Author Topic: Constructive Considerations for the 2012 season...Ideas anybody? (Read 15211 times)

jworacing · « **on:** September 17, 2011, 10:36:23 AM »

Tires can be an issue for keeping a cap on the economy of a series, if you believe this to be than is a tire inventory rule the way to go?. I know Mike McColl wouldn't appreciate it, but maybe it is time for a tire inventory rule modeled after the late model teams.
I know some SS teams go to to the track during the week to scuff in multiple sets of tires and this advantage is not open to everyone because we don't have a practice night open to everyone. I think this is a short sight the Delaware Speedway Officials perhaps as a suggestion need to address for 2012. In my mind it can be very intimidating for a "Newbie" to come out and try a track on a full on "race night". Our numbers per division are not swelling and I fear we might not see anymore growth if we don't react. "If we all choose to do nothing, then we all have agreed nothing will get done"
Allot things can be looked at to help keep things strong and maybe encourage some growth, but if we say "nah we tried that" or "this is the way we always do it" we might miss something good and positive. Remember the old way may not necessarily be bad, the new might just be a bit better!!!
K I'm going outside to work on my Pumpkin Smasher Cavalier because I'm going to do my damn-est to race before I'm too big to get into a car through the window.

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CanadianRacingOnline.com · « **on:** September 17, 2011, 10:36:23 AM »

Racing Habits · « **Reply #1 on:** September 17, 2011, 11:33:28 AM »

Get a second job over the winter ....become a Fuller Brush saleman and your own sponsor !!!!

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2fast4u · « **Reply #2 on:** September 17, 2011, 11:59:16 AM »

Well this is not a new thing; there is always teams that have more money then others. It's not their fault. They can buy more tires or more parts. This has been going on for the 20 years that I have been going to Delaware. This stuff goes on at all levels of racing: those who have more money go far and those that don't get left behind !!! This might not be a good thing but it's the way it is. You could be the most skilled driver but without the money or the sponsor, you will not go far. This is a dollars sport . So some times u get guys with money in good cars that can't drive and then you get good drivers and money winning all the time. It's not their fault. How do we fix this not sure !!

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CanadianRacingOnline.com · « **Reply #2 on:** September 17, 2011, 11:59:16 AM »

smokinjoe00 · « **Reply #3 on:** September 17, 2011, 12:12:22 PM »

the towel city recap tire that we run will help

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MARCH · « **Reply #4 on:** September 17, 2011, 12:26:07 PM »

Quote from: 2fast4u on September 17, 2011, 11:59:16 AM

Well this is not a new thing; there is always teams that have more money then others. It's not their fault. They can buy more tires or more parts. This has been going on for the 20 years that I have been going to Delaware. This stuff goes on at all levels of racing: those who have more money go far and those that don't get left behind !!! This might not be a good thing but it's the way it is. You could be the most skilled driver but without the money or the sponsor, you will not go far. This is a dollars sport . So some times u get guys with money in good cars that can't drive and then you get good drivers and money winning all the time. It's not their fault. How do we fix this not sure !!

that will never change ....all classes bottom to the top...

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Racing Habits · « **Reply #5 on:** September 17, 2011, 01:23:38 PM »

Quote from: MARCH on September 17, 2011, 12:26:07 PM

Quote from: 2fast4u on September 17, 2011, 11:59:16 AM
Well this is not a new thing; there is always teams that have more money then others. It's not their fault. They can buy more tires or more parts. This has been going on for the 20 years that I have been going to Delaware. This stuff goes on at all levels of racing: those who have more money go far and those that don't get left behind !!! This might not be a good thing but it's the way it is. You could be the most skilled driver but without the money or the sponsor, you will not go far. This is a dollars sport . So some times u get guys with money in good cars that can't drive and then you get good drivers and money winning all the time. It's not their fault. How do we fix this not sure !!

that will never change ....all classes bottom to the top...

Much of this is true. Desire and ambition is also part of it in any case how far you go. Those who succeed to reasonable degrees do not forget, and take pride in where they came from.
In reality to those guys, no one is left behind, stories a many . Local tracks is where it all begins and always will be.

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streetstocker33 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 17, 2011, 08:06:05 PM »

Quote from: 2fast4u on September 17, 2011, 11:59:16 AM

Well this is not a new thing; there is always teams that have more money then others. It's not their fault. They can buy more tires or more parts. This has been going on for the 20 years that I have been going to Delaware. This stuff goes on at all levels of racing: those who have more money go far and those that don't get left behind !!! This might not be a good thing but it's the way it is. You could be the most skilled driver but without the money or the sponsor, you will not go far. This is a dollars sport . So some times u get guys with money in good cars that can't drive and then you get good drivers and money winning all the time. It's not their fault. How do we fix this not sure !!

