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Scooter · « **Reply #30 on:** July 23, 2007, 12:50:32 PM »

Swaybar'''LOLwhy not I f People Want to Cheat Why not let them Pay for it

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Thayne · « **Reply #31 on:** July 23, 2007, 12:56:56 PM »

because, I think what he si saying is, they can;t afford to and will jsut go race somewhere else...sometimes all people do is put every racing penny they ahve into doing up their motor...if you have nothing left,you ahve ntohing left...

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Scooter · « **Reply #32 on:** July 23, 2007, 01:03:33 PM »

Oh So your saying they can afford to do their engines up for Cheating'' but can't afford to pay fines OK then I understand lol..

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Thayne · « **Reply #33 on:** July 23, 2007, 01:11:29 PM »

to be honest...yes, i am saying that...i know of ppl who DEFINITELY couldn't....

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Swaybar · « **Reply #34 on:** July 23, 2007, 01:17:45 PM »

People aren't alway full out cheating, they may be playing the foggy parts of the rule book, and they are not going to come and race at a facility that has fines when we do this for fun and not for a profession, to pay additional money to the track if they are caught illegal. Besides it depends on when you go through tech, some people get away with things and are told have it fixed by next week and others get dq'ed for the same thing. How far would that be person xy got a fine but i just got a warning (nah nah nah). How would you feel if it was you?
If they are fully purchasing a cheating motor, it should be able to be caught in tech (and it will only be a matter of time before they are), the only instance that I know of for sure was the 44 & 4 pure stock who refused to tear down and left the track. If you want it changed why don't you apply to be a tech person, i hear there is a job opening? I don't know why anyone would want it, cause they get treated like crap and I am sure the pay matches.
I don't agree with them firing Joe....I think he tried very hard and put in a huge effort and did research some issues, but i don't think they should have hired him in the first place. He was a driver, he knew everyone already and he could (i say could) have had favorites or enemies. I don't think he is like that though. I don't think that his daughter has help at all with this situation, both with her conduct and the track and her mouthing off here and according to my kids on facebook. She should be keeping her insults and opinions to herself if her father is part of the track staff. Not that she don't have the right to her opinion but she needs to keep it quiet. I know as an employer that i would not be very impressed with the conduct she shows. I alway find Joe's son to be very helpful and does not bad mouth anyone. Kudos to him.

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hellothere · « **Reply #35 on:** July 23, 2007, 01:18:03 PM »

scooter check out this situation;if you raced and bought a 4 cylinder spent all your money on set up and got dq,d for too much camber and got fined what would you think?? if you bought a wrecking yard engine and somebody had shaved the head previously due to warpage or something you get dq,d and fined what do you think?? before you look at something open your eyes look at it from many perspectives and it becomes very hard. I work at the speedway and have heard many complaints about Joe from many drivers and most of them are crap but the track still heres them, so maybe blame the drivers who caused all the sh## for Joe and not the track. If anything all the track did was stick up for him but sometimes there is just too much and its better to take the politics out of it!!!

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Swaybar · « **Reply #36 on:** July 23, 2007, 01:19:27 PM »

well said - hello there

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K-man · « **Reply #37 on:** July 23, 2007, 01:29:52 PM »

Quote from: hellothere on July 23, 2007, 12:15:08 PM

I think that this decision is right. Joe is a great guy but no tech man at any track should be linked to drivers it causes contriversy no matter what, and then the tech man gets judged that he or she is biased even if they are being fair. Its not fair to the tech person, track or other drivers in that division. I spoke with Steve because I was surprised to hear this and he said there was too many people judging Joe and it wasnt fair to him or anybody else, he also said that Joe was a good guy and a good tech man they just need somebody who has no ties to cars there.

I really have to strongly disagree with your statement about Tech people not being linked to drivers. After reading your post, where are you going to find an experienced and knowledgable tech person who doesn't have some tie or connection with some racers. The necessary experience and knowledge to be an effective tech person, in my opinion, can only come from involvement with actual race cars at a race track and the unfortunate part is it's impossible to not come in contact with other racers while gaining the necessary skills and knowledge required unless you live in a bubble. Where do you suggest we find someone who is not in contact with or knows racers who is qualified to tech race cars?

We cannot work on the premise that everyone teching cars is dishonest. There are some of us who are able to tech race cars with an open mind and regardless of who the driver is, we can make the correct decision as to the legality of the part being teched and a fair decision made. I would also hazzard to guess that the people making the accusations toward tech people are most likely the same people that most likely are the ones who have many infractions on their race cars and all their complaining is just a smoke screen to cover up their illegal activity.

The tech people I know are doing this service to the racers because of their willingness to help racers compete on a level playing field and not because they can allow their friends to pass through tech with an unfair advantage. Teching race cars is a job that also needs a high level of intergrity and the best way to maintain that integrity is make sure that your friends/relatives are "lily white" with any part that is on the race car.

I don't know who Joe the tech man at BSW is but if the posts that I read on this subject are accurate, BSW has done a great disservice to the racers who wish to compete fairly and the racers at BSW should show their support for him to the track owners.

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Scooter · « **Reply #38 on:** July 23, 2007, 02:03:26 PM »

Well Said K-Man I guess I got told lol''

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Pinecrest · « **Reply #39 on:** July 23, 2007, 03:13:19 PM »

I disagree with K-Man I don't see why they cant find tech people not linked to drivers . Sunset has been able to find an owner , flagman announcer and most of their staff that are not linked to drivers or to racing in anyway.

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K-man · « **Reply #40 on:** July 23, 2007, 03:35:51 PM »

Quote from: Pinecrest on July 23, 2007, 03:13:19 PM

I disagree with K-Man I don't see why they cant find tech people not linked to drivers . Sunset has been able to find an owner , flagman announcer and most of their staff that are not linked to drivers or to racing in anyway.

Because I don't know the history and background of the owner and employees at Sunset, I really can't make a comment on their links to other drivers. I have met with Glen and Fred from Sunset a number of times in the last few years and I can tell you I have a great deal of respect for both of them.

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Pinecrest · « **Reply #41 on:** July 23, 2007, 03:42:46 PM »

K-Man that was a joke . I have known Fred forever and even if I think some aspects of the sport may have passed him by , I do think he is a very nice guy.
As for Glen I hear he is very good at running camp grounds.

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Thayne · « **Reply #42 on:** July 23, 2007, 03:43:26 PM »

K-man...Pinecrest was just doing some more of his Sunset bashing, by being sly with it...lol...i got it PC...for the record...Spencer is a great guy, so lay off him a little...

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Puppydogs · « **Reply #43 on:** July 23, 2007, 05:39:10 PM »

Well said K-man. You have nailed it right. BSW has probably done a great disservice to the racers that simply want to have fun and a level playing field.
As for cheater, caught once - dq'd, caught twice - suspended and lose your points, caught three times - gone for good.

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Pinecrest · « **Reply #44 on:** July 23, 2007, 05:43:52 PM »

I agree YORKIE if you are caught 3 times you should be gone for good as you are an embarrassment to all us good cheaters

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