Posted by: spindoctor
« on: January 21, 2010, 08:06:40 PM »I noticed you have a few sponsors for your mini-truck so would they not move up to the truck or ss series at Delaware and help you out with a ride...it'd would be more exposure for them...
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Posted by: 25_JLM_13hp« on: January 21, 2010, 02:18:59 PM »Sorry Shadow but I don't fully agree with your idea on the mini race vehicles.Originally started out for kids 8-16 to give them a place to race and learn and find out if they wanted to race. Yes there was a few dirt tracks in london area where the adults raced 440 sprints for fun and one is still going. They started a kids division as well and that is where we began before cascar jr came about. Not everyone has the time/finances/garage space/crew help to be able to run a full size car but this gives them a division where they can still get their adrenillan rush. More power to them. I don't think it takes away from the car counts at the full size tracks but probably complements them. Without the mini divisions I don't think we would have advanced into our present day race program. Just my opnion. 100% agree. Not all of us can move up. How many weekly classes in Ontario right now boast fields between 20-27 vehicles per night, with 10 than can win on any given night? Mini-trucks can  (and I'm not saying this to try and advertise the track or division, this is JMO.) Trust me, I have spent a few years looking at other divisions, options for moving up, but I lack the fundamentals: garage space and cold hard cash! As much as I would love to run a SS or truck at Delaware, because they look like a lot of fun, I simply can't.In response to Shadow, there is a lot of half scale racing going on in the London area, but it is all concentrated at two or three tracks: Chestermans, Tilsonburg, and Grand Bend. Build another track, and you will pull from those tracks, especially since the vast majority of those guys racing at the Bend are from the London area. Perhaps Delaware should start working a little more closely with the micro racing people, not just their own Junior program, and try and strengthen scale racing as a whole. Wow, how did we go from Modifieds to NASCAR stars to Junior Late Models? Posted by: Shadowracer« on: January 21, 2010, 12:18:54 PM »I get what you're saying Matt, and I don't begrudge the little cars, particularly as a training ground for kids. Its a great program.
Simply pointing out that the options for the motor racing dollar for adults are varied and not restricted to full size cars. Quite frankly, I'd like to see Delaware build a little oval or something (back by the campground maybe....something you can park on when not in use?) and run some of those mini cars/sprints/trucks there....get the adults that are running them working a little closer with the speedway instead of racing in a field somewhere. Just a thought. Posted by: LAKER77« on: January 20, 2010, 06:17:27 PM »Sorry Shadow but I don't fully agree with your idea on the mini race vehicles.Originally started out for kids 8-16 to give them a place to race and learn and find out if they wanted to race. Yes there was a few dirt tracks in london area where the adults raced 440 sprints for fun and one is still going. They started a kids division as well and that is where we began before cascar jr came about. Not everyone has the time/finances/garage space/crew help to be able to run a full size car but this gives them a division where they can still get their adrenillan rush. More power to them. I don't think it takes away from the car counts at the full size tracks but probably complements them. Without the mini divisions I don't think we would have advanced into our present day race program. Just my opnion.
Posted by: Shadowracer« on: January 20, 2010, 05:48:56 PM »Now the racing money seems to be spread out over too many classes. Take out the trucks, thunders, enduros, mods, mini stocks, four funs, bombers, on and on and yes maybe even the chaos cars and you would see bigger fields in the SS's and LM's everywhere. Also, (and this doesn't get spoken to all that often) I beleive the various options for mini style racing have also taken a big chunk out of stock car racing's counts....more than anyone realizes. I'm talking about micro sprints, mini trucks, jcars etc. The guy that figures out a way to woo some of those guys into a full size race car might just have a key to car count troubles everywhere. BTW, did anyone notice the sheer volume of those mini type machines at the CPT show? It blew me away actually. Posted by: Racer43« on: January 20, 2010, 05:39:19 PM »LMFAN is bang on with this one. The ROI for the showdown event is a no brainer for the track. Everybody and their brother with a LM will want to try and qualify I would think. Hell if thats the case the back gate may cover the 70g's. lol And any serious race fan will want to see their local boys race with the big dogs aswell IMO. Or maybe its all overrated and it will flop, but I'm doubting it.
