Author Topic: villeneuve to bill davis--is this the right thing? (Read 6088 times)

hill3 · « **on:** August 25, 2007, 02:27:11 PM »

while it is great to see a "canadain" getting a legit shot my concern is should one of the very few seats available go to a pen wheel guy. nothing against the big V loved his father and him always cheered but why not a canadain STOCK CAR driver,anyhow i will wish V all the luck in the world do us proud.

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CanadianRacingOnline.com · « **on:** August 25, 2007, 02:27:11 PM »

Thayne · « **Reply #1 on:** August 25, 2007, 02:48:58 PM »

I think it is fine....you ahve to do whats best for your business and Villeneuve has won the most vovetted championship for racing in the world...he has an incredible talent and should be awarded for it...hopefully his arrogance will reside a bit and he will be like the other drivers....

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hill3 · « **Reply #2 on:** August 25, 2007, 03:59:57 PM »

barrie i am not saying he doesn't deserve it my point is is there not a stock car driver out the in Canada who does ie either white out of bc, or dowler or nichol in alta or shirley form sask numerous drivers from ont. is the only thing canada can produce an open wheel star? ps it ain't arrogance or cocky if you can back it up, he has.pss what the he** is vovetted mean, a new eastern slang???

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CanadianRacingOnline.com · « **Reply #2 on:** August 25, 2007, 03:59:57 PM »

Thayne · « **Reply #3 on:** August 25, 2007, 04:53:18 PM »

Sorry Hill3

Covetted is what I meant.

I didn't mean it to sound like that, i just think that he is a better racer, period, than any of those other "stock car" drivers. The only one I would say is an exception is JR Fitzpatrick as he is young enough to mold and to put some money behind....carpentier will be the next big name canadian to sign on full time i think...and out french open wheel talent is as good as any country....thats y imo we have so many open wehel guys getting a shot.

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hill3 · « **Reply #4 on:** August 25, 2007, 05:12:36 PM »

i think it has more to do with the money a name can bring not talent,this is to bad nascar will turn into f1 if it continues down this path. V demands $$$ that davis can use. and i'd bet a crate motor to a bent basset rim that you scratch hard enough there is a connection between carp. and gillette. just a thought,i also believe there was a second shooter on the grassy knoll too. could not resist the coveted shot thu.

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Thayne · « **Reply #5 on:** August 25, 2007, 05:21:39 PM »

Thats true...sponsorship means more these days than talent. If i driver has a sponsor then they will boot another, just like Petey had done to him in the truck series this year. Its an unfortunate part of the business. carpentier did pretty well though....so even if there is the gillette connection, he still proved that he belonged.

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marcisfan · « **Reply #6 on:** August 25, 2007, 09:33:05 PM »

Quote from: hill3 on August 25, 2007, 05:12:36 PM

i think it has more to do with the money a name can bring not talent,this is to bad nascar will turn into f1 if it continues down this path. V demands $$$ that davis can use. and i'd bet a crate motor to a bent basset rim that you scratch hard enough there is a connection between carp. and gillette. just a thought,i also believe there was a second shooter on the grassy knoll too. could not resist the coveted shot thu.

Are you saying that Villeneuve doesn't have talent? How about coming from two penalty laps down to win the Indy 505 in 1995 (and I am not talking "lucky dog" laps). He was one of the most dominant open wheel drivers in the world during the 90's. As far as NASCAR turning into F1, considering HALF of the previous 12 NASCAR championships were won by guys who learned their craft in cars without fenders (Gordon & Stewart), plus with how well Montoya is performing this year (top 20 with 1 win and top rookie), it seems to me that it has more to do with brining the most talented drivers to NASCAR, not just about sponsorship money.

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hill3 · « **Reply #7 on:** August 29, 2007, 09:41:57 PM »

where did i say that villeneuve had no talent, my point was there are a ton of stock car racers will a lot of talent who will not get this chance because they do not come with a up side to marketing. as for gordon as much as a despise the man he can plain flat out drive,stewart almost as good but his open wheel success came in a watered down irl. for every open wheel racer eg you have there are ten stock car drivers who did not get that shot because of a open wheeler coming with a marketing program. this is exactly what f1 does and it works so well.........or does it.

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Thayne · « **Reply #8 on:** August 31, 2007, 10:39:53 AM »

Quote from: hill3 on August 29, 2007, 09:41:57 PM

where did i say that villeneuve had no talent, my point was there are a ton of stock car racers will a lot of talent who will not get this chance because they do not come with a up side to marketing. as for gordon as much as a despise the man he can plain flat out drive,stewart almost as good but his open wheel success came in a watered down irl. for every open wheel racer eg you have there are ten stock car drivers who did not get that shot because of a open wheeler coming with a marketing program. this is exactly what f1 does and it works so well.........or does it.

I guesse being called the greatest midget driver ever was when he was racing a watered down midget field too...Tony Stewart is the best driver in North America right now....

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Thunder6 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 31, 2007, 10:59:03 AM »

I always thought Ron Fellows should have had a shot at Cup years ago... Both Jacques and his father, amazing drivers, and Canadian to boot. Good Nascar drivers don't necessarily have to come from the Southern US. Some of my favorite drivers drove everything well, and that just shows how great of a driver you are. Some people cannot transfer the skills from car to car to car. Some do well in one type and not as well in others. The ones who win in everything they drive are usually the ones I like... Mark Donohue (duh... just a little obvious), Villeneuve, Ron Fellows, Earnhardt Sr, even Rusty did well on road courses. Balanced drivers who can pick up a new car very quickly.

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hill3 · « **Reply #10 on:** August 31, 2007, 11:37:54 AM »

barrie 97 as much as it pains me to say this when tony has four championships and sits atop the points to win his fifth and when he hops into a f1 car and performs like gordon then i will call him the best in North america. as a old school fan i do not cheer for gordon never have never will but he is flat out the best talent around. being a triple crown winner is awesome in its own right but others have also done it. my point still is the best ride in the show goes to who can bring you sponsor $. talent is not the only priority.

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Thayne · « **Reply #11 on:** August 31, 2007, 12:08:51 PM »

Quote from: hill3 on August 31, 2007, 11:37:54 AM

barrie 97 as much as it pains me to say this when tony has four championships and sits atop the points to win his fifth and when he hops into a f1 car and performs like gordon then i will call him the best in North america. as a old school fan i do not cheer for gordon never have never will but he is flat out the best talent around. being a triple crown winner is awesome in its own right but others have also done it. my point still is the best ride in the show goes to who can bring you sponsor $. talent is not the only priority.

i agree Gordon is very good. But i think that IROC is really the tell tale thing here. Equally prepared cars and noone has anything for Tony....jmo

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hill3 · « **Reply #12 on:** August 31, 2007, 01:56:38 PM »

duh mark martin!!!

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Thayne · « **Reply #13 on:** August 31, 2007, 02:34:02 PM »

Quote from: hill3 on August 31, 2007, 01:56:38 PM

duh mark martin!!!

Yea, but martin can;t run dirt like Tony, which puts him way above Mark..lol

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OSCAARfan_SLM · « **Reply #14 on:** August 31, 2007, 05:50:09 PM »

are we talking jeff or robby? robby gordon is a hell of a road racer i dont know about ovals though, we say a good driver can drive anything anywhere...

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