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Canadian Oval / Road Racing => Canadian Tracks => Sunset Speedway => Topic started by: speedy_97 on October 06, 2008, 08:54:20 PM
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I was listening to race time radio and Wes was on it and he was saying that hes not running points next year!... if i were him i would not do that cause now thats theres no points theres not gonna be much to lose and now theres gonna be way more crashes than 2008 race season.
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That is Wes he thinks out of the box and it may succeed or it may fail but at least he is willing to take a chance not follow the rest. This way the drivers get there money each week when they need it for tires, repairs or whatever. It will make the racers race each and every week and not sit and look at the points standing, go for it. The controversy that took place this year would not be a factor as Tom would have taken home most ofthe money as he dominated the year. As a matter of fact this is the type of situation that is suited for Tom and Chris more than most as they come to win not just finish. We just have to sit back and watch the 2009 season at Sunset Speedwaythen make a decision on the merit of a no point season it will be a great success or it will fail only time will tell.
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One question. Since the points money is divided over the races, and say 5th in thunder is worth $400. Over 15 races that only an extra $26 bucks paid in the 4th place position. Something like 10th paying what, $75 bucks year end, for an extra 5 bucks a week?
Very interesting, but has this been thought out, or is it a bit of a quick reaction to the points situation this year?
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the reason you have a points race is many..to bring racers out every week, to give a guy a chance to win the points who may not win the most features, to bring excitement to the end of the year in a last nights points battle, thats all gone now. Maybe this is a new way of thinking but why not just score the nights properly post it so EVERYONE can see it and carry on.
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I can see this being good idea for the entry level class, but it breeds a whole new style of weekend racing. I can't see anybody putting up their equiptment on a regular basis to win an extra few bucks a night at greater risk of damage. I doubt you will see a crew like Walters put $1000 bucks worth of suspension back on his car in less than 3 yellow laps so that they can earn an extra few bucks it just does not make sense. However it is worth every bloody knuckle, sprained ankle and short winded rush to the pits to get them back out there night after night in hopes of a year end podium finish.
None of us make any money racing, some are more fortunate than others to have decent backing to run nice equiptment week after week, with out the chase most will be less likely to do whatever it takes to keep their gear in order week after week.
Running part time this year was stress free and I really enjoyed it, but those hunks of wood and plastic collecting dust in the corner of my basement represent a lot of hard work and dedication over the last 3 years for me, my family and friends.
The fans have their favorites and could care less how much money they took home they want to see how their guys did in points each week.
It may make for more exciting racing, it could turn every night into a wreck fest who knows.
I really haven't been racing long enough to have well rounded opinion as a driver, but I am really curious to see how the Vet's feel about it.
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If there are no points, it wont be that important to race that track every week...and if your say a Walters fan, you will be wondering where he'll be racing, if he is in a points race, you know he'll be there...if the payoffs are better at Sunset, we will see if money or championships are more important to some...and Wes will sure find out where the drivers allegiance is for sure, when it comes to a special at another track on the same day....but its actually what people want Cayuga to do around here, but on a Sunday when other pavement tracks arent running and only a few times a month...i cant see it everyweek, but it is a different idea.
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I think he's trying to open it up to get a different group of cars there every night, instead of the regualar cars.
Big question is how many guys are points racers? Personally I am, and what would happen in the situation of the track not keeping points, I would keep "score" myself. Its not about the money at the end of the years, its about saying I've done better than you so far this year, you may have won last nights feature, but I've been top 5 all year, and except for your win you've been 15th all year... Really the same thing but with unoffical points.
Either way, I do respect him for doing it. If it works out, and Sunset become THE PLACE to run as a result, I might make the trip more often.
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It's an intersting idea..not sure if it will work or not...but I'm excited to see how it turns out.
I assume sunset is going to be sundays next year?? this leads me to bealive it will be
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No points?
Running on Sundays?
Oh God... whyyyyy!!!
