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Canadian Oval / Road Racing => Canadian Tracks => Peterborough Speedway => Topic started by: barrieboy on September 05, 2010, 01:47:18 AM
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Whos going? whos not?
Its already getting to be that time of the year to be thinking about it... Hopefully mother nature isnt a bitch, as i am going to be driving in from alberta just to get some racing action in... I missed last year so i ll be in the barn with a vengence this year lol...
Hope to see a really good turn out this year!! and racing like no other weekend as per usual!!
Cheers
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I'm planing on run again this year as long as my car isn't sold by then.
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never know...right now we are leaning to no due to last year...but we tend to race ay race possible...lol....so that may change
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Going! Would not miss a chance to tear off the whole body again! Its the only mans race of the whole year!
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Wouldn't miss it for anything..............even a realy good friends wedding in Chicago.
Well put Charlie it is a mans race! See you there men
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For what it's worth, the #04 mini stock Racing Civic from Sunset Speedway is going. LOVE that racing weekend, the place has never been too kind to me/us but I/we ALWAYS come back for more.....................can't wait!!!! the Love's #04
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Well Mr. Daley, if you are coming in from Alberta to attend Autumn Colours I just might have to meet up with you and have a few pops!!!
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well as long as everyone has a car thats running.. and hopefully afterwards also
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after last year...I think your all crazy........but I guess thats what makes you racers :D
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Well Mr. Daley, if you are coming in from Alberta to attend Autumn Colours I just might have to meet up with you and have a few pops!!!
Im totally in for a few pops :) I ll be easy to find as well lol.. Look for the newer blue silverado with alberta plates 8)
Usually found at the circle of love lol
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joe were coming for sunday 2 reasons
1 .i havent seen u in a long time
2 racing .....mine was 2 short
gonna be good real good
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35 racing will be there have to redeem ourselves from the chase to the colours lol
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joe were coming for sunday 2 reasons
1 .i havent seen u in a long time
2 racing .....mine was 2 short
gonna be good real good
Awesome dude!! That makes the weekend even better!! see ya soon
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#81 of Andrew Gresel will be there ...
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I wonder if the # 17 kevin cornelius will be there in that new ride i seen him loading at sunset last sat. That McColl car that walters was driving was a rocketship,will definately keep kevin upfront.
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I thought I saw that car for sale in the classifieds...
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will be there! with bells on ;)
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yaaaaaaaa, return of the boat!!!
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will be there! with bells on ;)
awsome see you there luc
8)
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Count me in. I cant wait.
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Staying @ Emily park this year .10km away Don't have to worry about getting a spot No generators running allnight ,hydro showers, and camp fires aloud
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Emily Park is a great spot. I live 5 minutes away from there. I think a lot of out of town race fans stay there, you'll bump into a few no doubt! Like you said, it'll be all yours too, not near 1/4 capacity at this time of year.
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does anybody know how late they keep the pits open for parking on thursday night? thanks
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I'd call ahead to get a definitive answer. Last year it was open until 10 ish.
IMO, I'd say : It depends....(weather, amount of people, etc.)
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Got here lastnight(Thursday) around 6pm and it was already packed! Tons of cars and campers already. We were able to get tech done as well which was nice. Huge line of cars and trailers parked in line waiting to get in this morning. Not a cloud in the sky and the forcast is the same for the whole weekend! Gonna be a great one!!
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Is anyone going to post pics throughout the weekend?
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Anyone that like pm me and you can send them me via blackberry or email and I will post them. Also we have TapaTalk in stalled on the site and you can post to the forums with this app. It's a free app for blackberry users and Android but a 2.99 fee for Iphones. (U know apple has to make money?)
You can find us by searching for Team CRO on the TapaTalk Network.
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what open wheel modifieds are there?
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Spencer says there are over 170 cars in the pits, heats are due to start soon.
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Thanks for the update Dan
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22 Pro Late Models, heats went to Sheperd, Parker, Chenowith.
McHattie had a 2nd and Watson a second in his heat
Thunders up next!
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35 Thunders first rounds going to 53 (Ottawa?), Britt, Hallyburton and Grubb. JR Fitzpatrick had a 5th in the last heat.
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Thanks for the updates Dan.
53 (Ottawa?)
If it's a black 90's monte carlo I believe thats,Todd Musker
Does Sheperd just have his LM there...or LLM as well?
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Sheperd has both cars tonite yes. The limiteds are up now!
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28 LLM. Heat 1 Inglis, Kamrath, D Baker. Heat 2: J Baker Jr, Walters, Tiemersma. Heat 3: 54 Bull, Foster, Sheperd. Heat 4: Malcolm, Mitchell, Parker, Herbie Walters!
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Herd in a LLM? Interesting
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Thanks for the updates, Dan; Appreciate it! Looks like things are going good so far.
Is Herb running Grossman's late model btw?
MS Update - I do kno that Nicole Podewils finished second in her heat, nothing else heard there thou
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Yes, Nicole got a second, and Herbie is in the 88 LLm, the same one grosman ran.
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Good start to AC for us!
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Just a bit of an update...
SuperLates first round of heats. Heat 1: Charlie Gallant followed by Glenn Watson. Heat 2 Lloyd Ritchie followed by Hanley.
Pro Lates: Heat 4: 22 Ramsey, Bentley. Heat 5: Shaw, Kimball, Mercer Heat 6: Lakey, B Watson, Gressel
Thunder Heats: Doucette, Davenport, Smith, Isherwood
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Thanks for the updates, Dan!
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What are the car counts for OSCAAR, Open Wheel Modifieds and Mini-Stocks?
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LLM heat 5: Holdaway, Kamrath, Baker. Heat 6: Tom Walters, Tiemersma, JBJr. Heat 7: 28 Wilke (Shepherd 6th). Heat 8: Herb Walters, Mitchell, Malcolm.
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Probably 17 OSCAAR, 16 Modifieds, I think I heard Spencer say 47 minis vying for 30 spots. Nicole Podewils just won her heat
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OSCAAR final heats went to 7T Dunford, and 48 Baker
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Thanks Dan . Seems like Sunset drivers are well represented and doing pretty good.
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Big Thanks to everyone who is keeping us people who couldn't make it, in the loop of things going on at Peterborough.Keep up the great job!!
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B main # 1 for mini. 40,16,31,13,91. B-main 2 off to a rough start 36,99 hard wreck on the backstretch
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MS B-main # 2 02,81,04,91,68. TC B-main up next 17 cars for 5 spots
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Wild B main so far lap 12- 46 Zardo,09 Price, 48 Zardo,73 Top 4 advance
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46,73,10,48
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thanks soooo much for the updates guys, killing me to be at home. appreciate it alot. any news on the baker- chenoweth brawl last night, heard the cops were there and everything.
