Author Topic: SHOULD TECHS UPHOLD RULES (Read 7738 times)

Puppydogs · « **on:** May 30, 2007, 12:44:01 PM »

On sunday there was quite the topic about a ruling by a tech. Now maybe the original information was mistaken, people sometimes tell people some things about a happening and it gets interpreted the wrong way. Regardless if it was the speedway or the tech who made the call, it is my opinion that rules are rules.
If one car gets dq'd for not meeting the standards of the rules then the other car should also have been dq'd for not meeting the standards.
Whether it was a wheel out of adjustment, or a adjustable cam gear, it is the drivers responsibility to ensure that the rules are upheld.
It is also the Techs responsibility to uphold the rules, whether it is illegal parts or wheels not to specks, the rules are in place to ensure fairness for all drivers. It is the opinion of most I am sure that it is the responsibility of all techs whether head tech or assistant tech, the rules are the rules, if you dq one driver for an infraction then the other driver with an infraction should be dq's as well, if you are going to overlook one driver then you must overlook both in all fairness.

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CanadianRacingOnline.com · « **on:** May 30, 2007, 12:44:01 PM »

The-fan · « **Reply #1 on:** May 30, 2007, 01:09:14 PM »

Quote from: YORKIE on May 30, 2007, 12:44:01 PM

On sunday there was quite the topic about a ruling by a tech. Now maybe the original information was mistaken, people sometimes tell people some things about a happening and it gets interpreted the wrong way. Regardless if it was the speedway or the tech who made the call, it is my opion that rules are rules.
If one car gets dq'd for not meeting the standards of the rules then the other car should also have been dq'd for not meeting the standards.
Whether it was a wheel out of adjustment, or a adjustable cam arm, it is the drivers responsibility to ensure that the rules are upheld.
It is also the Techs responsibility to uphold the rules, whether it is illegal parts or wheels not to specks, the rules are in place to ensure fairness for all drivers. It is the opinion of most I am sure that it is the responsibility of all techs whether head tech or assistant tech, the rules are the rules, if you dq one driver for an infraction then the other driver with an infraction should be dq's as well, if you are going to overlook one driver then you must overlook both in all fairness.

Of course they should, if they don't uphold the rules then who will?

I agree 100 percent that it is the responsibility of the team to insure that the car is within the rules, and if need be they should seek out clarification from the head tech man.

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Pinecrest · « **Reply #2 on:** May 30, 2007, 05:32:36 PM »

I really think this is much a do about nothing . Everyone cheats at some time or another and as AJ Foyt said after getting caught qualifying at Daytona with nitrous "its only cheating if you get caught until then its just getting competitive"

I have soaked and re branded tires , run fuel /nitrous , illegal weight jacking devices , over displacement engines , used illegal cams heads pistons cranks rods ,switched the drivers helmet before weigh in with one filled with lead to make weight just to name a few things.

If your not cheating your really not trying hard enough.

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CanadianRacingOnline.com · « **Reply #2 on:** May 30, 2007, 05:32:36 PM »

Justme · « **Reply #3 on:** May 30, 2007, 06:19:09 PM »

Thanks Yorkie, this was really our point exactly, I see they took the post off, so I asume that we bursted someones bubble about it, to try and hush it I think, But I'm glad to see someone from some where else agree's, All we want is for BSW to play fair...

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Puppydogs · « **Reply #4 on:** May 30, 2007, 07:57:23 PM »

I am appauled that you, Pinecrest, would come on this site and brag about cheating, maybe you are right, it's only cheating if you get caught, but when you get caught you get dq'd, and thats my point to all of this.
The way I see it, is that if you have to cheat to win, then whats the point in being in the sport. You certainly are giving the name of car racing a very bad name when you brag about what you do. I guess you don't have what it takes to win fairly which doesn't make you much of a racer does it.

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Pinecrest · « **Reply #5 on:** May 30, 2007, 08:43:36 PM »

Yorkie I am not bragging I am telling the truth and if you are appalled by that so be it . I am surprised that you are so naive that you do not realize that everyone cheats if they stay in the sport for any length of time . I am guessing you watch NASCAR so you must be aware that Dale Jr was recently fined 100,000 dollars and his cuz Tony Eurey Jr was suspended for 6 weeks for cheating . Check out Jayskis site on any Monday and look at the list of people that were caught cheating every week , some cheat a little and some cheat allot but everybody cheats. Did you ever wonder why NASCAR hired Gary Nelson to run Tech because he was the biggest cheater and very hard to catch . Nelson is the person that had the most to do with designing the COT as well .

They cheat in F1 NASCAR , IRL and they cheat at your local short track . If no one cheated they wouldn't need Tech now would they ? Heres a news flash for you there is no one in the Hall of Fame that didn't cheat because the best cheat more then most . The biggist cheaters are the ones I have admired most over the years from Smokey Yunick , Junior Johnson to Junior Hanley . Cheating and doing it right takes ingenuity and hard work . I am not talking about some dope with a stroker motor who is bound to get caught but the guys that were always one step ahead of the Tech man and didn't get caught .

