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NASCAR coming to Cayuga Speedway
Posted By KAREN BEST, CHRONICLE STAFF WRITER NELLES CORNERS
http://www.dunnvillechronicle.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1379851
Eight NASCAR drivers will compete this summer on the 5/8 mile oval track at Cayuga Motor Speedway.
During the NASCAR Race of Champions, Kenny Wallace, Jimmy Spencer, Michael Waltrip and Matt Kenseth and four other NASCAR drivers will compete in the event honouring Rusty Wallace. He will be the guest announcer, says Kevin Davis, who does promotion and publicity for the Speedway in Nelles Corners.
"It's unprecedented to have eight there at one time," he points out.
One thousand lucky fans will be able to get autographs.
Coaxed to confirm if the likes of Dale Earnhardt Junior or Jeff Gordon might make an appearance, Davis declines to comment. All he will say is the four unnamed drivers are well known.
He is also not talking about a "big" event on July 25. Contracts have yet to be signed yet, he says this week. The full schedule will be released on January 15.
Scheduled as the season finale, the NASCAR event will take place on August 22 and 23 and will feature two other race events. Tickets will be on sale on January 15 or earlier, says Davis.
NASCAR and the other 'big ' event are part of a package designed to rejuvenate the Speedway and bring it back to its potential, he adds.
A portion of race proceeds from every weekend will be donated to charities including Haldimand Community Living, West Haldimand General Hospital and Canadian Breast Cancer.
The Speedway's race season begins with the 200-lap NASCAR Canadian Tire series race on May 30 and 31. On June 28, the ARCA Re/Max series will carry on for 250 laps.
An open wheel weekend on July 11 and 12 will thrill fans. This is one of the more exciting racing formats because getting to close to a competitor's wheel can send a car airborne, says Davis. One hundred SST modified drivers will compete for 33 spots in the August 2 Crown Jewel event.
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Exciting!
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Aug 22 or 23 eh? Hmmm so Matt is going to miss the Sharpe 500 at Bristol to race Cayuga?
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Sharpe 500 Saturday August 22- Cayuga Sunday August 23rd
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Sharpe 500 Saturday August 22- Cayuga Sunday August 23rd
Sharpe 500 Tennesee, Cayuga Ontario Canada..
It was one problem with the Canada Day shootout. The first years it was a weekend off for the drivers which is why they could make it. Other years it wasn't and was a problem, even with the Sunday/holiday Monday.
If that didn't work, I can't see why this can.
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Last year -- DJ kennigton only made the trip oh about 7 times -- after racing a night race in the Nationwide series -- than coming to race in his NCATS car --- sometimes by driving all night and not in a airplane .....
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did anybody else notice that this article says the "Crown Jewel" race on August 2nd will be a race for SST modifieds? Kinda makes me think the big $25,000 to win late model race hyped on their website to be that same weekend is now a no go. I gotta think they're gonna need all that dough to draw their "100 modifieds for 33 spots".
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the late models drivers that i have talked to or read posts from said they wouldnt go to the cayuga show because it would be too hard on equipment for most and too long with need of a pit stop and no quik fill systems....rather concentrate on their home track.
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Last year -- DJ kennigton only made the trip oh about 7 times -- after racing a night race in the Nationwide series -- than coming to race in his NCATS car --- sometimes by driving all night and not in a airplane .....
Ya, I don't know how DJ does it? and when he's not stateside, most times drives his own hauler too!
I know just in the Richmond weekend alone, Andrew Ranger was in Richmond, then drove up to Barrie then back down to Richmond (I think it was DJ that talked him into flying back to Richmond).
Then look at Schrader (I know he's an exception), if there's a race and if he has the time and the equipment he'll be there. They were saying on Sirius last week, KSR has about 40 cars in their shop and can just about race in any class be it dirt or pavement on the continent.
If the NASCAR guys do come up, will it be in our NCATS? Wonder where they're going to find the rides for these guys???
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i only see one nascar driver there, one wanna be and two shills from speed.
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100+ Longstreet
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Last year -- DJ kennigton only made the trip oh about 7 times -- after racing a night race in the Nationwide series -- than coming to race in his NCATS car --- sometimes by driving all night and not in a airplane .....
Yeah but DJ is young and really wants to make it. Kinda like many of us would see our 1st born for a Cup ride.
Matt has made it, is a millionare, can run where ever and what ever he wants, making 30,000 per race. What is going to make him get on a plane with no sleep, after 500 laps at Bristol, to run at Cayuga, when if he really wanted to race more, he could just run the truck and nation wide right at Bristol, for a lot more money?
Auto makes a good point of who is going to field cars for them? We have no idea how many teams will be back in NCTS. Hey here's an idea, I'm more than willing to give Matt a ride in my thunder!!
If someone can pull a rabbit from a hat and make this happen, all the power to them. To me it sounds a bit like that Nation Stock Car Legue of whatever from a few years back, that had all these big plans that were not realistic.. Its also scary when this information is "leaked" why not wait untill the ink drys on the contracts with these driver before you announce it?
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You all seem to be forgetting we had a race many years ago at Cayuga and we had Tony Stewart, Matt Kenseth, Johnny Benson, Ken Schrader, Ted Musgrave & one other driver show up to race.
Why don't you wait and see what happens before you go knocking and making like this not going to happen.
It's unbelievable the same people seem to like to get in on knocking anything new they see and I hear many say if you spent as much time complaining about racing and worked on your car you might be a better.
You pay drivers to come and race they will be here.
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You all seem to be forgetting we had a race many years ago at Cayuga and we had Tony Stewart, Matt Kenseth, Johnny Benson, Ken Schrader, Ted Musgrave & one other driver show up to race.
Dave Blaney ;)
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You all seem to be forgetting we had a race many years ago at Cayuga and we had Tony Stewart, Matt Kenseth, Johnny Benson, Ken Schrader, Ted Musgrave & one other driver show up to race.
Because that race was "The Canada Day Shootout". Back in the day when that was run, there was not a cup race the same weekend. As I said before, one of the reason that stopped was because the Cup schedual changed, and there was a Cup race that weekend and dirvers wouldn't show.
I'm not knocking it if it will happen. I was at every "Canada Day Shootout" as I will be at this race IF IT HAPPENS.
I just don't think racing needs another rumor, that may not take shape. It makes racing here look Micky Mouse. It says, the only way we can get attention for our track is for Cup drivers to show up. Thats sad, considering how many talented local drivers we have here. Give me Hanley, Watson, Walters, McHattie, Ryens, Mayhew, Baker, JR ect ect ect ANYDAY over Waltrip...
My concern is that its a PR stunt and isn't practical...
p.s. Who took Marlin's place the year he was supposed to show.. I forgot. Was it Blaney? Also if you go WAY back in years, I forget the series, but guys like Mark Martin were racing at Cayuga. Didn't Earnhart Sr run there even?
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Yes that was the driver. Just couldn't remember it. Thanks
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It was a Bodine!! Jeff Bodine, I think...
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He was at the Media Day for the race but didn't drive in the race.
It was a Bodine!! Jeff Bodine, I think...
