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Canadian Oval / Road Racing => Canadian Tracks => Sunset Speedway => Topic started by: luggss on August 18, 2008, 10:53:22 PM
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We can no longer run as of this coming Sat the 23.
Unless we have a full rollcage, racin seat with mounts, and a firesuit.
Good luck to the 3 out of 38 of u that have that.
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when did this come in affect????? pretty pointless division then if you ask me!!! thank god for wes good and his terrific decisions! plane and simple decisions like this is what is goin to make short track racing in canada die! i applaude you mr. good
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Oh and i forgot the fuel cell. I was told about 1 hr ago by a staff member. He asked them to spread the word ??? ??? ??? They don't even have the decency to call us them selves. I hope we get r registration money back.
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i would say at the least!!!!!!!! i can understand it is not a very safe class, and some of the drivers are defitnily weapons. but i mean come on at least notify people for the 2009 season! he wnats his track run into the ground then so be it! barrie speedway is only another twenty minutes
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when did this come in affect????? pretty pointless division then if you ask me!!! thank god for wes good and his terrific decisions! plane and simple decisions like this is what is goin to make short track racing in canada die! i applaude you mr. good
Nothing will make short track racing die quicker than someone dieing....
That upset, why not ride your bicycle the wrong way down the 400 if a thrill is what you need.
Not to mention, if there was a fire, or someone in Innisfil had a heart attack, or another 911 call and all the fire department was at that track, that would be the end of it... Newpaper headline "Local resident DIES because of lack of safety at Sunset Speedway"
There wasn't a choice..
And to put my money where my mouth is, my offer is still open for anyone who need to use a welder...
Before you head up to Barrie, read rule 23 ROLL BARS/CAGE
Full roll cage with minimum 3 door bars on driver’s side and two door bars on passenger’s side are mandatory
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okay now go back to the website and go to FOUR FUN, which we are talkin about first off there are not even 23 rules, and it says full cage optional! thank you! barrie speedway twenty minutes up the road
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Hey urslow,he means read the BARRIE rules,#23.
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okay now go back to the website and go to FOUR FUN, which we are talkin about first off there are not even 23 rules, and it says full cage optional! thank you! barrie speedway twenty minutes up the road
Either you are drunk, or I'm so stupid that I can't read.... Think you are reading sunset's rules friend...
Barrie dosn't have 4-funs, they have "charger" and "Pure Stock". Rule 23 was from the tech section, the rules for both.
To quote the website.. "The Chargers are now the official entry level class, with the more seasoned and competitive drivers moving up to the Pure Stock division. New drivers, or drivers who simply want to get out and have fun, run in the Charger class." and "Chargers and Pure Stock race cars are identical"
You might be thinking of Peterborough which does have a 4-fun class. But by the time you spend 80 bucks on gas getting there and back, shouldn't you just put a cage in your car?
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I'm actually really pissed he's pretty much giving us FOUR DAYS.
I for one, don't have a trailor, and I work nights, therefore I won't be up on Wednesday to even get my car let alone find somebody who will be nice enough to put the cage in for me. I don't have that kind of money to just throw away at the moment.
Like I mentioned before, I didn't want to be spending this kind of money for something that I have a month left in running.
He's apparently concerned about one of us being killed.
Where was this thought when he made us run backwards without any of this saftey equipment... and then he wonders why half the class pulled off in protest....
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Well put Ash. We as drivers knew the rules and what the dangers are and we still get out there and race. according to what the rules were when we signed up. To change the rules this close to the end of the season SUCKS.
And I'm really biting my tongue
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well..I agree the rules need to be changed...but this short of notise is redicious.
I'd say end of the season...or atleast give a couple of weeks.
rules need to be changed..and this is the right step to be taken..but such short notise is very un-fair
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Well he told us all those things were optional a few weeks ago, and would begin to be manditory for the 09 season. And now with FOUR DAYS he's going to expect us all to be ready...
Honestly I don't object to all those things being needed, but FOUR DAYS?!?! I don't think so!!
Oh, I am biting my tongue too. It's the Italian temper in me that wants to lash out and say many many many angry things.
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Oh and in case anyone thinks i haven't been in a wreck, I have. I was intentionally spun into the wall by Steve Rose #01 and was knocked out for 30-60 secs they tell me. Thanks to the infield guys helping fix my car i was able to get out 1hr or so later and win my heat.
Steve told my buddy he just wanted a good finish cause his Family was there ??? ::).
I think the guys is a goof but i don't want revenge on the track nor will i ever. Sat was my second night in my new car. And i was involved with the 69 who was trying to roll over my car. My safety stuff is now new ( Belts and Net) but i have changed nothing else to my cars. Ive been in 7 demo derby's and i still feel safer on the track with the bare minimum pertaining to the 4 fun safety rules.
let us finish the year then change the rules to what ever u want and ill be back with all the safety stuff they want.
Sorry cant sleep cause I'm pissed and cant sleep. i had to vent.
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Its unfortunate that it has come to this but i am not surprised . The track had one of its best crowds of the year and a huge car count and the evening was almost lost because the fire department had to be called again for someone in the Four Fun division . I believe the car count on Saturday night was 38 Four Fun's with about 4 cars having full cages . We run 3 drivers door bars but do not have a full cage as per the rule book and i have no intention of cutting out our existing cage and building a new one this late in the season . We ran Peterborough 2 Sundays ago at the OSCAAR rain date show and had a great time so i guess thats where we will finish out the season . There seems to be 3 options for all the people in this class , build a cage , park the car or go to Peterborough .
I don't like the decision Wes Good made but it is his track and he needs to run it the way he thinks is best . I have always found Wes to be very approachable so instead of bad mouthing him on here i suggest you call him or speak to him directly at the track .
I hope to see a lot of you at Peterborough this Saturday
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FOR SALE four fun car will need cage,racing seat and fuel cell to race anytime after this post to race at sunset because owner changed rules on short notice car had many wins and was third in points in last years points.any further inquires please pm me.
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Well if the rumours were true the Four Fun's days were numbered anyway, so this sure is one way to make that happen. Now you "rubbin is racin" guys will understand why the previous management was so strict about NO contact - by the sounds of how rough the Four Funs have been this year, this decision was inevitable. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with the short notice - but if the rough drivers out there can't respect their peers on the track something had to be done. THOSE are the people you should blame.
I can't believe I'm gonna say this - I don't blame Wes at all for this decision. :)
This really hurts you guys that just wanna race and don't try to kill each other.
Holland Landing, you may have something there with Peterborough. This all may work out pretty good for them. If the drivers don't go at least the cars probably will.
Mark
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when did this come in affect????? pretty pointless division then if you ask me!!! thank god for wes good and his terrific decisions! plane and simple decisions like this is what is goin to make short track racing in canada die! i applaude you mr. good
Nothing will make short track racing die quicker than someone dieing....
+10 Ross. You are Absolutley Correct.
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Sunset Speedway “Four Fun” 2008 Rules
Not For Serious Racers, Just For Serious Fun
22) Mild contact is generally part of racing. In the Four Fun class it is not.
Deliberate or out of control contact will not be allowed.
The first year I saw this class ZERO contact was the rule period if it happened intentional or not you were out.
I think at that time this was something that all drivers paid very close attention too as they knew, even a litte scrub your out.
Look at this last Saturday, the same guys were into it more than once.
I just think somewhere everybody lost site of what the class was intended for, and now the track has to make a stand due to everything that went down this past weekend.
Personally I think killing the season for everybody and giving them 4 days to install cages is absurd.
I.M.O.
Saturday let em run, we have a new falgman for the 4 cyl's and 4 funs, make sure hes up to speed on the zero contact rule. Follow through with it.
A couple of these incidents on saturday could have been avoided had this rule been enforced from the start.
I think Saturday was a real eye opener for everybody, however I don't think it is unfair to say this class has been the most physical out of all 4 in the last year and a half.
Some due to inexperience, some due to over agressiveness and some lack of officiating, even with that being said the flagman should not have to babysit the class either. It is 0 contact plain and simple.
The rules are the rules and the envelope has been pushed to it's limit in the class, the Tech guy quit as a result of a lot of crap thrown his way brought on by drivers who wanted to continually push it.
It is unfortuneate that it looks like things are headed the way they are but in hindsight I think it could have been avoided.
It's terrible a few people got banged up Saturday, I don't disagree with the need for updated standards of safety in the class, however I don't think the lack of was what caused the circus saturday.
Granted if the cars were better equipped the injuries may not have been what they were, but in this class it should not have happened in the first place.
I think 90% of the people in 4 fun are more than capable of putting on an exciting no contact show and go green to checkered without any grief.
It may be too late to salvage the balance of the season with only a handfull of cars having the required equiptment in them now to run and I am sure there won't be many who will do it with 5 weeks left to run and I really feel bad for all of you.
Don't give up on it untill something official is posted or otherwise, it may be worth trying to get together as a group and discussing it with Wes and the track officials.
I am sure Wes is taking a lot of heat on both ends after Saturday night.
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After sleeping on it, I woke up this morning to find that my Tempo was still on my mind.
I am severly disappointed in these decisions. Honestly, don't tell us one thing and then switch it up without notice what so ever.
On another hand, you have to think of it this way, we were off the track for four of five weeks, getting back on there crazy things are bound to happen (it's happened before and not in the 4funs, I'm sure.) It's unfortunate that what happened did, it's obvious NOBODY wants people to be taken to the hospital. But c'mon, to spring this on us at 11pm on a MONDAY night and sending track staff to tell us and not even a courtesy phone call, please. Ridiculous. But I guess stuff like that has come expected, just like there was never any phone calls about rainouts either...
Like I said before, I work nights, so is Wes going to be up at 8am to let me into the track at 9am so I can get my car, if I so happen to have a trailor with me, and if I decide to comply to these new rules in three days?
I'm baffled. Completely baffled. With all these changes, (I know it's been discussed many times) that people are just going to move up into the roadrunners and they're be a ton of rookies in that class wrecking everybody else there too. How do you want to weed them out then? What may be easier would just be to say all fourfuns are now "Charger" division cars, taking a page out of Barrie's books, and they need to be set up like one. End. But don't give us short notice and like no time.
The idea of changing all these things out for NEXT year had a bigger and better responce from EVERYBODY.
This idea of Peterborough sounds great... maybe I'll join in. Road trip anybody? We could all meet in the Sunset Parkinglot and have a big convoy of FourFuns... haha
Maybe somebody up that way will buy my Tempo...
Slammer - Of course, there is no contact allowed... or there was no contact allowed. But there's been too much contact this season and not enough cautions and not enough black flags. I think thats all it was. I mean really you get the odd rub, doesn't completely warrent a BF, but when you see one car trunk another car, or spin them, or intentionally run them up or down the track using force that may cause one or both drivers to lose control, and may cause a pile up, maybe instead of shaking the black flag like they're scolding a naughty child they should just full out wave it. But yes, maybe our class is too far gone now. It's sad.
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Holland Landing, you may have something there with Peterborough. This all may work out pretty good for them. If the drivers don't go at least the cars probably will.
Mark
Do you guys not LEARN!!! All the 4-fun now go to Peterborough with the SAME rules. Doing the SAME thing.
Guess what, its going to end the SAME way!!!!
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Holland Landing, you may have something there with Peterborough. This all may work out pretty good for them. If the drivers don't go at least the cars probably will.
Mark
Do you guys not LEARN!!! All the 4-fun now go to Peterborough with the SAME rules. Doing the SAME thing.
Guess what, its going to end the SAME way!!!!
I think the good drivers of our division are hoping that the idiots of our division won't follow us to Peterborough.
I'm sorry that this was your first time ever seeing FourFuns race, and as a driver in that class, I'll tell you it usually doesn't turn out like a freakin wreckfest. :(
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Holland Landing, you may have something there with Peterborough. This all may work out pretty good for them. If the drivers don't go at least the cars probably will.
