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Offline JoeChance

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Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2007, 07:52:13 AM »
 Maybe i can get this thread back on track . No one said NASCAR has done anything wrong although you may get some that think letting anyone run their first Cup race at Dega in the middle of the chase was not a wise decision .
  The difference between Montoya and Villeneuve is that someone went out and hired Montoya on merit and Villeneuve is just a ride buyer . Anyone that has followed racing for a while saw what ride buyers did to the CART series starting in the late 80s early 90s . This discussion is just about wether you think its a bad thing or it doesn't really matter . Everytime a Guseppi Strombolli who once ran 4th in a Formula Whocares race and father made a billion dollars in the button business in Europe buys his kid a ride in a Cup car there will be one less seat available for some kid who worked his way up from the short tracks in North America .

  Is there anything that can stop this , probally not CART couldn't stop it . On the brite side i will probally be watching less NASCAR and attending more short track racing where Guseppi Strombolli couldn't run in the top 5 in the Thunder car class .

 

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Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2007, 07:52:13 AM »

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Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2007, 08:25:38 AM »
Agreed Joechance...
The big picture here is NASCAR has been the hottest deal in Motorsports for some time now and any Driver that wants to race at the Worlds highest level of competition will do anything these days to come to NASCAR.
NASCAR, once the Southern Boy's territory, has gone global and is attracting not just the Drivers but major league Sponsors to fuel the sport.
Is it a good move on JV's part to come aboard ???- hell ya.

For everyone in the know they know the reality of Montoya coming over to NASCAR- it was offered up with more side dishes then GrandMa's turkey dinner. In short allot of money was deposited into Montoya's NASCAR budget which made the move possable.

As far as open wheel drivers coming to the worlds biggest Stock Car Series, it was just a matter of time.
The IRL and Cart now have a bigger issue then the question of what series is going to survive ??
Now it turns to the bigger question- How are we going to survive without Star's in cars ??

NASCAR's format is based on making the show... "A really big showwww" using the words of Ed Sullivan.
When your the biggest and the best you inherit the authority of saying, 'We are the Worlds best !!!', and that my friends is what NASCAR has grown and earned.
Who knows- the next big storey could be Jackie Stewart is making a comeback in a NASCAR program..... 
   

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Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2007, 10:08:02 AM »

Who knows- the next big storey could be Jackie Stewart is making a comeback in a NASCAR program..... 
   

I'd love to see that race.

"Jackie!, Jackie! You don't need to race to the car. You start from in the car!"
"Yes, yes, I know, the mechanic stays in the pits nowadays."

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« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2007, 10:43:46 AM »
I would beg to differ on Nascar being the worlds best racing series. I would agree however, that it is North Americas best racing series. The thing that puzzles me though, is that we are quick to complain about low car counts, lack of sponsorship, and poor fan turnout in stock car racing today. All Nascar is, is a stock car organisation that attracts the car counts, sponsorship as well as the fans, and we complain about them too! As for ride buying versus earning a top ride, ride buying is going to happen whether we like it or not. It is the same as here in the real world, some people have to earn everything they have, others have it handed to them on a silver platter. It's the way of the world folks!

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Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2007, 08:06:06 PM »
i have had to BUY every ride i have had from go carts to slm and will continue to do so. i have also had to go out and sell my program to sponsors and will continue to do so. bear in mind this sale is more than just finishes on the track anymore. they want displays a spokesperson charity involvement etc.how you sell your self as a person is just as important as on track finishes even at the club level if one wishes to maintain current sponsors. how is the any different than JV "buying his ride". this will give us two Canadians to hope for next year if carp is in the 10 ride. ps on the UNICEF thing maybe this was bill davis or jv charity of choice and they were paid nothing or were paid by one of the other corporate partners. i myself ran child find for nothing for two years but it led to $$$ sponsors the year after.

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Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2007, 09:39:20 PM »
going back to mids mention of Air Force Top Gun....did u kno there was nothing called a Top Gun until the movie came out...and that after they started it, a Canadian pilot was invited once and he cleaned up.

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Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2007, 12:46:05 PM »
That is true, it was called Naval Advanced Fighter School or something like that... The Air Force has the Red Flag events which are similar...

It all has its roots in the Vietnam conflict when air tactics were not producing enough "kills" on the North Vietnamese Air Force, the Air Force ratio was 1:1 and the Navy I think was 2:1.

It is fairly common knowledge that Canada has some of the best trained Military pilots in the world...

But enough off topic stuff for now...

Canada has produced some great drivers over the years too, Gilles Villeneuve (Jacque's father) was a madman on the track and is still to this day revered by Ferrari fans in Italy. He truly was a legend...