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He was at the Media Day for the race but didn't drive in the race.
It was a Bodine!! Jeff Bodine, I think...
No Brett was supposed to drive, so he was there for media day, but he had to leave, so Geoffry subed in the race for him. I think LOL
UPDATE: Brett Bodine said yesterday [at the Canada Day Shootout at Cayuga Speedway, where his brother Geoffrey subbed for him] he has a new three-year deal on the table and should have it signed within 10 days.(Toronto Sun)(6-30-2003)
http://www.jayski.com/teams/11bbr.htm
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The Canada Day Shoot Out will feature not only some of Canada’s top stock car drivers, but also 3 of NASCAR’s star drivers; Kenny Wallace, two time Daytona 500 winner Sterling Marlin and Geoff Bodine. Geoff will be driving in place of his brother Brett Bodine, who was recently injured during practice at Michigan International Speedway.
http://www.team3red.com/news/news2k3/news062603.htm
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It was the old ASA series that saw the likes of Mark Martin and Dale sr among many other legends race at cayuga speedway
Mark even had a broken leg for one race I think and had to be carried from the car afterwords
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It was a Bodine!! Jeff Bodine, I think...
Bodine, Wallace and Marlin ran the 2'nd time they came up.
The first time the guys came up it was Schrader, Stewart, Kenseth, Benson, Blaney & Musgrave. Stewart even jumped into an ISMA Super Modified, as they ran that weekend as well!
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You must have major ulcers if you are worried what others do all the time. Ross take a deep Breath. The whole Canadian Racing world is not on your shoulder.
If the track did this as a PR stunt you don't look bad they would but jumping on a press release like this and saying it might be a rumor or pr stunt makes it look bad for racing and maybe less papers will report on Canadian Racing news and we all know how Canadian Motorsports doesn't get much time in local or major papers in Canada. So we could say that people attacking articles makes it bad for racing.
Why would this make Canadian Racing look Micky Mouse? The person that got the info might look a bit bad but the track would look bad to some for a bit but great racing in Canada would continue and the track would still hold events.
OK so the drivers you mentioned below are going to draw huge crowds to a track and bring in new fans to Canadian Racing? Nope not at all. Race fans that are already into racing in Canada would go see these great Canadian Drivers but they are not going to pay $25 - $35 a ticket to see these guys.
You seem to be missing the big picture here. They pull off this race Canadian Racing gets noticed more by US shows mentioning this race and more Canadian Fans get into seeing races at local tracks in Canada.
Why not call up the track and ask them your many questions and report back to us? Because what you are saying is really stuff you came up with and is not based on any facts. So why should someone look at what you are writing and believe any of it or people could say you are bad for racing? as you seem to be jumping all over it and making like it is impossible to pull this off.
I just don't think racing needs another rumor, that may not take shape. It makes racing here look Micky Mouse. It says, the only way we can get attention for our track is for Cup drivers to show up. That's sad, considering how many talented local drivers we have here. Give me Hanley, Watson, Walters, McHattie, Ryens, Mayhew, Baker, JR ect ect ect ANYDAY over Waltrip...
My concern is that its a PR stunt and isn't practical...
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Your 100% right on this as I was there in the Pits and these were the only drivers I saw there and got pictures of.
Bodine, Wallace and Marlin ran the 2'nd time they came up.
The first time the guys came up it was Schrader, Stewart, Kenseth, Benson, Blaney & Musgrave. Stewart even jumped into an ISMA Super Modified, as they ran that weekend as well!
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CASCAR Canada Day Shootout Year 2002
FIN. ST. # DRIVER (HOMETOWN) SPONSOR / MAKE LAPS
1 9 17N Matt Kenseth (Charlotte, NC) DeWalt Tools Taurus 100
2 1 4 Don Thomson Jr. (Hamilton, ON) Home Hardware Chevrolet Monte Carlo 100
3 3 76 Al Turner (Barrie ON) Blue Streak Hygrade Motor Products Intrepid 100
4 4 1 Peter Gibbons (Stouffville, ON) Canadian Tire Chevrolet Monte Carlo 100
5 7 33 Neil Fair (Ancaster, ON) Skoal Inc. / Mac's Chevrolet Monte Carlo 100
6 11 17 D.J. Kennington (St. Thomas, ON) Castrol SYNTEC / Kleen Flo / Team Truck Intrepid 100
7 5 64 Mark Dilley (Barrie, ON) NTN Bearings Ford Taurus 100
8 29 93 Joe Goncalves (Concord, ON) Wooden Sticks Chevrolet Monte Carlo 100
9 28 36 Ken Schrader (Charlotte, NC) Canada Day Shootout Chevrolet Monte Carlo 100
10 6 9 Robbie Thompson (Southampton, ON) Team Logel / Shear Metal Products Intrepid 100
11 32 20 Tony Stewart (Charlotte, NC) Home Depot Pontiac Grand Prix 100
12 15 39 Dave Whitlock (Petrolia, ON) Fast Lane / Ford Motor Company Ford Taurus 100
13 12 10 Johnny Benson (Charlotte, NC) Valvoline Pontiac Grand Prix 100
14 19 77 Dave Blaney (Charlotte, NC) Jasper Engines / RBC Securities Ford Taurus 100
15 34 19 Brad Graham (Glencoe, ON) Challenger Motor Frt. / Volvo Trucks Pontiac G.P. 100
16 31 22 Scott Steckly (Milverton, ON) AW Millwrights / ERB / CPL Sys. Pontiac Grand Prix 100
17 13 60 Ron Beauchamp Jr. (Windsor, ON) Mopar Performance Parts / Mr. Sub / Exide Intrepid 100
18 23 56 Doug Brown (Brantford, ON) Trailers by Jim Bray Chevrolet Monte Carlo 100
19 16 24 Cole Pearn (Mt. Brydges, ON) R Kubota Canada Pontiac Grand Prix 100
20 20 15 Robin Buck (Campbellville, ON) NAPA Pontiac Grand Prix 100
21 41 28 Steve Robblee (Dorchester, ON) Havoline Ford Taurus 99
22 36 31 Kelly Williams (Inglewood, ON) Pontiac Grand Prix 99
23 40 82 Steve Munro (Carp, ON) Tide (Procter & Gamble) Chevrolet Monte Carlo 99
24 27 3 Bill Rowse Jr. (Uxbridge, ON) Snap-on Tools / Canadian Forces Chevrolet Monte Carlo 99
25 30 32 Mike Alguire (London, ON) R A-DOR Pontiac Grand Prix 99
26 42 94 Mark Graham (Odessa, ON) Interlock / Microplay Chevrolet Monte Carlo 98
27 21 14 John Fitzpatrick (Ayr, ON) Cambridge Rigging Chevrolet Monte Carlo 97
28 39 04 Andy Farr (Chesterfield, MI) Intrepid 97
29 44 29 Kevin Trevellin (LaSalle, ON) BCW Wrestling / Contact Freight Inc. Ford Taurus 96
30 10 25 Jim Lapcevich (Hamilton, ON) Banned Word/Site Radio / Fastline Motorsports Chevrolet Monte Carlo 96
31 37 96 Jesse Kennedy (Southwold, ON) Pontiac Grand Prix 96
32 25 35 Kevin Dowler (Edmonton, AB) Ford Quality Care Ford Taurus 96
33 14 88 Dave Jacombs (Mt. Hope, ON) Speedy Auto Service / FAG Automotive Taurus 95
34 22 97 Rob Neely (Milton, ON) Holmar Plumbing Intrepid 95
35 35 23 Jeff Lapcevich (Caistor Centre, ON) Fastline Motorsports Chevrolet Monte Carlo 94
36 2 1N Ted Musgrave, (Charlotte, NC) Mopar Parts / Chrysler Financial Intrepid 91
37 33 99 Pete Vanderwyst (St. Thomas, ON) Exide Batteries Pontiac Grand Prix 89
38 24 52 Ron Sheridan (Strathroy, ON) R Restoration Masters / United Carpet Chevrolet Monte Carlo 89
39 26 81 Shawn McGlynn (Kitchener, ON) Ford Taurus 87
40 17 02 Kerry Micks (Mt. Albert, ON) UFCW Canada Ford Taurus 76
41 38 43 Bob Merrifield (Belle River, ON) Remax Preferred Realty Intrepid 69
42 43 5 Nik Lapcevich (Hamilton, ON) D&D Ent. / Trane Chevrolet Monte Carlo 68
43 8 0 Joe Plazek (Caistor Centre, ON) R Playstation2 Chevrolet Monte Carlo 34
44 18 7 Sean Dupuis (LaSalle, ON) Ron O'Brien Remax / CANUSA / APC Chevrolet Monte Carlo 27
R after the hometown denotes Rookie contender.