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Dramatic turn of events in LLM B-main, Holden and Parker crash hard coming to the green and both look done, 2 good cars missing the A
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The remaining 5 cars make tomorrows feature. LLM B main was cancelled shortly after the wreck.
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thanks soooo much for the updates guys, killing me to be at home. appreciate it alot. any news on the baker- chenoweth brawl last night, heard the cops were there and everything.
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...Heard Mrs. B taken to jail along with others.
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Yah. Minor. Free bed n breakfast. Lol. Sherrie is awesome.
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NO SHIT????
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Way to go Lane on the B-Main and thx for the updates. Can't wait to be there for the fun tomorrow.
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Forgot to charge my phone its almost dead so I can't do updates from today. Believe ontariooval.com has live updates so you can follow along there.
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J.R Fitzpatrick Damn, up to top 5 and blew a rr tire.. Then the tire we end up putting on ended up giving me 1/4 stagger in the rear. She was TIGHT after that. Ohwell. Had fun..congrats to the 35 team on there win.
Chris Burrage Well it over. And I finished 2nd, not bad for my last run ever.
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Does anyone know who did what in Thunders,was following Ontariooval.com till their stream went kaput.
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Top 3 was. 35-Isherwood, 9-Burrage, 36 Grubb. Clean Feature 2 yellows in first 15 laps and that was it.
LLM lap 45: 47,35,22,7,10
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WILD last lap 22 Mitchell pushes 47 Walters out of the lead in 1, then Walters dumps 22 in turn 3 yellow out. 35,7,69,48,88 G/W/C to settle it
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Scary wreck in turn 1, 4 Meyer VIOLENT hit goes flyeing thre the air and smashes into the wall off the pit opening in turn 1. Mike is ok
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Called the race. 35 Cameron wins
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Winners on the day.
MD-Wilson
MS-Junkin(spelling?)
LM-Chenoweth( again sorry on the spelling)
Oscaar-B. Watson
TC-Isherwood
LLM-Cameron
4FN- somebody will have to fill us in on that one as I left after LLM
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Who helped Mike wreck?
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the LLM winner was #35 andy kamrath.
Not Cameron like prevs post says
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Sorry, I by mistake put a C instead of K and my auto spell check on my phone changed it, then I copyped/pasted without looking haha
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Just to clear the air. I heard that people were saying the 36 and myself were Dq'd. Not true I finished second and passed tech. Thanks Chris
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Congrats to Chance and Chris on their runs, and all the thunder guys for using their heads for a change!
I lost control plain and simple running in second, I have no excuse. But I made sure to swing it into the wall rather then come across the track and cause another 15 car pileup for everyone.
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Well..........what a disappointment for the 47 of Walters.....he had past the finish line before the yellow was thrown....and therefore should be the rightfull winner of the LLM feature. However....truly bad officiating is to blame here....as some of these drivers should have been brought up short when they started racing prior to the pace car being off the track........I believe that it is the lead car that sets the pace!!!! That 22 LLM has a lot to learn...and I believe that he will in fact face his fate in the future. His arrogance in the pits after "words" with Walters goes to prove that his day will come. And just think....if they had of given the rightful win to Walters....the crash with the number 4 car would not have happened.......another result of bad officiating. And not to mention.....the PLM feature.....that was the most pathetic race of "pro's" that I have ever seen. The Oscaar race was great, even the fight with Hanley....true colors there!!
And for the 99 LLM.......must say you looked very good on the hook at the end of the race!!! And if you need to know what I'm talking about....ask your little GF!!! Things will always come back to bite you in the ass when you mess with the wrong ppl....next year...maybe she will keep her mouth shut!!!
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I would have had no problem with them calling the LLM feature after the last lap incident (giving 3rd place the win)...but how you figure Walters should have won? ...... you spin somebody you go to the back.... same rules on the last lap as the first.
I think a lot of people would have done what Walters did......Mitchell pushed him out of the way in turn-1/2 although thats good hard racing on the last lap, he didn't dump him like Walters did to Mitchell, but I get it last lap at Autumn Colours and you just got moved out of the lead your gonna be mad. But I don't see how you can justify your point in saying Walters should have won that race, unless your argument is that there should be no penalty for spinning people out.
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Anybody get video of the thunder B? Especialy footage of the lap when I drove from 9th to 2nd. I'm kinda bummed out that I didn't make the show when I thought I had a plenty fast enough car to make it, but got stuck in a very strong heat with a loose race car. I'm sure it was a pretty spectaclar looking lap and could use the smile, also any footage of my dukes of hazard launch off of turn 1 might be fun to watch.
Great show by the thunder guys! And what a great LLM race too. Nice to see jeff Hanley get his due and Brandon win.
I will not settle for watching the thundercar feature from the pits next year.
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Polaris,
It's okay to be a #47 Fan ( I frequently talk to Walters), but # 22 of Chris Mitchell ran a solid race. Chris coming out of Turn 2 did a classic Tom Walter's bump and run. Walters then retaliated in turns 3 & 4 - from the outside lane. Chris "learned" how to race Tom Walters - in Walter's fashion. In the end, they both went to the back.
Walters was running out of tires... he drove an amazing race 72 of the 75 laps he dominated. He had a fantastic restart strategy, damned near running over the pace car every time before it could exit into the infield !!
It was enough to constantly get a solid jump on Kamrath and keep Tony (#7) & Chris at bay behind the #35. As Kamrath's car began to fade, Chris and Tony's cars got stronger. Al Inglis also ran a strong race as did Dwayne Baker.
There was nothing wrong with the way any of the top 5 drove, though I think Walter's entry into 3 on the last lap was probably more than he intended spinning out the 22.
Good LLM race. Best of the day in my opinion. On the other hand... the LM race was caution filled and early on, two of the best cars were eliminated in Watson and McHattie, which definitely made for a strange and way too long race. Perhaps the cautions should have been counted before the half way mark.
I thought the Thunder car race was pretty good, albeit in a sense, it went by fast after the first two cautions, because they just floored it afterwards.
The Mod race was okay, but it too did drag on.
I thought the Super Late race was excellent. Some tough breaks for a couple of the cars. The weather was fantastic, stands were packed and there wasn't a camping spot left!