AS far as the modifieds go. I've said it before I guess I'll say it again. When your basically spending the same amount of money to run a mod or a LM why would you want to run for less money against fewer cars in a class thats not as easy to sell to potential sponsors. Dont get me wrong I love the mods and some of them seem to have no problem getting the money to afford to run them. Theres really only a handful of competitive guys. Why?? Some mistakes were made in the rule changes over the past few years IMO hurting the the chances of the classes growth. ie 604 crate, tire rule, tube clips yada yada. Had lunch with a guy today who has raced all over hells half for many years. We were talkin bout car counts in general everywhere. He had a good point. Remember back in the day when you went to a track there would proly only be two classes of cars. Both classes would have great counts. Now the racing money seems to be spread out over too many classes. Take out the trucks, thunders, enduros, mods, mini stocks, four funs, bombers, on and on and yes maybe even the chaos cars and you would see bigger fields in the SS's and LM's everywhere. Also it wouldnt be so tough to get a touring series off the ground because the promoters wouldnt be so worried about losing their precious meal tickets. Wow I guess thats my rant for the day. Cheers Posted by: ernie« on: January 20, 2010, 05:05:14 PM »Im sorry but that's not accurate. The mod class never even came into being until after some form of muffler mandate. I don't believe the Delaware mods have ever not had muflers. ISMA doesn't run mufflers. The mods are only running what 8 times this year with probably only 8 cars max? Let them rip the mufflers off or at least allow a throatier one. I really think this has something to do with the show they put on and the impression it leaves the fan with. Posted by: LMFAN« on: January 20, 2010, 03:05:45 PM »Hello just wondering why no one has replyed or commented on the last post that ziggy placed under my name??? are there other people that feel the same about the late models and just are affraid to say or agree?? just wondering. I also think the track could have spent the pile of money on other things instead of the 3 nascar driver thay are having.On other things?  ?The return on that investment is huge. It cost them 70000.00 for the 3 guys true but just look at the gate. Minimum tickets sold 5000 at 40.00 a piece = 200000.00 plus concessions beer tent back gate and tickets sold the day of the race. The place will have in excess of 10000 people there I would think. I really can't see them stopping at 5000 but even if they do a profit of 50000.00 after insurance and payout. I would take that all day everyday. I think it is a great deal for everyone invloved. Posted by: Shadowracer« on: January 20, 2010, 11:45:38 AM »If you have been around long enough you might notice the car counts started to taper off around the time the mufflers were mandated. Im sorry but that's not accurate. The mod class never even came into being until after some form of muffler mandate. I don't believe the Delaware mods have ever not had muflers. Mind you, the mufflers have changed...the mods did used to be louder. Unfotunately, the world the way it is, running without mufflers is not on the table. Not in 2010. Posted by: crew« on: January 20, 2010, 02:10:50 AM » Just took a quick look at the 2010 rules, looks the the prices are going up again, a coupler is aloud in place of the toque converter on the automatic, this will have the guys with the standards squealing. THATS a huge advantage with that much less rotating weight, Gonna have to find a glide, thats gonna wake up the deadist of engines an make them look like a killer. thats like 30 pounds of the back of the crank. Are the standard guys going to be able to install the ram coupler so they can keep up? Man those people that wright the rules are nice an smart. The only paved track in Ont. to allow couplers on the weekly cars.
Posted by: crew« on: January 20, 2010, 01:28:29 AM » Ernie i like the way you're thinkin, the muffler thing is right on, these things need to bark and bark hard so the fans can feel it while they are standing in line for a beer wondering what there missing. The Mods should be aloud to live up to there name, MODIFIED, they are by no means a stock car. I really like the look of the Troyer tour type mod, 2.5" off the ground 40" to the top of the roof, 13" wide sneakers, make em reasonably sticky so you can grow a set an get to outside an get the job done. carb sticking way outa the hood , an some 3.5" pipes sticking out both sides to announce its presence. ALL WE NEED IS SOME REAL MEN TO NUT UP DRIVE. To many pussys scared of the open front wheels thinkin they need fenders and a full front bumper so when they can't pass they don't have to be all that accurate when they run into the car in front of them to move em. If you have been around long enough you might notice the car counts started to taper off around the time the mufflers were mandated.