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Canada Day Shootout Year 2003
Pos Car# Driver/Hometown Sponsor/Make Laps
1 1 1 Peter Gibbons (Stouffville ON) Canadian Tire ChevroletMonte Carlo 200
2 5 77 Pete Vanderwyst (St. Thomas ON) Pontiac Grand Prix 200
3 2 02 Kerry Micks (Mt. Albert ON) UFCW Canada Ford Taurus 200
4 4 37 D.J. Kennington (St. Thomas ON) Snap On Tools / CastrolCanada Intrepid 200
5 23 28 Steve Robblee (Dorchester ON) Ron O’Brien Remax /CGC Ford Taurus 200
6 6 19 Brad Graham (Glencoe ON) Challenger Motor Frt. / VolvoTrucks Pontiac Grand Prix 200
7 3 39 Dave Whitlock (Wyoming ON) NMT / Whitlock MotorsportsIntrepid 200
8 15 23 Jeff Lapcevich (Caistor Centre ON) Fastline MotorsportsChevrolet Monte Carlo 200
9 10 33 Neil Fair (Ancaster ON) Skoal Inc. / Mac's Intrepid 200
10 9 88 Dave Jacombs (Mt. Hope ON) FAG / Inroble Brakes Taurus 200
11 22 22 Scott Steckly (Milverton ON) Schick Xtreme3 / RazorMag. / ERB Pontiac Grand Prix 200
12 11 71 Bryan Cathcart (Peterborough ON) R National FastFreight Intrepid 200
13 13 52 Ron Sheridan (Strathroy ON) R Restoration Masters/ United Carpet Pontiac Grand Prix 200
14 7 4 Don Thomson Jr. (Hamilton ON) Home Hardware ChevroletMonte Carlo 200
15 16 64 Mark Dilley (Barrie ON) NTN Bearings Intrepid 200
16 8 60 Ron Beauchamp Jr. (Windsor ON) MOPAR PerformanceParts / Exide Intrepid 199
17 27 56 John Fletcher (Milton ON) R Trailers By Jim BrayChevrolet Monte Carlo 199
18 17 23N Kenny Wallace (St. Louis MO) Canada Day ShootoutFord Taurus 199
19 14 14 John Fitzpatrick (Ayr ON) Cambridge Rigging ChevroletMonte Carlo 199
20 33 5 Nik Lapcevich (Hamilton ON) Chevrolet Monte Carlo 199
21 31 24 Cole Pearn (Mt. Brydges ON) Kubota Canada PontiacGrand Prix 199
22 24 25 Jim Lapcevich (Hamilton ON) Fastline MotorsportsChevrolet Monte Carlo 198
23 12 40 Sterling Marlin (Columbia TN) Coor’s Light Intrepid 198
24 21 10 Doug Brown (Brantford ON) NAPA / Autopro PontiacGrand Prix 198
25 35 42 Sean Stafford (Springfield ON) R Mid-America FreightSystems Chevrolet Monte Carlo 197
26 26 00 Billy Innes (Simcoe ON) Regional Auto Glass ChevroletMonte Carlo 197
27 32 93 Joe Goncalves (Concord ON) Holmar Plumbing ChevroletMonte Carlo 195
28 28 41 John Tsoumaris (Toronto ON) John’s Unique Auto /Mama’s Pizza Chevrolet Monte Carlo 191
29 37 94 Mark Graham (Odessa ON) Jumbo Video / Microplay/ Edge Pro Gel Chevrolet Monte Carlo 185
30 20 98 Pete Shepherd Jr. (Brampton ON) R National ExhaustSystems / Inside Track Intrepid 178
31 18 55 Rob Graham (Bothwell ON) R Doering Brown / OKI DataChevrolet Monte Carlo 177
32 36 11 Geoff Bodine (Chemung NY) ATTO Insurance ChevroletMonte Carlo 169
33 29 32 Mike Alguire (London ON) Industrial Waterproof Systems/ A-DOR Pontiac Grand Prix 140
34 25 86 Kenny Forth (Lynden ON) Labour Ready / 820 CHAM/ Rockton Berry Farm Ford Taurus 123
35 34 01 Steve Munro (Carp ON) Nesquik Chevrolet Monte Carlo 87
36 30 91 Doug Day (Waterloo ON) Twin City Auto Parts ChevroletMonte Carlo 35
37 19 7 Sean Dupuis (LaSalle ON) CANUSA / APC / HavolineChevrolet Monte Carlo 32
R after the hometown denotes Rookie contender.
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Delaware had Johnny Benson running one weekend this past summer and I didn't hear about it until afterward and I keep my ear to the ground on this stuff. Tracks need to do a lot more PR stuff and get the chat going. If this report is not totally correct about Cayuga (we have heard lots of stuff about Cayuga that hasn't panned out) then so be it. Last years ARCA race at Cayuga was a huge disappointment as far as fan turn out goes because there was zero PR. Get the buzz going.
p.s. speaking of Delaware, whats up with their site? You go there and the site has been suspended and gives links to pay the bill.
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OK now that I have posted both races where Nascar drivers drove at Cayuga. Why is it not possible to have drivers here again. Why should we believe the doubters?
Why look for the bad in the release? Doesn't make any sense. Ross why not get the drivers you mention and approach a track and put a good race show on for us?