Mark
Do you guys not LEARN!!! All the 4-fun now go to Peterborough with the SAME rules. Doing the SAME thing.
Guess what, its going to end the SAME way!!!!
Hey don't blast off at me Ross - I only said it was a good thing for Peterborough (in terms of car counts), not that it was a good thing in general. Yes, it will end the same way.
Mark
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Holland Landing, you may have something there with Peterborough. This all may work out pretty good for them. If the drivers don't go at least the cars probably will.
Mark
Do you guys not LEARN!!! All the 4-fun now go to Peterborough with the SAME rules. Doing the SAME thing.
Guess what, its going to end the SAME way!!!!
Hey don't blast off at me Ross - I only said it was a good thing for Peterborough (in terms of car counts), not that it was a good thing in general. Yes, it will end the same way.
Mark
Sorry Mark. I didn't mean to. Your post just was a good summary that I used for my response. It wasn't dirrected at you.
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I think the good drivers of our division are hoping that the idiots of our division won't follow us to Peterborough.
I'm sorry that this was your first time ever seeing FourFuns race, and as a driver in that class, I'll tell you it usually doesn't turn out like a freakin wreckfest. :(
There are idiots, but there always was hard driving contact racing and mechanical falure that cause crashes.
Unless you want to change your class to no contact (that would be very unforuntate, the racing contact really made it exciting). Ban anyone who touches another car, rebuild and insepct EVERY part on your car every week, and install rubber walls at the track, you can never run without proper safety equipment.
Get over it. Get the gear in your car. You will see how easy it is, and then go racing.
4 days notice. Oh well, thats life, fix the car for the week after thats 11 days. Think of it as another week of for rain, or something beyond your control. If you can't get a cage installed in 11 days, most likely you just plain don't have the skill to do it, and the length of time is is irrelivant.
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There are idiots, but there always was hard driving contact racing and mechanical falure that cause crashes.
Unless you want to change your class to no contact (that would be very unforuntate, the racing contact really made it exciting). Ban anyone who touches another car, rebuild and insepct EVERY part on your car every week, and install rubber walls at the track, you can never run without proper safety equipment.
Get over it. Get the gear in your car. You will see how easy it is, and then go racing.
4 days notice. Oh well, thats life, fix the car for the week after thats 11 days. Think of it as another week of for rain, or something beyond your control. If you can't get a cage installed in 11 days, most likely you just plain don't have the skill to do it, and the length of time is is irrelivant.
The class has always been no-contact, or at least it was suppose be no contact. Like I said previously, the blackflag hasn't been used and some drivers have taken advatage of that.
I'm not getting over it, I only make so much money and only so much can go towards racing. Building a new car for next year and buying doubles of everything I need so I can put crap into this car and ito the new car, makes no sense to me.
And you know what, you're right, I don't have skill to put in a new roll cage and all that other stuff nor the equipment to get the car to my house (though I'm sure I have a ton of people willing to help me,), I have awkward hours which make it hard for me to do anything with the car, let alone put a bunch of stuff in it.
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Real racers don't leave their heap of scrap at the track all week and than show up to go racing with no budget in mind. When's the last time these so called racecar drivers had their so-called racecars on a hoist to check things out. If you want to shoot some laps to get your racing fix- than enter the King of the hill! or better yet get your friends and head on down to the go-kart track. 4 funs turned out to be BRUTAL racing and Wes has finally made the right call to make them safe. Murphy's Law will come in play if he decides to ride out the year and make the changes in 2009. You can bet that something will definitely go wrong and another driver will get hurt. Get a Sponsor to help and if you can't find one, than your in the wrong sport.
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And the worse thing about it these cars will now have a cash value of scrap. I can't see anybody buying one of these at our local track. If you have to go through the trouble of installing a seat, cage and fuel cell you might as well start out with a new car. Having said that, and I hope it doesn't happen, you might as well get a standard and just go to 4 cylinder. The appeal to buying one of these cars before to a beginner was you can just hop behind the wheel and go but now you have modifications which will be beyond the scope of a beginner.
I would hope that if things go as I think they will that the 4 cylinder division will be split into 2 next year like Barrie and the 4 fun and beginner 4 cyl cars can run in that division just like Barries Chargers. I think it will be a mess to have 60 cars in our division. Even when one of the 4 fun cars makes the changes it will be legal to run in our division.
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Nothing will make short track racing die quicker than someone dieing....
Gotta disagree with you there Ross. Unfortunatly, Many people have been killed at short tracks all over North America, and the sport is still alive. Sunset had a death in 1997 or 98 (in a full caged Challenger car) and as you found out last weekend, the track is still standing.
I don't disagree with your opinion that the safety has to be improved in the class, but the above statement just makes no sense.
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Nothing will make short track racing die quicker than someone dieing....
Gotta disagree with you there Ross. Unfortunatly, Many people have been killed at short tracks all over North America, and the sport is still alive. Sunset had a death in 1997 or 98 (in a full caged Challenger car) and as you found out last weekend, the track is still standing.
I don't disagree with your opinion that the safety has to be improved in the class, but the above statement just makes no sense.
You wouldn't be thinking that if you were the challenger driver....
When someone dies you get a lawsuit. A percentage of belame is put on each party. In the case of 4-funs a HUGE percentage would be put on the speedway for not having proper safty in place If that didn't kill them, and they were able to get insurace every again, you can count on some pencile pusher insurance guy in Toronto, that can't find the gas cap on his BMW will be the one making the "safety" rules for us to follow. Thats the death of racing I'm talking about.
While we are on the death topic, do you want one of the young kids, with the big smile on their face, that came up to you to ask for your autograph, to see someone die infront of them?
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Just so that doesn't appear to be a rumour I did have another driver curious about this call Wes and he did confirm that in fact all those items will be needed now to race.
On a lighter note he did mention that CSC has a offer for the track for $650 you get a cage, seat and suit.
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Sorry Mark. I didn't mean to. Your post just was a good summary that I used for my response. It wasn't dirrected at you.
Cool, no prob Ross. I wasn't sure. :)
Mark
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This class has evolved way beyond it's original intentions. Anyone who was around for the first few years will surely agree with that. So, as it always goes in racing, the rules will have to evolve with them. Plus if rough driving and contact is tolerated by officials then the safety equipment has to be up to par.
The timing of the decision is the unfortunate part.
The bottom line is this: on Saturday it is highly unlikely that many drivers will have their cars up to the new standard. So for those of you who wished for the death of this class, you got it. Who I feel for are those drivers in the top 5 or so whose season just ended. It's a crying shame.
Mark
* edited spelling foible *
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Yep to that Mark. You almost think they should call it a season right now. The truth is if anybody thought this division was a joke (I never did) then they sure as hell will now when you run a late model set of heats then out on the track comes 3 four funs to race.
On the plus side I suppose a guy that is sitting in 10th place with most of the safety equipment already can coast to a track championship just by showing up and putting it in cruise control.
I really feel for all the people that have worked hard to come out to racing every week. People like Ashley that run on a shoe string and does her best to just get out and have fun.
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Yes, maybe they should call everybody and ask them how many people can have a cage in by Saturday! if it is less then half of the drivers. maybe they should have the 4 funs off for the week. See how many can have the safety stuff added for the following week. if it is over half, then great, but if not, then maybe they should call the season for them so the people up there in the points still finish where they are! IMO
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...You almost think they should call it a season right now...
I couldn't agree more Harold. As much as the drivers will be angry with it, they'll be even more angry with those 3 cars out there on the track and them not. At least then those drivers who gave it their all with their "non-conforming" cars can get the proper credit due at the banquet.
Then here's anther thought - instead making those rule changes, it may make sense simply to turn the class into a "Charger" division next year (like Barrie) so cars can be moved between divisions - Barrie really has the best setup with that. You're too fast, up you go.
Mark
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Yes, maybe they should call everybody and ask them how many people can have a cage in by Saturday! if it is less then half of the drivers. maybe they should have the 4 funs off for the week. See how many can have the safety stuff added for the following week. if it is over half, then great, but if not, then maybe they should call the season for them so the people up there in the points still finish where they are! IMO
I see what you mean and it makes sense, only problem is if I was one of those guys who worked every night this week and spent the money to put the cage in a car I likely wouldn't run next year then the numbers come back at less than half...I'd be mad for a second time! :)
It's like pulling off a bandaid - maybe ending the season would be the best. OR - end the POINTS season right now, and run the rest of the year for no points just purse? (Just spitballin' here...)
Mark
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great idea. end the points now and run for fun the rest of the year!
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On the plus side I suppose a guy that is sitting in 10th place with most of the safety equipment already can coast to a track championship just by showing up and putting it in cruise control.
I'd say you deserve the championship then..
Not all racing is done on the track. You spent the time to build a better (safer in this case) car.
Another part of winning a championship is working under presssure. You might have to replace a blown motor, or re-clip a car in a week, to stay in the race for the championship. In this case the challenge is to cage your car in 4 days. Completely doable...
Let the best driver and team win, not simply the guy who drives the fastest around the track. thats race'n
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Unfortunately with the ownership at the track pullin the stuff he is i'm not going out and doing this stuff to my car just to have maybe 5 or 6 cars show up on Saturday. Then have him tell us he's not running a race with so few cars which i can see him doing since he has had it out for us from day1!!! I will save my money and pull the cage i already have in and put my time and effort into a new car to run as a 4 cyl.
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Unfortunately with the ownership at the track pullin the stuff he is i'm not going out and doing this stuff to my car just to have maybe 5 or 6 cars show up on Saturday. Then have him tell us he's not running a race with so few cars which i can see him doing since he has had it out for us from day1!!! I will save my money and pull the cage i already have in and put my time and effort into a new car to run as a 4 cyl.
That attidute is another perfect example of why someone who put the extra effort in to their car before, or makes the effort this week, deserves that championship over you...
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On that note I do have a 85 civic race ready for 4 cylinder that just needs a new motor and off you go in 4 cylinder.. I want it gone so cheap cheap cheap!!!
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Unfortunately with the ownership at the track pullin the stuff he is i'm not going out and doing this stuff to my car just to have maybe 5 or 6 cars show up on Saturday. Then have him tell us he's not running a race with so few cars which i can see him doing since he has had it out for us from day1!!! I will save my money and pull the cage i already have in and put my time and effort into a new car to run as a 4 cyl.
That attidute is another perfect example of why someone who put the extra effort in to their car before, or makes the effort this week, deserves that championship over you...
I'm done with putting all this effort into this car to get jerked around and then squash it in 5 weeks. I've slaved and taken days off work replacing control arms, axles, straighting out rear axles and everything else. maybe you should take your own advice and then you might be able to squeeze out a lap thats more than half a second faster than us!!
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Unfortunately with the ownership at the track pullin the stuff he is i'm not going out and doing this stuff to my car just to have maybe 5 or 6 cars show up on Saturday. Then have him tell us he's not running a race with so few cars which i can see him doing since he has had it out for us from day1!!! I will save my money and pull the cage i already have in and put my time and effort into a new car to run as a 4 cyl.
That attidute is another perfect example of why someone who put the extra effort in to their car before, or makes the effort this week, deserves that championship over you...
I'm done with putting all this effort into this car to get jerked around and then squash it in 5 weeks. I've slaved and taken days off work replacing control arms, axles, straighting out rear axles and everything else. maybe you should take your own advice and then you might be able to squeeze out a lap thats more than half a second faster than us!!
I do. I took a car (and driver) about 36th quickest out of 38 and placed 16th with it.
Thats race'n.
This is your chance. Don't let it get away.
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Its funny when people dont hear what they want to hear they start with the personal attacks isn't it.
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great idea. end the points now and run for fun the rest of the year!
