Break-out rule

[streetstocker33]

Sounds like oval bracket racing to me. What is the point of this? To save the track money on tech? Why not just have the track install rev limiters and have a gear rule. I hear what people are saying about getting too fast and keeping the competition closer and safe but if you hit a setup and play by the rules why the hell shouldn't you be able to run as fast as you can. This is racing right? I know I don't drive and probably don't know what I am talking about but this just seems wrong to me.

just "hitting the set-up" doesn't get you the times that the cars are running now, especially since the intent was too be using stock parts 

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[ernie]

I just don't understand trying to slow racers down  As long as the present rules are enforced and people can get speed out of their cars have at it! I know people will say that the rules aren't being enforced and that is the root of the problem. Well fix the real problem I say or bring in rules for gears and revs and let guys who have money waste their money on hidden horse power.

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[Fsbandit]

Ernie; You say that it is racing and to let them run as fast as they may go. well when your enduro class is runing low 22's and your SS's are not runing hole lot faster. Why have two classes?  A SS is worth alot of money, an enduro car not supposed to be.  I see a problem here.

Bandit

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[Shadowracer]

I beleive it was FromTheStands who once said that they ought to try running either no camber or 1 inch only, thereby making a lot of other modifications pointless. Seems to me that would be the easy way to go. Even I could measure that.



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[exracer]

if memory serves me correct, these cars do not have complete cages, nor do the have safety equipment like the other divisions. this is a division to introduce people to racing, run some races, determine if you got the fever,  and move up to a weekly division.
when there was 150 cars speed was not the issue it is today. here's a thought, run them backwards!

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[ernie]

if memory serves me correct, these cars do not have complete cages, nor do the have safety equipment like the other divisions. this is a division to introduce people to racing, run some races, determine if you got the fever,  and move up to a weekly division.
when there was 150 cars speed was not the issue it is today. here's a thought, run them backwards!

Ok now I'm confused (or maybe stupid)

I thought we were talking about SS not Enduro. If this is about enduro then my previous comments do not apply except that I still think it is wrong anyways.

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[racerfan]

Maybe there should be a time for being too slow also.

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[jworacing]

The discussion is about the enduro division, and quite possibly the rule would entice more new drivers if things were slower. I for one was amazed at the speeds and skill ability of some of the drivers. There is no way a 305 impala purchased for $500 is going to have a chance. Just look at Steve "PEE WEE" Smith, that man can drive so it was a benefit to him and the track that he moved up to the SS division. Just saying you know?

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[Racer43]

Enduro or not I personally dont like it. Bracket oval track racing.... wtf.
Enforce the rules, make new rules, do something else instead of what seems to be a copout IMO. A one lap penalty for going to fast?? I dont care who you are thats funny. This is racing isn't it? Go as fast as you can with what your car, setup, driver and rules will allow. duh
Blaming the fast guys for being to fast is ridonkulas. The problem may lie in the tech shack if its that out of hand. I dont know, I'm not an enduro guy or have I seen many enduros. Just an opinion from someone who loves to go fast.
 

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[jworacing]

Perhaps the concept is if the rules are followed than those speeds are unabtainable? I not really sure as I have never ran enduros. I do know that they are incredibley fast for truly "stock cars" having been to many tracks where these types of vehicles race.

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[Dougy109]

I agree with the idea that Enduro had gone too far with the speeds. Most cars cages stop one or two feet from the firewall. So yes, safety is a bit of a concern. Will a guy go into a class that he has zero chance of placing.... unlikely. There are crate engines in Enduro now for heaven's sake. Enduro's were not meant to be SS-juniors. Just my two cents on that.

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[endroforever]

IMO and only my opinion, the break out rule gets away from the old idea that the fastest car wins. I think everyone should ask the question as to why a handful of cars are considerably quicker than the majority of the field. In the years I raced endro myself and the many years of helping out others we have put together the parts and people to run competitively and now we are penelized for it? We go through the same tech garage as everyone else and nothing is ever said from the bodies that govern the series. We all have the same opportunities just some of us take it more serious than others.

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[notingtolose]

there was a point in time when the fastest car didn't win. and thats what made it fun for everyone and i personaly think thats what there trying to get back to.

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[Shadowracer]

there was a point in time when the fastest car didn't win. and thats what made it fun for everyone and i personaly think thats what there trying to get back to.

I don't know that the first part of that statement is true. Even when Enduro was in its infancy, there were usually a handful of guys that were a little better. That's just racing. As far as "getting back" to anything: Once enduance racing began to be treated as a "division" rather than a style of race, there was no going back....the Demolition derby car race formula won't work anymore IMO, and all they can do now is try to keep a lid on the cost.

This seems to be their answer for that. Time will tell if its the right one or the wrong one. I really don't know. Maybe we need an "Enduro car of tomorrow"

 


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[shifty333]

That is I believe why the division is adding bonuses to go to 4cl and 6cl cars or non GM and win or top finisher etc. It will eventually phase out the majority of cars being 8cl

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