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See and when the press releases and we get chating about it we have people doubting it and why should they bother reporting it if all we do is knock it before the event even happens. I know Cayuga made a lot of promisses and they intended to do a lot with the track but the cost was just too much but for racing is a different story I have seen and hear great racing there.
If it doesn't happen come on here and complain but doing it before doesn't help racing.
Delaware had Johnny Benson running one weekend this past summer and I didn't hear about it until afterward and I keep my ear to the ground on this stuff. Tracks need to do a lot more PR stuff and get the chat going. If this report is not totally correct about Cayuga (we have heard lots of stuff about Cayuga that hasn't panned out) then so be it. Last years ARCA race at Cayuga was a huge disappointment as far as fan turn out goes because there was zero PR. Get the buzz going.
p.s. speaking of Delaware, whats up with their site? You go there and the site has been suspended and gives links to pay the bill.
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I own a hosting company and this can happen for many reasons. The system never processed the payment, They are transferring to a new host or someone forgot or was late in sending out the payment. This happens all the time some hosting company's have a 10 day non payment and the system suspends the account. 10 days is to fast to do and I set mine at 2 month before it suspends the account with that notice.
I have contacted someone that works at the track to let them know if they don't know already.
The track is doing well and the 2009 schedule will be out shortly.
p.s. speaking of Delaware, whats up with their site? You go there and the site has been suspended and gives links to pay the bill.
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Your 100% right on this as I was there in the Pits and these were the only drivers I saw there and got pictures of.
Bodine, Wallace and Marlin ran the 2'nd time they came up.
The first time the guys came up it was Schrader, Stewart, Kenseth, Benson, Blaney & Musgrave. Stewart even jumped into an ISMA Super Modified, as they ran that weekend as well!
I remember talking to Gerry Evans after the first shootout. Did you know he tried to get Kurt Busch and Jimmy Spencer up to race at Cayuga. Remember, that was right after those 2 were at logger heads. It's too bad he couldn't pull that one off, it would have been another one to remember, but I wouldn't want to be the car owners, providing the cars for these two! lol
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OK now that I have posted both races where Nascar drivers drove at Cayuga. Why is it not possible to have drivers here again. Why should we believe the doubters?
Why look for the bad in the release? Doesn't make any sense. Ross why not get the drivers you mention and approach a track and put a good race show on for us?
Its sad Evan that you don't see already they are putting on a "good race". I mean you run a race forum here, with even some of the awsome drivers I mentioned online.
See what kinda pisses me off is a track "promises" that they will bring some big names from NASCAR up and that makes all the buzz, you even ask that a track put on a "good show" as if there isn';t one now. Barrie Thunder invitational, you could watch anywhere in the pack and there was a great battle for position. Walter Vs Witty at AC. About anything listed in the 2008 CRO awards as the greatest moment.. And hell yeah I'd pay $35 bucks +++++ to watch any of those... Having blown over 100 bucks a ticket to watch a 200 lap parade at Michigan, so its really a no brainer to me.
So yeah, lets get all excited about some race where NASCAR drivers are going to show up. Even hold out hope that the "mistry" drivers are WOW Dale Jr. Forget that its not likely to happen, because thats negative thinking. If it wasn't for a bunch of overpriced american drivers like Walrip coming to Canada, what would we have to look forward to for the 2009 race season? Right?
Even if NASCAR is your thing and the center of the earth to you, I'd be a heck of a lot more excited to see JR make it there, than to see Waltrip turn laps and get badly beaten at Caygua...
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ross for you and me to see the races you were talking about with our home track heros going at it and good side by side racing ( itoo was at barrie for the barrie thunder invi) is great but for the casual fan who only sees "big name" drivers on tv this may be what brings them to a local track for the first time, in the early eightys i went to cayuga to see an ASA race for this reason, mark martin alan kulwiki jim sauter and a few others i cant think of right at this moment. this hooked me for life and i was only 12. i lived in TO and didnt know there was evan a track out side of barrie. now i would'nt spend my saturday night anywhere else and i now have kids who feel the same. ;)
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ross for you and me to see the races you were talking about with our home track heros going at it and good side by side racing ( itoo was at barrie for the barrie thunder invi) is great but for the casual fan who only sees "big name" drivers on tv this may be what brings them to a local track for the first time, in the early eightys i went to cayuga to see an ASA race for this reason, mark martin alan kulwiki jim sauter and a few others i cant think of right at this moment. this hooked me for life and i was only 12. i lived in TO and didnt know there was evan a track out side of barrie. now i would'nt spend my saturday night anywhere else and i now have kids who feel the same. ;)
Exactly Charger, it's good for the sport!
And Ross, I agree we have some of the best drivers going up here at our local tracks but come on, really, those guys that do make it to the Cup level, are the elite of the elite! And yes, I can think of several of our drivers, if given the chance could make it down there.
And for everyone concerned up here, from a driver to get to drive against them, a crew member that gets to work with them, a fan that gets to see them for the first time, to the track owner that perhaps brings some fame to his track, the promoter's, the sponsors, etc., etc.... in my mind, it's a win/win situation all around.
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ross for you and me to see the races you were talking about with our home track heros going at it and good side by side racing ( itoo was at barrie for the barrie thunder invi) is great but for the casual fan who only sees "big name" drivers on tv this may be what brings them to a local track for the first time, in the early eightys i went to cayuga to see an ASA race for this reason, mark martin alan kulwiki jim sauter and a few others i cant think of right at this moment. this hooked me for life and i was only 12. i lived in TO and didnt know there was evan a track out side of barrie. now i would'nt spend my saturday night anywhere else and i now have kids who feel the same. ;)
I'm not saying its a bad thing. What my comments were dirrect at are those of us here, that are drivers at the tracks and fans that support the local tracks.
If some guy who's never been to a race say, Wow Jeff Gordon is at Cayuga, i've never been to a race, I'm going to go. Thats a good thing.
However for you or me to say Wow Jeff Gordon is at Cayuga, as if its more important than Hanley, Watson and Temersma being at whatever, would be a mistake..
What I worry about is if it doesn't happen, or the NASCAR star crashes on the first lap, all the excitement had been removed. The new fan is "stuck" watching our local guys, and may overlook the fact that its the local guys that will really be putting the show on.
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Ross I know they are putting on good races in Canada at local tracks. What I mean is to attract the NASCAR fan that has never been to a race at a local track in Canada you need events like this to get some Nascar guys and mix them in with our great drivers. once they see this race they may come back to the track to watch races without the Nascar stars in them.
12 years ago I never knew there was a lot of tracks in ontario and I was a big Nascar fan. I learned about Cascar becuase of the indy. See so it took something else to get me to notice we have good racing at local track across Canada.
I wish they did a pole after the First Nascar & Cascar shootout to see who is going to races at local tracks that didn't before that event.
Maybe someone one here was one of them.
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Have faith folks. I've talked with the track a week or so ago and was made aware of this event. It apparently is part of a full weekend of racing with the Nascar drivers competing in a separate event amongst themselves. Obviously, this is planned to be a Sunday event with many of the drivers racing in Bristol the night before. I was told that getting the final contracts/ commitments from the drivers is the main hold up in releasing the schedule and tickets. Although I can't guarantee anything, the drivers I've heard mentioned are: Jimmy Spencer, Kenny Wallace, Michael Waltrip, David Reutimann, Carl Edwards, Casey Mears, Kasey Kahne, and Carl Edwards. Rusty isn't driving (too bad). I hope it all works out, it would be a good weekend.