I think Kahnefreak may be on to something here. End the season for points as it is now. Run every week from now till the end of the season FOUR FUN and whatever cash they pay out each week. Is this division not called the FOUR FUN division. I'm sure they originally called it that for a reason. This way all the car owners have a chance to get their cars up to the new class safety limits and come out to race at their own pace. I also have to say that after seeing for my own eyes , the accident in the four fun class sat. night and what could have turned out to be a more severe outcome that the track really had no choice but to implement strickter safety precautions. Good to here the driver involved is ok.
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by the way - how is Bob?
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As i have stated we are going to Peterborough this Saturday and i hope many others come with us . This class seems to run just fine at Peterborough , Capital Speedway , Oshwegan and about 40 other tracks in America according to what i have read . You get 2 weeks to run at Peterborough before you have to register but we will regester this weekend .
With a class that is larger then the total car count at places like Mosport i am sure there will be some sort of effect at Sunset but i am sure the track will be just fine with out us .
Its time to move on people and not worry about what was , i understand the LLM class is not far behind us in being gone from Sunset as well .
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I wouldn't be shocked if this was an entirely insurance thing...I bet they were told if they did not do this, they would lose their insurance...until Wes gives a reason for the springing of this on you, I wldnt fry him...
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Bob is fine, sore and is at home resting. They kept him over night and ct scanned him and found nothing wrong. Gave him some medication and sent him on the way.
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Thanks Brendan, I just wanted to know how Bob was doing, because I think everyone has lost sight of what this topic was all about - SAFETY
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I wouldn't be shocked if this was an entirely insurance thing...I bet they were told if they did not do this, they would lose their insurance...until Wes gives a reason for the springing of this on you, I wldnt fry him...
I'd be shocked if he doesnt know whats being said. and if its an insurance thing the night would have ended after the last ff caution. Cause there was no medics. Did anyone see any at thunder car wreck?
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If your not sure don't start rumors there was no medics.
Cause there was no medics. Did anyone see any at thunder car wreck?
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As i have stated we are going to Peterborough this Saturday and i hope many others come with us . This class seems to run just fine at Peterborough , Capital Speedway , Oshwegan and about 40 other tracks in America according to what i have read . You get 2 weeks to run at Peterborough before you have to register but we will regester this weekend .
With a class that is larger then the total car count at places like Mosport i am sure there will be some sort of effect at Sunset but i am sure the track will be just fine with out us .
Its time to move on people and not worry about what was , i understand the LLM class is not far behind us in being gone from Sunset as well .
I don't get it, you are going to blow 80 bucks of gas a night, to save yourself the price of 65 bucks worth of tube to make your car safe, so you don't end up in a wheel chair, being fed through a straw for the rest of your life? Thats your story, you are sticking to it?
Secret of why Peterborough's 4-fun class "works". I confess I haven't been to the track this year, but from past years it worked because it SUCKED. There were 4 maybe 5 cars in the class. The cars were so poorly prepared that their speed was better suited for a bicycle race. Sorry, not knocking the drivers there, but what was on that track stunk. Bring your show there, and the same thing is going to happen as at Sunset, someone is going to get hurt.
From personal experince, running the endro race at Peterborough, with the same rules, there were countless acidents. One guy ended up on the roof having to be cut out. Don't think he mad it back to the track. Another took a battery to the back. Acident after acident. I ran there myself, starting with a stock seat and one bar from floor to roof, in a 4-door cutlass. After one race I had a full cage put in it. With time I grew up, and now run a safe car. 87 Reyns came from the same place. He grew up, races a safe car and has become one of the top drivers in the province. Whats your plan? Run in a stock seat unsafe car forever? Maybe this is your calling....
You all joined the 4-fun class to get into racing, see what its about. Well guess what, you are seeing first hand. Its not a joke, our lifes are on the line. If you do not see that an value that, I sugest that you are in the wrong sport. IF you really have a death wish, then go do it in the field somewhere. Play demo derby straped to the hood in a corn field for all I care. Please avoid tracks, so that those of us that care about the sport arn't labled by the few that make it called "hillbilly trailer park racing" by having no regard for themselves and ending up in the hospital.
Don't have the money to put into your car.. BS, are you on welfare or something? Work some extra overtime and you'll have that $230 for a brand new, weld in over the weekend cage.
Anyhow, thats long enough. I'm done with the topic. Do what you like.
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Why would anyone take their beatup car and add a full cage now....not even worth the time and work for 3 or 4 weeks......save your money and build a complete new car for next year.....And if anyone wants to sell a fun four, they run them at Ohsweken and Peterboro and there are people looking....Plus if you want a nice car with a great cage for now or next year, check the Humberstone site, $900. It was so good it was banned at a number of tracks. Its Sunset legal. The motor is blown but the seller supplies another one and they are top running racers that will give you any info you need to get it running good.
Changing an engine or tranny is a heck of alot easier that adding a roll cage....and to do it properly....and make sure its safe. Having a roll cage installed wrong because you are rushing to do it in 4 days, can lead to serious injuries also. If the rules say no bumping, park the ones that do...pretty simple.
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We can no longer run as of this coming Sat the 23.
Unless we have a full rollcage, racin seat with mounts, and a firesuit.
Good luck to the 3 out of 38 of u that have that.
I would hope that some day you might the facts straight before you go spouting off!!
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My decision was made, after two people have been hurt in these very unsafe cars. In the beginning I was against running them because of this safety factor, but was talked into letting the division live by you the drivers.
Now I see drivers in short shirt sleeves and shorts driving like they have nine lives, and not having a car in the world what happens.
Remember with a GOOD driving suit you have THREE minutes in a fire. How log have you got in shorts and short sleeves? We would not even get the truck started and you would be DEAD! Thanks, but no thanks I don't need this on my mind each and every day.
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Any car that is equipped with a proper four point cage can run this week, and will be given another week to get a suit and seat etc. these drivers are invited to come to Sunset on Wed. for a check on their roll cage.
So as I see it son, they have 12 days to get ready NOT 4 as you are yelling to everyone. PLEASE get you facts straight next time, or at least listen to someone with some knowledge.
As I understand it we have more than you think that already have roll cages in them, these people care if they live or die.
And as it was also said in this thread, if you can't afford to go racing, and do it right, than just watch those that can.
I am not trying to be harsh with you, but if someone gets killed, then you know what will happen to the insurance; and if that happens we will just have a parking lot,
So that said I am not going to gamble with your life, or my future..
Thanks
Wes Good
p/s also regarding the paramedics, I fired the two that were on the track. and we had two qualified Paramedics in the ambulance befor the others left the Speedway.
You might not be aware but there are several Paramedics that attend the races each and every week, and are more than willing to help.
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Then why were people with first aid volenteered to fill in. She messaged me asking where the paramedics went as she really didn't want to be in that position and I'm sure the others who got volenteered as well didn't. So where's the real truth on that? Btw did those "volenteer's" get paid or thanked for saving the night?
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Also the 2 cars that did hurt people this year were driving some of the safer cars in the division. Nicoles car had a full 4 point cage in it, as well as she wheres a full fire suit, with neck brace and a full faced helmet. Now Bob has a fire suit, I don't believe he has a neck brace and he runs an open face helmet, and that car is only 3 or 4 bars away from being a full 4 point cage. So I don't think its lack of bars causing these injuries.
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p/s also regarding the paramedics, I fired the two that were on the track. and we had two qualified Paramedics in the ambulance befor the others left the Speedway.
You might not be aware but there are several Paramedics that attend the races each and every week, and are more than willing to help.
Honestly, if that doesn't answer the foolishness on here, I don't know what will. I suggest if someone has a problem with this response, they ask Wes if they can give whoever is in the ambulance a writen parametics test. I couldn't care less if he pays them, or gives them a free goat and a thank-you card. Seems there were there.
Thanks for the scare. I think an apology is owed to the speedway, not endless silly questions... Why'd he lie? Anything happens without parametics done and he will be the proud owner of a parking lot. Considering that he shut down the unsafe 4-fun for fear of that, I don't see why he'd cover up not having qualified parametics.
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So I don't think its lack of bars causing these injuries.
No you are right, its the boogie man.
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Ok so the close personal friend of mine who was on ambulance with the 3 others, that make 4 not 2 people covering for the 2 people he fired. So there for he doesn't even know the facts as to who is covering, I still have the text message on my phone from her telling me what was going on.
And my comment on the bars was because both hits that have injured people have been nose hits not anything relating to the cage.
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Ok so the close personal friend of mine who was on ambulance with the 3 others, that make 4 not 2 people covering for the 2 people he fired. So there for he doesn't even know the facts as to who is covering, I still have the text message on my phone from her telling me what was going on.
"That makes 4 not 2 people COVERING"
So in your own words, the race was covered. With all due respect, that means you lied, in saying we were not covered.
Friend you just yelled fire in a crowed building because you have some axe to grind with Wes. I don't apprecate that you made me run out the door like an idiot. Have a problem with how Wes staffs, I'd take that up with him, its not my or the publics concern here. Its low that you took it to this point...
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My point is though these arnt the people trained to deal with the possible injuries, my g.f has her first aid certificate but i dont think that teaches her how to deal with people who have been in a car accident with possible neck and back injuries, as the wrong move with a next injury can paralyze and I don't thin the people that were covering were trained for the situations that may have arose.
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We can no longer run as of this coming Sat the 23.
Unless we have a full rollcage, racin seat with mounts, and a firesuit.
Good luck to the 3 out of 38 of u that have that.
I would hope that some day you might the facts straight before you go spouting off!!
First
My decision was made, after two people have been hurt in these very unsafe cars. In the beginning I was against running them because of this safety factor, but was talked into letting the division live by you the drivers.
Now I see drivers in short shirt sleeves and shorts driving like they have nine lives, and not having a car in the world what happens.
Remember with a GOOD driving suit you have THREE minutes in a fire. How log have you got in shorts and short sleeves? We would not even get the truck started and you would be DEAD! Thanks, but no thanks I don't need this on my mind each and every day.
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Any car that is equipped with a proper four point cage can run this week, and will be given another week to get a suit and seat etc. these drivers are invited to come to Sunset on Wed. for a check on their roll cage.
So as I see it son, they have 12 days to get ready NOT 4 as you are yelling to everyone. PLEASE get you facts straight next time, or at least listen to someone with some knowledge.
As I understand it we have more than you think that already have roll cages in them, these people care if they live or die.
And as it was also said in this thread, if you can't afford to go racing, and do it right, than just watch those that can.
I am not trying to be harsh with you, but if someone gets killed, then you know what will happen to the insurance; and if that happens we will just have a parking lot,
So that said I am not going to gamble with your life, or my future..
Thanks
Wes Good
p/s also regarding the paramedics, I fired the two that were on the track. and we had two qualified Paramedics in the ambulance befor the others left the Speedway.
You might not be aware but there are several Paramedics that attend the races each and every week, and are more than willing to help.
way to go wes, get rid of the death traps. if anyone is arguing the improvements of these RACECARS, then they aren't racers because real racers aren't stupid. i can't believe that this has been argued so much. if you can't afford the safety, you can't afford to race........period! i don't want to have to live with watching someone DIE a horrible death, so quit being a bunch of weiners and fix your damned cars! sorry to correct you Wes but a good fire suit buys you 3 SECONDS protection and thats not guaranteed. belt in your car and try to get out counting as you do it,as fast as you can. after 3 seconds , its layers of skin you are losing. seems pretty simple ay!!!
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I have to agree with Wes on this one. Those for funs are gettin' fast.
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I had my st. Johns first aid Cert many many years ago and yes we were taught to deal with neck and back injuries and broken legs and arms, as well has handling people that got burns from fire. It is not only CPR you learn in first aid courses and, as Wes stated there was more then enough qualified people to help out if something happened.