Good show. Yes, it ran long, but the event went off without a hitch, a few scary wrecks, some interesting personal battles (in and out of the race cars...) and of course, great weather. Just over 10 1/ 2 hours of racing. Long day - yes but no major super crashes except in the LLM race at the end. I think most fans would rate this years AC event as a very good one. Some of the teams complained (length) to be sure, but overall the racing was good and definitely had its moments.
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Heard that the 35 of Kamrath was dq'd for the carb after the race.
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What an interesting weekend the 35 car of kamrath wins the feature but then gets dqed for the carb.
IM sure every one would have liked to have seen him take those 6 inch rods out which stock are to be 5.7 maybe they will put that cheated up 602 crate in with the cam and under cover porting..
SORRY BOYS CANT CALL 911 ON THIS ONE THEY CANT HELP YA ;D ;D
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baker 48 thats funny but for what I have heard is that you may have to call a lawyer, not 911 to help to guys. charges are filed!! :o That will suck when the cop show up and serve to paper lol
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pretty bad when you have to charge a woman for roughing you up! lmao go mrs. b ! great run by chance in the tc feature, talk about DOMINATION, and big congrats to chris for a solid second. best race of the day, too bad we had to wait so long. i think the thunders should be called Pro Thunders because they showed who had the real talent . great job to all!
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Wesley and 3-Wide.........if Mitchell had have held on to it instead of spinning out(can't say whether it was on purpose or not).....but I find it very ironic that after Walters takes his place behind him and follows him around the track......he pulls into pit lane.......he knew in my opinion that he screwed up. If you want to race like the big boys...then you take your thumps like the big boys. And honestly....if I was in Walters shoes...going into turn 3...heading to the checkered......I would have parked the 22 very hard into the wall. But after the race, in the pits...Mitchell showed who he truly is.....and I'm pretty sure he will see that wall one day. And whether I'm a Walters fan or not.....he won that race in my opinion......he had the car to beat and the experience to get the job done!! As I said before.....he had crossed the finish line prior to the yellow being thrown.......and again I will say...bad officiating there. And yes Wesley....it was the best AC I have seen so far(excluding the PLM) some good hard racing and plenty for the fans to watch.
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very poor officiating all weekend in my opinion! you could cut the time in half if somebody cuffed and shackled the flag man to the stand. holy crap he loves to wander!
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......he had the car to beat and the experience to get the job done!!
Yes he did, but if he had of just nudged the 22 up the track in 3, he would have still won the race.Instead he lost his cool and dumped him...............................but it sure was exciting!
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pp12....aint that the truth...that flagman seems to think he is the show or something...i dont know him maybe he is a nice guy but he sure gives off an arrogant glow to me...he did the same thing saturday and i remember last year he walked off the stands pouting over something walked up to the tower then down the track holding up the racing for 15 minutes while were freezing our assests and they were out of coffee and hot chocolate....and his white flag is grey he needs a new one...lol
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If the race director and flagman thought they were doing a good job they were sadly mistaken. We left halfway through the 'pro' late model enduro disgusted with the wasted time watching cars under caution and the flagmen walking down to the track to rearrange backmarkers.
There was a schedule posted, with more than adequate time for each race. And all they had to do was stick to the schedule. Count caution flags when its running long as they said they would. Time limit the races. Fans come to watch races not caution laps. Sunset has it right, Kawartha has it right, Delaware has always had it right, and now even Flamboro occasionally can do it right. Peterboro is screwed, and I cannot explain why they can't fix it. JP that should be priority #1 for next year. I won't be back until I hear it is fixed.
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I can't agree more about the flagman. No disrespect to racers but if your are 2 or three laps down, who gives a shit. The ones to worry about are the lead lap cars. get em straight and let em race. I only went on Sunday with my whole family. $75 to watch an incompetant flagman. I have seen him flag over the years and he is no better now than he ever was. I think a change at the flag stand is def in order. I thought it would get better after the mods but was sadly mistaken. Is it that hard to put lead cars at the front and lap markers at the back?? Think not. I must say that the thunder cars ran an incredible race. Congrats goes to them. The "pro lates".......I have seen as good demos as what I saw there. I think if they had an extended green....81x Mercer would have won. Overall, the racing was good, the flagman sucked ass.
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+1000 :)
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What the hell was that LM race about? did it go 3 hours?
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Where's BOB ! ::)
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Every year we talk about the flagman and the delays to get the show in and I totally agree; let's hope some year they get it right but whata show! I also have to comment on improper restarts. I have seen this for years and why they don't change is ridiculous. If the outside car jumps the green on a start they throw the green and then shortly after the yellow. There is always that accordian effect and sometimes you end up with wrecked racecars when there isn't even racing going on; not sure what else they could do but maybe don't throw the green or go green and yellow together (discuss it at drivers meeting) because I hate seeing good cars wrecked when this happens. My new favourite car, #22 LLM lol followed closely by the #77 Super LM (lol); I love Fall Colours!
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I already said my piece of the LLM race, moving on to the Thunders...which again proves to be the best racing..even last year once we got past the big wreck it was really clean good hard racing. The LM race has turned into a joke..it's been that way for years, I'm not to sure what to do about it, but it annoys me less now because it's expected to be caution filled wreck fest.
Lining up cars seems to be a very big problem..maybe even more so this year then pervious years, radios would be a huge help but I'm sure thats no doable with the cost and everything, can't they just on the back stretch pull all the lap cars to the inside.....all the lead lap cars go past, then the offical on the front stretch works on the lead lap cars order..offical on the back stretch does the lap cars, and it should only take 1 lap and then your order is set, instead of trying to have all the officals work on everything at once it just makes a mess. Suprised theres no talk about the Hanley v.s Wilson wanna be UFC fighters in turn #1 there, I'm not a huge fan of Hanley, but Wilson took a "bump" a bit to far by just turning Hanley into the outside wall like that...although I'm sure it made everyone happy because the only way Hanley isn't going to win is if his car is wrecked. Overall I though this was one of the better Autumn Colours, a lot of cars, a lot of good racing...and the normall crazyness.
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jworacing, the "pro" late models went 3 hours and 36 minutes to be exact!
Too loooooooooooooooooooooong. :-\
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alot of cars but werent the numbers down from years past ?....no B feature in "pro" latemodels....only 3 over what they needed for limiteds...i think 47 minis, didnt they have almost 60 once...still great racing, when they were racing, when i was there saturday...
hope some of these guys havent had their fill of turning left and show for octoberfest....