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The first Canada Day Shootout was a great time. Good crowd and good racing. Even a little extra excitement with Tony and Schrader getting into each other and Kenseth running down Donnie at the end. I have the drivers side rear quarter panel from Dave Blaney's Jasper car. It's autographed by all six drivers. It's hanging in my store. I think the entire Jasper car body was auctioned off. For Leukemia Research I think. I'll have to find my COA. This event could have the same draw.
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I would hope its not a stand alone race, it would be cool for those drivers to run in an ncats event. the resorces are there with lots of cars sitting limbo. jw
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It's supposed to be a stand alone race for the Nascar drivers. A sort of exhibition I guess. But this race is just part of a full race weekend. At least, that's my understanding. There is also supposed to be an autograph session with the Nascar drivers. Their time will be at a premium probably. I never asked what cars they will be driving. My guess is they will use a car from a driver racing there that weekend. Anybody else heard what cars the Nascar drivers will be driving?
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I would hope its not a stand alone race, it would be cool for those drivers to run in an ncats event. the resorces are there with lots of cars sitting limbo. jw
I'm wondering if this is the 2'nd race weekend at Cayuga slated the NCATS, Jason???
I remember the Shoot Out, it was wild, I camped out back for the week! Even the helicopter was busy!
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I hope this deal comes to-gether. I was at the first Canada Day Shootout, in the flagstand actually, and I have never been to a short track race in Canada with that much excitement. The cars that were used by the nascar drivers were all supplied by the regular cascar teams. The funniest guy at the drivers meeting was Ted Musgrave. The exhibition race with just the 6 nascar drivers before the main event was one of the most entertaining 10 laps I have ever seen. Nobody noticed they were 2 seconds off the usual race pace, it was just sheer entertainment for the 10 laps. And when tony got into schrader in the qualifying race who remembers that it was Scott Steckley that got caught up in the spin? What a show to be part of. That was a great race day for canada. I was standing in the pits when they played the canadian national anthem and to hear most of the fans actually SINGING O'CANADA for a change sent shivers down my back.
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I hear that the late models from Delaware are on the Cayuga NASCAR show
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I hear that the late models from Delaware are on the Cayuga NASCAR show
Hey that would be cool, Jim. I guess that means the guys from Flamboro could run too! Sounds like an awesome show?
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What would even be better is if McColl supplied 8 LMs for the NASCAR boys. Wishful thinking I know. Am really hoping they run a race with our guys, not just an exhibition amongst themselves. If it's anything like the Canada Day race it's a definate must attend race for 2009.
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That was a great race day for canada. I was standing in the pits when they played the canadian national anthem and to hear most of the fans actually SINGING O'CANADA for a change sent shivers down my back.
And when the three seagulls flew down the front stretch in formation about 30 feet off the ground right on cue at the end of the anthem well....made me proud to be Canadian LOL ;) :D ;D
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Delaware site is back up...glitch with server.
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haha oh man, the thing with the birds hilarious. same thing happened at the last NCATS race of the year this year at Kawartha, except it was a V of geese. The crowd went nuts, everybody loved it.
off topic i know, but for anybody who was there, its a good memory haha
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That was something i will never forget, absolutely hilarious. standing their with a "Game face" on and those damn geese make everyone laugh their asses off!!!! good stuff, kinda made me proud to be canadian!! we could tell everyone that was a planned fly over!! jw
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A lot of people remember the Sunday part of the Canada Shootout, but forget or just don't give a crap about what happened the day before for some reason...But Tony Stewart got in Brad Lichty's Supermodified and put on a show that I won't forget...
Johnny Benson also tested that car that day, which got him started down the path to racing Supermodifieds on a regular basis...He now owns a Super and raced it for the first time in September.
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And that is what Benson raced at Delaware this year. Getting back to the track PR thing, this is one event I missed because I didn't hear a thing about it until after. PR after the fact doesn't get you gate receipts!
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I remember how they set of the fire works when the first car finished the race and others started to check up as the smoke made it look like there was a wreck near the start finish line.
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With Cayuga going with the "Specials" format, why wouldn't they be at CPT to promote whatever their agenda is ??? This would be a great PR opportunity for them.
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Its nice that someone posted the finishing order from the 2002 and 2003 event at Cayuga, back in the day when it was still CASCAR...37 cars for one race and 44 for the other.
Now thats a car count !!
If these Cup guys want to run the race up here this year, there are a ton of available cars that are ready to run as many guys have said there out of the Nascar deal.
It would be easy to say there at least 20 cars that are sitting that are ready to go if someone is going to buck up, but dont think these guys are going to do it for nothing.
It will take anywhere's from $15,000 to $30,000 to rent the cars, and I can gaurentee you that Nascar isint about to pay.
It would be good to see them run this race because there probablly wont be anymore then about 20 NCTS cars on the track, so making the feild for qualifying would be as simple as pushing a tire around the track.
This is a great promotion that Cayuga is doing.
I just hope they dont get to disapointed by the cost to do such a program.
The ex Cup guys generally get around $10,000 for a show like this, but the current Cup guys like Matt costs around $50,000..... Â Its a ton of money to spend just for Autographs....
I wonder how much they pay Jason White to show up at these races.....
And he wont even charge you for an autograph...
He might even pay you for yours !! Â
The least he will do is give you a coupon for 25% off at A&W....
Really though...anyone in the NCTS that turns down anything more then $5,000 is nuts, even if its the only car they have, as ther is no way in a milion years they could make that much money even if they sat on the pole, led every lap, and went on to win the race.
Send them my way and I will rent them my car...and watch the race with Jason from the pits eating PaPa burgers and layghing all the way to the bank !!! Â Â
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And that is what Benson raced at Delaware this year. Getting back to the track PR thing, this is one event I missed because I didn't hear a thing about it until after. PR after the fact doesn't get you gate receipts!
At least one of the times Johnny has been to Delaware was a last minute thing...since he was scheduled to race the car the next night at his home track (Berlin), he came to Delaware to get some seat time.
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A lot of people remember the Sunday part of the Canada Shootout, but forget or just don't give a crap about what happened the day before for some reason...But Tony Stewart got in Brad Lichty's Supermodified and put on a show that I won't forget...
Hey Tommy, go back to page 2 of this thread, I didn't forget. lol ;)
Tony really impressed me that day in Brad's car!
Didn't a bunch of them go go-karting that weekend as well? I could be wrong, but I think Al Turner won the go-karting deal.
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Okay all kidding aside..
You know what really burns me about this topic....
Now I know the guy who started this topic didn't write the original story, so I am not pointing fingers at him for the news, and actually, its a good thing he did post it because it proves a point I have been trying to make all along.
Okay so the big headline is NASCAR IS COMING TO CAYUGA SPEEDWAY...
