Question for Canadian Racing Online

[sleepy11]

 I visit several racing sites on a fairly regular basis nascar.com , racingone.com thehotlap.com (formerly bgnracing) speedtv.com trackforum.com and others  where i have hundreds and hundreds of posts over several years . Out of those hundreds of post of many many years i have received one warning from a mod for using a curse word once which i understand , it was a slip and has not happened again . Imagine my surprise when after not posting here a handful of times i had one of my post heavily edited for what seems no logical reason . I have gone back and reread the COC now three times and with the belief that i have reasonable comprehension skills and still see no violation of the COC.

  Here is what i posted , in caps is what was edited out .

   There are four Canadians registered so far for the ARCA race . Pierre Bourque ,Terry Jones , Ryan Fischer and Mario Gosselin . The only one that is truly competitive is Gosselin and he will be fast enough that he could win it . Bourque who will be 50 this year and has no super speedway experience i expect him to do about as well as he did in his Craftsman Truck debut at IRP last year  CRASHED AND LAST. Terry Jones has run a half a dozen ARCA races but has only finished on the lead lap once which was at Winchester where he did run sixth being the last car on the lead lap .  Only six cars did not blow up or were in a wreck that day but he did keep out of trouble all day at Winchester which is an accomplishment in of it self . Jones is sort of a cautious driver and maybe able to bring it home on one piece but i doubt it will be on the lead lap .Ryan Fischer has very little racing experience and i don't think he has even ever won a short track stock car race . This will be his third time in the Venturini Motorsports. His first time he barrel rolled it down the back chute at Gateway in a very big wreck . His second ARCA race was at Dega where he qualified last and just drove around at the back but since it was a cautionfest he never got lapped . He ran around 30th but the only cars behind him were missing fenders. I know he was fastest in single car runs for one session in Daytona ARCA testing but they only did tech for safety not to see if they were legal and i think there may have been a little somethin somethin going on there. My guess is that Ryan will finish on a roll back.RYANS DADDY HAS DEEP POCKETS AND CAN AFFORD TO RENT HIM ANOTHER CAR IF HE WRECKS THIS ONE .

  Here are the results of Pierre Bourques Craftsman Truck Series debut which you can see was exactly as i described CRASHED and LAST
http://www.racing-reference.info/drivdet?id=bourqpi01&yr=2007&series=C

   Ryan's father Claudio is very well heeled as anyone that knows him will tell you and did not seem phased in anyway after Ryan pretty much killed this car of Venturinis   

  I believe i was 100 % accurate in everything i posted if you would care to correct me on any fact you think i have wrong please do .

  I don't think i am an overly critical person although i have been known to make statements such as DEIs engine program sucks after Junior blew his seventh engine of the season or that Kyle Busch drives like a fool after he wrecked his own brother in the All Star race . The race fans i enjoy speaking to are the most passionate and often the most opinionated . While i understand a certain decorum must be maintained on a message board i find the actions of this hill3 character to be heavy handed at best and the only thing accomplished by his or her actions was to kill what was an interesting discussion.

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[hill3]

once again i will stand behind my call. btw i watched that race you refer to on youtube, how in gods name can that be Ryan's fault? character assianations imho lead to bitterness and after the month we had just past i will not allow people to take pot shots at each other. if the other mods think this wrong i will gladly step down no questions asked

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[CanadianRacingOnline]

I'm trying to find out where he broke a rule. If he used a swear word I can see the warning being issued but I can't see a real shot or attack. Is this a person on our board that we are talking about or is this Ryan jut a racer?? If he is on the board I can maybe see it as a personal attack but if it is a racer I think it was fine and I remember drivers in nascar they wrecked people even if they were a lap down and I commented on this as this was just an opinion of that drivers racing style.

I never attacked the driver and made person attacks on them. Maybe saying the guys father has deep pockets and he can afford it is an opinion.

No one is asking for anyone to step down because of this and we can't let this get out of hand.

Sleepy11 I and the other mods will look at this and get back to you one this as this is all I can offer at this time and I can understand you being frustrated over it and I'm glad you did it the right way and came to this section so we can discuse it.

