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Gary36:
If the track is dilligent and consistent with catching those who cause accidents or spin cars out, and send them to the back, that will usually eliminate the need for someone to want to retaliate. If the agressor doesn't get sent to the back it can build up with the other team and spill over into the pits, and worse every week after that.
I don't do pay backs. Here's why.
1) Most times it can be resolved....Whether the track sends the driver to the back or not, I usually give him a chance to come clean and put the issue to rest by talking about it after the race. I've been dumped many times and in most cases the driver came to me after. If I retaliate before the race is over, I didn't give him a chance to calm down and make it right by talking about it. If I spin someone I let him know right away I'm sorry.
2) Not good for your fans....if a driver retaliates and the issue spills over in the pits, it can make fans, yours and the other drivers, upset. We don't need that. Let us race hard on the track and our fans can both enjoy a good hard race.
3) It's not good for sponsors...if a driver takes the high road and doesn't retaliate he will make a better impression on sponsors of his own and more than likely the other car.
4) It's too expensive....getting into a feud with one driver can be very costly, with more than one could end your year.
5) It's kills your spirit.....sometimes retaliating can feel good, but most times it starts the beginning of something that will only get worse, and spill off into other teams. Going to the race track and socializing with your peers before a race is relaxing and fun. I race because it's fun, winning isn't the reason I go to a race track, racing is the reason I go. If I'm preoccupied with a feud or wondering if it;s over, it will take away the fun, it can kill it for you and your crew.
6) Involves innocent racers....this was mentioned as well and the last thing anyone wants to do is dump a car in retaliation, and end up taking out someone else.
Winning a championship is the highest achievement we can get in racing. Winning a race is good, winning a feature is awesome, but neither ever compares to being crowned a champion. When 24 cars show up we know only one car can win and tonight, even though we're going to try our best to win, our best finish may be 5th or 8th. When that happens we come back the next week and try to do better again. by racing as hard as we can without wrecking us or anyone else.
The plus side of racing clean, and not retaliating, even when you could, is the respect you get from your peers. That payday can be huge.
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Shadowracer:
Bottom line: If a track allows things to get out of control, it will.
Officials need to put a stop to rough driving. Guys spout this BS quote from a frigging Tom Cruise movie, when the fact of the matter is, rubbing is NOT NECESSARILY racing. Intentional rubbing is cheating. Guys who engage in the practice as a habit should be sent to the back if it happens once, and parked if it happens twice....and AUTOMATICALLY parked for the night for intentionally damaging someone's car. (and kicked out permanently if it happens again) This business with just getting sent to the back of the line even if you destroyed a guy is bogus.
I hope the track that hosted the "incident that shall not be named" should be paying attention and trying to figure out what they could have done much earlier in the season. You let the inmates police themselves and look what you get. It sucks that a guy got hurt, and I'm sure that part wasn't intentional. But from the sounds of it, the guy had a payback or two coming to him, as the track wouldn't enforce any kind of ruling.
So as far as paybacks being OK or not, I think depends on the commitment level of the officiating to put a curb on rough driving. "Paybacks yes or no?" is too simple an answer to a complicated question. If the officiating is good then it shouldn't be necessary, and if the officiating sucks, then its unavoidable eventually.
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CanadianRacingOnline:
Well said Gary36
A payback is when a drivers intentanally takes another driver out. It has nothing to do with racing for a spot.
Racing for a spot and putting there bumper on someone to let them know you are there and moving them a side is part of racing and I understand this as I have seen many times lapped cars not getting out of the way for the leaders of the race and the lapped car causes the wreak and this shouldn't happen so yes a bump and run is fine.
But we are talking about a driver seeking out another driver to wreak him for a payback that happened maybe last week or a couple of weeks ago.
I like to input on this topic, as you have a drivers view and the fans view on this. Now all we need is a tracks view on it and we have all possible perspectives on this.
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Racer43:
Alot of times its a judgement call that needs to be made. The guys driving the cars are just as human as the guys making the calls and never will the actions or the calls be perfect. We all make mistakes that just the way it is. The bottom line is there are all kinds of people out there. The guy that feels its neccesary to retaliate is likely the same type that chases you down the highway for miles because you accidently cut him off as he was trying to overtake the miles of transports holding up traffic. Road rage is simalair to racing retaliation. The differences in the way people handle things is what makes this world an interesting place to be. Do I agree with going out there with the mind set "Im going to get him?" No I dont but its going to happen its just the way it is. My attitude has always been, if you go apologize for something that happened and talk it out like gentlemen then it should be done. We all make mistakes, but the true test of ones class is how they deal with the bumps in the road. I personally would rather pass a guy who has spun us with my hand out the window reminding him he's number one in my mind aswell as his. No better revenge than beating the guy cleanly rather than beating on him repeatedly like the idiot he is. Anyone can go out there and hit everything in sight to gain positions, the real talent is in making clean passes and focusing on the next ones needed to be made in order to get to the front.
A few weeks ago a good friend of mine and I were racing nose to tail in traffic. Coming off the corner he got a bit better of a run than I did and we had some contact sending us around in a cloud of smoke. Was I pissed? Yes, I couldnt believe a buddy had spun us out. Next thing I know we're at the back together. So I pull up beside him with my hand out the window asking WTF was that, he gives me the palms up i dont know sorry look. Done for now, I said to myself we'll talk about it after we make our way back up to the front and hopefully salvage half decent finishes out of the shitty circumstances. Did he mean to spin us.... no.... was he sorry for spinning us..... yes. Anyway we had a couple pops after the race and talked about it. The racing gods hadnt shined on us tonight and it was unfortunate that we got together, but stuff does happen when your racing around on the edge of control inches apart. Now I cant wait for next year to get the opportunity to pay him back!!! its going to feel great to reel him in and drive by him on the outside with my hand out the window giving him the thank you wave like he had let me by.
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disturber:
intentional or just a dumb decision? how should you react? is it different?
saw a guy spin towards (and on) the infield this year, he tried to save it but ended up coming back onto the track and taking 2other cars out. spoke to him, "he said split second decision, thought i could save it and join back in safely. probably should have just let it spin out and stop on the grass." one other car's driver just shrugged, "sh*t happens*. The other team is livid, comes to the pit for a fight, etc. tries to wreck the guy the next week, that sort of stuff. i talked to that guy too, he said "i know it wasn't intentional, but his bonehead move meant my car still got wrecked cause of him, so he's gonna pay".
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