Sorry to shatter the illusion you were living under but thats just how it is .

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Puppydogs · « **Reply #6 on:** May 30, 2007, 09:33:32 PM »

I am not blind to what goes on in the real world. My point was that you get caught, you get dq'd. That is the responsibility of the Tech. Tech is suppose to uphold the rules of the track. The tech should not be letting one driver get away with it and dq'ing another in the same race. We are talking about your local track, and yes I know some will cheat, but most drivers run fair. That was the point originally made, not whether it's ok to cheat, you know what it's not. We are not racing pro at the local track, most are there for the fun of it. Techs that allow drivers to get away with cheating are doing no favours for the track. I know of several tracks that have that reputation of letting cheaters get away with it. I wouldn't waste my time. I would like to think that most try and run a fair sport for all involved. So tell me Pinecrest, should the tech dq you if you get caught or should you get away with it.

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MID · « **Reply #7 on:** May 30, 2007, 09:45:18 PM »

Pinecrest gets away with it !!
Me..... I would get caught !!

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Pinecrest · « **Reply #8 on:** May 30, 2007, 09:46:48 PM »

Quote from: midamerica on May 30, 2007, 09:45:18 PM

Pinecrest gets away with it !!
Me..... I would get caught !!

Now now Dave are you trying to tell me you have NEVER cheated ? Cheating is such an ugly word how about worked the grey areas of the rule book .

and yes Yorkie when your caught your caught and the penalty has to be the same for everyone . Also when you do get caught you except what you get and take your punishment like a man . Michael Waltrip is and example on what not to do , you don't start coming up with conspiracies and telling people you have no idea how it happened .

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Doherty · « **Reply #9 on:** May 30, 2007, 11:05:26 PM »

Theres two kinds of racecar drivers, theres cheaters and liars and the liars are only liaing about not cheating.

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Pinecrest · « **Reply #10 on:** May 31, 2007, 07:10:28 PM »

Very true Doherty .

I found this article from last year when Chad Knaus got suspended for cheating and as you can see NASCAR has never treated everyone the same when it comes to cheating

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/mark_zeske/02/22/inside.nascar/index.html

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Kahnefreak · « **Reply #11 on:** May 31, 2007, 07:39:25 PM »

cheaters should be dq'd, end of discussion....but many racers run in the gray areas of the rulebook which isn't a blatant cheat. i know many people cheat blatantly and get away with it sometimes....but if they are caught then they are caught.......they should be dq'd. tech is there because people have cheated...that makes sense....otherwise nobody would complain and there would be no need for tech.....there is a fine line sometimes as to what cheating is...sometimes the rulebook isn't so specific....but thats a gray area.....Gray areas are fine......it's the blatant that annoys me.....it's the fact that an official knows somebody has illegal parts and they are let go that bothers me....thats my opinion....and everybody is entitled to their own opionion whether it's this or that. i know people like to be one step ahead and thats fine...thats racers edge.....but to go against the rules is a cheater.....once a cheater always a cheater

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MID · « **Reply #12 on:** May 31, 2007, 08:18:46 PM »

My buddy Pinecrest...
The Grey area sounds better, and NO I have never cheated although I have messed around in the biege area. The Biege area is that fine line of knowing that you might not pass tech. but is outside the box of the grey area because there was no rule to say yes or no. Another color to take into consideration is the blue area, which is trying something that no body has ever tried before.
The biggest area is the green area, thats the color of money and something you will never learn from racing unless your the scanctioning body.

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Pinecrest · « **Reply #13 on:** May 31, 2007, 08:37:05 PM »

Mid I realize that allot of people on here know you and thus far I have been able to maintain my anonymity which gives me much more latitude to say things . It probally wasn't fair of me to put you on the spot like that so I am not going to bust your balls about this but cheating is like being pregnant , either you are or your not .

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MID · « **Reply #14 on:** May 31, 2007, 08:46:35 PM »

Pinecrest- In short I do not cheat - AT ALL!!
Although that may sound like B.S. it is true and there is a reason for it.
We cannot rent a ride, or sign a sponsor knowing that the car may not pass tech. or miss a show.
I have always looked at it this way. If you have to cheat to win the only person your beating is yourself.

One of my favorite series is the IMCA modifieds- all crate cars- all crate motors- all on the same tire, all run under the same rule book, and you can race the things coast to coast in the USA for good money. They have a rule- if you cheat you are blackballed from the series nationwide, and when your caught the part is taken away and beaten to death with a sledge hammer right in front of you and everyone else that wishes to watch.
Not a bad rule and more then likely the reason the series has over 1200 cars registered across the country.

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