Thanks

Evan

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[Shadowracer]

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But don't engage in - personal attacks, name-calling, judgements, or blanket generalizations. This extends to anyone, from the poster you are answering, to the promoter of a race track on the other side of the country. Its simple - don't bad mouth anyone. You can support, criticize, or discuss an idea, but we draw the line at "so and so is an idiot", as well as other "more clever" ways of saying the same thing. Feel free to criticize if you must, just do it in a respectful manner
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To further review the CanadianRacingOnline CoC go HERE.

The sentiments in your original post are fair enough, but the post itself kinda tramples all over the "Keep it Respectful" principle that we're trying to cultivate here at CRO.

Also, in reading the above post, you seem to be operating under a mistaken assumption, so let's be clear: Just because something might be true does not justify being disrespectful about it.

This statement: "RYANS DADDY HAS DEEP POCKETS AND CAN AFFORD TO RENT HIM ANOTHER CAR IF HE WRECKS THIS ONE."

A: isn't particularly respectful...more like disdainful.
and B: Would likely be the start of a flamewar if anyone here was actually involved with amy of these people. (we realize its not likely, but the principle is there nonetheless. If you started flinging this stuff around about the competitors at the speedways that most of us are involved in, we'd have a meltdown.)

We understand that other boards have different rules, guidelines, and moderation policies. However...we are not all the other racing boards. When you post at CRO, we expect you to follow ours.

Thank you very much.

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[sleepy11]

 Interesting but it would seem to be quite a different view then this

627   Canadian race Tracks / Sunset Speedway / Please be advised everyone  on: October 18, 2006, 12:45:07 AM 
Actually Evan, the best message boards have even handed but careful moderation.

I know a good messageboard...a non racing related one that has a simple policy: If you can't say it in front of your Grandma, you can't say it here.
(Shadowracer)

 Wouldn't this be offensive to nascar fans , and have the strong potential to set off a flame war ?

601   Canadian race Tracks / Delaware / RE: 2007 schedule  on: November 24, 2006, 08:30:53 PM 
Heh...what NASCAR series?

Only thing NASCAR is tops at is hype...which has been literally nil since the initial announcement of them buying out CASCAR.
(Shadowracer)

  I am not sure that saying someone has deep pockets would be more offensive then this

482   Canadian race Tracks / Barrie Speedway General / Re: Barrie LLM Myth Died at the Kawartha 100 lapper + A Star is Born.  on: July 29, 2007, 12:37:14 PM 
poor sue all you guys do is gang up on her.she is entitled to her to voice her misguided thoughts,maybe she has been to see the acid queen one to many times. if any of the tommy quotes start using uncle ernie i am out of here
(hill3)

 or this

71   Canadian race Tracks / Sunset Speedway / Re: RV Demolition Show!!!!  on: August 01, 2007, 09:28:46 AM 
blackflaggin, maybe it is time to turn on the filter between your Mouth and your brain
(hill3)

 Just so you know i didn't look at more then 3 or 4 pages starting at the back to find these examples and i am sure i could have found many more . I also chose to exclude the several cuss words used in many of Shadowracers posts .
 I wont go into slagging the administrator of the site Candian Racing Online but i did come across this jewel which i just couldn't pass up .

 Scroll about half way down the page
http://www.canadianracingonline.com/smf/index.php?topic=6377.60

 Now reread this posted by Shadowracer again

This statement: "RYANS DADDY HAS DEEP POCKETS AND CAN AFFORD TO RENT HIM ANOTHER CAR IF HE WRECKS THIS ONE."

A: isn't particularly respectful...more like disdainful.
and B: Would likely be the start of a flamewar if anyone here was actually involved with amy of these people. (we realize its not likely, but the principle is there nonetheless. If you started flinging this stuff around about the competitors at the speedways that most of us are involved in, we'd have a meltdown.)

We understand that other boards have different rules, guidelines, and moderation policies. However...we are not all the other racing boards. When you post at CRO, we expect you to follow ours.

 I sure cant argue the point that you have different rules guidelines and moderation policies , they are different depending on who you are , so please don't pee on my back and tell me its raining out .

