Jimmy Jonhson wins championship again who cares

[Shadowracer]

See, I'm not opposed to the idea of the chase. I don't mind it. However, the sticking point with me is that it hasn't really done what its supposed to.

Remember that, AFAIK, this is the only year it really came down to the wire. They're onto something, but it needs tweaking.

What I would do, if I was given the keys to the kingdom, is put the top 10-12 guys in a completely different points system from everyone else, and base it on how they finish in relation to one another. Top chase driver in race A gets 12 pts, 2nd gets 11, 3rd gets 10 and so on. Might see more guys in the hunt for the final race.

OR

Do it almost bracket style. Take the top 32 guys over the last 5 races. The guy who finishes ahead between the 1st and the 32nd spot stays, the loser goes (out of the chase), same for the 2nd place and 31st. Then 3rd and 30th etc. Then next race its down to the top 16, then the top 8, then 4, then 2. (be good for some rivalries)

OR

Have a fan vote as to which driver is eliminated each week. However if you win the race you are exempt. (hey its late and I'm spitballing  )

OR

Or just have it so the farthest back finishing chase driver in any given race is out of the chase.                

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[thecrowdpleaser]

Shadow wrote
"It could be argued that the post-season in any sport is "manufactured" excitement. NASCAR was just late to get in on it.

Of course, you could just hand the Stanley Cup/World Series/SuperBowl over to the team with the most points over the regular season....but that wouldn't be any fun."

That's exactly my point. Once you have playoffs, the best team doesn't always win. When you expand playoffs, the chances of the best team winning gets a little less. If it's more fun for you to watch an inferior team win a manufactured championship, well, that's fine. Just try to remember what it is though. Is it manufactured that MLB is looking to expand the playoffs so that more teams have a chance? Of course. Was it manufactured when the NFL added wild card teams? Sure. Isn't the rap on the NHL that half the league makes the playoffs? Isn't the cry of the mediocre NHL team, "just make the playoffs"? Just because these leagues have decided to decrease the chances of the best team winning, doesn't mean racing should follow.
It is my point exactly that the 48 team hasn't been the best team in 3 of the 5 championships that have been awarded to them, that's all.

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[CanadianRacingOnline]

How about have hot spot seats in the chase. If you have bad finishes you can be bumped out of the chase. You need to give the other 31 drivers something to race for other then 1st in the second points system which is really a battle for 13th place as we know it.

out of the 12 chase drivers there was really only a three drivers in the chase.

Points behind the leader for 4th to 12th place was 229 to 589 really a 3 man chase.


If you want to make it fair the 12 chase driver should all start at 5000 points. Harvick had a 229 over second place Jeff Gordon and then the chase comes along and Denny Hamlin moves up 9 spots and Jimmy Johnson moves up 5 spots when the chase starts. Boy that sounds fair to me.

If you don't like the start the 12 chasers at 5000 points then how about 5 points for the way they finished. So Harvick starts with 5060 points Gordon 4055.

stats may be off a bit as cant see old point system for race 26.

If they say wins are a big factor. Then anybody with a win gets a in the chase as 5 drivers without wins were in the chase and 4 drivers with wins were not. We all know they want the big stars in the chase and that's why they made it 12 from 10 as one big star didn't make it in the first year of the chase. How about 20 drivers have some past champion spots and start them off 20 drivers with 5000 points then you will see a chase.

I know i'm throwing a lot of things out ther but I feel this is the best way and it uses wins and points behind before the chase 5 points for a win but you also have to give points to the points leader before the chase.

Example

Harvick had a 420 point lead over 12 place. Give Harvick 1 point for every 10 point he had more then 12 place. 42 Points for standings plus 15 points for his wins = 57 points added to chase 5000

Gordon has 200 points from 12 place. Gordon gets 20 points and 0 points no wins = 20 points.

And so on.


NASCAR need to do something as I feel for Harvick the true 2010 Cup Champion from my point a view.




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[CanadianRacingOnline]

Gordon has been screwed out of two because of this format and many others.

Imaging if other sports gave an advantage when playoffs start.

How about giving football teams who won more a touchdown or 2 lead before the game starts.
What the hell give a hockey team a one or 2 goals lead before the game starts.

It is my point exactly that the 48 team hasn't been the best team in 3 of the 5 championships that have been awarded to them, that's all.

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[Wesley_Motorsports]

It is, what it is... no matter what formula is thought of, somebody IS gonna get screwed.

Given the nature of the beast (Pro Sports), how sponsors impact the quality of racing (if you can call it that..), no matter what; somebody is gonna get shafted.

Sponsors drive this sport - period. Get used to it. Prior to Dale Earnhardt and Richard Petty, the amount of money that flowed into racing was peanuts. Now it's in the multi-millions of dollars. It used to be, amateur sports where the true championship point systems and make it possible to determine who really is the best. Now, it's a total mess in these modern times. Just look at the Olympics and the amount of influence sponsors have.



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[ernie]

Here are my thoughts. JJ won get over it. Having said that I'm not quite over it   

If they are going to have a playoff format then make it a real playoff.

1) Only allow race winners into the chase. You would of had to qualify for all the regular season races to use this. This would eliminate any team putting everything they have into only a few races to try and qualify. It would also give a disadvantage to those that only run for top tens every week. They want to make race wins mean something then this would do it.
2) Leave the points alone but for the chase qualifiers award bonus points per race won. 20 or 30 points ought to do it.
3) Have at it boys!


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[Shadowracer]

See, I disagree that they need added incentives to actually win the race. Never bought into the idea that these guys are doing much points racing. Its just the way its portrayed.