I would agree to a point, but the cost at the lower levels is getting way out of hand just to be in the ball park, the worse it gets, the less new guys there will be coming into the sport, and it will drive current teams out. There's always going to be the haves and the have nots, but there needs to be some sanity to the spending.

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240racer · « **Reply #7 on:** September 17, 2011, 08:16:03 PM »

Agreed

My stock 140hp Nissan 240 (championship car in 2009) got bloooown past down the straight away this year by "stock" 90hp Mustangs on $300 tires. Track official agreed the rules werent being enforced, but if they did, they would drive cars away...

So we left instead

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streetstocker33 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 17, 2011, 08:18:58 PM »

Quote from: 240racer on September 17, 2011, 08:16:03 PM

Agreed

My stock 140hp Nissan 240 (championship car in 2009) got bloooown past down the straight away this year by "stock" 90hp Mustangs on $300 tires. Track official agreed the rules werent being enforced, but if they did, they would drive cars away...

So we left instead

yup, don't want to drive the cheaters away LOL seems like the attitude at Delaware to, stupid little money fines and minor points fines, only one real DQ this year....sssssssuuuuuper lame, keep the cheating hacks happy, drive out the guys that run honest.

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jworacing · « **Reply #9 on:** September 18, 2011, 01:29:49 PM »

I asked you guys to be constructive...Please! We all know what needs fixing so do we ask to get it fixed? or do we complain about what was wrong with this season that is now in the books? We need to look to the past not relive it. As far as those retreads go I would like to run a test session on those, I heard quite a bit of complaining about them. And secondly will you need to purchase 8" rims?, which would add to the cost! The other suggestion was a comprehensive list of allowed parts by part number, This would allow the part shops to perhaps reduce costs of inventory and pass it along. Just a thought

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jworacing · « **Reply #10 on:** September 23, 2011, 07:46:04 PM »

According to A.J. Moore, competition director of Lake Erie Speedway, crate racing has been a success this year. Last year the track’s late model class was half “built” racing engines and the other half crates. Crate racing engines performed well enough that this year there were only 7 “built” engines out of 30 or so regular entries. Moore says that only one built engine won a race this year, too. In part, those numbers are attributed to racers who have sold their built engines to purchase a crate, but also because there are rules that contain the performance of a built engine so it is equal to the crate engines

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disturber · « **Reply #11 on:** September 23, 2011, 08:31:26 PM »

Quote from: jworacing on September 23, 2011, 07:46:04 PM

but also because there are rules that contain the performance of a built engine so it is equal to the crate engines

ya, just do like Flamboro thunders do, make the builts run parts that can't possibly keep up, then the crates rule. (works especially well if one of the main sponsors is a crate supplier). you can tell all the builts, they are getting lapped every 10 laps

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jworacing · « **Reply #12 on:** September 24, 2011, 10:19:22 AM »

Well we ran a built there for our first year and we didn't get lapped until about 6 races in then we started to loose 2 valve guides cause the engine shop buggered my heads. Needless t osay the sponsor who sent my heads didn't pay, when the engine builder show up and I grabbed him by the throat he changed hi tune pretty quick when I told him was gunna eat the carbon build-up his monkeys left in the ports. I had stuck these "rebuildt" heads on my $4000 dollar Rudy Held short block. And you think I wanna play that game?

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Jared_D · « **Reply #13 on:** September 24, 2011, 03:10:59 PM »

Double file restarts. Leader chooses what line

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jworacing · « **Reply #14 on:** September 25, 2011, 08:43:33 AM »

Forcing built motors to run say, a 390 CFM carb spacer plate would choke them with current technology and all it would do is force yet another round of R&D by engine builders passing on those costs to the racer. It also has the potential to burn up the engine faster. This is because the racer / builder will have to learn a new fuel curve to get the engine to run to its potential and as mentioned, may require experimentation with camshaft profiles.

Hmm I'm not sure with over 50 years of the SBC being around any yocal is going to discover anything. And passing the smoke and mirrors on to the customer is what lead to the crate engine being so prominent.
You will never convince that built motors are the way to go and you are forgetting the biggest point of all. THEY FAIL AND DIE at an astronomical rate. Oh yah the engine builder will be bugging the hell out of you to "freshen it" every season or saying "you know you bring it back and we can get a few more ponies out of it". Too funny.
Lets be serious folks we need to add to the number of participants with an economically sound rules platform. Three or four fast cars with LM budgets will not do anything for the class.

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