I better win lots next year eh?
Or I'll just have to drive an extra half hour to somewhere with Points. =/ Lame!
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Interesting philosophy of doing things, and this could work or may not work. I mean, it'll be interesting to see if he chooses to run Sundays or keep on a Saturday night, and then also how this truly works with how many people show up.
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I would have to think this will end up being Sunday racing. How else will you get the car counts. I will miss my Saturday nites though. It is a lot of fun to set up camp for a Saturday nite and get out of the house. Sunday racing in the summer can be a little hot though. One thing us 4 cylinder guys have to think about though is if we will be part of the program or moved to a Wednesday night like had been mentioned in the past.
I would of preferred to see more Sunday invitationals or at best one week a month of NO points and an invitational but it isn't my track. I can imagine that this will leave behind the slower cars as a guy running at the back of the pack can still end up in top 10 at then end of the year. For me I knew I wasn't in contention for the championship but instead I raced a buddy at the track for points. I was ahead of him mid season on and he closed out the season 4 points ahead of me in 5th place. That kind of fun will be gone.
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dont forget that many people enjoy the banquet at the end of the year but with no points its not necessary anymore
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wes didn't say anything last night about racing sundays so don't assume anything . also this is not something new , it has been done before and i believe it was wes who did it at sunset , so ask someone who raced there back in the time how it worked.
we always hear guys saying they would like a week off here and there , so wouldn't this type of racing suit them more ? i heard some rumours that mosport was going to do the same thing and that a drivers meeting is going to held to discuss things any truth to this ?
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they had a rule where you could take a planned week off and still get a certain amount of points and wes threw that rule out the window.
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I believe this same thing was done at Sauble. When they were having to many issues with points, and it worked out nicely. I think they only did it 1-3 seasons. I remember hearing something about that.. Any Sauble guys able to fill us in?
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i heard some rumours that mosport was going to do the same thing and that a drivers meeting is going to held to discuss things any truth to this ?
No idea what Mosport is doing. But there has been no formal annoncement to drivers, and the drivers meeting is not till January.
If they do, then I will split my time there an Sunset. Not sure how that will work for Mosport's advantage..
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dont forget that many people enjoy the banquet at the end of the year but with no points its not necessary anymore
Maybe they'll keep track of the number of wins (heats and/or features) for each car, and determine the year end results that way. I do think that a lot of drivers want to be able to measure their team against the next guy's, and this way, you could have the best of both worlds. It would be really easy for everyone to keep track of the number of races each driver won, which would alleviate some pressure from the scorers, and it would encourage drivers and teams to go for the win each night. (of course, a really big paycheck would ensure that too!) Just a thought.
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pay for heat wins too, and have a trophy dash or "dash for more cash" for the top 2 in each heat.... :o
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i think wes is on to something great. you could still have the person with the most wins or something. people are still going to know who the best is! also all you're going to get is balls out racing, no just finishing safe to preserve your points but going for the gusto every night. points racing is a pain in the ass, thats why alot of guys miss the first week or two. then they go to race and eliminate the headache of worrying about your stats all week. just check your wallet and see how you did. i talked to wes and from what i got was, saturday nights and the drivers are paid at the end of the night in cash. hope it works and i think it will.
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pay for heat wins too, and have a trophy dash or "dash for more cash" for the top 2 in each heat.... :o
Now there's another good idea as that definately use to work good when they did in the 90s.
Jim, thx for the head-up on what Wes has told you and you're right - it'll definately be more exciting due to lack of points racing. However, it'll only be exciting if we get a real good car count.
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pay for heat wins too, and have a trophy dash or "dash for more cash" for the top 2 in each heat.... :o
Now there's another good idea as that definately use to work good when they did in the 90s.
Jim, thx for the head-up on what Wes has told you and you're right - it'll definately be more exciting due to lack of points racing. However, it'll only be exciting if we get a real good car count.
very true!
