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Posted by: JAMR2« on: June 16, 2013, 07:43:08 AM »It wasn't so much that it wasn't legal, at 2400lbs it wouldn't be as crazy fast. The year it won the championship the weight rule was 1lb for each CC of displacement + 250lbs, with the driver. Karl's a pretty good size boy so I would guess that car weighed about 1850lbs with out him in the seat. 1800 cc plus 250lbs is where the 2050lbs for under 1900 cc came from I would bet.
Posted by: jcrashm2« on: June 15, 2013, 12:38:15 PM »tigeraid the biggest cost diff from dirt to pavement for minis is tires....and talking about ohsweken...what is unreal is that on dirt u have to make the feature to make any $$$....look at ohsweken, full fields with consis and there are cars going home with nothing, not a dime....they dont have tow money!!!...and still they all show up...in minis u have to finish better than 6th to get more than $35 for feature payout last i saw...last nite i think there were 31 minis, so 7 cars went home with zip...and then a few in the thunders...and a few in the sprints...but those same minis, except for the 16v's, and thunders can try again at merrittville saturday or humberstone on sunday...and that CRX wasnt legal last year, the year after it won the championship...
Posted by: church7« on: June 14, 2013, 01:51:03 PM »Just out of curiosity, does any one know if the Delaware ownership and it's promoters have had any discussions with other local owners and promoters about the economics of the racing scene in Ontario. It would be a shame if they didn't, It was great having a get together with fans and drivers, but why not check out other facilities, especially if they seem to be having some success. The tracks with full features every night are the ones I would like to bounce a few ideas off of. Hell why not go to one of their shows some night and see what's happening for yourselves.
Posted by: Shadowracer« on: June 13, 2013, 10:23:42 AM »I always suspected that Delaware, at times, has been guilty of being a little too highbrow for its own good.
Its true though....sometimes the smaller rinky-dink places have it right. I always loved Buxton just because it was so rough around the edges. On the other hand, a packed house at Buxton does not equal a packed house at Delaware. The capacities are nowhere near the same. A full grandstand there would likely fill just the three fiberglass sections at Delly. Tbut then its been a while...I might be off) Posted by: tigeraid« on: June 13, 2013, 08:53:36 AM »South Buxton is a shithole but WOW does it pack the stands! At least every time I've been there. Crowd's all into the feuds and their favourite drivers and all that good stuff. And you can't even see the track after 2 laps!
 Posted by: Dougy109« on: June 13, 2013, 06:47:42 AM »Well said Church, even Brighton Speedway is a little dumpy. And yet, it is capacity weekly, and puts on a great show. The kids are cooking out front on BBQ from WalMart... LITERALLY.
Posted by: church7« on: June 11, 2013, 05:02:12 PM »I think it's pretty relative that crowds generally mirror the racing and car counts are a part of that. Ask the drivers why they are bailing out of divisions or tracks for that matter.
Every rule change implemented cost someone money I mean the racers of course. The dirt scene figured this out a long time ago. What is the common factors between cars that run on dirt. About a 90% relivant rules packages. You can run a 305 - 360 - 410 sprint car at ANY track in CAN, USA, AUST. why, because the rules are Identical Except for Right rear tires. 358 mods same thing, Sportsman same thing. At Ohsweken the thunder car rules allow other cars to come in and compete, they use weight rules to even things out, Even Delaware street stocks, and if someone new shows up your not treated like an outcast, and they actually tech cars tight. Multiple feature winners keep adding weight. You need start up classes to keep feeding the next level. Why does Delaware not have a 4 cylinder class. I don't know, pretty stupid idea eh, why does nearly every other track in Ontario have one, because it works. Good competition breeds Good Racing, breeds Good car counts, breeds Good crowds, breeds new fans, breeds more money for all. Personally, I'd rather sit in shitty stands eating shitty food watching great racing on a great prepared track. People don't go to the races for the cuisine. PS: Check out Oswego Speedway, They have had a spring clean up weekend every year for as long as I can remember, they get a ton of people out every year, and the owners host a pizza party and some passes. Those fans love that track as much as I am sure they do here. Posted by: tigeraid« on: June 11, 2013, 03:02:04 PM »Wow, 350 lbs, that explains it. I don't think the loss of 10 hp or so makes up for that.
 Posted by: JAMR2« on: June 11, 2013, 07:41:40 AM »That CRX is a well thought out ex championship winning car and it only has to weight 2050 lbs. Next time you're there have a look.
Mini Stock rules, 21.0 – Weights • 21.1 – Cars with engines under 1900cc minimum weight 2050 plus any handicaps minus any weight breaks. • 21.2 – Cars with engines over 1900cc minimum weight 2400 plus any handicaps minus any weight breaks. Posted by: Dougy109« on: June 10, 2013, 10:19:31 PM »We were also there, and I think that CRX has no weight in it. Seriously quick, and he was just that fast two weeks ago. Telling me Mini Stock can't make a show, is untrue. Those guys were probably the best show two weeks in a row.
Posted by: tigeraid« on: June 10, 2013, 09:43:04 AM »not sure what the CRX has but him and the neon with the RT engine should win every nite at ohsweken if they arent breaking something in a rut or blowing a tire... I was in the stands. What the HELL does that CRX do to handle like that!? High, low, it didn't matter, he never lost momentum. It was crazy. If it weren't for the track getting rutty from the weather and popping a bead on his tire he would've dominated. Crazy good race though. They also had eliminations in both 4cyl and Thunder stock, the fields were so big. I've gotta think running cars there is just a ton cheaper, there's no other explanation. On an unrelated note, I brought my buddy there for his very first oval track experience--the sprint cars surprised the hell out of him. Posted by: ernie« on: June 08, 2013, 01:47:33 PM »Although I found the Friday 4 cyl race very entertaining I don't think Delaware should start a regular 4 cyl class. Running the specials is where they should stay concentrated. I know Fridays are a problem for travellers but if they make it worth their while they will come. Four times a year MAX would be plenty. Home track rules are fine. Have good payouts for the winner overall and the winner from each group from a particular track then you may get more Sunset and Barrie cars making the trek. Also other tracks could co-ordinate their off nites for their 4 cyls.........sorry I was dreaming again lol. The fact that there was such a difference in how the cars were able to perform made the race IMO. Just have to figure out how to make it worth while for guys that know they can't win to show up besides the opportunity to run on the big track.
Posted by: jcrashm2« on: June 08, 2013, 09:49:48 AM »not sure what the CRX has but him and the neon with the RT engine should win every nite at ohsweken if they arent breaking something in a rut or blowing a tire...
Posted by: JAMR2« on: June 08, 2013, 03:24:35 AM »29 Mini Stocks a Ohsweken tonight. Mustangs, Neon's, 240s, Cavalier's, a few Hondas, a Bug even a CRX. Another 21 or so at Delaware, you may be on to something. :p
Posted by: murray« on: June 07, 2013, 10:03:15 PM »how about a neon ,, mustang and a chev product..
 keep it simple ..for the SS get some towel city recaps for the series,,they get faster with more laps on them.. |
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