This event is big news for Cayuga, and by no means do I hold them accountable for the intent of the message of the article, but it really spells it out in black and white with what I have been saying for years here.
I thought Nascar has been racing at Cayuga Speedway for at least three years now, and for that matter at least twice per year. Â Is it any wonder why the teams of the NCTS cannot get sponsors to compete in the NASCAR Canadian Tire Series when the Canadian Press, and the fans, and even the guys on here talking about it cant give the NCTS Teams the credit they deserve by at least including them in the same story.
Here is a typical question from a ten year old kid when you tell him you race in the NCTS...
Do you race against Jeff Gordon or Dale JR.???
NO we don't...
Same question from a 30 year old....
Answer...no we don't....
Same question from a Sponsor that your trying to get a hundred thousand out of.....
Answer...no we don't...
I hope everyone gets my drift here... its like NASCAR means those big guys and NASCAR CANADIAN TIRE SERIES is just a bunch of nothings !!
Just for once I wish we could get the same recognition as our more important half, but for now I guess we just keep being the low life's.
This Series received so much more acknowledgment as a great racing series when we had our own identity as CASCAR, but since the takeover this series has just become the lowest level of racing on the Nascar totem pole and will never be anything more then that.
What happened to all the good that was supposed to come out of this takeover..
I will tell you...SQWAT...just plain old diddly SQWAT !!
Its just great that every NCTS Team goes out and spend's $400,000.00 to run in a series that is second fiddle to SuperStar's like Kenny Wallace....I mean Kenny Wallace !!
I wonder if Nascar would consider changing the name back to Cascar ???
Again, Great news and Promo for Cayuga Speedway and I hope they fill the place and make a ton of money because they deserve it, and as for the NCTS...No we don't !!
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Its just great that every NCTS Team goes out and spend's $400,000.00 to run in a series that is second fiddle to SuperStar's like Kenny Wallace....I mean Kenny Wallace !!
I agree 100% with that, and that was what I was saying before...
If more effort was put on promoting the series and the drivers around here, rather than flying in Kenny Wallace and Waltrip to run practice laps by the sounds of it (Cup guys running their own race), there wouldn't be stupid questions like "You race in NCTS do you race with Jeff Gordon".
Few years back you could find a Gibbions Canadian Tire Chevy in the toy section of all Canadian tire stores. Not a big deal, but something like that is the same methods of promotion that the Cup level uses.
Point is, around here the effort should be made to market the division so names like Steckly, Gibions, Kennington are bigger draws than hacks like Kenny Wallance and Walitrip, like they should be. It really is a pie in the face on real racers that Waltrip and Wallance coming here to crash and burn is a draw..
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I tend to agree with ross and bar. but playing devils advocate......how good do we look when we beat them!!!! we have lots of drivers better than half those guys on that list, so lets hope the deal is they are in ncts stuff, in an ncts race. let them have their trophy dash, but we all go in together for the main. question.....did 44 cars start that raceor was there a b- main? :o jw
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No they aactually had cars go home that didnt make the show, and yes the only reason the place was so packed was because the Cup guys were in the show, although they did have  to qualify in, and some did better then others.
What I see, and I think allot of see here is this NCTS deal is just one big money grab and although you support the hell out of it Jason, one day you will see what the rest of us see that were here in the East prior to the merger.
I dont know if this is such a big deal out West but you must admit, for a smany guys where racers from the West back in the day, you seem to be the only one from the West in this series. Â You either have way to much money, or you havent been screwed over yet by Nascar, although I think this could be the year as they are having really big problems getting Sponsors and dates with Tracks due to the shortage of money to go around.
Don't be to alarmed when they take A&W away from you to fill some of the Event Sponsorships...its just a matter of time.
The reason the schedule isint out yet has allot to do with the Tracks not ready to step up like the last couple of years. Â Even though at places like Barrie where the NCTS is the biggest show of the year it becomes harder and harder for them to just hand out $60,000 for a race when they stand to only break even at best.
Events like Cayuga dont even come close to making a dime as a Track Owner, and this could be the last kick at the Cat by promoting it this way.
Its funny in a way, but with Dodge gone, who is going to be the Sponsors at these events.
A&W is the only company that comes to mind, and that is why I am saying....
Watch your back !!!!
Goldie Locks is in town and the PaPA Bear is looking pretty filling right now....
Who do you think will be back as a Race Sponsor this year ????
Do you know of anyone new coming to the series as a new Sponsor  ????
Do you know of any new Full Time Teams or Drivers ????
(Dont say Gibbons as the Team has always been around and the new kid is only 4 races)
Do you think they will increase purses.... put it this way, with the money they are spending on bringing in the 'Real Nascar Drivers' is more then likely enough to increase the current purses by 200% to all of us no name's. Â Â
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are you racing NCATS next year BAR?
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I agree somewhat with what Ross and BAR are trying to say here but lets face it, NASCAR is NASCAR because of promotion and hype. You can't even see a "CASCAR" race live on TV for s**ts sake! TSN shows bowling or darts or some other crap stuff. When they do show the races it is cut up so badly that its hard to watch. Blackouts don't work, interest has to be cultivated. Look at the Super Bowl and the Grey Cup. The Super Bowl is CRAP year after year and the Grey Cup is way better football but what happens in Canada? Super Bowl partys etc because it is percieved to be "better" or despite Canadian's superiority complex we still flock to American stuff. Its the same with singers actors etc. They aren't seen to have "made it" until they have made it in the States and then after the novelty wears off we crap on them. The product sadly doesn't matter to all but the faithful. All the tracks in Ontario, and maybe Canada as a whole, need to form some sort of association and cross promote. Core fans are great but you need to fill those seats every week that are warmed by people who only go to one or two races a year. When was the last time you saw or heard of Peter Gibbons at a Crappy Tire or Donny Thompson at a Home Hardware? Tony Stewart did Home Depots in Canada. I have seen Gibbons show car at a Crappy Tire before but no driver so so what. Going to things like home shows etc is great PR, doesn't break the bank and adds value for sponsers. I realize that these guys have other responsibilities outside racing but you can't have your cake and eat it too. I may be blowing smoke out my butt here but as a fan these are things that I observe. I'd like to hear from those of you in the business am I out to lunch or do I have some merit?
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Ernie, the cost of doing a live show is huge, especially when the races wld be competing with CFL/MLB and even a few NASCAR shows. They could never make any money...it is purely financial. Darts and Pool cost little to put on the air as those shows are packaged by another station/company and are then sold for pittles to ESPN/TSN/Sportsnet
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When was the last time you saw or heard of Peter Gibbons at a Crappy Tire or Donny Thompson at a Home Hardware?
Hey Ernie, Jacombs Racing, Walmart, Pro Sports Management and many others behind the scene did our best to get the #7 & #27 cars out to different Walmarts' across the country. Vernon & Riverside come to mind. The drivers were there too signing autographs. We had Andrew's oval car sitting right in the front lobby of our hotel in Montreal. The drivers did a special diner appearance thing in the hotel reastaurant as well. Our drivers were always being whisked away to promotional things, at and off the track. The day we did the M&M's thing, Andrew flew in from Quebec, Alex from Vegas and me and 2 other crew members drove up in the hauler to do the show (it takes a few guys to unload & prep the cars).