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could be interesting, with no points there will be no handicapping (and no adding weight to constantly fast cars), so the slow cars wont have a chance to win, thus they will stay away (or get better), creating a field of fast cars only,
but for this to really work the tech department must crack down "here are the rules, you are within them or you are not" and start DQing
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will they have a set of set rules or will it be home track rules.....if he is paying good money for the thunders....it will be good racing..
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Is there even a Tech Dept. left? i don't think there is anyone left to DQ people LOL.
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How do you schedule not knowing if cars are coming? Racing on Sunday is risky, crashes on sat. not everyone has two cars. Points keep drivers coming back.
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im in , if car doesn't sell i will run at sunset for sure! i was goin to run Slamboro but after the oktober fest i am not welcome back, nor would i go back! I thought Barrie was bad at times LOL
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seen ya spining and getting spun marty.....lol
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Have to say if Sunset runs Sundays . . . I won't be there very often! I drive 1-1/2 hours each way to race. Not something I'm willing to do on a Sunday.
If Wes is taking away the points in hopes of getting a higher car count - he'd be better off resurfacing the track.
I understand people wanting to race on Sundays - but this is too many changes at once. Don't we all live by the "rule" of changing one thing at a time to figure out what is best?
JMO
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I talked to Wes at the track tonight, I was told that they are going to put the end of the year purse into the weekly payout, the rules are going to be the same as barrie so we can run there to and you have to register and pay for a pad ( rules are for the thunders not sure about the other divisions). It is invitationals only
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im in , if car doesn't sell i will run at sunset for sure! i was goin to run Slamboro but after the oktober fest i am not welcome back, nor would i go back! I thought Barrie was bad at times LOL
i seen what happened with you and the other guy..shit like that makes it worth traveling 3 hours /hopefully you will have a rematch at peterbough...best of luck..no fear..next time head right at him and hit him full tilt...lol.
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This new type of racing Wes (Sunset) is thinking of no points but paided every night should be interesting to see how other tracks look at this.If it works who knows you may see other tracks (dirt or asphalt) follow.Some posters have said Sauble tried it and somebody said Mosport had tried or were thinking of it.On the dirt side South Buxtons 1 of 2 rainout dates at the end of the year and they went with the no points & pay and from what I hear their was no problem there only problem was the 2nd rain date was cancelled due to you know what rain.The Sunday racing time slot will it work I dought it as posters have said with racing Saturdays (Barrie,Flamboro ETC) There is a good chance that there will be some cars that get torn up on the Saturday night and remember the cost first going to these Saturday tracks and then Sunset on Sunday.That can turn into an expensive weekend and if you planned to do it all year that could turn into an expensive year.Thought I heard Wes on his interview say he planned invitational races every race night next year.This should be interesting to see how this will be done.Understand that at the end of the interview RTR said they would be setting up another interview to talk about the changes coming to Sunset next year.Should be interesting to see what he has to say and how this possible new style of racing ( no points & pay) will go over with the drivers & fans of racing.I am sure other tracks will be taking a good look at this possible new way of racing.My opinion keep it the way it is points counted but then that is my opinion and other racefans have different opinions which makes this sport so interesting to watch and talk about.
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I really think that this is an innovative idea...running Saturday will really kill the invi part of it...maybe friday night? eh did say every NIGHT...we will see i guess....
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Well it's time to dip into the savings account for that motor for next year. Now which track has the best motor rules?
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i rather run at a track with points, to see how you are comparing to everyone else, if you go by wins, 98% of the same people will be winning every weekend, and they will get whatever it is he is planning on giving them at the end of the year..and it doesnt give room for the rookies to have a shot at a win, points is just a better way to keep everyone on track, you know what i mean ???
but thats my two cents,
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Oh so there's a question.
What is going to happen with Rookie Of The Year, do they continue that and just base it around average finishes? Or are they just going to say "eff you! too bad so sad!!" to the rookies?
