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Canadian Oval / Road Racing => Canadian Tracks => Barrie Speedway => Topic started by: dodgeguy14 on March 04, 2004, 12:25:47 AM
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Heard it through the grapevine today that blm cars "MUST" exit thier exhaust systems under the car, and it "CANNOT" exit through the body. Not quite sure why this is so important to the track to enforce this. But the only thing this makes me think of is carbon monoxide poisoning. I know when you are racing the exhaust goes right out from under the car. but what about idling in the pits? or a red flag when the car is running. that exhaust is going to filtre up into the cockpit. i'm thinking this is a move to help dry the track under rain delay! lol
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Keith you are right this could become a problem when the car is stopped idling, especially in the pits on a cold night waiting to go out for the feature while the engines are warming up. When this was discussed at the meetings it was supposed to be an option to dump the exhaust under the car to make it easier for guys that had cars with interiors that prevented the larger pipes from exiting through the door. Also to maybe help reduce some of the cost of the new exhaust system if less U bends were required to dump the exhaust straight back under the car. Seems that one model of headers actually angle straight at the door so it is going to cost more money because of the required bends to take the exhaust under the car. I have heard (not sure how true it is) that some tracks in the US don't allow the exhaust pipes to be turned down towards the asphault for fear of damage to the track surface on the hot days. I believe the track owners think that by dumping the exhaust under the cars it will keep the noise down so they don't have to mandate mufflers. I hope this works as long as the drivers don't all end up deaf. It sure would be nice to save some fuel cost on reduced track drying time and stop future controversy over cars refueling on a caution a getting their position back on the track. Looking forward to a great DODGE racing season!!!
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something else to ponder, think of the dirt thats going to be blowing around when these cars drive through the pits. Barrie was relativly clean, but now its going to be as dirty as sunset in the pits.
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What are you trying to say Keith - don't think I should have got fuel??
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What are you trying to say Keith - don't think I should have got fuel??
No Glen at the time, I (along with about 10 other screaming drivers) didn't understand what had happened. All I knew was I was running fourth when the 90 car spun (by himself) coming off turn 4 and then you where coasting down the front straight headed for the pits. That put me into second on the race track but on the restart I was lined up back in fourth. Once I received an explanatation from the Boss and got over the fact of finishing fourth instead of a possible win I quickly realised that management made the right call in this strange situation. I have never run so many yellow flag laps when it was raining. If the rain hadn't have come you would have won so the extra yellow flag laps shouldn't take the win away from you. I was just trying to point out that the fewer decisions that officals have to make the easier there job will be. Good luck to you and Tim in Alstar. It will be strange without a Watson around Barrie Speedway.
kdm
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i thought you were talking to me glenn lol. But i do agree with you being allowed to come in under yellow to refuel(since you guys were out there forever it seemed!) But i think the race should have been stopped, so everyone could come in and top up. but to be perfectly honest with you. Late models should not be used as track drying equipment ever! lol thats what 4 cylinders are for!
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I was surprised as anyone to get put back at the front - guess on rainy nights you should plan on a 75 lap feature.
G
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I have run my exhaust straight under my car for three years. I have run both headers and manifolds and have not had any problems at all. If the tin kit is in good shape (no holes) there isn't an issue with fumes in the cockpit.
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Me Too!
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I don't know all the circumstances so don't shoot me, but I don't think that anyone that leaves the track to get fuel should be allowed to get their spot back. That just isn't right. No offense to the person it happened to, great for you. But isn't part of racing to prepare for the unexpected? No one thinks that the race will be so long that they will run out of fuel, but no one thinks that the guy beside them will get into them and cut a tire either. What's the difference? You fight other drivers, you fight the track and sometimes, you fight mother nature.
That just doesn't sound like a good call to me. Again, no offense to the lucky person that got this call, but I think it was a terrible call.
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there was a rain delay, and instead of cancelling the races, or stopping the cars, the track chose to run the cars around to help facilitate track drying. this went on for 20 minutes to a half hour. i'm not sure exactly why things happen the way they did, but i can tell you one thing, glenn watson should not have lost that race because he ran out of gas helping to dry the track. the whole feild should have been brought in under a competition yellow to refuel.
