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Offline 22fan

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Nascar killed Nascar... Now they're going to kill Can-AM
« on: September 06, 2008, 10:42:01 PM »
Say good bye to good racing in Can-Am...

http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/headlines/cup/09/06/nascar.grand.am/index.html

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Nascar killed Nascar... Now they're going to kill Can-AM
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Re: Nascar killed Nascar... Now they're going to kill Can-AM
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2008, 12:29:47 AM »
You didn't think it was messed up before?

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Re: Nascar killed Nascar... Now they're going to kill Can-AM
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2008, 01:55:22 PM »
the quote from jim hunter scares me as ma grand am fan. by simplify i hope it does not mean dumb down. this is not a series that needs to chase the lowest common fan denominator, imho.

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Re: Nascar killed Nascar... Now they're going to kill Can-AM
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2008, 02:46:36 PM »
I think the outcry is hilarious, that Grand-Am's going to get messed up now that it's officially under NASCAR control as opposed to being seperate in name only before. Compared to ALMS and compared to where it was pre-Daytona Prototype, the dumbing-down has already happened....

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Re: Nascar killed Nascar... Now they're going to kill Can-AM
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2008, 03:32:53 PM »
pre nascar grand am had the best broadcasting setup, good car counts ,no chase ,no top 35 ,no cot five chassis and engine manufactures, good exciting races now thanks to the braintrust at nascar they are going to simplify things. i think grand ams days are numbered. nascar hate competition that is why the frances help destroy open wheel racing and now what to attack touring series.

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Re: Nascar killed Nascar... Now they're going to kill Can-AM
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2008, 03:35:55 PM »
You mean to tell me the Daytona Prototype wasn't the original COT? Go check your sportscar history again.

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Re: Nascar killed Nascar... Now they're going to kill Can-AM
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2008, 04:45:55 PM »
push ^^^^ ;D ;D

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Re: Nascar killed Nascar... Now they're going to kill Can-AM
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2008, 04:55:12 PM »
You know, given the rumblings of ISC and the like, I don't think short-term its about NASCAR going after series to kill them, but about playing a shell game in case ISC runs into trouble. Long-term, it's all about killing the IRL (hint: look at what  classes Grand-Am also controls) after they did all the dirty work in getting NASCAR to where it is.

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Re: Nascar killed Nascar... Now they're going to kill Can-AM
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2008, 04:58:25 PM »
Well Longstreet we still have IndyCar Racing which kicks nascar butt. I am watching the race from ChicagoLand and its a sold out deal. These guys are running 3 wide- 2 and 3 rows deep- at an AVERAGE SPEED of 212MPH. Lets just hope nascar doesnt take an intreast in buying out the Indy Car deal and screwing that up as well.
Im with you Longstreet- nascar needs to step back and focus on what made them sucsessful...Stock Cars that mirrored what came out of a showroom and racing that ment door to door- not back door to back door!

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Re: Nascar killed Nascar... Now they're going to kill Can-AM
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2008, 05:09:38 PM »
LOL. NASCAR isn't interested in buying them out, they're interested in killing them. The Indy situation a month ago wasn't just about tires, but a warning shot from NASCAR across Tony George's bow that Daytona's calling the shots.

PS: The IRL is just like NASCAR - spec cars, a lack of talented drivers and manipulated races. It's like watching plate racing circa 2000 every week.

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Re: Nascar killed Nascar... Now they're going to kill Can-AM
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2008, 05:24:27 PM »
I will agree with you on the Driver comparison. You have your talent at 20%, then your sponsored drivers at 45%, and the balance from rich homes!

The Tire issue at Indy was 100% the screwup of Goodyear Tire, who are very much in financial trouble and facing the facts that they may have to shut down Akron.
Nascar bent over backwards to try and put on a show at Tony's Speedway, and even went as far as bringing in 3 tractor trailer loads of tires from the allotment sitting at Pocono. The only reason those tires were not used at Indy instead of the Tire that was giving all the trouble is because Goodyear told Nascar there is no way they would have enough time to build tires for the Pocono race if they were to use the inventory at Indy.

