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With only racing for a short time, I must agree with the statement that. If a driver has raced for one year in the four fun class and was in the top ten in points, then he or she should seriously look at moving up to the next class. Definetly after two years in the top ten, then they must move up and let those coming into the class have room to run.  As for the starters, they should complete a pro starters course before going into the stand. Just because you might have raced in the thunder car class and went no where then you should not be even in the stand. Reguardless who you are buddy-buddy with!

Sorry for ruffling a few feathers.

   In "ALL  HONESTY "  Sunset Speedway is a good place to work and for racing.  The Lloyd family has worked hard to get it where it is today!
Maybe Glen and I have had a few words, but he is a great guy.  He is always there when you need him.  He has done a lot of good work to the track to improve it to what it is today , but it would be nicer to see it with the grandstand full. Even though we have retired and have left, we will be back only not in the same positions.  I would bend over backwards to help in at anytime like we have done before.  To Rob, Craig, Bill Arie, all the best and may you all have a Blessed Christmas and a Better 2007. Likewise to those who read this , FROM OUR HOUSE TO YOURS.

I take it you don't actually race a Four Fun. These cars get up to 100 Km's


As far as inconsistency in officiating goes I can see how it appears that way.

  No I don't actually race a Four Fun but I am actually old enough to have seen Sprint cars with out cages run at Terra Haute and Midgets with out cages run at the CNE and they all did some serious rubbing . As I said I am not advocating beating and bashing , I just don't want to see a black flag waved because someone pushes up into someone else coming off the corner in cars that lack enough camber or steering geometry to do anything but push like bull dozers.

  It is not that it APPEARS to be inconsistency in the officiating this is what most veteran's at the track consider the biggest problem facing Sunset at this time . This problem is not unique to the FF division at Sunset since I think every driver in the top ten in the LM division has spoken to Glen about this problem.

  Let them guys do a little racin when it looks to be getting a little rough first a warning then a black flag . You will find most guys will settle down after a warning and you also find some guys will never settle down no matter how the rules read.

I read this thread all the way through its many twists and turns and thought I would throw my two cents in since the drivers meeting is coming up this weekend and I think some of this stuff maybe discussed there .

  jarracings original point that rubbing is racing is correct and what this series is for the novice driver on a budget to try out stock ar racing have some fun and learn and perhaps move up a division if they find they like it .  No one is having fun or learning anything if they are parked for bumping into someone .  Incidental contact and a little rubbing should be fine and the same rule that applies in other divisions should apply in the FFs. If the rubbing turns into beating and bashing black flag the offenders for that race , if it escalates to the point where drivers are going after each other park them for the night.

  To those that say you cant have any touching because of a lack of cages , I wonder if they have ever been to an enduro race full size or 4 cylinder where it is as many as 200 laps of beating and bashing in cars not as well prepared as your average FF .  If your that afraid of being touched stock car racing may not be for you . I saw some of the races where drivers were black flagged for a little rubbing but I never saw any damage resulting to any of the cars involved that I could not repair in 15 minutes with a big hammer and some 200 mph tape , so the you will have to spend the whole week fixing them theory thing doesn't wash.  If your going to run this class you would be advised to have a spare fender or two and maybe an extra rad laying around that's just the nature of stock car racing .

 The biggest problem I see for this class so far is the inconsistency of the officials .

haha...my thoughts exaclty...

Spencer: The reasoning behind me saying that you have no class is because it seems that  you are starting to bring my family into this. That in my eyes is very low!!!!!!! I like you man but the minute you start bashing my family, that would be the minute that you should start questioning our friendship.

i told your dad i liked him....and then i gave you a compliment....

as far as bashing you, dude you know for a fact in any argument I go to bat for sunset, sunset's officials and sunset's drivers.

i've defended you more times than I can count this year, and I was defending the track the same way when your dad said the four fun class was unfun

I have no problem with your family or your extended family, that post was made BEFORE peterborough, when I came up to you and talked with you, complimenting you on a number of things, loyalty is not a quality of mine you have to question.

and as for hits me...more like hits me repeatedly as in every d*** race!