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hey polaris - tommy is a good guy (he and his team helped holden and parker fix their cars) and a hell of a racer. I had lots for him all race but knew if the positions were reversed, I was getting the Stompin' Tom bump and run like he's done a billion times before so waited as long as i could. I had more traction out of 2 and gassed up before him hoping to be able to get a run inside but I got into him when he didn't go. I knew I was getting it back, but he plain 'ol dumped me and cost himself a shot at the win or at least a solid second. I went down pit lane 'cause I couldn't get my window net back up after saying hi to him on the back stretch - only reason. As far as the pits go - I do believe he came to my pit stall didn't he?
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Chris well said ,was that DMR car ever hooked up great run.
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......Mitchell pushed him out of the way in turn-1/2 although thats good hard racing
Never,ever,ever will I agree with this idea that "moving" someone is an acceptable tactic - it just isn't. What great talent does it take to drive into the car in front of you? If you're fast enough, pass the car in front of you, if you can't, tip your hat to him for driving a good race and accept a well earned second. Take Brian Mercer in the LM race for an example. It appeared he was faster than the 89 car, he tried to get by him cleanly , couldn't and so settled for a well run second place. You think he couldn't have run into the back of the 89? Of course he could have. You think he wanted to win any less than the 89? Of course not. But instead of simply "moving" the guy who had led the whole race he showed some respect and decided if he couldn't pass the 89 clean then he couldn't pass him period. If it's such an acceptable move why is the driver who's "moved" out of the lead always angry? Why does the driver who did the moving almost always say afterwards " I hate to win that way, but..." and then have a lame excuse why he was justified in doing it? Because they both know it's wrong.
If you are going to use your car to knock another car out of the way, then you had better be prepared for any consequences that arise from it - you just changed the game, you just said that contact is acceptable, you'd better be ready to get it right back.
PS - I know a lot of people are going to say that it's Tom Walters, he's done it before so it's alright. I agree Walters has done a lot of things like that - that's one of the reasons he gets as many (sometimes more) boos as he does cheers. But if you think one guy is a villan for doing something, how is another guy a hero for doing the exact same thing? If Walters had bumped Mitchell out of the way earlier and then Mitchell returned the favor, I would have said he got what was coming to him. The fact is however, Walters ran an entirely clean race for 74 laps, and on the last lap of a race he was going to win, got punted aside. If the roles were reversed the crowd would have been howling for Walters' blood, so why is it okay the other way around? Obviously it isn't - you can't have it both ways.
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The scoring dept needs some help. flagman has no blood circulation from the ass upwards.
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Never,ever,ever will I agree with this idea that "moving" someone is an acceptable tactic - it just isn't. What great talent does it take to drive into the car in front of you? If you're fast enough, pass the car in front of you, if you can't, tip your hat to him for driving a good race and accept a well earned second. Take Brian Mercer in the LM race for an example. It appeared he was faster than the 89 car, he tried to get by him cleanly , couldn't and so settled for a well run second place. You think he couldn't have run into the back of the 89? Of course he could have. You think he wanted to win any less than the 89? Of course not. But instead of simply "moving" the guy who had led the whole race he showed some respect and decided if he couldn't pass the 89 clean then he couldn't pass him period. If it's such an acceptable move why is the driver who's "moved" out of the lead always angry? Why does the driver who did the moving almost always say afterwards " I hate to win that way, but..." and then have a lame excuse why he was justified in doing it? Because they both know it's wrong.
Well said
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Enough.... the Flagman and entire crew at Peterborough Speedway did an amazing job. Let's put challenges on the table.
26 Plus car fields.
Transponders are expensive.
Same goes for two way radios
Racecievers are available, but not all teams have them.
Fair scoring is a must for the racers and the fans.
Scoring and position of cars is based on the last lap PRIOR to the caution flag to realign the field. Kawartha, Flamboro, even Sunset has had its challenges running special events (look at how long it took to run their recent invitational)
Unless you want to mandate transponders, radios or raceievers, aligning the field is going to take some time. Car owners are not exactly flush with cash and neither are all speedway owners. Those that think cars several laps down shouldn't be given respect of where they are in the race, sorry to hear you don't believe in fairness. In my opinion the integrity of the sport demands that every car out there deserves equal consideration. Race Directors may not always get it right, but they have to try - even when mistakes happen.
The more cars the more challenging it is going to be. The Scoring in the tower sets the field, NOT the flagman. Let me give you an example that happened all weekend. The cars are required to have their car numbers placed on the FRONT of the car. Guess how many didn't... more than half of the field. Thus the flagman has to go farther out into the infield to pick out the cars that need to be reshuffled. That takes time because then it has to be relayed to the back straightaway flagman to make a space and tell the cars to realign.
I do agree with one suggestion. Caution laps should count (up to a maximum of say 20 for a 100 + lap feature or a figure of 10% of the total events laps, i.e. 7 or 8 laps for a 75 lap A-Main, etc.)
Another potential solution is ensuring the 3 strikes your out (for causing a caution) is enforced. I think it was at AC, though I think there could be some debate about that in the Pro-Late race.
So knock off throwing stones from glass houses at the Peterborough Officials - it's just plain wrong. I bet some of you whiners would be a disaster attempting it.
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In Pro Challenge we have a 3 strike rule. We also have that no driver gets on the track without a radio. Raceciever or 2 way.
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I'll tell you what Wesley motorsports, when you blow up, travel 2 1/2 hours after a family is awsome enuff to LEND you a car, get crashed in the b main, change a tire under yellow, pass on the outside which is near impossible, finish third, then were told your a lap down even after a protest where they cant tell us for shure why, Then you can tell me. I said it needs help, not anything else. The car owners wife who has been a scorer for over 20 years couldnt get a real answer. Then on top, they let others in LLM and 4 cyl classes have a promotors choice (nothing against those drivers) I'll throw some stones ;) PS The case family are awsome.
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I guess no one saw Tom slam into the 22 in turn three and then gas it for green on one of the restarts,Tom knew the 22 had something for him.
