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Carpentier released today by GEM
« on: October 07, 2008, 08:31:56 PM »
From Inside Track News:

STATESVILLE, N.C. – Gillett Evernham Motorsports announced today that Mike Wallace will drive the No. 10 Dodge at Charlotte this weekend and A.J. Allmendinger will take over driving duties at Martinsville on Oct. 19 and for the remainder of the 2008 NASCAR Sprint Cup season. Wallace and Allmendinger replace Patrick Carpentier who drove the No. 10 in 24 races this season

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Carpentier released today by GEM
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Re: Carpentier released today by GEM
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2008, 08:42:16 PM »
that suxs big time hopefully someone will give him a decent ride but i doubt it to old

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Re: Carpentier released today by GEM
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2008, 08:59:03 PM »
Hope they fail to make every race for the rest of the season. They really hung him out to dry. Why did they not wait 'til the end of the season? Maybe Ray should stop courtin' the youngins' and concentrate on his race team.

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Re: Carpentier released today by GEM
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2008, 09:13:47 PM »
When are you all going to realize that just about- no one- gets a ride based on talent anymore.  Ray gave Patrick a shot to prove himself, and I will guarantee that Ray was impressed with Patrick, but, it takes allot of money to make a race team, and if the driver doesn't have at least a Five Million dollar coming on board as well, he is out of work !!

Some of the very best talents in Racing will never see the inside of a Cup Car because of this issue, but that is the nature of the beast.
Maybe Patrick can put together a big enough sponsor that he can return to open wheel, but again, its the same deal there....no money...no ride !!

All of these deals where you see a Driver get a shot out of the blue is usually followed by the statement, Joe Blow will be in the #55 car for Seabass Racing along with Sponsorship for 4 races from Tarjet Stores.  As soon as the 4 races are over- so is Joe Blow !!

The only other way around it is to buy your own Team and Sponsor, and race till you run out of money, but even that has an expiry date on the label.

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Re: Carpentier released today by GEM
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2008, 09:27:40 PM »
B.A.R. I totally understand why Pat is out of the car at the end of the season but why replace him now, with drivers who I feel, have less of a chance to make the show? Both Allmendinger and especially Wallace will definately race better but they have to make the show first. Again, why take Pat out now?

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Re: Carpentier released today by GEM
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2008, 09:44:16 PM »
Wallace has a pretty stout Insurance sponsorship deal.... that puts him in for sure !
Allmendinger now free of Red Bull, will be announcing his new sponsorship for 2009 and is using the car as part of the launch. 
I just figured out his last name.... it's dirty ....

all  men  ding  er.....    kidding !!

Putting new Drivers in now is a really smart thing to do as you can see their talents in the real workspace and judge their abilities for future.

In short, its easier and cheaper to test a Driver now then to wait until Daytona or absorb the cost of private testing, which is a mess to control when Nascar has the say on what dates and tracks are eligible for testing. 

Either way, again its back to money, and in this case it actually works out for a win-win situation for both the Team and the Driver.


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Re: Carpentier released today by GEM
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2008, 10:11:06 PM »
I thought that ride was Sorensons next year so why do they need to audition these two. Didn't know Evernham was going to a four car team. I think he should get his team up to speed before he gets to the size of the big teams. Four cars too soon at DEI didn't do them any favors.

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Re: Carpentier released today by GEM
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2008, 10:23:04 PM »
Carp had it out with his crew chief after qualifying last weekend, it's all on his website, perhaps had something to do with it???

There's been talk of a full time ride in the Nationwide Series next year, and perhaps a Cup ride with the Wood Bros.???

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Re: Carpentier released today by GEM
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2008, 12:42:52 AM »
In regards to Evernham going to 4 teams, the comments on sirius prior to Patrick being released was they wanted to go to 4 teams assuming they could find sponsorship.  There has been no confirmation on what number Reed is going to drive next year.  I wonder if that's cause they are worried he won't be able to make the field on his own in the first 5 races next year so they'll do a flip the numbers with Elliott most likely so that Reed is locked in and Elliott has to race his way in.  Prior to the weekend the 4th car was Patrick's if the found sponsors for it.

Wallace's Geico sponsorship is moving up to full time cup next year so he is out of a sponsor on his nationwide car next year.  So I don't think that is how Mike got the car for this weekend.

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Re: Carpentier released today by GEM
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2008, 04:09:42 PM »
Mike got it due to talent, and A.J due to talent. Yes, I kno that Patrick has talent, though look at both of these drivers. Mike is a proven vetran while A.J has had some good runs - therefore that equals why, fair or not. I definately think it's fair as the deal was for Patrick to run till the end of the year - well, looks like they broke off that deal. Also, they did say they'd keep Patrick if they could find sponsorship but I guess since that's not working at they want then he's old news to them. Though it's not fair once again as how can they find sponsorship if he isn't in the car? Why not give him a chance to get a good run or two to get that sponsorship?

Though we're only be in this situation with AJ due to what Red Bull Racing has done with Scott Speed in the #84 car for next year. Personally, that is blown right out of its roots as Scott hasn't even had a full year in the Nationwide Series and should have a full year before going up to Cup. Just 'cause he's Mr. ARCA King righ now doesn't mean anything when you get up to Cup - we've seen Nationwide Champs not do well in Cup. And anyways, how could they even begin over there to kick AJ out when he's been qualifying for races, has the car in the top 35 and has had some good runs? Sure, Brian has definately been better in spots thou you gotta give AJ credit for being a second-year driver at a team that wasn't strong at all last year.

