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Posted by: BIG Don Fan« on: July 14, 2008, 10:01:04 PM »Quote my uncle joe (i'm sure most know who he is) once told me "if you can't afford the safety equiptment, you can't afford to race" this is probably the most truthful thing i've heard about racing. The Million Dollar statement - nice add on - By the way - when you coming to SS for the next visit? Posted by: polishprince12« on: July 14, 2008, 09:36:01 PM »my uncle joe (i'm sure most know who he is) once told me "if you can't afford the safety equiptment, you can't afford to race" this is probably the most truthful thing i've heard about racing.
Posted by: Thunder6« on: July 14, 2008, 03:06:20 PM »Funny thing is Marcisfan, I had a Street Stock in '94 or so (bought it from Dave Melson, who is running his final season this year at Barrie) and it was a well built car, but light years away from the TC we run now. Not even close. Bucket seat, old Chevy rallye rims, gutted doors but that was about it, 305 4bbl... Funny how 14 years can change the sport.
I think the first year of JYD there was no roll bar req'd at all. I helped a friend with building his car. I think we got in trouble for knocking the windows out like that, because the glass would pile in the bottom of the door, and when the door split open at the bottom all of the glass would fly out on the track. I think the rules were 1. Remove the glass 2. Use a marine fuel tank in the trunk. Incredible now, but that's how it was back then. Posted by: Peanut Butter« on: July 14, 2008, 03:04:52 PM »Thunder6: I agree. Your recommendations are just about the same as Barrie's Division. No racing seats or front hoops allowed in the Four Fun's at Sunset. We will have to see if Wes will change things for next year.
Posted by: Thunder6« on: July 14, 2008, 02:49:44 PM »Peanut Butter, while I appreciate that people need a place to start, and most racers never have enough money, doesn't matter whether you are racing 4 cylinders or Super Lates
 The brutal reality is that I would try to make my car as safe as possible. A decent cage kit for your car is $385 from CSC. That one has front hoops which I would highly recommend. A less complex cage kit is available for $231. Plus welding, if you don't have the skill or equipment. You should buy the best helmet and firesuit you can afford. Even a SFI 3.2/A5 suit is only rated for 9 seconds in a fire. My suit cost a lot of money but it is well worth it. You don't want to ever have to deal with burn injuries. I do not know the rules for the class, but a fuel cell and a proper aluminum racing seat are awful good ideas too. Just friendly recommendations for you and others who are just starting out. Posted by: marcisfan« on: July 14, 2008, 02:46:07 PM »
Even into the 90's. I had a street stock in '92. the cage on the drivers door was rebar and we just threw the gas tank in the trunk. I don't even know how secure it was back there. I do remember the tech guy shaking his head and telling us to make sure we finished painting it by the next week. Posted by: Peanut Butter« on: July 14, 2008, 02:19:56 PM »Thunder6 I agree, this is my first year racing and I am in four fun for 2 reason. 1. I am new and trying to get the feel of a car and the track. 2. it is cheap.
I spent about $800. to buy and build the car. I wanted the roll cage but did not want to sink the extra $700 into it. With that said my car did have a beefed up centre support with an extra bar. If roll cages were mandatory I would have had to spend the extra $. In any case I think all drivers need a place to start. It just would not be safe for someone to just jump into a 4 cyl RR or a Thunder car without knowing anything about how to handle a car or navigate one around the track. Posted by: Thunder6« on: July 14, 2008, 01:56:43 PM »If you allow racers to skip safety stuff, a lot of them will. It's the wrong attitude but unless you tell some people that safety items are mandatory, they won't do it. The thing about it is even if you have the safest car, you are likely to get involved with the most dangerous (worst engineered) car on the track.
I think the idea was for people to get the taste of racing, and then move up to the roadrunner class, but if people are staying in that class because they can race cheap, with no safety items and are getting the cars going as fast as the regular 4 cyl class that is not good. Don't get me wrong, Barrie used to have the JYD (Junk Yard Dog) class. Those cars you just rolled the windows down near the bottom and then smacked the glass with a hammer. Take it out and race. But that was also like 1986 or something... All just my opinion of course and not intended to offend four fun people. Posted by: Peanut Butter« on: July 14, 2008, 01:34:38 PM »Sounds like it might be a good way of doing things, At sunset I have seen a caution on the 3rd lap. After the restart , it took the leader just 6 laps to catch the back runners and when the checkered was waived he had passed a few.
Posted by: daisygirl818« on: July 14, 2008, 01:33:48 PM »Ok. thanks for clarifying guys for us who don't know.
Posted by: Thunder6« on: July 14, 2008, 01:29:51 PM »okay so when you learn in chargers you move up to purestocks? If I am reading that correctly. Yes, you can start in Chargers and then move up to P/S. The cars are all the same rules. In fact some of the Charger drivers last year ran with the P/S cars in their races as well. I don't think this is possible anymore. (Maybe I'm wrong about this) I believe the champion from Chargers has to move up, There was some talk about having the top 3 move up. I believe all of the top 3 moved up to P/S anyways for this year. (Monette, Crumbie Sr, Casey) and Steeve Melson (4th) is not driving 4 cylinders anymore. I think that if you win 3 in a row in Charger then you would be asked to move up. I don't believe this is written anywhere but if you dominate the class you would be pushed up. Posted by: Thayne« on: July 14, 2008, 01:24:27 PM »yea...basically if u are dominating u move up...
They look at lap times and all that and make a judgement call on it. Posted by: daisygirl818« on: July 14, 2008, 01:04:25 PM »okay so when you learn in chargers you move up to purestocks? If I am reading that correctly.
Posted by: Peanut Butter« on: July 14, 2008, 01:01:31 PM »Hi guys....just my own opinion here but I think first and foremost..the four fun cars need to be brought to standards for safety reasons. I hate to say it but it's a serious accident out there just waiting to happen and god forbid something happens to seriously hurt someone or even kill them before you people understand. Yes it's an excellent entry level but mandatory should be roll cages and fire suits. From Barriespeedway's website The Pure Stock division started in 2001 as the entry level class at Barrie Speedway and was designed to introduce new racers to the sport. For Pure Stocks, the emphasis was always on fun and safety, while keeping costs and complexity to a minimum. Over the years, the division has grown immensely in both the car count and the talent level. In 2007, the division was split with the introduction of the "Charger" class. The Chargers are now the official entry level class, with the more seasoned and competitive drivers moving up to the Pure Stock division. New drivers, or drivers who simply want to get out and have fun, run in the Charger class. Chargers and Pure Stock race cars are identical. Both divisions are open to any 4-cylinder car, domestic or import. Front or rear wheel drives cars are allowed, with engines no larger than 2500cc. Rear and mid-engine cars are not allowed. Roll cages are mandatory. The divisions share a common rule book. Posted by: Slammer« on: July 14, 2008, 01:01:11 PM »I always thought that anybody in that class that finished say.....top 5 each year should have to move up, would only make sense. I am not sure how Barrie does it. I think it may just be at their discretion.
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