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Guess not slowel. ;D
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we drove almost 4 hours one way to get there ......we all thought the racing was great .....well worth the drive ....none of us had ever been there and only heard it was good.well they didnt lie thats for sure ... .well worth it.if the CVM go to run im in for sure.it was a full house
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I do agree with one suggestion. Caution laps should count (up to a maximum of say 20 for a 100 + lap feature or a figure of 10% of the total events laps, i.e. 7 or 8 laps for a 75 lap A-Main, etc.)
they do count caution laps after they hit the time limit,up to a maximum of 5 laps per caution
the pro late model race had 112 caution laps in a 110 lap race,not sure how many green flag laps were run but I would guess that the race was probably at least 200 laps
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Feature (Lap15) Peterborough 20101010[/url]
OSCAAR video from Autumn Colours posted on youtube.... points of interest
3:43-Crash
4:50-On-Track retaliation
6:15 and onward for the scuffle
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Rubbing is racing people, get over it. Since the first two hillbillies raced side by side through the North Carolina back woods, stock cars have been rubbing and playing the bump and run. I am a Walters fan, he lost because of it (from what I've read anyways) live goes on. Live by the sword, die by the sword. This style of racing is what separates stock cars and open wheel racing and its exactly what makes it exciting. Need proof? Watch what happens in the OSCAAR race. Fans were booing one driver and cheering for the other and they loved every minute of it...including the minor scuffle that accorded and the retaliation.
They will always be a small group of people who hate it, but it is what it is. Just like fighting in hockey.
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Yeah we saw the 47 slam the left side of the 22 coming down the back straight before going during the restart, could hear it from there. As for the scoring, in the first posting of the top 10 for the LLM, they had a car finishing 5th that wasn't on the track, and a car finishing 8th, that was out 3 cautions from the last crash. We left at 11:45 or so and they where on the 4th review of the finishing order.
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Well, a 10 hour racing show,the Hanley/Wilson scuffle and the Walters/Mitchell tangle was just what I needed to get me set for the long winter without racing.Next sunday`s Octoberfest will just be icing on the cake if they run it.
Enjoy it for what it is race fans, it is a long time until next May.Long lines for food and bathrooms,long scoring delays,long drive there and back,bent metal,bruised ego`s,long track clean ups,Great announcing,my back is sore as hell today, and I hope they dont change a darn thing next year!
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if you want to chat the chat room is open. Autumn Colours 2010 would be the topic
click here (http://www.canadianracingonline.com/smf/index.php?action=chatl)
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What an interesting weekend the 35 car of kamrath wins the feature but then gets dqed for the carb.
IM sure every one would have liked to have seen him take those 6 inch rods out which stock are to be 5.7 maybe they will put that cheated up 602 crate in with the cam and under cover porting..
SORRY BOYS CANT CALL 911 ON THIS ONE THEY CANT HELP YA ;D ;D
Baker48
Why don't you be professional about all this.... cause from being a fan and seeing how your team acted the hole weekend towards the 35 shows how unprofessional your team is. and it really makes your team look like a joke... what i saw on Friday night at the barn and just a couple trailers down from mine when the cops were called on you guys was that you were not leaving them alone even with them asking you too leave and you guys took it to the point where i think 3 people on you team got arrested very professional guys... top notch...
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Feature (Lap15) Peterborough 20101010[/url]
OSCAAR video from Autumn Colours posted on youtube.... points of interest
3:43-Crash
4:50-On-Track retaliation
6:15 and onward for the scuffle
...CAN YOU TELL ME HOW TO SAVE THIS VIDEO TO MY DOCUMENTS, THANKS?
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Feature (Lap15) Peterborough 20101010[/url]
OSCAAR video from Autumn Colours posted on youtube.... points of interest
3:43-Crash
4:50-On-Track retaliation
6:15 and onward for the scuffle
...CAN YOU TELL ME HOW TO SAVE THIS VIDEO TO MY DOCUMENTS, THANKS?
double click the video so that it opens on the youtube site,then click the "download this video" button.
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Baker 48 - I was at Peterborough this weekend, looks like the Mrs. needs AA and Anger Management. Removed against CRO Terms of Use
You speak of others motor programs, maybe you should look to your own. Why did you load up so quick after LLM race after you put in your protest against the 35. Were you afraid they might come looking and ask for a cylinder head??? Your team was the laughing stock of Autumn Colours 2010!!! You come by your nickname honestly, but your wife took that role this weekend.
Cheers!
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Just a short a sweet reply to you SHOOT & Whiteeagleracing.(well maybe not so short) So sorry you have to try and accuse other people for cheating when the #35 team got caught cheating. Just like at Flamboro. Not us. You an anyone else are more than welcome to come an pull our motor. Our trailer never left the track till long after racing was over an no different than any other trailer that left. As for my wife, pretty sad when two men only have the balls to say something to her instead of me. Little do people know that my wife received a tex from the #35 crew cheif making smart remarks after the Sunset Late Model race that I got wrecked in. Next time you wanna shoot your mouth off let me know I would be more than happy to meet the two of you in the parking lot instead of hiding in the trailer calling 911 7 times. The reason my wife and two other people went to jail was because of the crew cheif and his RAT girlfriend. No wonder he got punched out the last three years at fall colours. Next time maybe he will keep his mouth shut. YOU OWN NOTHING! ;)
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Bakeer48 - Point taken, thanks for your explaination! Always two sides to every story, funny thing about that, there's your version and then theres the truth! Please read the CRO Temrs of use Personal attacks are not welcomed here. People are intitled to their own opinion. You have yours and I have mine. Dont forget, biggest joke of 2010 Autumn Classic!
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Shoot you sure can shoot ur mouth off HIDE BEHIND YOUR NAME ;) ;) ;) ;) Guess our version and there version are different. Dont forget THE BIG SHOW and his driver got DQ . :o :o :o :o
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baker 48
Removed Personal Attack - If this continues we will lock this post everyone has a right to an opinion but not to attack members or their family..
From what I saw this weekend the #48 team made themselves look like a bunch of clowns. And trying to put a protest in to have the #35 cars motor ripped down, only made you look even more of a joke. I'm sure that team would rip there motor down as soon as you open up and show everyone your "STOCK CRATE MOTOR".
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Like I said, there's your version and then there's the truth! When is comes to what I own, all that i have I own, unlike some who only make payments on everything they own. You would know something about that! ;D :D ;D
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goooooooooooooooooooooo baker!!! Just thought I'd throw that out there.
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Keep SHOOTIN. Little do you know about my $$$$. At least its MINE NOT MY BROTHERS! ;) I have big shoulders you can say all you want lol!
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OK I watched the video 3:43-Crash the 77 got black flagged? it looked like he tried to pull out from behind the 70 but he was too close to him and hit the 70. Really hard to say if he meant to dump him the only one that knows is the 77.
All I have to say is the guy running in front of the 77 lucky he didn't get hit by the car. That is not a safe move I know he was pissed.
You want to fight wait till the guy gets out of the car.
Just my 2 cents
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I don't have a brother, you must have me confused with someone else!
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#7
"I lost control plain and simple running in second, I have no excuse. But I made sure to swing it into the wall rather then come across the track and cause another 15 car pileup for everyone."