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Re: Carpentier released today by GEM
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2008, 04:38:24 PM »
Based on that though ladybug you would then say that "the next best thing" Joey Lagano should also not be running the #20 car next year in the Sprint Cup series because the only full season he has run was I believe last year in the Camping World East division.  Otherwise they have pushed him through each other division.  I for one think the only way he does well next year is because he is in such a solid car with Gibbs.  Look at his results this year so far in the few events he's run on the cup side in the equipment he's in the results are not there.  Just like Patrick running in 2nd grade equipment and running as decently as he could.  Maybe if Dodge gave them a real engine to run he wouldn't have been fighting to qualify at the super speedways like he did this year.

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Re: Carpentier released today by GEM
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2008, 05:11:02 PM »
put patty in that 25 car!...just saying....cars mean alot!

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Re: Carpentier released today by GEM
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2008, 05:25:25 PM »
"We certainly appreciate all the effort that Patrick Carpentier made for us this year," Mark McArdle, GEM's vice president and managing director of competition, said in a statement released Tuesday. "But our job is to put ourselves in a position to win races, plus we're striving to get the No. 10 into the top 35 in [owner] points. We feel A.J. gives us the best chance to do both."

The No. 10 is currently 338 points out of 35th place in the owner standings.

Are you kidding me???? aj can't drive his hands down his pants, but he is going to make up 338 points and win a race? lmao

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Re: Carpentier released today by GEM
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2008, 06:24:40 PM »
DWfan4ever, what I mean is that we've seen Joey Lagono's talent in Nationwide with how he ran while meanwhile we haven't seen anything in Nationwide with Scott Speed. That's what I meant by those words. And yes, equipment is a lot to do with it - we've seen evidence of that in a lot of cases. That's why sometimes you have to look at the quality of car compared to the driver, so Thayne your suggestion is definately one to consider. That's why the entire blitz of is it car or is it casey with the #25 at HMS righ now is one to definately look at next year as a lot of people say Casey isn't getting fairly treated, while meanwhile others are saying that Casey doesn't have talent. Therefore with Mark in that car next year and proven talent, it'll showcase the truth of the car. Though if Mark struggles, well then story settled. And that also works with Casey at RCR and if he runs well.

Dodgeguy14, if they're 338 pts out they're not gettin in as that's a little too much, although anything can happen and they're not mathimatically out ;) - thou win a race? Possibly as AJ did get close a couple of times in the 84.

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Re: Carpentier released today by GEM
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2008, 07:28:47 PM »
Lets do the side step and measure things up...

Patrick- is a racer, and come's from open wheel with allot of talent and can get the job done, but, he is Canadian and finding Sponsorship proceeds in a USA based Series is very unlikely to ever happen.
BEST CASE- Patrick gets a Nationwide ride and finds a Sponsor that works on a International level- showcases his talent and crosses his fingers for a Cup Ride.
MY THINKING- Patrick needs to try and find a Sponsor that wants Patrick and not the Series. Get your butt back into Open Wheel where you belong, and where you can be regarded as one of the better drivers.

A.J.Allmendinger- is fast- will drive hard- and see's no boundary points in racing at any level. He is very cocky and runs with that Gordon attitude that his shit don't stink...and I mean the other Gordon- Not the one that can really drive in the 24 car.
BEST CASE- A.J. learns that he has to control his mouth and learns to work with his team, and by doing so wins allot of races as he does have the talent to do so.
Sponsors love the guy- so money is not an issue here.
MY THINKING- I would lean more towards this young - top gun- as a driver to lead my team to victory lane over allot of Drivers, but he does need to control himself on and off the track.

Mike Wallace- Great Racer with allot of patience, but has to follow in his brothers foot steps...not the yacky one..the one that can actually drive and win races.
As a Driver he is what you would want as a Team Representative.
Clean Cut- Good Looking- Well Spoken- Great Feedback- Can dial in a Car- Can run up front- Is more likely to wreck trying then trying to wreck- and best yet- is a Wallace !!
BEST CASE- Gieco follows Mike to Cup and gets a good couple o9f years out of the ride.
Mike is not a young gun so he doesn't expect to be here in 5 years from now- but NOW really matters to this guy.
MY THINKING- If I had to pick one of the three- Wallace is my man.
He will run hard- keep equipment in shape- work with others- and is respected in any Garage at any level of Motorsports.

Evernham Gillette- Ray had the ride of his life with Jeff Gordon, and visaversa.
Both Men experienced winning better then most and have never been able to accomplish that level of stature ever since they parted ways.
Ray went on his own and did so by bringing Dodge back to Cup style racing and has been very successful at that venture, but has yet to provide the evidence of that once bright moment in his racing career.
BEST CASE- Ray finds another Gordon and molds him to be his driver- win races and dominate's a Championship.
Evernham has more talent in his back pocket then 99% of the entire cup field and needs an opportunity to show case it.
MY THINKING- Most of the Power House Teams are peaked out.
Hendricks is capped with a stellar Driver load and next year, attitudes will bring down this team as everyone trys to figure out who is the leader.
Roush, Ganassi, and Penske will stay intact and aggressive, but Driver jumping has not even started to play a role in their programs....yet !!
DEI is not a threat at all- to anyone- but could become a great purchase program for Evernham and Gillette as DEI's value continuously sores to the basement.
Rumor- Maybe...but every week for the past month DEI has had Auctions selling off a ton of GM stuff....keeping everything that is useable to startup under a differnt logo !!
Can Ray build a 4 car team... YES- once the purchase is finalized and DEI becomes GEM.
           

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