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Re: Andrew Ranger in #22 Great Clips Dodge for Nationwide Race
« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2008, 12:25:19 PM »
Thompson and Steckly were paided a $1000.00 each to start the race and only run a few laps.
thats it, start & park. these teams do this at every race, there was never any intention to run the race. they get
35.000.00 to start the race. no sponsors, no crew. they make money doing this.

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Re: Andrew Ranger in #22 Great Clips Dodge for Nationwide Race
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Re: Andrew Ranger in #22 Great Clips Dodge for Nationwide Race
« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2008, 12:54:35 PM »
What is the big deal if you pay guys to start and they end after 2 laps or so. Who cares right? so why bother. Isn't this considered lying to your fans or something. They say they broke when they didn't.

I guess I'm not about the car count. I would rather see 30 drivers trying to win then see 43 drivers on the track just to fill the field.

I guess I really know nothing about racing or I'm not a true race fan as, I come to see all competitors trying to win and not just ride around in circles for a few laps.

So which one of these is trues? Thompson had ignition problems or not? I love the handling ones. You go into the pits and can't they fix this? I see all NASCAR drivers saying the car is not handling well and the Crew Chief says we will fix that when you come in. Maybeair pressure adjustment or a little wedge adjustment.

Boy I really don't know my racing as I never knew handling issues can't be worked on.

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 162 Brandon Whitt  Ford Specialty Racing  49/0 7 Brakes
 161 Stan Barrett  Chevrolet INTERUSH.net 46/0 7 Brakes
   90 Don Thomson Jr.  Chevrolet MSRP Motorsports  43/0 2 Ignition
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Don't get me wrong I love NASCAR racing and need a fix every week but I think they don't need fillers. Maybe all sports have this, I guess golf does as well as you don't make the cut you don't play the final rounds.

Maybe hockey should do this, just put the best players on the ice. OK that wouldn't be fair the Leafs would only have a couple players on the ice. Just joking







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Re: Andrew Ranger in #22 Great Clips Dodge for Nationwide Race
« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2008, 01:16:57 PM »
until you step into their shoes dont call them down. if you really dont like it turn the bloody tv off. Field fillers are a fact of life when the economy is hurting always have been always will be.

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Re: Andrew Ranger in #22 Great Clips Dodge for Nationwide Race
« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2008, 01:28:44 PM »
Who am I calling down Hill3. How is that a part of racing cheating fans of seeing a full field trying their best for the win or a good finish.

Why should I turn my TV off? You still haven't said why there has to be a 43 car field? If the economy is so bad save the money you pay the field fillers and pay 37 or 39 cars a purse then you are saving 180,000 or 120,0000 (Based on 30,000 to stat the race)

It's not about the drivers but filling the field. Making up a problem why they left after 2 laps. Put in the reason as filler not handling.

Hill I guess you like being lied to or could care less about seeing a field of cars going for the win but you would rather see a full 43 cars on the track.

Well I like to see an underdog break the top 20 or top 10 but I hate seeing cars drop out for no reason.

We all have the rights to our opinions and telling me to turn off my TV maybe something you would do if you dislike something but I like to voice my opinions as that is my given right and you can't take that away from me.

until you step into their shoes don't call them down. if you really don't like it turn the bloody TV off. Field fillers are a fact of life when the economy is hurting always have been always will be.

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Re: Andrew Ranger in #22 Great Clips Dodge for Nationwide Race
« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2008, 02:01:23 PM »
the fact that they can not afford the second set of tires is a good reason. also Field fillers are a fact of life always have been always will be. the only time they go away is when the economy is good. car counts are down all across north America from woo to local shows. the fans are not stupid they know who are Field fillers and who is not.

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Re: Andrew Ranger in #22 Great Clips Dodge for Nationwide Race
« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2008, 02:09:27 PM »
Not true Hill3. You and me and other true and some others may know filler but a lot of people have no clue there are fillers in the field.

Why lie and say they had a problem and that is why they left the race. Say filler if everyone knows.



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Re: Andrew Ranger in #22 Great Clips Dodge for Nationwide Race
« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2008, 02:12:22 PM »
11 million fans know that morgan shepard and mike harmon are going to park their cars unless someone donates a set of tires to call it lying is just tabloid journalism imnsho.

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Re: Andrew Ranger in #22 Great Clips Dodge for Nationwide Race
« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2008, 04:02:45 PM »
I'm just calling it the way i see it and lying is ok to say something is wrong when it's not?

The whole point did you get your moneys worth because 43 drivers started the race? I know I could careless if 43 started. 39 is still worth te money to see a NASCAR race. I would still pay the same amount to see 30 drivers race.

If you ask me paying out an extra 120,000 to 180,000 for filler drivers is a waste of money. Give the money to charity and let the fans know this and I bet they don't mind a few less cars starting a race.

Tabloid journalism? that would be making things up that are not true and that's not the case here.


to call it lying is just tabloid journalism imnsho.

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Re: Andrew Ranger in #22 Great Clips Dodge for Nationwide Race
« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2008, 08:37:18 PM »
stan barret did say in a live interview on sat radio that he would not be going out in the rain as he did not have rain tires and that was during the time they were given to switch to them. so I'll call BS on the brakes.

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Re: Andrew Ranger in #22 Great Clips Dodge for Nationwide Race
« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2008, 08:54:33 PM »
stan barret did say in a live interview on sat radio that he would not be going out in the rain as he did not have rain tires and that was during the time they were given to switch to them. so I'll call BS on the brakes.
he'd probably brakes lotsa things running slicks in the rain  ;D

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Re: Andrew Ranger in #22 Great Clips Dodge for Nationwide Race
« Reply #40 on: August 03, 2008, 09:39:27 PM »
Hmmmm..........it would appear that the "moderator" has found a forum for expounding on his opinions of the workings of NASCAR.......in a real world the moderator sticks to moderating.....not using this medium as a soap box to belittle the opinions of others..........Swervn OUT!