Well done. quick thinking, Im sure the other drivers must appreciate that
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And lets leave it at that. This was a great event and yes there were some wrecks and some othere issue but all in all from what I heard it was the place to be this weekend.
I don't have a brother, you must have me confused with someone else!
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47 vs 22 In my opinion it is short track racing you are going to have the situation where you may bump and run and that it what walters received and has done on numerous times to get his win. In this case it was done to him and didnt like it. Well rather than dumping mitchell he should have just done the same racing manuver he has done over his racing career and done it to mitchell to get his win or except the second place he would have gotten if he couldnt catch the 22 in time. Black flag for the 47 and restart the 22 in his original position. Bump and run has been there for years but bump and run and wreck the guy on the next turn or intentionally spin him out NO WAY. This is my opinion
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22racing...........yes, he came to your pit.....but your comments and the comments of your crew after he left your pits is what truly pissed me off. Had there not been an elderly gentleman standing in front of me....I would have had something for you!! Next time....remember that there are other ppl around and keep your derogitory comments until you are inside your trailer.....because next time there might not be an elderly gentleman there to save your bacon.
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The only elderly gentleman in my pits was Tom lol - you never get mad polaris? Its the heat of the moment, everyone gets over it sooner or later and I never said anything afterward that I didn't say to his face. I don't know/can't control what other people say. The simple fact is I was ready to let it go and he came to continue, we already had a chance to talk twice on the track. I bumped him. Yes, its that simple. He had the choice to: take it, bump me back or spin/wreck me. Apparently he chose the last. Whatever, I didn't go to be the first loser, tried what I had to do and it didn't work. It's just one race, lots more important things in life.
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well said chris, there are more important things to worry about. what happened can not be changed no matter how long people keep this discussion going.
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The only elderly gentleman in my pits was Tom lol - you never get mad polaris?
and I see your ignorace continues.....guess you didn't see the elderly man with a cane right behind you when you got out of your car........there is an old saying....good things come to those that wait.......so I can wait.....I've got lots of time!!
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Polaris,
I have no idea what's bee is in your bonnet. I'd suggest you be careful what you wish for. Walter's and Mitchell raced for all the marbles. It's over with and you just don't get it.
If there was a fan or another team crew member in Mitchell's pits, they do so with risk of hearing things that they may not like.
Chris is one of the nicest guys around. Back him into a corner (like you're trying to do here) is petty on your part. You have no idea what you're dealing with. Walter's does, but you don't. Not to mention the simple fact, he's won and lost more than most, and knows how to move on. Both guys are a blast to be around. If you want everything to be all nice and polite, go watch go-karts or something...
Don's right - there are more important things to worry about after a race event. I've raced with all three, they've raced me clean, had some crashes, mistakes, the odd argument, but hell, we're still all talking and yapping and bench racing over the winter! You think you've heard some crap ? Hell I put up with a lot worse with most of them, I do after all run a real Ford motor... the grief I take... hah! You've heard nothing! I've had run-ins with a lot of the guys, and I'd run with everyone of them again anytime any place.
They're all home in one piece and will be back at it again next year.
Hey Don, where you gonna run next year?
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hi doug, probably back at peterboro. for my budget, that is the place to go. not too far to travel, and you do not have to spend a fortune on the car. this is all just for fun so no need to go overboard. had a blast at colors, bought two tires on friday for rear of car, made the show, stayed out of trouble and on lead lap. with all the things that happened we managed to finish in 6 place( lots of luck involved), and brought car home in one peice. hope to see you out there next season.
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Well Wesley_Motorsports.....please don't make assumptions about what I do or do not know.....as you have absolutely no idea who I am. And nowhere in any of my comments did I "wish" for anything!!
I was there, witnessed the whole thing, and heard the comments. And for the record....when tempers get flared....things are not nice(that is racing)....but when its over....there should remain a level of RESPECT....for the fans and for other drivers and crew.....and that is where my "bee" is.
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last comment - polaris13 - you summed it up yourself my friend. We don't know who you are and you know all of us. We're involved and all pay our own way, you own or drive a car? I'm more than happy to chat with you (or anyone else) anytime one on one and we can discuss or differences. You call RESPECT telling a guy that just gave you a bump and run half by accident and caused ZERO damage to your car, that you are going to destroy him? That's RESPECT? He gave me back more than I gave him, I got mad, said me piece, its OVER. At the very least we are more than even, he spun me out of the lead didn't he? He wants to wreck me? Fine. I will fix the car and give it back. Whats the point? We will both end up spending a whack of cash that isn't neccessary. Worst case one of us might get hurt, I'm pretty sure there isn't anyone in Ontario at this level making a living from racing around here. Like I said earlier, there are lots more important things. Thanks for watching and having an opinion, its what makes this sport great and keeps the fans coming back so we can do this.
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Wait till I bump and run Chris next year... he'll give me an earful, as I wind up in the wall at the next turn....
:)
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Does this mean you are giving up on the Ford motor so you can keep up next year Doug?
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Exhibit A...see what I mean by putting up with O*&&^*%T&^%^& !!!
:)
Just you wait...
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ok wesley lets add some more of the harrasment how do you bump and run while being lapped lol Get your ass out there next season
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Ugh.........don't remind me ! LOL
The motor will be in good shape as will the chassis...course the "driver" remains to be seen if he's any good LOL
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This past weekend at peterborough, parts were stolen from some individuals cars. #77 and #32 thunder cars, are both missing their steering wheels. I can't believe that there are people out there that would take the property of others and think this is ok. Whether its a joke or not, it isn't right. If anybody has any information concerning this matter, pm me. Theft at the track has to stop. There are other speculations that some cars were tampered with when unattended. This behavior is taking the fun out of racing and adding cost. This sport is costly enough without dealing with this kind of shit.
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not to mention people going to peoples pits when they are unattended...one person was caught going through other peoples stuff.....theres no room for that stuff at the race track...i agree!
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Yeah,I agree and just two reports of theft from race cars are just too many,but consider this,at least it wasn't the theft of entire racecar and trailer that actually happened at track in Quebec a few years ago.Some people just can't stoop low enough,hopefully these a--holes that took the items from the 32 and 77 cars get their forthcomings and I don't mean that in a nice way!
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It's unbelieable with what the world is coming to and the lack of respect that is shown. You see it on the track and then you see it off - but theft of property and tampering, now that's the bottom line. Hopefully those who did it, like Jans1 said, that karma bites them in the ass.