Just wanted to point out what really happend... get your facts straight.

As for Nascar crushing Indy Car....LOL.... I mean really...LOL 

P.S. Once upon a time Daytona was the biggest race in Nascar....and now it's Indianapolis.
Who did you say has the upper hand ???

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Re: Nascar killed Nascar... Now they're going to kill Can-AM
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2008, 06:21:11 PM »
The IRL and any suggestion of the upper hand  :D has diddly to do with the fact that the NASCAR race at INDY overshadows DAYTONA.

Having been at both on more than 1 occasion they both can be very boring , and loads of empty seats at both venues this year.

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Re: Nascar killed Nascar... Now they're going to kill Can-AM
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2008, 06:21:35 PM »
NASCAR still has the upper hand here by leaps and bounds over the IRL and IMS, and I'll tell you why. Just as it costs a TON of money to wage a war between nations, it's cost the IRL a ton of money to win the civil war against CART/CCWS since 1996. With the Indy 500 diminishing in popularity, the Brickyard 400 gaining popularity by leaps and bounds and with the early results of unification looking to be (at best) a bust, where do you think the money to run the IRL is coming from? To make a long story short, Indy and the IRL need NASCAR and the revenue they provide, more than NASCAR needs Indy.

It's not coming from a title sponsor, they haven't had one in some time. It isn't coming from the TV networks; in fact, the IRL will have to pay for every race, minus Indy, to be on Versus/ESPN for the next 10 years. While major funding for the League came from the engine manufacturers a few seasons ago, Honda is chipping next to nothing into the League now, and makes rumblings about once an offseason about being unhappy about the direction of the League (no competition between manufacturers and the lack of turbos). As it stands now, most of the revenue coming into the IRL comes from the Speedway and the Hulman family fortune. Now, I don't know how well Clabber Girl baking powder is doing on the stock exchange lately, but I sincerely doubt it's paying much of the bills for the IRL and the Speedway. Hopefully you can connect the dots from there. 

 



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Re: Nascar killed Nascar... Now they're going to kill Can-AM
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2008, 06:28:33 PM »
NASCAR can survive without Indy. The Speedway to an extent, and especially the Indy Racing League, need NASCAR in order to survive. Maybe the Grand-Am buyout is nothing but a shuffling of the Daytona Beach deck, or maybe it's positioning for a run at IMS. Considering how big the 400 is up there, you don't think NASCAR wants the whole pie, one way or another?

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Re: Nascar killed Nascar... Now they're going to kill Can-AM
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2008, 06:31:56 PM »
 Boy. There is still a lot of NASCAR bashing on this site isn't there. I don't want to sound like a Nascar apologist but people shouldn't let their personal dislike for the Nascar formula get in the way of some facts. How many other series' have the variety of engine and manufacturers? Most other racing series' have only a few drivers/teams with a realistic chance of winning a race. Fan attendance has to tell something doesn't it? Other series' have some questionable rules and rulings also. Don't like the COT? Not much difference in car appearance in other forms of racing (in the same classes). I found the old twisted sister car of the past few years ugly as hell. If there was mass appeal for any other form of racing as there is in Nascar, wouldn't it show in some capacity? Race Tracks? Fan attendance? Sponsorships? Purses? Television coverage? Souvenirs?
 I admit that I'm a bit of a Nascar junky, but I've been watching many different forms of racing for many years. I prefer "stock" cars on an oval track (preferably a short track) but enjoy a wide variety of racing. No one is forcing me to watch other forms of racing, I choose to. Why watch or go to something and then b*tch about it. Just don't watch (and then Nascar will fade away, right?) lol
 As with other things in life, we sometimes think that we can do a better job than the people doing it now.
 Gotta stop this rant now, my finger is getting sore from typing.

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