a 4cyl enduro at Sauble speedway on Sept. 12th, i'm pretty sure, your cars will make tech  http://www.saublespeedway.com/ (http://www.saublespeedway.com/)
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Racer43 on August 26, 2009, 10:17:32 PM
Hey Chao's guys just so you know, there is going to be a 4cyl enduro at Sauble speedway on Sept. 12th, i'm pretty sure, your cars will make tech¬  http://www.saublespeedway.com/ (http://www.saublespeedway.com/)
Now we're talkin. Do you folks want to learn to race or put on a show. What did John say 80% entertainment 20% competition? In my opinion racing is 100% both.
Streetstocker33 brings up a valid question. Are you paying to play like the rest of us?
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: gwb5757 on August 26, 2009, 11:37:59 PM
I look at it this way (about paying the gate ) these guys have gone to the effort to build cars and come out and try to put on a show with no chance of getting any return on thier investment (but fun) , but now there's what ... a whole $ 125.00 to win and all I'm hearin is ...What they get in free !!! That would be $ 125.00 for the season IF you win (that wont even buy me a tire) !!!  How about giving these guy's a break (reguardless if you like the class or not)  at least the're out there ! Maybe one day one of them will be the guy that moves up and runs real good and you can say I remember when he started out in a Chaos Car !!! I know I sure as heck did'nt start at the top and maybe some of you may think I did'nt amount to much (not many wins and no championships) but I've had one hell of a good time racing what I have and made a lot of GOOD friends doin it !!! Seems that these days we all forget the bottom line ... It's supposed to be fun !!!! Oh just one more thing , I was invited to drive in the corn cob 500 today (what the heck is that all about) and it sounds like a lot of fun so I'll be there and I've heard you can have a co pilot (you in Jay or shadow LOL ) but I'm drivin LMAO !!!
Have fun out there
                                  Brooksie

P.S. I broke a nail typing all this so I may need a back up driver friday ... NOT

Brooksie
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Shadowracer on August 27, 2009, 12:06:09 AM
Oh just one more thing , I was invited to drive in the corn cob 500 today (what the heck is that all about) and it sounds like a lot of fun so I'll be there and I've heard you can have a co pilot (you in Jay or shadow LOL ) but I'm drivin LMAO !!!
Have fun out there

OK I'll bite... The corn cob 500?
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: FromTheStands on August 27, 2009, 12:06:03 PM
Oh just one more thing , I was invited to drive in the corn cob 500 today (what the heck is that all about) and it sounds like a lot of fun so I'll be there and I've heard you can have a co pilot (you in Jay or shadow LOL ) but I'm drivin LMAO !!!
Have fun out there

OK I'll bite... The corn cob 500?

That just has all the signs of being something Jerimiah/Spencer and the 51/BushBomb team have cooked up.
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: charger on August 27, 2009, 02:24:52 PM
I look at it this way (about paying the gate ) these guys have gone to the effort to build cars and come out and try to put on a show with no chance of getting any return on thier investment (but fun) , but now there's what ... a whole $ 125.00 to win and all I'm hearin is ...What they get in free !!! That would be $ 125.00 for the season IF you win (that wont even buy me a tire) !!!¬  How about giving these guy's a break (reguardless if you like the class or not)¬  at least the're out there ! Maybe one day one of them will be the guy that moves up and runs real good and you can say I remember when he started out in a Chaos Car !!! I know I sure as heck did'nt start at the top and maybe some of you may think I did'nt amount to much (not many wins and no championships) but I've had one hell of a good time racing what I have and made a lot of GOOD friends doin it !!! Seems that these days we all forget the bottom line ... It's supposed to be fun !!!! Oh just one more thing , I was invited to drive in the corn cob 500 today (what the heck is that all about) and it sounds like a lot of fun so I'll be there and I've heard you can have a co pilot (you in Jay or shadow LOL ) but I'm drivin LMAO !!!
Have fun out there
¬  ¬  ¬  ¬  ¬  ¬  ¬  ¬  ¬  ¬  ¬  ¬  ¬  ¬  ¬  ¬  ¬ ¬ Brooksie

P.S. I broke a nail typing all this so I may need a back up driver friday ... NOT

Brooksie

well put so abig +1000 on that is'nt fun what its all suposed to be about anyway none of us is getting rich doing this LOL
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Snotrod on August 28, 2009, 03:51:12 PM
I saw this video and immediately thought of Chaos Car Soccer

http://www.break.com/index/cars-blasting-giant-ball-stunt.html#id1116561 (http://www.break.com/index/cars-blasting-giant-ball-stunt.html#id1116561)
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Dougy109 on August 28, 2009, 03:55:35 PM
@ Charger.... I was rich!! Until I started racing LOL ;D ;D

@Snot.... I am stealing tents for canvas to make that soccer ball as we speak. GO SNOT
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: bornagain on August 29, 2009, 12:37:56 AM
I saw this video and immediately thought of Chaos Car Soccer

Now this would be fun.  We should do it for the last event of the year
we could go and set up a field in the campgrounds ha ha, and go play after the races if delaware wouldn't let us do this event
lol ;) ;)
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Snotrod on August 29, 2009, 04:52:08 PM
hahaha I'm game bornagain, that would be hilarious
Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: bornagain on September 06, 2009, 05:10:33 PM
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what a load of crap that they cancelled the choas race all because the LOSC run more caution laps than green flag raps.  Something needs to be done to the competitiors who paid at the gate because they have more than 2 crew.  Something needs to be done to ensure this NEVER EVER happens again.  This is not like delaware.  The guy who made the call to cancell the race should have been down in the pits explaining to all us drivers why the race was cancelled instead of leaving John to do it.  So why dont we get an explantion and an apology from the people who actually made the call. Somehow all mus chaos car drivers need to be compensated for the expenses of getting to the race and not being able to race.  If it was weather related i would understand, but it wasn't so therefore this is bullcrap.  Now they should run doubles for the chaos cars at the nationals so we have a chance to make up for the lost points and so the prizing is still paid out for the last two races of the year.  Everyone that readds this should send a letter to delaware by email explaining how they feel and stating this should never be allowed to happen again.
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Title: Re: chaos cars
Post by: Snotrod on September 06, 2009, 06:32:45 PM
Cam, I strongly urge you to call the track on tuesday and voice your thoughts. Thats the route I have chosen to take. Depending on what is done will determine what we do for the final race.