And I saw other teams doing the same last year, Erb was off doing their thing in Edmonton at the IH dealership, Fitzpatrick's team I saw at Home Hardware in Vernon, I had better not forget Jason with the A&W guys in BC., etc., etc.. I'm sure I saw Gibbons at Canadian Tire and I'm sure I heard Beauchamp was @ Dodge. I know our sponsor and management team even have their own show car and hauler doing shows as well, I've seen them in St. Eustache and Edmonton.
It's a hard thing to accomplish though logistically and financially. Most of us are volunteers, so yes, when we're in town for a race, we'll do some shows. We even went up to M&M's and did a little show for the employee's up there. I can remember when Whitlock used to have Ford for a sponsor, they used to come down to the plant in Oakville, we even had Bill Elliott's car on display down there.
Anyway I think these deals are all lined up prior to the contracts, sponsorships, etc., being signed and it's basically up to the sponsor & promotors to set this sort of thing up, and it is to their advantage, for sure, but like I say, sometimes it's hard to get all the stars aligned. I'm almost positive this was all agreed upon for this season before this thread was even started.
It all comes down to dollars and cents in the long run too! I think one of the reasons the teams have gone to the big haulers is because it's a promotional thing as well. But anyway Ernie, I'll ask Ford if they'll reconsider offering me the package again, and I'll gladly go on the road full time promoting Walmart, if Walmart wants to hire me full time? lol. Â Now if we can get Ford to help sponsor us, I wouldn't even have to quit, the promotors could work something out amongst themselves and I'll stay on Ford's payroll??? ;)
I think you'll find in the states, it's the promotional companies working for and in conjunction with the sponsors & the teams that do the shows at various places and or the teams factor the promotional stuff in prior to contract time and have a separate team & equipment just to do this sort of stuff. That's like the Subway car of Carpentier's  or the 26 Crown Royal car that I have seen at different places in Canada. Just like there are separate vendor companies that haul & sell the team wares down south. Both Andrew & Alex had tents up at different vendor areas at some of our races last year selling t-shirts, hats, etc... for their fans.
Don't get me wrong Ernie, I'd like to see more promotional stuff too, I remember when Tony had the vendor trailers, I for one, pressured him on this prior, but when I reflect back, I think it was more of a pain in the butt than anything for him and I doubt if he made any profit? What Zellar's did this year, I thought was good, having Carpentier's 22 diecast for sale. Too bad Walmart didn't have a 7 & 27 car, even a plastic hauler, I would have bought a ton of them? ;)
Ya and there's no reason why Home Hardware & Cdn. Tire don't have diecasts & plastic cars for sale again as well. I even aquired a Giant Tiger car years ago!
I think Beyond Digital Imaging was doing an awesome job getting souvenirs out to the fans. I know I kept pestering them for some of our team stuff, which they did get for us by years end, but what they explained to me too was, they had to get everyone concerned to sign off or whatever on copy rights, etc., etc, before they could go out and make up stuff with our sponsors names on. I"ll bet Evan, it you were to talk with them, you could probably set something up, to sell their stuff on here and make a comission???
Anyway Ernie, it's a complicated affair, but it is doable to a certain extend and is being done somewhat. ;)
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This is why I like this site. Different perspectives, experience related info. Thayne and Auto, great info and obsevations. Thanx for the responses and I will take them to heart.
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Wernham to answer your question if we are racing this year in the NCTS ??
After what it cost in the past I am 99% sure we are done with that crap.
How can I sell a deal to sponsors when I know its the biggest piece of crap out there.
The TV deal sucks, they advertise what we race for and that becomes the biggest joke behind the scene's with Corperate Canada, and we never even see a schedule till the final hour.... Can you blame me for saying this series is a joke...can you blame sponsors for looking at this deal like some type of charity bingo deal.
I think allot of the guys on here like Jason and Auto Asembler are top shelf guys but they need to ask one simple question.
If A&W pulls the plug on Jason...is he going to be part of this deal.
And for Auto Assembler...man if Jacombs didnt have Andrew he would be totally out of racing all together....mark my words...when Andrew leaves, Dave close shop and dont even try to argue that point.
If Dilley cant resign a sponsor..do you really think him and Dave are back ??
Gibbons had the best deal going and he walked away form it so he didnt have to be around when the bottom fell out...
Donny has one more year with Home...when its done - he's done...
J.R. is seeking sponsorship to move on to Trucks or Arca...can you blame him and his Dad for looking elsewhere...
D.J. is only here as long as Castrol is..when ther gone so is D.J.
Mick's is tied by Behond Digital, and thank god because if they were out so would be Micks.
Do you want me to keep going....
and how many cars do you think they will have this year ???
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The Carpentier die cast cars were available in Zeller's because the Canadian Company that holds the Canadian rights to Patrick's merchandise is a wholesaler to Zeller's as well as other retailers. A lot of retailers weren't offered many of Patrick's souvenirs until well after the Montreal race. By then it was too late. As far as other merchandise. It's up to the individual teams to commission items to sell. This is also what I was told when I contacted Motorsports Authentics a year or so ago and asked about NCTS items. Teams can have anything they want made, but sometimes the cost isn't worth it. But kudos to Beyond Digital Imaging for putting some stuff out there. If more NCTS collectibles were available, I'd be more than willing to carry them in my store. I had a brief conversation with BDI at Cayuga Speedway last summer about the products they have to offer but haven't followed up on it yet.
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I just come across this article, it was posted on a US Forum and it could possibly hold true for us up here this year as well. I hope not?
It's regarding NASCAR merchandising in the US feeling the pinch. I was surprised how many haulers Motorsports Authentics has already cut back???
http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/61125 (http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/61125)
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I would say that this article is very accurate. Motorsports Authentics was ahead of the economy decline as far as reducing product volumes and products. They started in this direction in the beginning of 2008. They pretty much had to, they were bleeding money. Anyone who attended a cup race last year probably noticed the smaller number of Souvenir haulers (as well as sponsor displays). MA is planning further production cuts in volumes in 2009. This should actually help the collectibility of some product lines though. New sponsors and product lines hopefully will help. We'll have to see how 2009 plays out.
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I did notice that at michigan this year....
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B.A.R.
I am just curious where you got that information about Jacombs from?
Do you talk to him on a daily basis or even weekly about his race team?
I know guys who go to the shop on a weekly basis and they dont even have information like that.
What's to say that if Andrew wasn't in the car for the 2009 Season that another driver wouldn't race for Jacombs? Like Petey? Or maybe someone else... who knows...