 I will continue to try to post here because you seem to have some interesting people and topics and with a little luck the moderation will be a little less heavy handed and a little more even handed .

 

 

 




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[CanadianRacingOnline]

A lot of message you are showing is before we had a COC or the new moderation on the board. So yes you could find a few messages that would have broke the rules.

I have been warned as well for a word I used and I own the site. Fair is fair if my post don't follow the rules the mods here will edit my posts as well.





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[Shadowracer]

Sure, I'll give you a couple of those points...but I'll add that due to the way things worked out, I have to wear a different hat now. The posts from me that you quoted were from way before I was a mod. Sue me. 

However this one I just don't get.

I know a good messageboard...a non racing related one that has a simple policy: If you can't say it in front of your Grandma, you can't say it here.
(Shadowracer)

 Wouldn't this be offensive to nascar fans , and have the strong potential to set off a flame war ?

Why would that be offensive to NASCAR fans? The respectful ones would'nt get offended by the idea, and the ones who'd want to be obscene or disrespectful...there's lots of boards out there for them.

2 facts you may not know because you're fairly new here: 1: We're not an anonymous group. A lot of us here know each other face to face, so there's a little more respect, and more to this community than just the messageboard. We're not just a bunch of anonymous posters hiding behind our usernames. (Most of us aren't, anyway) So things are a little different than on other boards.

Also, we do, or are trying to cater to the Jr Racers as well. They're not a huge part of the community, and we hope for more participation from that segemnt, so we strive to provide an environment that will both nurture them, and make their parents feel at ease about their posting here. Parents these days are awfully paranoid about the internet...and justifiably so. We want to keep this place a positive expereience.

We realize this is not to everyone's taste. And it was a decision not made lightly. Ultimately we decided that weeding out the problems, and running the risk of shrinking the community was better in the long run than having wide open posting with little or no moderation...and having flamewars all the time. We prefer to try and have track owners/managers on our side, and all those other boards out there that you refer to are a pretty good reason that owners/operators don't trust the internet.

So, the whole "well other boards do this/don't do this" is really irrelevant to the discussion. We're CRO. Here's the rules.

As far as this:

I sure cant argue the point that you have different rules guidelines and moderation policies , they are different depending on who you are , so please don't pee on my back and tell me its raining out .

I'll only respond that you're the one that asked. Sorry if you didn't like the answers.

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[sleepy11]

 Shadowracer your post of "Nascar is only tops in hype" should have preceded my comment of "wouldn't that be offensive to nascar fans " not followed it . This seems to be predominately a regional board so it would only stand to reason that it would not have the anonymity of the international boards that i previously mentioned like nascar.com . I don't think i would classify anyone as hiding behind a screen name in this day and age of the internet as it is only reasonable for several reasons that i don't think i need to explain other wise we would all be using our full names with our home phone numbers in our signature . I did not read enough pages of your personal posts i suppose to get to the point where you began to start to " nurture Jr Racers" and refrain from using expletives on a fairly regular basis .

  At no time did i ever state or infer "they do it this way or that way on other boards" that argument is juvenile and frankly beneath me . I did say i have never had any problems on any of the other boards i have ever been on , there is quite a bit of difference. My statement of  "I sure cant argue the point that you have different rules guidelines and moderation policies , they are different depending on who you are , so please don't pee on my back and tell me its raining out . " was just that a statement not a question .  Your reply of'  I'll only respond that you're the one that asked. Sorry if you didn't like the answers ". makes no sense at all.

  I understand from what you say that you have had problems in the past and have had to crack down . I have often seen when the pendulum has swung to far one way that in an effort to correct it the pendulum has been pushed to far in the other direction and this appears to be this case here to me .

  I have now carefully read the COC several times and believe i can post here given a little latitude . This discussion has been about beat to death and i now only look forward to having a civil discussion about racing .

  sleepy11

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[CanadianRacingOnline]

Can I now delete this topic?


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[sleepy11]

please

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[Shadowracer]

heh...OK. I'm profanity-prone?

Anyway, I'd prefer the thread be locked rater than deleted. Its been stated that deleting threads is extremely annoying...so I'll take the liberty myself.

click

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