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i love the idea....i race at sauble and never have bothered with running for points over the years>>20 years ago point racing was a big thing but now at some places it is just basically a attendance record
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I really think that this is an innovative idea...running Saturday will really kill the invi part of it...maybe friday night? eh did say every NIGHT...we will see i guess....
Now that's a neat idea, but then you have to look at it this way...
Run Friday night invitational, wreck the car = no car for Barrie points for those that choose that way
Run Sunday and then therefore no worries about that.
Though either way it'll be interesting :)
And Ashley, due to it being invitationals, I'd say they'll be no ROTY
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wreck your car saturday, then no invitational on sunday for you. same situation
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True thou wreck your car at a Friday invitational, then no pts Saturday. You're right it's the same situation thou some ppl are willin to chance no invitational rather than no pts
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but really, who wants to run their feature in the mid-day heat?
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but really, who wants to run their feature in the mid-day heat?
I wldn't, BUT if it was like last summer it would be fine, cause it barley got over 20 ahha
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So let me get this right. No points for the 2009 season, invitational only. But we have to be registered drivers at Sunset. And we will be the same rules at Barrie. So what is stopping me from building a Delaware motor or a Flamboro motor? What is stopping anyone from finding the best motor rules from any track? But if I have to be registered at Sunset, I have to run by there rules. Correct? So how is this invitational only? Are they going to limit what track rules can run there? This to me, looks like a Barrie vs Sunset deal.
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Maybe that post has to many questions ???
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ya it did, you stumped everybody i think.
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All I wanna do is qualify for Rookie!! :p
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not too me scott....u are exactly right>>
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All I wanna do is qualify for Rookie!! :p
Well you asked for it you got it Ashley...
ASHLEY ROMANO WOOKIE OF THE YEAR 2009
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/harryfrombarrie/SO2CDM0avVI/AAAAAAAAAIU/1mbHX2eZEZc/s220/Ashley%20Wookie.jpg)
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All I wanna do is qualify for Rookie!! :p
Well you asked for it you got it Ashley...
ASHLEY ROMANO WOOKIE OF THE YEAR 2009
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/harryfrombarrie/SO2CDM0avVI/AAAAAAAAAIU/1mbHX2eZEZc/s220/Ashley%20Wookie.jpg)
awe, that's a shot below the belt dude! Just because I'm Italian doesn't mean I'm a wookie. hahahahahaha
and damn I hope I look better than that!!
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If you don't have to register at sunset then imagine the money he will lose or do you have to reg. no matter what track you race?
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Well then if there's no registration then it'll probably maybe a fee each night ???
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if they make you register, that would be silly. Register for what? there are no points. The driver already pays along with his crew to get in the pits. that should be enough. I think Wes is thinking that with the thunder invitationals there was a good car count and the crowd was decent. But if you make it happen like this every night then it won't be so special all the time. Not sure if this is going to work out for him. But the payouts might help a bit as for the thundercars it's the best purse in the province I believe for a regular event.
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I was listening to race time radio and Wes was on it and he was saying that hes not running points next year!...
So, do the regular drivers from Sunset have to listen to race time radio to find out what the plan is for next year? I would hope the regular drivers would be notified through the website of these changes and not have to work with rumors. It would just make sense to let these drivers know of the changes before the public.
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I think the drivers will only find out what the scoop is during the
drivers meeting.
If I was a driver and I found out my home track is not racing for points any more I'd go to another track.
No points to me would mean nothing to shoot for, no goals to set
no motivation to show up every week, no rookie of the year, No
rooting intrest, no track champion, no drama for the fans, not
enough money to make it worth it for the drivers, no fun and
no point with out points.
Invitationals are fun but its like an All-Star game, the novelty might
wear off if its done every weekend and the drivers who care about
setting goals will go back to the race track that will give them more
of a sense of accomplishment at the end of the year.
Its human nature.