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Offline charger

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« on: January 05, 2008, 11:15:01 AM »
so with the changes going on at barrie this year what do you think the car counts are going to be like this year up or down? ???

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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2008, 12:46:29 PM »
I am guessing down in every division cept LLM and perhaps chargers will stay the same...

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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2008, 01:31:54 PM »
Well LLM might be about the same with the now possible losing of Watson, G. Reynolds looking to go OSCAAR,will McWhirter be back? Ive seen the car for sale on a few different sites,  Darren Malcom selling, Steve Quesnelle in search of a budget to run, and will K. Reynolds be p/t of f/t.

Those are the possible losses, gains are Kyle Baker? and that really all I know of.

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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2008, 02:15:08 PM »
a gain would also be the guy that bought temples chassis

and the mcwhirter car for sale on the websites is their old varney car that finished second to mclellan, however their barrie car is also for sale "for the right price"

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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2008, 02:47:57 PM »
Well Doherty I hope you are wrong with some of your hearsay speculation.  The car McWhirter has for sale is a spare car not the car he ran Barrie or the year end specials at Flammy and Pete, it was the 98 car driven by Steve Smith the year before.  The other four guys you mentioned are just some sponsorship dollars away from running a full season as are most racers.  

I can't help but believe some of the LLM drivers around Ontario and even some LM teams have to be taking a good look at all the positive things coming out of Barrie.  The biggest knock on Barrie in the past was on track calls and tech with the hiring of Brian Thomas I would say the new ownership group has addressed these problems.  Mr Thomas comes from doing the same job the last several seasons at St Estache where he was very well liked and highly respected by the racers, before that he has several years experience with Cascar and Delaware.  As for new rules the 100lb weight break for the crate has been removed so guys from other tracks with built engines can now run at Barrie with the same weight as the crate cars.  As for the LM guys with 105 cars and aftermarket spindles no longer have weight percentage penalties as all cars are now the same with 55% left and 50% rear.  Then there is the payout, simply put has to be the best in Canada when you compare the cost to race at Barrie to the amount of money that can be won.  Tell me where you can run a 35 lap race on a small track with a $4000 engine that pays a $1000 to win.  Then you have the year end points payout $7500 for first and $3150 for second and so on.  Plus you have the Nascar Canada money on top of that, and the extra year end draws for Carbs, Shocks, Body, 1/2 off Body, $750 Bayside credit.  The points champ Baker took home around $10,000 cash plus many extra prizes like 1/2 off a body, Bell Helmet, Drivers suit etc.  I wonder what the Delaware, Flamboro or Kawartha LM champs took home?  Or the Sunset, Varney, Mosport, Peterboro, Kawartha LLM champs took home?

It would be awesome to see a weekly field of 30 plus cars where everybody would have to quailfy to make the feature.  Heats would be very entertaining and the points race would be very interesting.

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Re: car counts
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2008, 02:58:20 PM »
just a quick thought on the points payout

** These are 2007 Points Payouts, 2008 will vary based on car counts.

Now how do you not have a set payout, what happens if there 10 cars, more money for those who ran or is it less if there 15 plus cars, So how do you say 7,500 for the winner if its not set?

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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2008, 02:59:46 PM »
Im not bashing or anything just rather curious as to how that works?

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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2008, 03:15:13 PM »
Just because Keith sold his chassis doesn't mean he is not building another one to race.  You can count on seeing Keith out this season in LLM.

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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2008, 03:16:48 PM »
I almost forgot about that one.

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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2008, 03:40:15 PM »
Well Doherty, I don't know for sure but I would think the points payout will be at the very least the same as 2007 if not higher.  I say this due to several reasons, on the Barrie home page it states the 2008 points payout will top $20,000.  In 2007 it was $20,500, distributed to the top 15.  As you stated it mentions on the payout page 2008 will vary based on car counts.  I take that as it may payout further back then 15 if there is a field of 20 plus cars most nights, which would make 2008 payout larger than 2007.  Another reason for this positive thinking is that they have already increased the weekly payout and reduced the racers weekly expenses by lowering tire costs.  Not to mention dropping gate fees for children 12 and under.  Also the new owners bring alot to the table when it comes to running successful business'.  One of the three partners has several years of marketing experience and business improvement experience. If you saw the marketing video they played at the drivers meeting you would believe if there is sponsorship dollars available in Canada they will find it, and the more they find the more will be available to be distributed amongst the participants.

I'm not bashing either but how much was Sunset's LLM points payout?

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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2008, 03:43:01 PM »
No idea, those werent attatched to the rule handouts, i have no idea what the payout is. I know 800 to win a normal 30 lapper and 1000 to win a 50 lapper.

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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2008, 03:55:26 PM »
Well I would be suprised if Morrow took home $2000 cash.  This is not really a knock against Sunset as most asphalt tracks in Ontario have very low year end points payouts.  That's why the Barrie points payout stands out, it is much greater then Ontario tracks even much higher than the true LM classes at Delaware, Kawartha and Flamboro that require a more expensive car to compete for alot less money.  That's why Barrie is the place to race in 2008!

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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2008, 04:03:21 PM »
Just because Keith sold his chassis doesn't mean he is not building another one to race.  You can count on seeing Keith out this season in LLM.

no one has said anything to the contrary



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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2008, 04:04:27 PM »
Place to race or the place to try to make money racing?

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Re: car counts
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2008, 04:13:57 PM »
Not knocking once again just saying. Who supplys the Barrie LM tires at barrie? Is it the same supplier as Sunset Kawartha, Peterborough and Mosport?

Also you may have one more car. Big Dog where are you going for 2008?

And if the gate fee dropped this year to $15 what was it last year?
And Sunset is cheaper by a dollar, cheaper for students and seniors and kids 11 and under are free.
By all means i wish barrie all the best im not bashing just enjoy a nice conversation, nice to talk without it turing into bashing.

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