Posted by: ernie« on: January 19, 2010, 04:25:04 PM »Shadow hit that nail square on the head. As far as the track spending money.....they don't have any unless the butts are in the seats and the 'Summer Showdown' will have a lot of butts!. I would consider myself a pretty knowledgeable race fan, even though I can't get to the track more then a few times a year, and I do like watching the modifieds but......The car count needs to get bigger and they need something that the other divisions don't. Noise! As long as the counts are down I think if the track could ease up on the mufflers for the OWM then the casual fan might come away with a WOW. Think about the first time you went to a Cup race and the impression that left you with. My wife hated racing until I took her to Michigan then she was hooked. Sometimes watching the OWM is like watching slot cars only quieter. Not trying to diss anybody here as I have a ton of respect for anyone who puts in the time, effort and cash to race but if you look at the crowd sometimes when the OWM take the track you would think it was intermission at a hockey game.
Posted by: Shadowracer« on: January 19, 2010, 01:48:27 PM »Well, unfortunately it comes down to who is paying the bills. The short answer of course is the "the fans", but we also have to consider which fans.
The part that flies in the face of most of us here, is that we hardcores who know racing and go to Delaware (or anywhere else) on a regular basis, provide only a small percentage of a track's revenues. Believe it or not, its the casual fans that keep the rent paid, not us. (generally speaking) In fact youd be surprised to find out just how many people on the hill on a given night are once-a-week regular...its not that big a number....I seem to recall 20 or 30 percent in a conversation I once had with someone in the know. Thats why those King of the Hill nights are so huge for the speedway...lots of casuals buying lots of beer, popcorn and hotdogs. The modified division, for whatever reason, just doesn't resonate with the average fan. I don't know if its model identifiability or what...the reasons are unclear...but the OWMs exist in this weird twilight zone between a sprint car and a Late Model. This could be combatted for the masses with a high excitement/car count, but it hasn't. OWMs are a division for race fans who know the score. For that reason, you won't find many people here with anything bad to say about the division....because there really isn't anything to say bad about it. Ask a casual fan though, and they'll say something like "oh yeah...that's those guys that only had 8 cars" It sucks but that's the way it goes. The coupes went for the same reason back in the 70s. On the other hand, Late Models are the premier division here. They're plentiful, cool looking, lots of contact, and is where most of the track's star power is. (the last one is subliminal, but its there - Late Models are simply presented as "the main event", as they have been for the last 30 years...and if you think Delaware is still open wheel country, you better review your history.) If race fans as a whole were representative of the sort that comes here (educated race fans) then the mod division wouldn't have any problems. As it stands, and in the eyes of the once in a while casual fan, they just aren't all that. But the good news is that, unlike the coupes in the 70's, the mods arent gone yet. There's still a chance. And we still have the chance to support them. I'd suggest we do. Some of those boys have been running here a long time, and if there was ever a chance for the hardcore fans to step up to the plate and educate people and support the division, its now. Posted by: Sprintcarfan« on: January 19, 2010, 12:26:31 AM »I will respond to Ziggy-- No hard feelings man, having raced in the mods for quite a few years now, our team is established and is a proven contender on most weeks. As for your comments on the Late Models- I would agree with hesitation. Everyone comes to the races for different reasons and different classes. Even if i had no relation to Anyone in the Mods, they would still be my Favourite class. Sure there was only a couple cars that were weekly front runners in this division BUT there was no run away victories. And once a fast car got out in front the races weren't over, The mods seemed to be able to have better side by side clean racing. I'm not going to sit here and bash the Late models though, they are great drivers, it just seems like some of them think oh my i have full fenders- lets use them!! So they go ahead and use the fenders, but most times get a little over anxious and end up wrecking a car or 2or half the field. But back to the Mods- obviously it was not what was hot at Delaware right now. Some great people have stepped up for us and gave us another shot at it, maybe we will try some different stuff here. Good Luck to ALL racers this summer and i hope we can continue this class.
Matt Posted by: racinmodpitman« on: January 18, 2010, 10:27:44 AM »OWM racing starts on May21 at Delaware speedway. It be nice to see some new comers this year. Are crew is looking forward to a great racing season. By the way the Sauble Speedway race is July the 3rd. It will have all open wheel cars that night with a big purse for the modifieds. On their schedule it has the CAN-AM, Vintage Modifieds, Open Wheel Modifieds, Hurricane Midgets. Should be a great show. Hope to see everyone at the tracks again this year.
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