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Finally the best news about NASCAR i've heard in a long time, BAR is finally leaving it. Maybe just maybe there will be less whinning about a series he supposedly supported. I mean come on did we ever hear anything positive come out? As has been pointed out by many drivers/crew members/fans on here on many different threads, all the negative talking is not helping any track/driver/team get the recognition they deserve from sponsors in Corporate Canada. BAR you asked where you as NCTS drivers were getting any respect, well incase you missed it there have been new opportunities provided to some of the Canadian drivers to run in different series in the US ( no need to go through them as we both know who they are) and if you listen to Sirius radio the NASCAR channel has had numerous discussions about the Canadian series and how strong/competitive it was. Also listen to the advertisements for the Toyota All Star shootout, once again you get recognition as the up and coming drivers in the Canadian series.
As for the reduction in haulers at NASCAR events, I was at Michigan the past 2 years for the August race and honestly I saw no decline in the number of locations I could buy my favourite drivers merchandise. In fact I would say that there were more locations and there were tonnes of company's promoting their product in various locations around the track. Yes its too bad that they are having to cut back but they were smart enough to get ahead of the game. And for anyone thinking this is a surprise it shouldn't be since they announced they were cutting back their haulers in like September of last year so the writing was on the wall. But it also doesn't mean they will come back once the economy returns.
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The Carpentier die cast cars were available in Zeller's because the Canadian Company that holds the Canadian rights to Patrick's merchandise is a wholesaler to Zeller's as well as other retailers.
Hey Racenut, I was up at the new Zeller's at Clappison's corners just a couple of days before Christmas and they had a ton of #22 diecasts, and I mean a ton. They had them marked down from $32.00 to $29.00, so I picked one up for myself and I told my wife, that I was going to go back after Christmas and get one for all my grandsons for birthday gifts as we had already bought their Christmas gifts. Because they had so many, I figured they'd mark them down to clear them out. To my surprise they didn't have too many left and they were back up to $32.00 again. I couldn't believe how well they sold! Now I'm hoping that Walmart brings out the #22 Andrew Ranger car for next Christmas. ;)
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https://www.beyond-ordering2.com/StoreFront.ASP?WCI=ProductPage&WCE=linkPrev
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Morgie maybe I wrote it wrong or you didnt get the gest of what I was saying there.
The Walmart deal came with Andrew, and if I am correct Walmart even came on board to sponsor Tag...my point is if Andrew left so would Walmart more then likely...and at that time Dave would pack it in....
Jacombs is not stupid and he knows first hand what it takes to race in the series..
Do you honestly think he would stay if he had no sponsor ?
Your idea of Petey driving the other car is only based on the fact that Andrew is staying on because without Andrew there is no Walmart, thus there is no second car.
I like Dave and have kknown him for a long time...unless you know something that I dont, like the fact that he found Slacks old money tree in the back yard, I dont think Dave is crazy enough to ever try and run this deal out of pocket.
Lets face it...at this level it costs big bucks, and unless you have it to throw away why bother as this series is never going to land you a huge sponsor or a Cup Ride.
Not on Driver in this series has ever been given a ride based on there exposure of running in the NCTS...not one and for argument sakes I will list the 3 drivers that you will more then likely come back with....
D.J.- Made the move from Cascar to run in Hooters Cup, from there went onto Busch to run Randy McDonalds stuff.....D.J. pays his own way with little sponsor money that he found.
J.R.- Won the Cascar Championship in his second year by being a very talented driver with a ton of money behind him, and the best teamate money could buy...Donny
His move to run Trucks, or Arca Cars is only done so on the fact that they have a ton of money, and that is what gets hime seat time, although I still consider him as one of the best drivers in Canada by far.
Donny and Scott- yes were hired to drive in the Busch race at Montreal, but only because they had active Nascar credentials, and the fact that they were told the experance would only last about 5 laps as they start and park cars.
Petey- Came into Cascar like a firecraker and took home Rookie of the year.
Next because of his standout performance in Cascar he was invited to the Roush Gong Show where he finished 6th over all but was kept on to drive because guys like Edwards and Martin saw the talent. Â
Just like J.R. he has great talent and right up there with J.R. except for one thing, they dont have as much money and that is the only reason that he is not down south racing.
If you know of anyone that has been given a ride in Busch, Cup or Trucks that got the ride because of his talent in the NCTS please inform us all, and when I say a ride that means just talent alone..not because he brought sponsor's or his own cash...that takes Andrew out of the picture.... Â Â
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If Dilley cant resign a sponsor..do you really think him and Dave are back ??
Gibbons had the best deal going and he walked away form it so he didnt have to be around when the bottom fell out...
Donny has one more year with Home...when its done - he's done...
J.R. is seeking sponsorship to move on to Trucks or Arca...can you blame him and his Dad for looking elsewhere...
D.J. is only here as long as Castrol is..when ther gone so is D.J.
Mick's is tied by Behond Digital, and thank god because if they were out so would be Micks.
I don't know how many racers CAN afford to keep going on just what's in their pocket...
Look at how many cup teams are dropping out because they've lost their funding... and really, do you blame JR FOR TRYING TO ADVANCE HIS CAREER!??
I hope you've enjoyed your 15 seconds of fame as a local nay-sayer on here.
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I am only stating the facts....
This series, or any other series of this size, cannot survive without sponsorship when the folks that acctually run the deal couldnt give two cents about the teams orthe future of the sport.
As long as Nascar keeps paying out mini stock purses this will never change and you will see less and less teams even trying to make the attempt to compete in the series.
If all of you guys that keep telling me, I am beating up the series, were to wake up and started to see things in my perspective you would all see where I am coming from.
We all understand that Sponsors are very hard to get at any level, and when asking for a half a million you get real use to having the doors clsoe on your face.
Saying that, the only thing that is going to save the NCTS is Nascar themselves.
Cut out the stupid rule changes that cost money, leave the motor program alone, and for once open up you wallets and make the payout enough that teams can at least make an attempt to run on winnings instead of running on debt.
In the next year they are going to loose so many cars because of the cost and the poor payouts...why not make an attempt to fix it now is all I am saying.
Its the worst of two evils really...
The more teams that leave the NCTS the higher the car counts go in OSCAAR, the OSS, and Saturday Night Late Model feilds....
Now that I have said that, ( light bulb went on) just let the series die so we can build our own Canadian Owned series back to what they used to be. Â HellYa !!
You will never hear me every bash the NCTS on here ever again, instead I wish them all the worst of luck so we can get back to Canadian Racing on our terms !!
Sorry for the inconvience over the past year.
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So BAR is not returning to NCaTS because adding spindle teathers and reinforcing the roll cages for safety are stupid rule changes, and possibly going to a $20,000 to $25,000 spec motor that can last an entire season as apposed to a $40,000 built motor is a bad idea because all this money is going into NASCAR's pocket (so he likes everyone to think) well I guess all the black helicopters can be put back in the hanger until he becomes disenchanted with the OSS.....Bye, Bye.
As for the race purses, and this is one for Jason W. to help with.....are the purses not set by the track promotor based on the money they get from the race sponsor? Â According to what I have heard this week on Sirius, the track sends the purse money to NASCAR and all they do is write the cheques to the teams. NASCAR does not 'pay' the purse.
Enjoy the OSS BAR, maybe you can be competative and happy there.
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medic take some time and do the math for what nascar gets from the tracks and series sponsers and then total purse money and see if there is a black hole there.