Remember, because for some reason they never say it on TV, that the winner still gets the biggest piece of the pie at the pay window when the race is over, points notwithstanding. And that's a lot of money. Plus these guys are top drawer drivers....they didn't get where they are by settling for second. I don't believe it is a racer's nature and I think they have all the motivation to win that they need.


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[CanadianRacingOnline]

We will just have the see what changes NASCAR makes as I heard there will be some for the 2011 chase.

The tracks can lower the prices to attract fans but the total cost for the weekend is a lot of money.

When you look at the whole weekend of nascar racing it's well over 500.00. You can see a ton of local track events with that money.

Sure people go see a live NASCAR event if you haven't done it before but to do it every year like I have done for 10 + Years is a lot of money wasted on one race.




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[POPS]

All this talk about J.J.

I think that his teammate Jeff Gordon has the answer.
Jeef Gordon has annouced that he is taking advantage of Pres. Obama's proposal to employ Harlem youngsters. The decision to hire them was brought about by a recent documentary on how unemployed youths from Harlem were able to remove a set of wheels in less than 6 seconds without proper equipment, whereas Gordon's existing crew could only do it in 8 seconds with millions of dollars worth of high tech tools. It was thought tyo be an excellent and bold move by Gordon's team as most races are won or lost in the pits.

At the new crews first practice session not only was the inexperienced crew able to change all 4 wheels in under 6 seconds, but within 12 seconds they had also changed the paint scheme, and sold the car to Kasey Kahne for 10 cases of Bud, a bag of weed, and some photos of Jeff's wife in the shower.

Now with this kind of effort, my money is on #24 for the 2011 season.

Any takers?

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[DWfan4ever]

My comments about the travelling to the US for a race were based on the amount of time you get to spend at the track doing things for the value of money you are spending.  In Canada for a NASCAR event you spend on average 40/ticket and could spend what 8 hours at the track in total with little to do but watch the cars for practice, qualifying and racing itself.  However for example I went to Martinsville in October spent $25.00 US got to the track at 9am and left at 6pm.  What did I see I watched Truck and Sprint cup qualifying and about 4 hours of practice time between the 2 series plus spent a couple hours touring through the haulers for various event merchandise.  I could have spent another 5 hours going through haulers and vendors but did that the next day.lol  So for me it was more cost effective to do that. 

Do I think they should add more teams to the chase? Nope too many now.  I liked it when there was 10 actually.  And as for only 3 cars in the chase this year that took place after 7 events really cause after each race prior to that in the chase 1 or 2 cars would eliminate themselves by poor finishes.  So why eliminate them in a forced fashion they already do it themselves without there being rules on how it should take place.  And PLEASE do not allow fan votes on how makes it week to week.  We all know who would win no matter where he finishes and really how is that a true champion?

Unfortunately with NASCAR you can't have a similar playoff format like other major sporting events.  Because all 43 teams compete on the track at the same time, all other sports have 1 on 1 battles.  I do like the idea DW was discussing the other day on Sirius (go figure I liked it.lol) where he was saying they should allow teams like what Jamie did work their way back in to the top 10  instead of locking them in the best possible of 13th spot.

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[Wesley_Motorsports]

We will just have the see what changes NASCAR makes as I heard there will be some for the 2011 chase.

The tracks can lower the prices to attract fans but the total cost for the weekend is a lot of money.

When you look at the whole weekend of nascar racing it's well over 500.00. You can see a ton of local track events with that money.

Sure people go see a live NASCAR event if you haven't done it before but to do it every year like I have done for 10 + Years is a lot of money wasted on one race.

$500.00 - that's the biggest problem right now. The points / Chase results are the least of NASCAR's worries. But........have you seen what it costs to be 12 rows up at Air Canada Center for a Leaf's game ?? And they have 42 homes games and when was the last time the Leaf's won a Stanley Cup ? ?

And people wonder why NASCAR has priced the tickets the way they have. But if they do lower ticket prices, then the purse money paid out is going to also be reduced and that will hurt only the small teams vs. Hendricks, Roush, Yates, Penske and RCR.

Having said that, $500.00 isn't a bad price considering that gets you (in some cases) 3 races to watch - assuming you can afford travel / overnight expenses for the entire weekend. Texas Motor Speedway used to (dunno if they still do) force you to buy tickets for all NASCAR events for the entire SEASON for all three divisions! Those days are long gone in this economy AND pissed off fans - probably more so than Jimmie Johnson winning 5 in a row.






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[DWfan4ever]

I believe California does the same which is why people are not in a rush to get out there and watch.

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[Battalionfan888]

Is it sad that my tickets for Martinsville last spring were cheaper than any NCATS race I went to this year?
I paid $25 for each the Cup and Truck race at Martinsville, and to be honest the Cup race ended up having an awesome finish.

The worst part was the hotel, since Martinsville, Virigina isnt exactly a hot spot during non NASCAR weekends, the guy charged us a ridiculous amount to stay at a Super 8 which I was expecting anyway, but what really got us is we wanted us to pay for 3 nights even though he only had rooms left for 2 of the nights.

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[CanadianRacingOnline]

Yes a lot of places will not went a two night stay on Nascar Race weekends and prices get hiked. the cheapest I could find was 149.00 a night. You almost need to book a year in advance to make sure you get a room.



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[DWfan4ever]

Wow those prices for Martinsville are crazy, spent like 80 a night for a Quality Inn about 40 minutes from the track this year.  I do know Michigan is rough for pricing but they are getting better.

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