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Hi there everyone, Bob Mercer is doing very well recovering . Wes... I think you had better get your own story straight .....
let's get the story straight wes you did not fire those paramedics they walked off the track when you told them to tow my car off the track and they could do whatever they wanted to out by road this is not hearsay i heard this as he was trying to stabilize my neck and back so therefore this makes you unclear about your facts and your so called sense of safety for your drivers glen would not have done this yours truly huckleberry
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tow the car with you in it?
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But at the end of the night a thunder car driver limped off the track and was taken to hospital by family and friends so where does that leave the situation of these people who were qualified to look after an obviously injured driver.
And btw good to see you got your computer issues figured out Bob, hope the pain is starting to go away for yah.
And noone is arguing with the upgrades in safety on the cars, noone did when it was announced that these cars would need all this for 2009, the issue is that who wants to do it with 5 nights left to go. If they told you at barrie you needed to go out and get a HANS device to race with For this Saturday night and that your car must now have a complete full containment seat in it how would you feel would you be able to do all this for Saturday.(once again not arguing with the aspect of improved safety just the lack of time)
Yes with him in it, he wanted to tow the car out into the parking lot and have them cut him out of it there.
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Am I the only one that thinks... the Sunset demo derby in a couple of weeks just got a whole lot more entrys? ;D
In all seriousness though...I'm actually very cruious how many actually do indeed change there car over seeing as there is only a handfull of weeks left...it can't be many....that's forsure.
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I don't normally comment on the politics of or deciesons made by management of any racing facility but when the man who has to pull out his wallet to pay the bills makes a ruling on any aspect of his business, I have to think it is a done deal. As the other guy said earlier, pay to tow to another track, or pay to install some steel to protect yourself. It is what it is. And safe it is not. ::)
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After the Thunder car accident every driver got out of there cars on the track. If I'm not mistaken track officials ask every driver if they are ok. So what's your point Doherty. Having been in accidents myself the adrenaline is still flowing and the stiffness or pain does not start till your back in the pits wondering what the hell just happened. Racing is a high risk sport every time you get behind the wheel. Why are we on a public forum ripping the Track and Owner? because he has an issue with safety? If you have a problem with Sunset dont go.
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Who limped off the track and was taken to hospital by family?????????????
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supposedly it was the dallas in the 81, can't see him limpin around unless he was really hurt
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Who limped off the track and was taken to hospital by family?????????????
Very good question Kristi. Considering you were piled up in the crash, you might know the answer to that. Seems you don't and you were there. Sooo....
The answer is Doherty is a lier. Yet again.
Doherty, its time to grow up. Quit crying like a baby because you have to make your death trap car safe, and making up stories. Its pathetic.
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I did see Dallas walking back towards the pits and he was limping and was aided by some people Sorry Ross I think Brendan is not lying on this one.
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You miss the point its not that the upgrades need to be made its the lack of time. And fine then I never witnessed Dallas limping in the pits Saturday I guess it must have been the other guy driving the 18 car.
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Who limped off the track and was taken to hospital by family?????????????
Doherty, its time to grow up. Quit crying like a baby because you have to make your death trap car safe, and making up stories. Its pathetic.
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You are absolutly correct.. i have been reading this fourm for some time now.. If you wanted to race bad enough, you would make the changes (GOOD CHANGES)... obviously your life doesnt mean too much to you...
Quit whining, Grow Up, Get over it!!!.. It doesnt take long to make these changes, you all could be back at the track and racing in no time, but you would rather sit on here and complain and whine about rather than doing something. (this is not only directed at 1 person)..
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I would like to set the record straight. I know first hand that Dallas is still limping around today. I know for a fact it was the tech manager that said Wes fired the paramedics and there was no one there to look at him. It was Dallas that was taken to the hospital by family (Thank you Kristi for asking). I have been going to sunset for over 30 years and the track has never been this bad--bring back slaughter or someone with some business sense.
Doherty - you best just keep you comments about Dallas to yourself.. >:(
Get over it, if you cant put your car together safe enough to race-- then guess what- you shouldnt be racing.
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Hey there 1233.....I think you might wanna take it easy on Doherty, He was just stating that Dallas was limping because he was hurt but from the mindless banter coming from Ross "I blister off 18.1 sec laps" Evans, he was being accused of being a liar.....that statement was tongue in cheek and in no way meant to be arrogant from Doherty about the other guy driving, he stated that he saw Dallas limping. I personally have known Dallas a very long time, i have had some confrontations with him, and i for one know for a fact that it takes alot to hurt him so if he was limping in the pits then he was hurt bad.
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mindless banter coming from Ross "I blister off 18.1 sec laps" Evans, he was being accused of being a liar......
Good, take me on. Want to start something, use me. I'm a big boy. Coming from Walters or someone I respect, or any driver above, lets knock the windows out of it and run it, that might hurt...
Belame everthing on me, do what you like, I'll battle you right back... Heck I killed the 4-funs with my mindless banter. Hows that to start?
I started the topic, that 4-fun were not safe. Posted it publicly here, brought attention to it, then when something happened it could not be ignored. Sponsor, the media, heck even the insurace company can and do read this. Wes's hands were tied, by me posting my prediction based on my knowlege of racing, and then the racers on the weekend playing right into it.
Leave lies and rumors that will hurt the track, and can kill racing for ALL OF US out of it.
Don;t want to be called a lier, then don't lie. Or better yet, get good at lieing, and don't prove yourself wrong with your own follow-up posts.
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Hey Ross, Im not saying that I want to take you on, Im just saying that some stuff you post is mindless, some is relevant, either way, you make me laugh each and every day and I have sat here biting my tongue reading all of this from not only you but alot of other people. You say that you would accept words from Herb, my best friend, or any other driver on here......well, let me introduce myself....Steve Slaughter Jr. at your sevice, driver of the 45 thunder car, yep thats right, the Blue one with flourecent orange/black/and white #'s, the same one that blew by you at KD at the sizzler, the same one that won his first heat even on that track in a Thunder Car.
Pleased to meet you!
With love
Steve Slaughter Jr. (currently 3rd in sunset points)
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AWWW isn't that nice Steve is makin' NEW FRIENDS.... Hi Steve!
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Hey Ross, Im not saying that I want to take you on, Im just saying that some stuff you post is mindless, some is relevant, either way, you make me laugh each and every day and I have sat here biting my tongue reading all of this from not only you but alot of other people. You say that you would accept words from Herb, my best friend, or any other driver on here......well, let me introduce myself....Steve Slaughter Jr. at your sevice, driver of the 45 thunder car, yep thats right, the Blue one with flourecent orange/black/and white #'s, the same one that blew by you at KD at the sizzler, the same one that won his first heat even on that track in a Thunder Car.
Pleased to meet you!
With love
Steve Slaughter Jr. (currently 3rd in sunset points)
Well Steve, in our only meeting on the track, the Sunday at Kawartha, you got around me in the heat race. Was in position to get back around you, had you not been sliding between 2 lanes. Not going to wreck my car in a heat race to do it... the 69X that held you up for most of the heat, and was the only other car you passed other than me, it was his first time at the track this year, he's from New Brunswick. He's a mid - rear pack car..
At the end of the day, I placed 6th, higher than you.
Ross "18.1 lap" Evans - 1
Steve Slaughter - 0
Glad I can make you laugh, I look forward to the rematch AC? or Octoberfest?
Love and kisses,
Ross Evans - 30
p.s. All in good fun. I know that you are a talented driver, so your 18.1 second comment hurts :'(
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mindless banter coming from Ross "I blister off 18.1 sec laps" Evans, he was being accused of being a liar......
by me posting my prediction based on my knowlege of racing, and then the racers on the weekend playing right into it.
I can beleive I missed this one too bud, Im just going by what i know, which is alot, been around racing since the day I was born, owned and operated Sunset for 18 years and I have seen more than most, been apart of more than most and I am 29 as of right now.......I am in no way demeaning you but you just gotta watch who you direct comments too because that person just might know exactly what you think you know.......as far as the insurance policy issue, its a valid concern among drivers who care, I have a policy from our last year of operation and Kevin Besta who was our insurance agent has said that nothing has been taken out, just added in since. All im saying is that small things put up red flags for some people, like the waivers you sign at sunset.......very different than barrie, same insurance company?? Barrie has the same waiver that we had and that glen had but not that are used now......its freedom of information Ross, not being ignorant or arrogant.
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Yes Ross, you have a point on me on where you finished but if you look at the vid on you tube, "if" i had of made it by Andy, I was gonna be 4th, considering I started 17th. Now I am smart enough to know that "ifs" dont get you any further ahead at the end of the day, its where you crossed the line and I didnt, but in the heat I did, in first, ahead of you!! so, i guess thats
Ross-1pt
Junior-1pt?
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I towed the car !
Ross 1
Junior 1
Herb 1
I want in on this
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I towed the car !
Ross 1
Junior 1
Herb 1
I want in on this
Herb 2 (you get bonus points for kickin' everybodies ass Saturday ;D)
However I still can't help but wonder how it woulda turned out had Jr. been there :'( :'( LOL
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I towed the car !
Ross 1
Junior 1
Herb 1
I want in on this
LMFAO!!! Yer a knob Herb! bahahahaha!!! So what were our times we were turnin that night that i was beatin on yer back bumper in the feature when we finished 1-2? I think it was 16.4's? maybe 16.3's once we got by Stan Coe?? not sure tho! :P
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Ha Ha, nice try the 69x is Craig Scott out of North Bay, he runs Sunset one or 2 nights a year, same with barrie, he does Autumn Colours and Oktoberfest, and he has run KD as well in the past.
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Hey! I'm the guy who gave Junior his first ride in 1998 and the little bugger ran my car quicker than me so I should get at least 1 point too???
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Herb heard you dominated Saturday night. Congrats on the feature win!! Nice cool $1000 bucks... bet Cin has that spent for yah! j/k
Keep up the good work! :)
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If Steve was there and Doucette wasn't in that wreck who knows who would have won it, maybe even smokin Joe if he was there
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Hey! I'm the guy who gave Junior his first ride in 1998 and the little bugger ran my car quicker than me so I should get at least 1 point too???
I dont think so Joe!! Its because of you that I am this predicament! LOL!! Oh god, im getting sick just thinking of the money i have spent over the years! BAHAHAHA!! Ya right! and i thank you everyday Joe! You were the only one dumb enough to do it! LOL!!
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Easy now-Don't Rub it in just because I'm old and gray!!! Rumour has it that Junior is letting me run his car at the Autumn Colours this year, all I have to do is give him a Certified Cheque for $88,000.00.
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you can drive mine for half
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Rumous has it that you are losing your mind too!! Hell! 10,000 and its all yours! LOL
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88,000? I'll take two!
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u talking about me herbie???lol.....blew the motor up at the dash>>>>i was there watching though ,came with biff>>>>he had nothing for ya ....congrats on the $1000
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What ifs. I would have kicked all your butts if I could have drove my old car.
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I want 10 points just for leading the feature on Saturday.
:D YAY!
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That attidute is another perfect example of why someone who put the extra effort in to their car before, or makes the effort this week, deserves that championship over you...
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Well Said, you absoutely have the right thoughts and ideas here........
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As i have stated we are going to Peterborough this Saturday and i hope many others come with us . This class seems to run just fine at Peterborough , Capital Speedway , Oshwegan and about 40 other tracks in America according to what i have read . You get 2 weeks to run at Peterborough before you have to register but we will regester this weekend .
With a class that is larger then the total car count at places like Mosport i am sure there will be some sort of effect at Sunset but i am sure the track will be just fine with out us .
Its time to move on people and not worry about what was , i understand the LLM class is not far behind us in being gone from Sunset as well .
All one has to do is look on the track and you realize LLM is a divison that is dying.
Look out for the Thunder Cars they are definately happening.
Anyone that has been around racing any length of time has seen the same pattern happen every ten years or so and it moves from divisions. Nothing new just some peoples ignorance to racing.
