Welcome Wes Good

[Thayne]

I think a non points track would be awesome....i wld go alot knowing i am not getting in the way of their normal points...

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[smokinjoe00]

sunday afternoons...no points just money, the cars would come..

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[Jackman2007]

Covered stands area , rain tires .......now your talking ! We're Canadians and don't care what the weather is like , we want to see some good racing action . I can work outside all summer between the raindrops . So lets race between the rain also . Hey Guys >>>It's a joke , I've been around long enough to see cars get wiped out in the rain . A slowed down race does nothing for me . I'm not always 100% serious if you haven't noticed by now . Lighten up everyone .....I've been around quick cars for more years than most who post on this site.

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[rossevans30]

Covered stands area , rain tires .......now your talking ! We're Canadians and don't care what the weather is like , we want to see some good racing action . I can work outside all summer between the raindrops . So lets race between the rain also .

Rain tires do not work on oval cars. We all run setups with camber, caster and stagger that alone apply more force to the track in a stright line, than raintires would give you traction. It wouldn't be changing the tires, it would be changing the complete setup. You will never get a welded rearend to turn on wet also. Nice idea, but not practical.

Before you say road racers do it, they run a nutural setup since they are turning left and right. Also formula cars have enough downforce to run upside down, we have about zero...

I have run an endro race in the rain, with all seasons, and a nutral almost stock setup. It was a wreckfest that had to be stopped. The line between making the corner and spining out was so thin, that it was almost impossible to correct anything...

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[HackitAuto]

Covered stands area , rain tires .......now your talking ! We're Canadians and don't care what the weather is like , we want to see some good racing action . I can work outside all summer between the raindrops . So lets race between the rain also .

ok and lets race in snow and maybe take the walls down fill it with dirt and make it a figure eight race! (dumb idea jackman)

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[WES]

Barrie tried to run on Sunday in the bad years and it failed miserably,you can get the cars but the crowd is another story.

Sunset should do something totally different race tracks have been doing the same old same old for 40 years and nothing has really got much better, they should end the points system as we know it and every Sunday it should be an invitational for the classes they already have, no touring series either, possibly the top 3 in every division at the end of the season get something but it would be all about racing and if you want to take a weekend off for family reasons etc who cares there are no points. I am sure once its established they would start getting lots of visiting racers. 

Alan; you are a man much wiser then most! and I do think that what you are suggesting, is a good idea. It will need some modifications to make it work, but it can be done!
thanks for you suggestion.
Wes Good

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[rossevans30]

they should end the points system as we know it and every Sunday it should be an invitational for the classes

What the difference? No one says anyone HAS to run for points. I can take any time off I want. Point is, I don't want to, and have made a choice to run for points... Like really, its a few hundred bucks at the end of the year, and a trophee. But its the competion, I've said it before, points get me out there every week, and points make me want to get that extra position. I fail to see how can't benifit the fans...

The way it is now, I can say, forget the points, and I can travel to any track I like any night, and treat that as an "invitational". Take away my points, I'm still going to be out there to beat driver X as often as possible, and keep a mental record of that. I beat X 2 out of 3 nights by 3 positions. Hows that different from I have 76 points on him?

Take away the points, and I'm still going to run Kawartha and Mosport. To travel means that I had to constanty change my car setup, and pay $$$$ for gas.

Invitationals are best at the end of the year. Just look at Autumn colours. By then points are done, and you can travel around a bit and not worry about the car. Saying that and points, I think I hit on your logic.. I just said points are done and I'll travel. But the real reason behind it is, 1) I've already had my fun at my local tracks 2) if I wreck the car, running hard at a track I am not familar with, I have a winter to fix it and don't lose a season.... Seem to me, like thats the time to do it, but then didn't Sunset cancel their NON-POINTS Frosty Special???

To close, and example of "not running for points". Mayhew (Kawartha 2007 thunder champ, and currently a close second) runs Mosport, but isn't there for the points (remeber no one has a gun to their head to run for them). He'll show up when he feels like it or Kawartha was cancelled. I can tell you, any track would be far better off to have a driver of that caliber there every night. If points are the reason so be it....

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[smokinjoe00]

sunday invitational racing would be the way to go.>>>u would have diff llm and thunders coming ever week and not going head to head with the other tracks....

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[ministock19]

Covered stands area , rain tires .......now your talking !

I cant even run pace lap speed in the rain without spinning!!

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[rossevans30]

sunday invitational racing would be the way to go.>>>u would have diff llm and thunders coming ever week and not going head to head with the other tracks....

Then why don't you see ALL the Kawartha cars at other tracks on Saterday? One night is enough for most people..

I'd like to see it. If you want to try it, go for it. If I'm wrong, I'll be very happy to see that I am. I just can't see it based on the example above..

(Yes I am well aware the Walters runs both tracks, and I run two also, but 2 out of 50 odd cars isn't a very good percentage)

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[smokinjoe00]

true ross..but u would get thunder guys like myself run there say 6 times a year...mix that in with drivers that would make the sunday shows there only racing of the year and u might get a good turn out>>>jmo

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[rjrinc]

it was suggested at Barrie, and they ended up doing it, to get enough nights for the Whelen LM points series.

I'd rather see Sunset move their date to Friday or Sunday, but I keep saying that and no one listens.

One thing knowone has mentioned that could work for everyone involved is to run either Sunset or Barrie in the afternoon on a 1:00pm start. Start the other Barrie area track at 7pm.....those people who want to run both tracks now can.

Yes those racers who decide to race both tracks run the risk of "breaking" at the 1st event but so do they if they were to run on the Friday night schedule if that were the case.

This is something that has not been done here as long as I have been involved in stock car racing. Given the current state of racing I think this is something that should be done too shake things up and give our sport some excitement and give the real "fans" something new to look forward too and follow.

Us racers who want to race, we will always load and run to the next race if the car will take it twice in one day......and the promoters pretty much know that......but what the promoters need to see is what the fans will do??

They won't know what the real results will be unless they try.


Rob James



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[nascar329]

Covered stands area , rain tires .......now your talking ! We're Canadians and don't care what the weather is like , we want to see some good racing action . I can work outside all summer between the raindrops . So lets race between the rain also .

Rain tires do not work on oval cars. We all run setups with camber, caster and stagger that alone apply more force to the track in a stright line, than raintires would give you traction. It wouldn't be changing the tires, it would be changing the complete setup. You will never get a welded rearend to turn on wet also. Nice idea, but not practical.

Before you say road racers do it, they run a nutural setup since they are turning left and right. Also formula cars have enough downforce to run upside down, we have about zero...

I have run an endro race in the rain, with all seasons, and a nutral almost stock setup. It was a wreckfest that had to be stopped. The line between making the corner and spining out was so thin, that it was almost impossible to correct anything...

'BULL", THEY USED TO RUN AT PINECREST SPEEDWAY "RAIN OR SHINE AND BY THE WAY THIS WAS THE VERY BEST RACE TRACK EVER !
BARRIE SPEEDWAY WAS DESIGNED AFTER PINECREST.................. THIS IS FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO NEVER GOT TO GO TO THIS GREAT FACILITY ................. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME ASK QUICK VIC PARSONS OR JR. HANLEY  !

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[rossevans30]

Wasn't Pinecrest, Peterborough? If so then I've tried it myself, it plain dosen't work. Drying the track is slippery enough, let alone race speed.

Jesus could walk on water you know, but I'm not him nor are the other drivers out there.

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[Petty Fan 45]

Peterborough was Westgate (I believe).  Pinecrest was near Jane and Hwy 7 (not too far from Wonderland)

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