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yes they should have brought them all in and gave them free fuel that the track made then use....they should have calculated it out the amount that they would have used n gave them that much free fuel because it isnt fair to the drivers that they are wasting their money just so they can dry the track when they could have easily cancelled them
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i couldn't have said it better myself! that was totally wrong to expect late models to dry the track. but the guys did and there was controversy because of it. i think the next time it rains the guys should all pull off until "they" decide that it is time to go out again. after all it's their equipment and fuel out there.
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If it were a competition yellow that would be fine, but it wasn't, and the 22 car came off on his own. That means that he should have gone to the back of the field. It was a poor call from the track officials to leave the cars out there that long, but the fact remains that if you leave the track for any reason, you should go to the back. Is it fair that only the 22 car went off and got his spot back???Did he also make a chassis adjustment??? He could have done anything that he wanted to in the pits, and would still have gotten his spot back. Any of these lend an advantage to him. What about the guys in the dead of summer that have to do caution lap after caution lap due to accidents that eventually have to pull off the track as their car is starting to overheat? It's all the same. The unexpected can happen to anyone at any time. Circumstances that you can't control, things beyond your control and can hurt anyone on the track. It would have been very unfortunate had he lost the race do to the poor call from the track, but even worse that the rest of the field was put in that position. After he got his spot back, had the track allowed all other cars the same option to leave the track and keep their spot that would have been better. All in all, I believe that the track made the wrong call.... just my opinion though!!!! And the drivers get caught up in the middle..... (great for the 22 though!!)
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Something similar happen at the last points night at Sunset in the llm division. But it was a driver who spun out, and got his spot back, he caused a caution (a few of them did) and they all got their spots back. Every track can make bad calls, it happens it is apart of racing. Something you think is a bad call, others may thing it was a good call, because it suited their needs or whatever. Fact of the matter is it happens. But just to add in my 2 cents, I think they should have allowed all car to re-fuel.
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I agree 100% that all drivers get calls on the track that they may or may not deserve. But a car spinning and getting their spot back or a car causing someone to spin and keeping their own spot is far different than a car actually leaving the track and maintaining position. I have never seen a car leave the track before and get their spot back. I have seen it offered once at Sunset - when another car had hard impact with the inside wall at Sunset, another driver with emergency medical training stopped to help, his car got too hot when he shut it down to help out, he left the track to get it cooled down and when he came back they offered him his spot back, but he elected not to take it. So, while I have seen it offered once before, I have never actually seen it happen ever before.
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Probably would have been on the hill complaining too Leigh had it been somone else. We had planned on a 30/35 lap feature, not a 75, pretty tough to call that one
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Probably right Glenn. I understand what you are saying about the number of laps you were expecting to run and if you read fully what I wrote, I believe the chance to refuel/go pitside should have been offered to everyone at that point if the track wanted to keep things fair. What if the race had have restarted and a lap later another car ran out of fuel, under green, and they had to leave the track. Would they have stopped the race and allowed this person to refuel and come back to their position. If it happened to you, it may well have happened to someone else afterward. I am not saying that didn't deserve to win that race, I just don't agree with the officials call. Apparently this is still a very touchy subject even after all these months.
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Only suggestion I can make it... If you're running at Barrie and it looks like rain, pack up the fuel cell, you may need it.
One thing I can say for them, they sure are determined to get the show in and not too often will they throw in the towel. They make every effort to get the show done.
Prefer exhaust exit out the side.
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that was pretty ballsy to make a comment like that without sharing your name. wimp! lol
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glen wont get away with that in allstar
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Thanks dude!
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As much as I think it was a bad call on Barrie's part, it has nothing to do with "Glenn getting away with something." It was a call the track made, not something that Glenn "attempted" to get away with. What a stupid comment.
I agree with you Glenn on packing the fuel cell. My theory is if you are running 25 laps, put in enough for 60+. You never know what is going to happen once you get out there. It's all up in the air.
As far as calls, on or off the track go, I don't care what they are as long as they are consistent. I think that is the only thing that a driver, fan or crew member can ask for. Everyone gets calls they don't deserve sometimes and get away with things they shouldn't sometimes, as long as it is consistent. Same goes for consistent tech.
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Right On!!!
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hey glen you must have been doing alot of sucking up to get a call
like that l hope l get some breaks like that this summer
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Only if you tell them your name?
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Mufflers will be in this division I hope????