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Brendan you the only one that seems to have a close personal friend in every situation. But that's besides the point, like Rossevans30 states if you guys don't get it now you never will.
Unbelievable but true. Education is a wonderful thing but you can't replace good old common sense.!!!
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for those uf us to signed up to race a 700 dollar claimer race get r registration back or any part of it. if u guys CARE SO MUCH about us drivers?
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Well basically the season is over how many nights are left?? I just counted 6. What would you like 10 bucks back.
PS they have spell checker available on here ya know....
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oops i made a mistake. unlike ur race scores ::) ::) ::) 11 races 6 left $60 for registration that would be $20 back. u must be head score keeper. ;D ; ::)
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Brendan you the only one that seems to have a close personal friend in every situation. But that's besides the point, like Rossevans30 states if you guys don't get it now you never will.
Unbelievable but true. Education is a wonderful thing but you can't replace good old common sense.!!!
Once again nobody is complaining about the safety upgrades, I know several people who were going to build new cars over the winter for 2009. Its the time line and lack of public announcement. He was able to post on his website there are no more thunder car recaps why not a rule update for four funs, give some of these drivers a fighting chance to fix there cars. And as for friends in this situation I have plenty, I ran the division for 4 years and have made good friends with alot of the drivers out there now and I feel bad for there situation, I'am very glad I decided to take the year off.
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Well basically the season is over how many nights are left?? I just counted 6. What would you like 10 bucks back.
See there's that level of arrogance that people don't need right now. This guy has a point and you make it sound like he's being petty.
And as for the shots you've made at Doherty, he's been around the track a hell of a lot more than you have since 2003! And he's been a lot more faithful to the track as well - I'd cut him some slack if I were you.
Mark
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What does him being there more from 2003 mean anything. You really have to get over the fact that your not the web guy anymore you seem bitter still
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You really have to get over the fact that your not the web guy anymore you seem bitter still
Speaking of which, what does that have to do with anything?? Jeezuz, keep reaching for things to attack people with why don't cha.
EDIT: Actually, on second thought, yeah I'm bitter. I'm bitter when I see how drivers are being treated at a track that I called home for 4+ years. They're good people and just wanna have some fun racing. They should be getting a bit more respect than this. You as a husband may want to defend your wife and attack me, but maybe as a driver if you were in the position of some of these Four Funs you'd see it from a different light.
Mark
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#1 there is no way ever i would get in one of those death traps. Since I bought my new car I've spent over $1,000 just upgrading safety equipment because that to me is #1. #2 You people have no reason to run Deb down. Do you have any idea what your points would look like right now if she didnt come along. For the first 3 weeks she was up all night all week just trying to sort out the mistakes from the first 3 weeks of racing. Now I dont see eye to eye with Wes and everyone knows that but on this I am 100% behind him. Get those death traps off the track before someone gets seriously hurt.
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OK enough with the death traps. By the sounds of it almost every driver from 4cyl up has driven in a death trap at one point in time, even rossevens. Yes some improvements could be made, I think the cage and seat would be good. Finnish the season, make every driver have a neck ring, fire suit. Black flag the contact and tech the cars. If they don't get through tech, suspend them for a week. If they are caught again, make it 2. Next year make the cars have roll cage and racing seat. must.
remember that a lot of good drivers came from the 4 funs.
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Sorry Ross I got your last name wrong, "Evans"
BTW, next spring you might have a few 4 fun drivers with a case of beer in tow taking you up on the offer of showing them how to weld a cage in.
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Just for the record, if none of you have figured it out yet,
I LOVE MY DEATH TRAP!!! :D
I'D DRIVE IT EVERYWHERE!
WHEN I SEE IT NEXT I'LL GIVE IT A BIG HUG AND A KISS
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN FAITHFUL!
IT IS ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO RIDE AROUND IN!
Hell, it's better than a boyfriend. ;) HAHAHAHAHAHA :D
And Peanut Butter - I have been arguing the fact that the first time round he said by next year we must have all this saftey equipment now he gave us one week. Next year all of us could live with, next season is a long way away. When we found out the news he wanted this done by Saturday, a lot of us were livid (me included.) Our season is done. Finished. It's sad. All I can say is the last race in my fourfun was the greatest ever, only because I lead the feature and I didn't start on the pole. That car would've been awesome if this season played out all normal, like we had hoped it would, but alas...
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Brendan you the only one that seems to have a close personal friend in every situation. But that's besides the point, like Rossevans30 states if you guys don't get it now you never will.
Unbelievable but true. Education is a wonderful thing but you can't replace good old common sense.!!!
Deb i have had to come to you to get my starting position changed 3 times this year.
My points have been wrong and continue to be wrong after all we've been through on here
on july 5th i had 760 points.
on july 19th i was 3rd and 1st in my heats. 2nd in the feature. that's 104 points. it's on video.
last week you had me at 861...3 points short of the 864 i should have.
can you please change that for me and stop insulting peoples intelligence when you can't get your job right at the track?
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It seems like Wes won the battle, but he's going to lose the war at the same time.
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Well basically the season is over how many nights are left?? I just counted 6. What would you like 10 bucks back.
PS they have spell checker available on here ya know....
you should have spell checked your reply #101....don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.
and just because it's not you affected doesn't mean it's not a big deal that they are owed a refund of $10 or whatever...their season is over and that is sh*t for them.
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Wow, classy guys.
Move on from attacking track management to attacking the track score keeper.
Really classy.
Reality, you are not Earnhard trying for the Winston Million.. You drive a grocery getter for 20 bucks tow. No one except for you and your Mom car if you are 3 points out of 18th place in 4-funs.
To attack a lady who is nice enough to put her time into it is pathetic and speaks volumes about you as a person.
Try keeping score of 60+ cars yourself one night. You will make so many mistakes, and mistakes greater than 3 points, you will see how stupid you really sound.
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Wow, classy guys.
Move on from attacking track management to attacking the track score keeper.
Really classy.
Reality, you are not Earnhard trying for the Winston Million.. You drive a grocery getter for 20 bucks tow. No one except for you and your Mom car if you are 3 points out of 18th place in 4-funs.
To attack a lady who is nice enough to put her time into it is pathetic and speaks volumes about you as a person.
Try keeping score of 60+ cars yourself one night. You will make so many mistakes, and mistakes greater than 3 points, you will see how stupid you really sound.
Ross I think he is 3rd in the points, and we still have some problems with the line ups for the features, they seemed to be posted and changed on a weekly basis. Just asking for them to get it right. remember it was not us that said thing would be better it was Deb. Maybe she needs some extra help (not saying she can't do the job but Maybe she should just look after the thunders and late models).
Ross you seen to love to post on the Sunset Track, why don't you come and be a regular driver or at least watch each week. You will see that the 4 cyl is one of the best classes running.
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ya Ross come on up i'd love to see to see you run your 18.1's again, darn it i forgot Sat is my last night oh well to bad enjoy the rest of your season!!
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3 points is alot in our 4 cyl class, right now its the difference between being a champion or just 2nd place
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Wow, classy guys.
Move on from attacking track management to attacking the track score keeper.
Really classy.
Reality, you are not Earnhard trying for the Winston Million.. You drive a grocery getter for 20 bucks tow. No one except for you and your Mom car if you are 3 points out of 18th place in 4-funs.
To attack a lady who is nice enough to put her time into it is pathetic and speaks volumes about you as a person.
Try keeping score of 60+ cars yourself one night. You will make so many mistakes, and mistakes greater than 3 points, you will see how stupid you really sound.
ross...i would be more mad at your post if you knew me but you don't. madder still if you had a clue about whats happening at our track. you don't again.
think what you want.
didn't like her talking about peoples lack of common sense and insulting someones intelligence for spelling mistakes when she has made her fair share of mistakes with me alone...and spelling mistakes on here.
if everytime a mistake was made with you it went against you, and it happens more times than you can count on one hand on points and handicapping, and you are getting closer to the top but you are constantly double checking and finding sh*t...and you are me...this is what happens....
i don't care how important you think my racing is ross...
if you think it's so sh#t...why don't me make a bet and see who's car will turn a quicker lap at sunset lol
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if you think it's so sh#t...why don't me make a bet and see who's car will turn a quicker lap at sunset lol
Sure I'll take your money.. I'm not sure how you can knock an 18.1 lap time, it was my worst of the day, comeing sideways off the turn, but yet still fast than your track record 4-fun time. So if you want to bet my WORST against your best, bring it on..
Maybe Deb your scorer does need some help. WHY DON'T YOU HELP HER THEN??? Would give you an idea of how hard it is. You'll get to see what it feels like to be yelled at over 3 points, after TONS of hard work.
I do no first hand about your scoring. I've run there remeber. For the feature, I was starting everywhere from 15th to out to on the bubble, to out ect ect. I laughted. It wasn't life or death. What it did show was someone was working VERY HARD to get it right. I am thankful.. 38 cars, 2 heats each, that 76 score, just to set the field for the feature, on top of all the other racing.
Why do I comment about I track I don't run full time. Because its funny... You guys and your whining are shooting your shotgun at the bottom of the boat, while you are in the middle of the lake. You want to sink the whole thing, dosn't matter that much to me, cept, you might bring this attudute to wreck a track I do race at fulltime...
p.s. Deb mad fun of your spelling. Who cares. Look at mine. Point is we have spell check, she dosn't for her scoring....
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First...username is a Four Cylinder which (as has been stated already) is a close points battle. I don't blame him for being angry. You should get straight who you are attacking before doing so.
Next...Deb started the personal attacks in this thread (and others), so the "classy" move is on her now isn't it. Then you go attacking people you don't even know...seriously...
When is all this crap flinging going to stop here?? Just when it looks like it's gonna stop someone starts with the insults once again.
Mark
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if you think it's so sh#t...why don't me make a bet and see who's car will turn a quicker lap at sunset lol
Sure I'll take your money.. I'm not sure how you can knock an 18.1 lap time, it was my worst of the day, comeing sideways off the turn, but yet still fast than your track record 4-fun time. So if you want to bet my WORST against your best, bring it on..
Maybe Deb your scorer does need some help. WHY DON'T YOU HELP HER THEN??? Wouldgive you an idea of how hard it is. You'll get to see what it feels like to be yelled at over 3 points, after TONS of hard work.
I do no first hand about your scoring. I've run there remeber. For the feature, I was starting everywhere from 15th to out to on the bubble, to out ect ect. I laughted. It wasn't life or death. What it did show was someone was working VERY HARD to get it right. I am thankful.. 38 cars, 2 heats each, that 76 score, just to set the field for the feature, on top of all the other racing.
Why do I comment about I track I don't run full time. Because its funny... You guys and your whining are shooting your shotgun at the bottom of the boat, while you are in the middle of the lake. You want to sink the whole thing, dosn't matter that much to me, cept, you might bring this attudute to wreck a track I do race at fulltime...
p.s. Deb mad fun of your spelling. Who cares. Look at mine. Point is we have spell check, she dosn't for her scoring....
ross u missed the point. i don't care about spelling just hypocracy.
you are intelligent but you are dodging my points and twisting them and it's clear as day. u going on about me caring about spelling is weak...you've been there 1 night...
you ran an invitational or you just don't have a competitive bone in your body if you don't care where you start. if you don't care you must be heading to the back. comparing your trip to sunset with my season is apples to oranges....obviously you are in a different situation than me..
let's do it ross. u and me....i'll bet $200 i spank you and you're big red machine at sunset if you can keep her straight lol...i don't race 4-fun either, so your odds just got worse...
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if you think it's so sh#t...why don't me make a bet and see who's car will turn a quicker lap at sunset lol
Sure I'll take your money.. I'm not sure how you can knock an 18.1 lap time, it was my worst of the day, comeing sideways off the turn, but yet still fast than your track record 4-fun time. So if you want to bet my WORST against your best, bring it on..