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Re: Andrew Ranger in #22 Great Clips Dodge for Nationwide Race
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Re: Andrew Ranger in #22 Great Clips Dodge for Nationwide Race
« Reply #42 on: August 04, 2008, 12:31:44 AM »
Everyone knows I'm a member here and as a fan can't I have my say? Belittling others you should start reading all that was said before you post.

If you don't like it you don't have to read it.

Start your own site and just moderate it. This site has human moderators that can interact on the site.


Hmmmm..........it would appear that the "moderator" has found a forum for expounding on his opinions of the workings of NASCAR.......in a real world the moderator sticks to moderating.....not using this medium as a soap box to belittle the opinions of others..........Swervn OUT!

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Re: Andrew Ranger in #22 Great Clips Dodge for Nationwide Race
« Reply #43 on: August 04, 2008, 12:55:28 AM »
Wow who knew the issue of  9 Canadians trying to qualify for the Nationwide race would lead to an all out brawl on the start and park program sponsored by NASCAR.  I'm happy that Thomson and Steckly were paid $1000 for their efforts as the amount of work they go through to get to the track each week in and out on the Canadian Tire side deserves a better pay off.  Don't worry I'm not going to go off on the payout at the NCATS races since from what I've seen posted on the sites it appears that the payoffs are definitely getting better just not where it needs to be yet.

I fully agree with Evan on the issue of only starting 30 plus cars for an event instead of the field fillers.  I also understand it costs to rent equipment for the races but my question back is if they knew they were going to only run a couple of laps and then park did they really make $1000 since they would have had to pay off the cost of renting equipment?  And why didn't they come back out when cars retired after them as they would know how many laps they would need to run to gain that extra money minus the cost of running the rented equipment?

  If the issue is the field fillers then maybe we need to bring in the top 35 rule like the NASCAR Sprint Cup series for all series since that seems to have minimized the field filler situation??LOL

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Re: Andrew Ranger in #22 Great Clips Dodge for Nationwide Race
« Reply #44 on: August 04, 2008, 01:32:47 AM »
I said I thought some drivers just did it for the quick cash grab. Edited by me missunderstanding who paid the 1000.00

Then I went on to express my opinion why do they need fillers.

Do filler make the race better?? No they go for 2 laps and say something is wrong with the car when it is not. If everyone knows there are fillers why make up a problem with the car when they park after 2 or so laps? Makes no sense to me and many people have no clue about fillers and if everyone did there would be no need for them.

I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone. I'm trying to ask what is the big deal of having them are they needed and what for? As I stated before who does this benefit? The fans? No, They come to see all cars racing for a win.

The fillers yes they get cash for this and I have no beefs with that as if someone told me to be a filler and all I had to do was qualify and run to laps for a lot of money I would do it and you would be out of your mind to say no.

Now why does NASCAR do this? I know they want 43 cars to start and they have been doing this for a long time but why is it a huge deal? 39 cars can put on a great show?

I think I summed it up. I'm not attacking peoples opinion or drivers. I'm just curious to what the big deal is of having 5 or 7 less cars on the track and that is all.

I have No beefs with NASCAR and it they can do what they want just asking a simple question.

in the 50's they had over 43+ cars showing up to race and Darlinton and Daytona. Then later on it became 40 for for large tracks and 32 for small/short tracks mid 70 and 80's. Then Nascar made it 43 cars because of the championship provisional and this was for large and small/short tracks. This doesn't explain why fillers are needed and used?

Also read this on the net (I'm not the only on that questions why fillers are needed)

NASCAR Nationwide Series director Joe Balash said he has not been privy to discussions about shortening the fields in 2009.

NASCAR NEXTEL Cup Field Fillers Are A Disgrace
Drivers that don't have the basic resources shouldn't be on the track
By Steve McCormick, About.com

Feb 23 2004
Last weekend in Rockingham NASCAR had to work the phones and raise the minimum purse in order to ensure that there were 43 cars on the track. This lead to a few drivers who had no business being on the track taking the green flag along side of drivers who do.
As of the middle of last week there were only 38 drivers listed on the official entry list for the race. According to a persistent rumor, the TV contract stipulates that the race include a full field of 43 cars or there are financial penalties for NASCAR. This forced NASCAR to dig up a few drivers who just didn't have the resources to compete.

The most glaring example of this is 60 year-old grandfather of six Joe Ruttman. Joe hadn't entered a cup race in over ten years and his qualifying speed was over 11 mph slower than Ryan Newman's pole sitting pace. Ruttman apparently skipped both practice sessions on Saturday so as to avoid running up a tire bill.

In the race Joe Ruttman ran one lap and was parked by NASCAR because he failed to produce a pit crew! That's right, he showed up to the race, ran qualifying, skipped practice and ran one lap of the race completely without a crew. For his trouble Joe took home the 43rd place check for $54,196.

So did Fox get their money's worth out of him? Was he part of their show? His only contribution that I saw was that his name scrolled by on the top of the screen about 600 times: 43 Ruttman (Out).

I understand that NASCAR is in trouble but is it really worth it to drag out these embarrassments just to have 43 drivers take the green flag? I'd much rather see the best 36 drivers racing than to bring in people who clearly don't belong.



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least amount of cars was the 1975 Richmond 500 22 cars


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