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It's unbelieable with what the world is coming to and the lack of respect that is shown. You see it on the track and then you see it off - but theft of property and tampering, now that's the bottom line. Hopefully those who did it, like Jans1 said, that karma bites them in the ass.
sorry ladybug but to hell with karma get a hold of 'em and mark em and turn them loose in a room full of racing drivers and crew. then they will get what they deserve!!
and i can garantee that they wont steal again!
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i heard it was scott way and lance sulivan
I know Scott and Lance very well and want to set the record straight. Lance did take the steering wheel off the 77 thunder car as a joke and as being a joke was handed back to him with a laugh and smiles from everyone as They are good buddys. As far as the steering wheel from the 32 neither one of these guys had any thing to do with this.
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Here are some finishes from Sunday. Thanks to Jim at Late
Model Digest for the info. I'm working on about 5000 photos
from the weekend, and will post some samples here when they're
ready.
Autumn Colours Classic-Peterborough Speedway
Race Results for 10/10/2010
Pro Late Model - Feature
Finish Car No Driver Hometown
1 89 Shawn Chenoweth Plattsville, ON
2 81X Bryan Mercer Port Hope, ON
3 16 Ryan Kimball Norwood, ON
4 82 Jason Shaw Guelph, ON
5 10 Gord Shepherd Oro, ON
6 81 Andrew Gresel Sauble Beach, ON
7 9 Brandon Watson Stayner, ON
8 43 Earl Ireland ,
9 22 Jamie Cox Dorchester, ON
10 78 Mark Watson St. Thomas, ON
11 08X Chris Ferguson Ottawa, ON
12 14 Rick Emery Ruscom, ON
13 36 Gary Elliott Waterdown, ON
14 27X Mike Wallace PETERBOROUGH, ON
15 27 Mat Box Mississauga, ON
16 46X Kris Martin Burlington, ON
17 31ON Spencer MacPherson Carelton Place, ON
18 8 Marc Jacobs London, ON
19 1 Vic Parsons Hawkestone, ON
20 13 Tyler Liscum Barrie, ON
21 71 Dan McHattie Cavan, ON
22 08 Jason Parker Port Elgin, ON
23 46 Brandon Mowat ,
24 29 Mike Bentley Acton, ON
25 44 Steve Laking Guelph, ON
26 25 Dave Waite Smith Falls, ON
Autumn Colours Classic-Peterborough Speedway
Race Results for 10/10/2010
Late Model - Feature
Finish Car No Driver Hometown
1 7 Tony Tiemersma Holland Landing, ON
2 69 Al Inglis Orillia, ON
3 48 Dwayne Baker Barrie, On
4 88 Herb Walters Innisfil, ON
5 8 Jason Parker Port Elgin, ON
6 91 Don Hart Fenelon Falls, ON
7 X Lance Foster Richmond Hill, ON
8 37 Rick Walt Hawkestone, ON
9 99X Steve Adams Hepworth, ON
10 22 Chris Mitchell Onenee, ON
11 47 Tom Walters ,
12 23 John Baker Jr. Oshawa, ON
13 43 Darin Malcolm Angus, ON
14 4 Mike Meyer Hawkestone, ON
15 03 Dairio Capirchio Gilford, ON
16 54 Randy Bull Haliburton, ON
17 66 Cole Weber New Hamburgh, ON
18 55 Bruce Rankin Mississauga, ON
19 47X Brent McLean Conn, ON
20 09 Kent Nuhn Williamsford, ON
21 10 Gord Shepherd Oro, ON
22 28 Roy Wilkie Port Elgin, ON
23 71 Steve Foster Peterborough, ON
24 41 Taylor Holdaway Orillia, ON
25 97 Brad Holden Midland, ON
26 26 Doug Wills Orono, ON
27 31 Jeff Walt Oro, ON
28 35 Andy Kamrath Owen Sound, ON DQ - winner
OSCAAR Super Late Model - Feature
1 9 Brandon Watson
2 7T Jeff Dunford
3 22 Glenn Watson
4 2 John Owen
5 91 Keith King
6 7 Derrick Tiemersma
7 62 Lloyd Ritchie
8 40P Charlie Gallant
9 00 Wayne Isaacs
10 69 Mike Bricknell
11 16P Gary Passer
12 39 Shane Gowan
13 42 Tyler Hawn
14 77X Craig Stevenson
15 48 Dwayne Baker
16 70 Jeff Hanley
17 77 George Wilson
18 82 Frank Tulipano
19 04 Rudy Oppersma
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Thanks to Derek for sending the results from some of the features,nice to know who did what,but does anyone know the finish of the Thunders yet?
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Just wanted everyone to know that I was just talking to Marv #32 and guess what people,be assured there are still honest to goodness good people out there.One good hearted person was in a restaurant over near Peterborough and overheard a conversion involving, you guessed it,"Stolen Racecar Steeringwheel"!This Good Samaratin managed to retrive the steering wheel and personally delivered it to Marv's place in Walkerton.I have no names of who the guilty theives were,doesn't matter right now,that may come out in the wash,who knows if ever.
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sounds too good to be true.......lol,but i do know marv needed to borrow kennys wheel to load the car
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THAT'S AWSOME! the names of the people that stole the wheel should be revealed and they should AT LEAST be banned from entering any racing facility in ontario. I'm sure their names will show up eventually.
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Your right Racinroy...those guilty of this should be banned! Hopefully like you said their names will surface in the very near future,then look out >:(
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i will donate an old wheel i have kicking around so it can be inserted rectally in the P.O.S ! :'(
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Yeh lets rip off a guy who donates all his winnings to charity. Somebody needs a boot in the loadbolts >:(
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or a good hard kick in the bearings! (ball bearings that is). Marvin has done a super job racing these past couple of years and brings a lot of fun back to the track. something we haven't seen in a long time. his motto is "i'm not racing against you guys, I'm racing with ya". congratulations to marvin for being himself. remember, win or loose. as long as you gave it your all, you'll always be a champion.
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Yeh lets rip off a guy who donates all his winnings to charity. Somebody needs a boot in the loadbolts >:(
1000+
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The sad thing of it is, in racing, every one is usually willing to help competitors out if somthing is needed. Why the hell would ya steal a wheel? theres a million laying around in shops. Pritty ghetto.
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It happens a lot up there. Two years ago it was a mini bike some one using to go back and forth from the pits off turn two to the campsite and back.
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Here is a short video of the final lap of the LLM feature at Autumn Colours. I intended to get the last 10 laps, but I think i hit the record button twice and missed the action between Mitchell and Walters. I wasn't too happy about it, but I thought you would like to see the events after, leading up to Big Dogs car going airborne on the final lap down the front stretch. I hope everyone was ok.