Maybe Deb your scorer does need some help. WHY DON'T YOU HELP HER THEN??? Wouldgive you an idea of how hard it is. You'll get to see what it feels like to be yelled at over 3 points, after TONS of hard work.
I do no first hand about your scoring. I've run there remeber. For the feature, I was starting everywhere from 15th to out to on the bubble, to out ect ect. I laughted. It wasn't life or death. What it did show was someone was working VERY HARD to get it right. I am thankful.. 38 cars, 2 heats each, that 76 score, just to set the field for the feature, on top of all the other racing.
Why do I comment about I track I don't run full time. Because its funny... You guys and your whining are shooting your shotgun at the bottom of the boat, while you are in the middle of the lake. You want to sink the whole thing, dosn't matter that much to me, cept, you might bring this attudute to wreck a track I do race at fulltime...
p.s. Deb mad fun of your spelling. Who cares. Look at mine. Point is we have spell check, she dosn't for her scoring....
ross u missed the point. i don't care about spelling just hypocracy.
you are intelligent but you are dodging my points and twisting them and it's clear as day. u going on about me caring about spelling is weak...you've been there 1 night...
you ran an invitational or you just don't have a competitive bone in your body if you don't care where you start. if you don't care you must be heading to the back. comparing your trip to sunset with my season is apples to oranges....obviously you are in a different situation than me..
let's do it ross. u and me....i'll bet $200 i spank you and you're big red machine at sunset if you can keep her straight lol...i don't race 4-fun either, so your odds just got worse...
Its a mini-stock right? LOL you really want to lose your 200 that bad? I won't have a problem turning a 16.8ish.. Wanna really be the big man, bring it to Kawartha, and run it with some speed. Save me ahving to re-gear my car.
No I don't really care where I start. I like to start at the back actually. That way I get to pass more cars. Start at the front, and I don't get to pass anyone at best. Competiive enough for you? Its just the results are not life and death to me, and not enought to insult somone that is doing me a favor.
It's kinda like insulting my crew, that stayed up all night fixing my car. They could've done better, and I would've got one more positon... Look at it that way and you won't have help for very long.
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Ross did you not finish last in both of your heats?? and 19th in the feature. You always race with the fastest because they are lapping you Stop being a dill hole. Username has been a consistant top runner all year in a large field. You run at mosport with about 15 other cars and by the looks of things the only reason you are 5th is because of the low car count.
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**Yawn**
Here there is room for everybody.....have it 'er
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LOL!! Matty you are such a tool (and I mean that in the nicest possible way)... :) :)
Mark
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**Yawn**
Here there is room for everybody.....have it 'er
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hey slammer.....lol get off the high horse or i'm gonna go out and learn graphic design and come up with a real good graphic of me yellin' at you while you're waving the checkered flag at me as ross evans is going sideways out of turn 4 with a cro billboard in the background!!!!
and deb cheering me on from the scoring tower!!!
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by the way that sandbox belongs to wes lol ;D
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Ross did you not finish last in both of your heats?? and 19th in the feature. You always race with the fastest because they are lapping you Stop being a dill hole. Username has been a consistant top runner all year in a large field. You run at mosport with about 15 other cars and by the looks of things the only reason you are 5th is because of the low car count.
LOL! :D
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**Yawn**
Here there is room for everybody.....have it 'er
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yea there is room for us all here, but i think the cat has been in here again. ewww.
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OK.... Which 4-Fun drivers are seriously heading to Peterborough this Sat. I'd like a car personally so my decision to go will be well worth it Love to cheer the Sunset gang on . Let me know
Bill
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Im going ( terry) and Ash and Jeremy i think and 38 and 86 and Ryan is not sure.
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Ross did you not finish last in both of your heats?? and 19th in the feature. You always race with the fastest because they are lapping you Stop being a dill hole. Username has been a consistant top runner all year in a large field. You run at mosport with about 15 other cars and by the looks of things the only reason you are 5th is because of the low car count.
LOL! :D
Geeze Steve, still laughing, yet the only time we've met, I've come out on top? Rookie over, vetran driver, grew up in a race car? Tables were turned I'd kinda be leaving that one alone.
Since everyone is interested in my stats, here is a good one, July 13th from Kawartha, do notice Mr. Slaughter below me in 12th. Also notice that the 5 drivers that beat me, are all TRACK CHAMPIONS, except for Ryens, and he speaks for himself. So here it is.
1 53X Mike Poulton
2 14 Steve Mayhew
3 44 Dave Doucette
4 87 Willie Reyns
5 27 Donny Beatty
6 30 Ross Evans
7 69 Martin Martin
8 00 Craig Willoughby
9 12 Jamie Wagar
10 72 Derek Van Neste
11 53 Dave Landles
12 45 Steve Slaughter
13 77B Brian Strawn
14 51 Blake Watson
15 93 Andy Ford
16 09 Dan Price
17 3 Tom Petrou
18 8 Jeff Remington
19 87X Corey Lehman
50 points out of 5th at Kawartha, with 3 crashes in the first 4 weeks. Do remeber this is my rookie season, running 2 tracks full time, only thunder in the province except for Mayhew doing that.
Ok this is funny, I had to come back and correct this, I'm 33 not 50 points out of 5th, gonna have to beat myself with a wet noodle for that scoreing mistake LOL
My record stands on its own. What to try and beat me in a lower class car, down 100+ hp and street tires, be my guest.
Better yet, bring it to Kawartha this Friday night, run 2 tracks in one weekend, like I do EVERY weekend ;)
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At least he was nice enough to call me Mr.? LOL!! :D
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Ross did you not finish last in both of your heats?? and 19th in the feature.
Can you not count? What are you thinking!!!! I finished 16th not 19th!!!!!! Do I have to do everthing for you?
LOL, see how silly it really sounds.... But honestly, Peanut can even get a postion right thats posted online, and you want to burn your scorer at the post for 3 points...
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wow this is my first time on the site and it looks to me that it is just a website to bitch on for the weekend warrior i have been out of a race car for a few years now and i was dedicated to sunset for my 12 years that i raced. up until steve sold the track it was the best there was in ontario in my opinion we had 52 thunders at one point trying to make the 24 car feature and we never had the trouble that is there now. I am the person on dallas crew that had to go on to the track to help him up the stars with my dad and not one official was in sight to help or ask if he was ok. one of the clean up crew came down with the tow truck and flat out said he was on his own cause there is no medical help. that is a sad state of affairs and is unaceptable. the situation with the lack of yellows is terible there are cars half on the track with cars comin out of the corners and they are left there that is a bad time just waitin to happen and i know from experiance and it cost me a clip. the caution needs to be used more befor some one gets hurt badly.as for the 4 funs good on wes (who ever he is) for makin them add cages they are still race cars and some are just as fast as some road runners and there should be know limits to the safty of the drivers, i am a race fan first,i love the tracks i love the smells and the people we are a different breed and i hate to see people gettin hurt. i hope to have the 18 put back together so that i can see if i remember how to go fast and turn left. see ya at the tracks.
p.s. steve sr. i miss you as a owner of the track it has been down hill since you left, Jr i wish we could have raced against you one more time and Jeffy never forget old 39 what a lemon she was.
p.s.s. go get em herbie i am truly a fan you deserve another championship.
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Sorry guys I don't want a car I want a car count
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So ross evans, lets go back in time to that beaufitul day at kawartha! where steve slaughter went out first time in a thunder car on that track and oooooo won a heat! then proceeded to be doing quite well in the feature until a last lap incident and steve caught the tail end of it! but hey, juss remindin you! ;)
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Anyone one can win a car that has multiple championships. Do you not remember his camaro days???
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**Yawn**
Here there is room for everybody.....have it 'er
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SLAMMER ++ 10 ;D
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if you think it's so sh#t...why don't me make a bet and see who's car will turn a quicker lap at sunset lol
I'LL TAKE THAT BET TOO MYSELF AND USERNAME IN OUR MINI'S AGAINTS THE BIG RED THUNDER CAR!!!! WITH ONLY FOUR CYLINDERS I CAN RUN 17.0'S SO ONE MISTAKE AND YOUR BEAT 8)
Sure I'll take your money.. I'm not sure how you can knock an 18.1 lap time, it was my worst of the day, comeing sideways off the turn, but yet still fast than your track record 4-fun time. So if you want to bet my WORST against your best, bring it on..
Maybe Deb your scorer does need some help. WHY DON'T YOU HELP HER THEN??? Wouldgive you an idea of how hard it is. You'll get to see what it feels like to be yelled at over 3 points, after TONS of hard work.
I do no first hand about your scoring. I've run there remeber. For the feature, I was starting everywhere from 15th to out to on the bubble, to out ect ect. I laughted. It wasn't life or death. What it did show was someone was working VERY HARD to get it right. I am thankful.. 38 cars, 2 heats each, that 76 score, just to set the field for the feature, on top of all the other racing.
Why do I comment about I track I don't run full time. Because its funny... You guys and your whining are shooting your shotgun at the bottom of the boat, while you are in the middle of the lake. You want to sink the whole thing, dosn't matter that much to me, cept, you might bring this attudute to wreck a track I do race at fulltime...
p.s. Deb mad fun of your spelling. Who cares. Look at mine. Point is we have spell check, she dosn't for her scoring....
ross u missed the point. i don't care about spelling just hypocracy.
you are intelligent but you are dodging my points and twisting them and it's clear as day. u going on about me caring about spelling is weak...you've been there 1 night...
you ran an invitational or you just don't have a competitive bone in your body if you don't care where you start. if you don't care you must be heading to the back. comparing your trip to sunset with my season is apples to oranges....obviously you are in a different situation than me..
let's do it ross. u and me....i'll bet $200 i spank you and you're big red machine at sunset if you can keep her straight lol...i don't race 4-fun either, so your odds just got worse...
Its a mini-stock right? LOL you really want to lose your 200 that bad? I won't have a problem turning a 16.8ish.. Wanna really be the big man, bring it to Kawartha, and run it with some speed. Save me ahving to re-gear my car.
No I don't really care where I start. I like to start at the back actually. That way I get to pass more cars. Start at the front, and I don't get to pass anyone at best. Competiive enough for you? Its just the results are not life and death to me, and not enought to insult somone that is doing me a favor.
It's kinda like insulting my crew, that stayed up all night fixing my car. They could've done better, and I would've got one more positon... Look at it that way and you won't have help for very long.
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Anyone one can win a car that has multiple championships. Do you not remember his camaro days???
you could have the best car there is with the most motor and best handaling but your a limp dick if you cant drive and pick your spots. racing is alot more then just turning left.
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That is true but unless you can drive like Tom Walters who can win with a junk car the car makes a big difference
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So ross evans, lets go back in time to that beaufitul day at kawartha! where steve slaughter went out first time in a thunder car on that track and oooooo won a heat! then proceeded to be doing quite well in the feature until a last lap incident and steve caught the tail end of it! but hey, juss remindin you! ;)
And at the end of the day, you are only as good as the number you finsihed, now thats race'n..
Do remeber I had to make it through the same oil stick and around more cars piled up to make it to the finish...
And Steve, when you are that big, they call you mister ;) If it wasn't something to BEAT YOU then I wouldn't keep bringing up that I BEAT YOU.
Also racing a 17 second car agaist a car that when not setup, with a driver fresh to that track, turing the same time and putting money on it, may not be the best idea. If I can get a 16.7 then I can still run a 17.2 and beat you, and there is a free mistake.. I know you want to make me look silly, but the odds are stacked against you.
But I am game, and I will put my money up. I would suggest AC. Saves me using the excuse that you have more track time right?
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OK.... Which 4-Fun drivers are seriously heading to Peterborough this Sat. I'd like a car personally so my decision to go will be well worth it Love to cheer the Sunset gang on . Let me know
Bill
Bill! I am! And I'm taking your trailor with me. Is that okay? haha If you want it back to take your car to peterborough you totally can.
