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On the night I was there, V8 stocks and Trucks were on the bill with SS.The numbers of V8 stock and Truck could've been better, the show was good because the drivers made it that way, but I couldn't help thinking that if those two classes were one it would've been much better. Having just one big class, rather than two classes I think would've made it better and freed up space on the bill for something like a SINGLE class of mini-stock. The numbers to justify what I am saying;http://www.mylaps.com/en/events/1043041There were 8 V8 stocks running 21-22 second lap timesThere were 11 trucks running the same 21-22 second lap timesBased on lap times, the two classes are equal with each other and therefor I can't see a reason they can't be run together as one. A class of 19 is a strong class, classes of 8 and 11 are on the weak side. Splitting the field in my view is the difference between strong and weak.
Quote from: streetstocker33 on October 08, 2014, 01:42:09 PMI think your economics are a little off.....ive run LM and S.S. at delaware and the budget isnt even in the ballpark, and that wasnt a competitive LM, home built cars are still very competitive. 2 of the last 3 championships and the current track record holder weren't built on the jig of any of the big name builders and stock crates are VERY competitive and I dont see them at a disadvantage.Maybe I didn't say it the right way.What you are spending on a top SS is what you should be spending on a LM. A SS will be in the 15-20K range which should be where a LM is. I know the LM costs are equally out of control also, so you are pricing someone who should be in LM out of LM.The 602 crate program is what you make of it. Tech has to police it, and if they are policing 602s they can equally police builts, which in my view defeats any advantage of the 602. You guys are light years ahead of the rest of the track by allowing Vortex heads on built motors.If someone is building at home without a jig and is taking on the big dollar name built cars then they are an extremely talented builder. There are not many guys who can do that, not enough to fill a field of them, so for the class to have any cars the cost to compete becomes the cost to get a car built at the big name shops. I believe Chenoweth cleaned up a few years back in a Mike Poluton/Top Side camero, Mike being guy who builds great stuff in a 2 car garage. It can be done, just there are not many of those guys.
I think your economics are a little off.....ive run LM and S.S. at delaware and the budget isnt even in the ballpark, and that wasnt a competitive LM, home built cars are still very competitive. 2 of the last 3 championships and the current track record holder weren't built on the jig of any of the big name builders and stock crates are VERY competitive and I dont see them at a disadvantage.
As for trucks and v8 stocks. In 2013 they did run them together as two separate classes but raced at the same time. I have no understanding of why this happened or why it stopped. Anyone have some information on this?
Truck people are exactly that, there's no changing them.
Problem with trucks selling for 3K, although it sounds good, it means guys are selling their equipment at a huge loss, which actually increases the cost of racing.For example, if a truck cost 10K, but then you could turn around and sell it for 10K, that in effect makes the truck almost cost nothing (other than the money to run, maintain). You only have to come up with the 10k, and you are out of pocket 10k while you are racing, but you will know you will get your money back. That wouldn't be bad..What is needed is a V8 class that costs an honest 5K to run. 2K chassis, 2K motor (obviously no 602), 1K odds and ends. That would bridge the gap from bone to V8. If the class fills and I think it would at that pricepoint, it should be easy to sell your car for at worst 4K, which means you only take a 1K hit which allows you to recover your money at step up to the next class. To me that looks like what could be done with your V8/truck class.Resale value has become a huge issue out this way. Currently you cannot give away a Thunder Car, there are many on the market including past championship cars that are not even getting lowball offers on. I'm not sure what your 3K truck includes, but there is last year's Peterborough Championship thunder for 5K turnkey, no junk top quality car, easy 10K build, literally ready to hit the track, and its not even getting offers. A soft market for equipment hurts, it turns your whole investment into a 3,000 lb paper weight.