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Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2007, 05:13:33 PM »
I really doubt Montoya's deal is just based talent based . He has a history with Ganassi and is likely more than just a hired gun. JV is a world F1 champion, and an Indy 500 and Cart champion , he is an asset to Nascar no matter how he landed the ride. He ,Dario and Juan Pablo are making the good ol boys sport into a world body , as a fan of the tv coverage  , I applaud the move.

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« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2007, 06:21:28 PM »
The thing that would worry me the most about this, is that although Villeneuve won the world championship, his latter years in F1 were not quite as good! He had an unlimited racing budget, but he lacked the passion and drive to bring his team to anything better than rock bottom. he wouldn't show up for sponsors functions, and even walked out of a team in breach of contract with races left on the schedule! allthough I would love to be proven wrong, I think that Jacques in Nascar is a disaster waiting to happen!

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Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2007, 07:16:24 PM »
i dont know silverstone you wrap a four hundred pound piece of lead around my butt call it a BAR and i would not finish anywhere but rock bottom. he show all he needed to when he did not flinch when mighty mike tried to take him out, plus he his Gilles kid give him at least a shot.

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Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2007, 08:25:44 PM »
I really doubt Montoya's deal is just based talent based . He has a history with Ganassi and is likely more than just a hired gun. JV is a world F1 champion, and an Indy 500 and Cart champion , he is an asset to Nascar no matter how he landed the ride. He ,Dario and Juan Pablo are making the good ol boys sport into a world body , as a fan of the tv coverage  , I applaud the move.

  I am not sure i have seen a more derisory post on this site . I have met Chip/Cheap Ganassi and he does not have a quixotic bone in his body just ask Jason Lefler , Jamie McMurry , Sterling Marlin , Jimmy Spencer to name a few . Montoya has a Indy 500 win Cart Championship and F1 wins and more importantly they are all more recent then JVs.
 It has been over a decade since Villeneuve has won anything not to mention all the baggage he brings with him . (see Silverstones post) . You must think you are smarter then every NASCAR owner because not a single one wanted him on his own merit. . Villeneuve did not land a ride he bought a ride and hopefully he will fail miserably and it will deter the other rat bastard ride buyers from trying it . NASCAR has done pretty well for its self over the last 50 plus years with the most gentile , approachable participants of any major sport or as you refer to them "good ol boys"

     You may applaud the move but i deplore it .

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Re: Villeneuve buys Bill Davis Racing?
« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2007, 08:57:20 PM »
I really doubt Montoya's deal is just based talent based . He has a history with Ganassi and is likely more than just a hired gun. JV is a world F1 champion, and an Indy 500 and Cart champion , he is an asset to Nascar no matter how he landed the ride. He ,Dario and Juan Pablo are making the good ol boys sport into a world body , as a fan of the tv coverage  , I applaud the move.

  I am not sure i have seen a more derisory post on this site . I have met Chip/Cheap Ganassi and he does not have a quixotic bone in his body just ask Jason Lefler , Jamie McMurry , Sterling Marlin , Jimmy Spencer to name a few . Montoya has a Indy 500 win Cart Championship and F1 wins and more importantly they are all more recent then JVs.
 It has been over a decade since Villeneuve has won anything not to mention all the baggage he brings with him . (see Silverstones post) . You must think you are smarter then every NASCAR owner because not a single one wanted him on his own merit. . Villeneuve did not land a ride he bought a ride and hopefully he will fail miserably and it will deter the other rat bastard ride buyers from trying it . NASCAR has done pretty well for its self over the last 50 plus years with the most gentile , approachable participants of any major sport or as you refer to them "good ol boys"

     You may applaud the move but i deplore it .

Very well said. The new blood to the sport are all rich,cocky, jerks....unfortunately thats the way it goes when you get some money....you tunr into someone who is better than anyone else

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« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2007, 10:04:37 PM »
i don't know silverstone you wrap a four hundred pound piece of lead around my butt call it a BAR and i would not finish anywhere but rock bottom. he show all he needed to when he did not flinch when mighty mike tried to take him out, plus he his Gilles kid give him at least a shot.

Hill3, that is why world champions command the big bucks. They are meant to work with their teams to turn a four hundred pound piece of lead into a winning machine! Look at Michael Schumacher. When he left Benetton for Ferrari in 1996, everyone thought he was crazy! The Ferrari's were no more than a 400 pound piece of lead! they were simply not competitive. It took three years, but the Ferrari's went on to dominate F1 winning seven constructors titles, including a record breaking six consecutive titles. How BAR were ever expected to become more than a 400 pound piece of lead, when their "star driver" would barely do any more than show up on race day, is beyond me.

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« Reply #43 on: October 25, 2007, 10:05:50 AM »
silverstone it sure helps when it appears bernie and max are bending over to help the flagship.

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« Reply #44 on: October 25, 2007, 12:15:20 PM »
sounds like joechance got stiffed for an autograph from jv back in the CART days ;D


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