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And Steve, when you are that big, they call you mister ;) If it wasn't something to BEAT YOU then I wouldn't keep bringing up that I BEAT YOU.
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Group hug! ;)
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^^ LOL You guys are too funny^^
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Hey guys sorry if I offended anyone on here. The spelling thing was more of a joke, my kids spell the same way, I wasn't born yesterday I understand that's just slang!!
As far as making mistakes damn straight I do. Right now I am keeping track of 140 registered drivers in all 4 divisions. That doesn't mean that they are at the track each night but their points etc still have to be worked out.
When I took over On June 7th, Sunset already had 5 nights under it's belt for racing. I took home the score sheets (might I add that had been done on scrap paper) I spent hours of my own time working out the best finishes possible. Do you realize how hard this was, I had to literally go car by car, lap by lap for each car in every divison. Over and over again for five nights to get the numbers I did and be as accurate as I could be.
I was origionally told that the feature line ups were based over the last three nights of running. I included the heat points in these totals only to find out I think it was two weeks later that it was based on the feature points only and it was the highest 3 points nights out of the last 5 run. Anyway this definately makes a difference in starting line ups and the changes were made. I primarily have been working on my own in the tower with little to no back up. I have been able to get Karen Case to come back on board with us (there is a god) as Karen and I work awesome together. Although Karen has some previous commitments and can't be there everynight.
Might I add I was asked to handicapp and score the features. Right now I'm scoring all heat races and handicapping and yes your right it's causing errors to be made. But like I've told you before and I'll say it again when I'm approached I do the best I can to correct the problem.
And Mark you might have been at Sunset for 4+ years but I've spent a lifetime there, even watched it being built. I have been apart of racing from every angle, my father built the track and raced on it in the early years, my brother raced, my stepfather raced, I've toured every track in Ontario and the majority of the states.
Please don't make me out to be just some dumb broad that is over opinionated!!!!
Not that this is anyones fault but I have a demanding job and lately have had to work 60+ hours a week and I'm sure this probably hasn't helped in the mistake department....
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Well Deb for what it is worth when things were screwy in the beginning and we all were at our wits end wondering how it kept going on and on I approached you and found you to be a sweetheart... a breath of fresh air. There are a few people like this at the track but I do see as time goes on the stress of things showing on the faces of people working at the track. I am sure you know what I am talking about.
Add to that some choose to not speak in public or simply offer nice replies in forums like this but I have talked to many in person and enough to get a general feeling that there is a large percentage of unhappy workers at the track. If you combine that with racers it doesn't make for a good mix.
I wouldn't want to touch your job with a ten foot pole. I know it looked like it ran smooth in the past but I also know how it was ran then too....lol. There was a person watching the front of the pack and another watching the back. Upon restarts the back of pack watcher would offer up positions only to be told they weren't needed. The people from mid pack back don't pay as much attention to those kind of things.
I think it is just a bunch of little things that add up and by reading your posts this week I can see you have some frustrations too all of which I am sure are for good reasons. What we all need is a sense of calm and reason in the middle of all this and for somebody to say everything will be ok and put some smiles on the faces of staff and drivers.
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...Please don't make me out to be just some dumb broad that is over opinionated!!!!
Well I don't remember anywhere along the line calling you a "dumb broad", so unless you're joking please don't put words in my mouth Deb. But the 10 dollar comment was not called for. Since you profess to have been so involved in the track in year's past, put yourself in a driver's shoes just for a few minutes and think how they feel right now.
Believe it or not I respect what you have on your plate there (remember I did all the points and stat from 2004-2006 so I know what it is about). But others have opinions here too.
Mark
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Hey guys sorry if I offended anyone on here. The spelling thing was more of a joke, my kids spell the same way, I wasn't born yesterday I understand that's just slang!!
As far as making mistakes damn straight I do. Right now I am keeping track of 140 registered drivers in all 4 divisions. That doesn't mean that they are at the track each night but their points etc still have to be worked out.
When I took over On June 7th, Sunset already had 5 nights under it's belt for racing. I took home the score sheets (might I add that had been done on scrap paper) I spent hours of my own time working out the best finishes possible. Do you realize how hard this was, I had to literally go car by car, lap by lap for each car in every divison. Over and over again for five nights to get the numbers I did and be as accurate as I could be.
I was origionally told that the feature line ups were based over the last three nights of running. I included the heat points in these totals only to find out I think it was two weeks later that it was based on the feature points only and it was the highest 3 points nights out of the last 5 run. Anyway this definately makes a difference in starting line ups and the changes were made. I primarily have been working on my own in the tower with little to no back up. I have been able to get Karen Case to come back on board with us (there is a god) as Karen and I work awesome together. Although Karen has some previous commitments and can't be there everynight.
Might I add I was asked to handicapp and score the features. Right now I'm scoring all heat races and handicapping and yes your right it's causing errors to be made. But like I've told you before and I'll say it again when I'm approached I do the best I can to correct the problem.
And Mark you might have been at Sunset for 4+ years but I've spent a lifetime there, even watched it being built. I have been apart of racing from every angle, my father built the track and raced on it in the early years, my brother raced, my stepfather raced, I've toured every track in Ontario and the majority of the states.
Please don't make me out to be just some dumb broad that is over opinionated!!!!
Not that this is anyones fault but I have a demanding job and lately have had to work 60+ hours a week and I'm sure this probably hasn't helped in the mistake department....
if the job is too hard to do by yourself without making mistakes tell wes you can't do it alone and he needs to have another person there full time to help you so they are right.
if they are going to be wrong why bother keeping track in the first place...
i don't envy your position but if you are in charge you are responsible for the job, so any changes you need have to be brought forward by you to wes or nothing will get better.
maybe one less division will help....
we should start scoring with smaller #'s or hire more help for the scorer....whatever it takes for accuracy.
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If you had of read in my post we have Karen on board to help out.
Mistakes I don't care if 10 people are up there to do the job they are gonna happen.
As far as not being able to do the job I kept track of over 250 cars one year for Steve Slaughter in the wonder years and had no difficulty. It honestly hasn't helped starting part way thru the season.
But username if it would make you happy I could quite tonight and have fun racing. That's how silly you sound!!!
It's no like every other person out on the street has experience handicapping or scoring stock cars. Trust me I'd love help but it's not that simple.
Username in a perfect world there would be no mistakes, unfortunately that's impossible!!!!
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If you had of read in my post we have Karen on board to help out.
Mistakes I don't care if 10 people are up there to do the job they are gonna happen.
As far as not being able to do the job I kept track of over 250 cars one year for Steve Slaughter in the wonder years and had no difficulty. It honestly hasn't helped starting part way thru the season.
But username if it would make you happy I could quite tonight and have fun racing. That's how silly you sound!!!
It's no like every other person out on the street has experience handicapping or scoring stock cars. Trust me I'd love help but it's not that simple.
Username in a perfect world there would be no mistakes, unfortunately that's impossible!!!!
deb i did read your post. you said she can't be there every night. i said you should have someone to help you every night....i know i sound silly but you making mistakes that only hurt me when the father of your grandchild is leading the points makes you look shady.
i don't want to fight anymore...sorry if i offended you but i'm frustrated..
i'm sure you are with me too....so we're even lol
see you at the track....
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Deb... My 55 4-fun car has not even been shown in the points standings for some time now I have inquired about it but.. same old same old
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Hey guys sorry if I offended anyone on here. The spelling thing was more of a joke, my kids spell the same way, I wasn't born yesterday I understand that's just slang!!
As far as making mistakes damn straight I do. Right now I am keeping track of 140 registered drivers in all 4 divisions. That doesn't mean that they are at the track each night but their points etc still have to be worked out.
When I took over On June 7th, Sunset already had 5 nights under it's belt for racing. I took home the score sheets (might I add that had been done on scrap paper) I spent hours of my own time working out the best finishes possible. Do you realize how hard this was, I had to literally go car by car, lap by lap for each car in every divison. Over and over again for five nights to get the numbers I did and be as accurate as I could be.
I was origionally told that the feature line ups were based over the last three nights of running. I included the heat points in these totals only to find out I think it was two weeks later that it was based on the feature points only and it was the highest 3 points nights out of the last 5 run. Anyway this definately makes a difference in starting line ups and the changes were made. I primarily have been working on my own in the tower with little to no back up. I have been able to get Karen Case to come back on board with us (there is a god) as Karen and I work awesome together. Although Karen has some previous commitments and can't be there everynight.
Might I add I was asked to handicapp and score the features. Right now I'm scoring all heat races and handicapping and yes your right it's causing errors to be made. But like I've told you before and I'll say it again when I'm approached I do the best I can to correct the problem.
And Mark you might have been at Sunset for 4+ years but I've spent a lifetime there, even watched it being built. I have been apart of racing from every angle, my father built the track and raced on it in the early years, my brother raced, my stepfather raced, I've toured every track in Ontario and the majority of the states.
Please don't make me out to be just some dumb broad that is over opinionated!!!!
Not that this is anyones fault but I have a demanding job and lately have had to work 60+ hours a week and I'm sure this probably hasn't helped in the mistake department....
Deb is the very best there is! so you guys and gals leave her alone, she has a job to do, that I for one could never do! just be thankfull that we have Deb Karen and Frenchie in the tower (not one but three) to make sure you are well taken care of.
Wes Good
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...Please don't make me out to be just some dumb broad that is over opinionated!!!!
Well I don't remember anywhere along the line calling you a "dumb broad", so unless you're joking please don't put words in my mouth Deb. But the 10 dollar comment was not called for. Since you profess to have been so involved in the track in year's past, put yourself in a driver's shoes just for a few minutes and think how they feel right now.
Believe it or not I respect what you have on your plate there (remember I did all the points and stat from 2004-2006 so I know what it is about). But others have opinions here too.
Mark
Mark for a man that is not a racer, not a pit crew, and not a sponsor of any cars that I am aware of you sure have a lot to say! is that because you are an OPP OFFICER and you think that you comments merit more notice than others? or are you just a Joker trying to stir things up?
Either way I am not impressed with some of you remarks! and I know some of it stems from the fact that you wee fired from Sunset(?)
but remarks like this are on called for
(But the 10 dollar comment was not called for. Since you profess to have been so involved in the track in year's past, put yourself in a driver's shoes just for a few minutes and think how they feel right now.)
This ladys father built this track! and he also raced on it ! and when I took it over he helped me a great deal getting started! he is a friend of all racers and a friend of anyone who knew him!
He was a great father, and grand father !
Now for your Question, (put yourself in a driver's shoes just for a few minutes and think how they feel right now.) ? am I missing something here?
How do the fans and the sponsors and the owners feel???
We don't all get a great paycheck from the OPP each week. we have to work hard to earn our money! not beeing nasty just a coment.
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After reading the above post i relize i made the right choice in leaving Sunset and going to Peterborough .
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...Please don't make me out to be just some dumb broad that is over opinionated!!!!
Well I don't remember anywhere along the line calling you a "dumb broad", so unless you're joking please don't put words in my mouth Deb. But the 10 dollar comment was not called for. Since you profess to have been so involved in the track in year's past, put yourself in a driver's shoes just for a few minutes and think how they feel right now.
Believe it or not I respect what you have on your plate there (remember I did all the points and stat from 2004-2006 so I know what it is about). But others have opinions here too.
Mark
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Mark I said 'DON'T MAKE ME OUT TO BE SOME DUMB BROAD", I never said you called me that.
Yes I do know you did the points and yes I did leave after the 2003 season. So I was gone for 4 years.
I think I can well put myself in a drivers postion. My brother raced and won numerous championships, my stepfather and now my husband. I do understand their frustration but......if you were pulled over on the highway by the mto and they told you, your car is unsafe either fix it or park it..........are you gonna wine and cry about it??? you don't get any notice it's an immediate thing.