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I read an update on facebook that Mike Meyer's had a concussion, but that's all. Considering how bad that wreck was, I'd say that's not bad at all.
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Hey Dan, not sure who was more dissappointed - you and the boys or me lol
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Hey everyone mike is ok we went to the hospital an got checked out. He does have a concushion his wrist is sore one of the disks in his back has one of the corners of it are knoked off so he's really sore, an he hit his leg off the roll cage... There's the update!!!!
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Yeouch - that was one of the hardest hits I've ever seen going into that corner. It all started at the start finish line and once in motion, there was no stopping the outcome....
Mike's gonna go through a lot of little pains - wish him a speedy recovery over the winter!
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I watched the wreck from the infield, and it looked just as bad as Dans view.. Im glad all involved were pretty much ok afterwards.. It was very scary to see and a hush definately fell on the racetrack right afterwards...
Good job as usual catching as much action on the track as possible Dan!!
That said,
I hope J.P. will look into a better set up for that corner! having a flat wall that cars can hit dead on is nonsense.. he could at least install something that is curved with the track. and if hit lets the cars carry the forces of the wreck a little bit further.. instead of just a full stop into a barrier, it could spit the car out into the top area of 1-2 a little.
Im sure that isnt the first wreck in that corner, and it wont be the last. and its hard for the track with both openings to the pits/tech area right there, but im sure that there is something that could be done to minimize the damage to both cars and drivers in that corner..
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I went for a wild ride off he end of 1 in the B saturday night. Iremember when there was no wall infront of the ambulance there that was even worse, wreck your car AND the ambulace.
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Hey, give JP credit, there is 4 small car tires stacked infront of the wall for everyone's safety.
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Peewee Evans had a very similar wreck in his super late model 4 years ago i believe. head on into that same wall just coming to a complete stop. he never went airborn though, so at least had time to lock the brakes up and slow down a LITTLE BIT.
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next year take your own advice slow cars start at back then you would not half to take the wall
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well, if 23 of baker would let off gas when he hits wall instead of staying on gas and causing mayhem then this wreck would not of happened. i guess since he drives car for some one else and he is not paying for repairs then he can drive like an idiot. if some one else drove like that and wrecked him, you would never hear the end of it.
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Not sure about that Don. It all started on the front straightaway. Baker's fender / wheel was exposed and I think it got caught up in Mike's RF wheel, then rub rail and then the LR wheel. All three cars got in a sandwich...Once that happened, Mike's car then went left and up and over Baker's and away they all went to towards the ambulance...
Everything looked tight just before the start / finish line... and then it all went bad. As you know, the straightaway starts to get visually narrower at that point.
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well doug, when he states himself that when he hit wall then bounced off and stays in gas and at that point he does not care who he hits then i think what i said has merit. he also done it earlier in race and we got a flat, had to go to the back while he restarts in sixth. i know it was last lap of race but you can not finish hooked up to a wrecker.
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Not too sure on how they scored the llm race but cant see how 66 and 54 scored so high as they were in the wreck before the final lap when the caution came out. 54 Bull didnt even take the green flag for the restart as you can see him in the pits on the video with a white car ahead of him. Help me fiqure this all out!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bull was even in and out of the pits a few times
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He also knocked me out of the race when something happened to sheppards car and him and parker got into each other. I was behind them and lifted a bit coming off of 4 on the high side. Baker was on the inside and TONNED me. he hooked me and threw me into the wall. It happened so fast, there was no time to react. If he was more heads up, that to would have never happened. Thats why his fender was up and his wheel was exposed. Being an involved car at that point of the race, he should've gone to the back and then that last lap wreck would have never happened. Like you asked, How do they score there? Seems to me there was a lot of cars that were not in the proper position. Even at the start. They had long cautions to screw everything up. The race could have been a whole lot different. Just my opinion.
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I agree I think they should be at least five spots back as they were scored. And on the restarts I have no idea as to how they placed the cars as I know I wasnt placed properly. I think they should look at there scoring and go back and look at the video and realize they didnt even take the green on the restart as you can see them in the pits . Would it be safe to say five spots equals $50 lol not the money just the principal. If fifty bucks meant alot i wouldnt be in this profitable sport. LOL
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Every time I get all whiny about not being at Autumn Colours with my car, the spectacular wrecks remind me that its a pretty good idea to leave the car at home and just watch. Either that or get a junk car and run that instead :)
Yeah, I know, "got all winter to fix it" etc. Still perhaps a disposable car is a better option :) Yet as each season nears the end, the itch to be in craziest and most anticipated event of the year grinds the brain into pulp...
As it is, it's gonna be painful waiting all winter to get back on the track after an extended absents. The Sprint Cup is rather boring (Johnson is practically a lock to win his 5th in a row) and I'd rather go to Speedweeks.
For those interested, I'm also heading to Mooresville in Feb to pick up some parts and taking the trailer with me. PM me if any of you are interested in going down with me and picking up a few things....
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I don't think it matters how much time anybody has to fix a car from something that could've been avoided in the first place. I'de rather work on my car to make sure everything is right over the winter to start next year strong. Not reclipping it or having to put more money into a bunch of bent up parts. Racing deals happen but if everybody was a little more heads up and try not to over drive there cars, we would have better racing from our seats and a lot more respect for one another. Lets face it, your not going to hit it everytime. We were awsome in qualifying but not so good for the main. I was just trying to survive and maybe get a top 10. Didn't happen.
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Well I certainly will be busy this winter. I'm looking at about $10,000 or more to put the # 4 car back on the track. Any sponsors out there ? lol
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Just some advise for the 4 car. Rather than spend 10k on that chassis go get a new mccall chassis for 4k and bolt on all of your stuff on it. You already have the power train and rear axles seat and stuff rather than reclipping and stuff. Just a thought I may be having to do that myself. LOL Again just something to think about.
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I think at this point we are going to part out the car and sell the crate motor etc. Maybe buy a new McColl car in the spring. Anyone need a good 602 crate call me 705-345-5715
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if you have stuff for sale please post the ads for cars, parts and want ads at the new free classifieds. It's a great place to advertise as it is getting a ton of traffic from here and the search engines.
www.canadianracingonline.ca (http://www.canadianracingonline.ca) - Free Racing Classifieds - Let people know about this site as you have full control over your ads.
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Hey bigdog just wondering why you would part out wouldnt it be cheaper to keep parts for new chassis unless you want to have brand new car and parts but for piece of mind having new car would be nice but more expensive.