Anyway Mark I have nothing against you, we actually did work together in 2003 and you did a great job of the web-site when you were doing it. Yes your right were are all entitled to our opinions on here. Anyway that said, happy posting.
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Mark for a man that is not a racer, not a pit crew, and not a sponsor of any cars that I am aware of you sure have a lot to say! is that because you are an OPP OFFICER and you think that you comments merit more notice than others? or are you just a Joker trying to stir things up?
Either way I am not impressed with some of you remarks! and I know some of it stems from the fact that you wee fired from Sunset(?)
but remarks like this are on called for
(But the 10 dollar comment was not called for. Since you profess to have been so involved in the track in year's past, put yourself in a driver's shoes just for a few minutes and think how they feel right now.)
This ladys father built this track! and he also raced on it ! and when I took it over he helped me a great deal getting started! he is a friend of all racers and a friend of anyone who knew him!
He was a great father, and grand father !
Now for your Question, (put yourself in a driver's shoes just for a few minutes and think how they feel right now.) ? am I missing something here?
How do the fans and the sponsors and the owners feel???
We don't all get a great paycheck from the OPP each week. we have to work hard to earn our money! not beeing nasty just a coment.
*Sigh*
OK, I'm going to go over this again. I am NOT an OPP officer, have never told anyone I am, and whoever told you that is either a liar or has assumed I am one because I work for them. Get this through your head and STOP making false statements.
Noone said my comments have more merit than others. But I DO have more recent experience with this group of drivers and staff than you or Deb, plus last I checked we are all entitled to our opinions. If you don't like them, that's too bad. So far I don't like your comments here so we're even.
And as for me being FIRED, that is an out and out lie. I quit for my own personal reasons - one of then being I felt I wasn't spending enough time doing the website - but after seeing what you have turned it in to, I coulda done it in a coma and it would have been better. If there was anyone who was fired it was Deb at the end of 2003.
You, once again, have crossed the line. And you ARE being nasty. I cannot believe the crap you post as the OWNER of the speedway. You should have a lot more decorum than that.
Mark
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Mark save your breath bud, it just aint worth it!!!! All I can say is after my Dad and I spent the better part of 30 years at Sunset you now see why I'm glad I'm smart enough not to attend races there now!!! Hope to see you and Mel at BSW soon bud and say hi to her for me!!! So when did you become a cop buddy??? LOL
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Mark save your breath bud, it just aint worth it!!!! All I can say is after my Dad and I spent the better part of 30 years at Sunset you now see why I'm glad I'm smart enough not to attend races there now!!! Hope to see you and Mel at BSW soon bud and say hi to her for me!!! So when did you become a cop buddy??? LOL
Well that's kinda the point, I'm not. :)
Woulda last night but we went to PTBO instead to support the Four Funs that went. It was a messed up night with cautions and the curfew, but was fun nonetheless.
Mark
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Mark
How many 4 funs from Sunset ended up at Peterborough?
Oh and btw congrats on the new job..lol
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Mark
How many 4 funs from Sunset ended up at Peterborough?
Oh and btw congrats on the new job..lol
Just Bill and Jeremy. I understand that others didn't come because of a one week entension, but it sounds like they got screwed over anyway.
Bill's quote of the night: "I got the 'fun' back." It was nice to see the boys grinning ear to ear. :)
Mark
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Mark
How many 4 fun's from Sunset ended up at Peterborough?
There was only 3 of us after i had received several messages from people that said they were going to go to Pete . We got a nice welcome from J P who said he was glad we made the trip . We ran 2nd in the first heat and won the second heat . We were the car to beat in the feature and on the way to winning it when some local knuckle dragger decided he wanted to wreck us rather then see us win . He was black flagged and should of been disqualified for the rest of the year for going Amanda Connelly on us but i doubt he will be . We do have a lot of work to fix the car but will be back to whip their butts next week .
It was nice to see Sunsets Fred and Glen working at the track , they looked like they were having a good time .
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Fred and Glenn working at the track?
HUH
What were they doing?
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Fred and Glenn working at the track?
HUH
What were they doing?
Which planet are you from, it was the buzz last night at the track. Glen has bought Ptbo Speedway paid out J.P. and Kim Wallace,he takes over as soon as the regular season is done, it will be Glens for the fall colors he did it just like the owners of Barrie did when they bought the track to get their hands on the Nascar Race big money at the flea market last year. Fred is now retired and on board to help Glen after way too much B/S at Sunset.
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Well I am wondering what planet I am from. I talked to a lot of people and never heard anything about that. HMMMM.
There goes any notions that Glenn is coming back to Sunset.
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"There was only 3 of us after i had received several messages from people that said they were going to go to Pete . We got a nice welcome from J P who said he was glad we made the trip . We ran 2nd in the first heat and won the second heat . We were the car to beat in the feature and on the way to winning it when some local knuckle dragger decided he wanted to wreck us rather then see us win . He was black flagged and should of been disqualified for the rest of the year for going Amanda Connelly on us but i doubt he will be . We do have a lot of work to fix the car but will be back to whip their butts next week".
So you must be the 38 car that went 3 wide and drove into the side of the 3 and x cars in corner 3.
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Mark save your breath bud, it just aint worth it!!!! All I can say is after my Dad and I spent the better part of 30 years at Sunset you now see why I'm glad I'm smart enough not to attend races there now!!! Hope to see you and Mel at BSW soon bud and say hi to her for me!!! So when did you become a cop buddy??? LOL
Well that's kinda the point, I'm not. :)
Woulda last night but we went to PTBO instead to support the Four Funs that went. It was a messed up night with cautions and the curfew, but was fun nonetheless.
Mark
Why not stay and sunset and support the 4-funs that RUN SAFE???
Sounds like you got what you deserved at Peteborough..
So after making a 2 hour drive to Peterborough, are you not mad at them? Yet how a lady scores cars that you don't even drive makes you upset?
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Mark
How many 4 fun's from Sunset ended up at Peterborough?
We were the car to beat in the feature and on the way to winning it when some local knuckle dragger decided he wanted to wreck us rather then see us win . He was black flagged and should of been disqualified for the rest of the year for going Amanda Connelly on us but i doubt he will be . We do have a lot of work to fix the car but will be back to whip their butts next week .
I can't figure you out for the life of me. Can you please explain your thinking...
1) you spend 80 bucks in gas to save putting in 65 bucks worth of tube
2) you run at peterborough, and "some knuckle dragger decided he wants to wreck us" and yet you still don't get it to put a cage and seat in your car
3) As a result of going to peterborough you "have to work you butt off" to fix your car this week, which ia assume is more effort that putting a cage and seat in your car, but you don't have a problem with that.
What makes you tick?
I think what we have here is a case of what we see in nature. Survival of the fittest. In this case you are a danger to yourself.
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maybe 38 should learn how to drive and not wreck cause if you want to play then lets play aka in your words clean racer what a joke
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rossevans you really make me chuckle........... an eexpert on every thing , you seem to be , don't be jealous because some of us have finally found the 4-Fun secret again. ........ FUN...... FUN..... FUN
sincerly , Wild Bill
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rossevans you really make me chuckle........... an eexpert on every thing , you seem to be , don't be jealous because some of us have finally found the 4-Fun secret again. ........ FUN...... FUN..... FUN
sincerly , Wild Bill
You want to know the secret, you can't handle the secret.....
INJURY...AMPUTATION...DEATH
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Mark save your breath bud, it just aint worth it!!!! All I can say is after my Dad and I spent the better part of 30 years at Sunset you now see why I'm glad I'm smart enough not to attend races there now!!! Hope to see you and Mel at BSW soon bud and say hi to her for me!!! So when did you become a cop buddy??? LOL
Well that's kinda the point, I'm not. :)
Woulda last night but we went to PTBO instead to support the Four Funs that went. It was a messed up night with cautions and the curfew, but was fun nonetheless.
Mark
Why not stay and sunset and support the 4-funs that RUN SAFE???
Sounds like you got what you deserved at Peteborough..
So after making a 2 hour drive to Peterborough, are you not mad at them? Yet how a lady scores cars that you don't even drive makes you upset?
Got what I deserved? Yeah, we had fun. And there weren't any deaths even.
Mark
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Well I am wondering what planet I am from. I talked to a lot of people and never heard anything about that. HMMMM.
There goes any notions that Glenn is coming back to Sunset.
I do believe alan evans is pulling your leg. :)
Actually the three of us helped out JP in cleanup, and frig we were busy! It was a lot of fun and we got a great workout cheering on the boys too. :)
Mark
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Ross we have a mini stock in the works for next year and have no intention of building a $ 65 cage like you have in your Thunder car in any of our cars . It does not cost us anywhere near $ 80 in fuel to go to Pete we have a fuel efficient hauler . You can get wrecked by an idiot at any race track as they are at all tracks even Kawartha in the Thunder car class from what i understand . Our car is really not that bad i just have a busy work week coming up and will have to find some time to get it ready so we can go back and win both heats and the main next week and maybe exact a little revenge .
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Holland landing you may have to get through me next week if you want that hat trick your talkin about, i may make a ptbro appearence. how did the car run there and are you up to there minimum weight. Did you guys get any lap times as i know the track is much faster than sunset?
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Ross we have a mini stock in the works for next year and have no intention of building a $ 65 cage like you have in your Thunder car in any of our cars . It does not cost us anywhere near $ 80 in fuel to go to Pete we have a fuel efficient hauler . You can get wrecked by an idiot at any race track as they are at all tracks even Kawartha in the Thunder car class from what i understand . Our car is really not that bad i just have a busy work week coming up and will have to find some time to get it ready so we can go back and win both heats and the main next week and maybe exact a little revenge .
Friend, you are now talking about starting a demolition derby, on a track, without a cage.. Think about it...
As for 80 bucks, I live down the road from Peterborough Speedway, and thats what it cost me to haul to sunset and back in a 1/2 ton 2-door Ram Hemi, towing 5,000 lbs. Lets say you tow with an electic car, and it cost you $30 bucks in hydro.. After your trip next week you are still around the same price as the tube.
I understand you are building a mini next year (going to try and get the rules change for no cage there? ;) ). But unless you are a welder/fitter by trade, you are not going to the best job at your 1st cage. Why not practice installing one in your 4-fun car, so that when you get into your new build, you are that much better at it...
Besides, you will need to buy a seat and a cell for mini class anyhow, why not buy them now, and get the use out of them this year?
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Fred and Glenn working at the track?
HUH
What were they doing?
Which planet are you from, it was the buzz last night at the track. Glen has bought Ptbo Speedway paid out J.P. and Kim Wallace,he takes over as soon as the regular season is done, it will be Glens for the fall colors he did it just like the owners of Barrie did when they bought the track to get their hands on the Nascar Race big money at the flea market last year. Fred is now retired and on board to help Glen after way too much B/S at Sunset.
Canadian Racing Online. Home of stupid, stupid rumours since 2007.
alan, you have absolutely no idea how many people you fooled with this post. My phone rang all night.
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quote It was nice to see Sunsets Fred and Glen working at the track , they looked like they were having a good time .quote
Actually if you look back Spencer it was holland landing that started the posting about Glen and Fred.
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then holland landing fooled dozens of gullible people ;)
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then holland landing fooled dozens of gullible people ;)
I assure you Fred and Glen were working at Pete on Saturday night and i was as surprised as anyone to see them there . Spencer you have Glens # give him a call and ask him .
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then holland landing fooled dozens of gullible people ;)
I assure you Fred and Glen were working at Pete on Saturday night and i was as surprised as anyone to see them there . Spencer you have Glens # give him a call and ask him .
oh Fred and Glen WERE there on Saturday, absolutely. Glen's helped JP out on more than one occasion this year. However I can confirm 110% that Glen has NOT purchased Peterborough lol
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You tell them Spencer. These guys are nuts.