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Canadian Oval / Road Racing => Canadian Tracks => Delaware Speedway => Topic started by: jworacing on March 09, 2010, 05:09:54 PM
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Any body ever seen these babies?
(http://www.racingwisconsin.com/images/column_photos/ARP5.jpg)
http://www.arbodies.com/ngb/ngbbodypackages.html (http://www.arbodies.com/ngb/ngbbodypackages.html)
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not like it can get any worse
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how's that? care to explain?
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fibreglass parts, camaros, not steel bodies, no stock parts,
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All the parts are plastic or aluminum are composite and have you ever seen what $500 buys you for a parts car? Heres an example of you get and don't forget 2 hours of driving one way to get it :o
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BLKAEc6tSHU/S5RqV1KwyYI/AAAAAAAAEeo/6Qp0epctDkA/s512/IMG_1340.JPG)
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Well you didn't go to the link because all the parts are plastic or aluminum and have you ever seen what $500 buys you for a parts car? Heres an example of you get and don't forget 2 hours of driving one way to get it :o
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BLKAEc6tSHU/S5RqV1KwyYI/AAAAAAAAEeo/6Qp0epctDkA/s512/IMG_1340.JPG)
from what I've heard lately that might not be as far a long in the future as you might think
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From what I understand there is one already being built as we speak.
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how many Super Stock teams got $2000 burning a whole in there pocket? I already know of one top Super Stock team that is not returning due to lack of funds. If all teams had to spend $2000 to stay competitive how many others teams would be gone?
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those bodies are allowed at sauble this year with a 50lb weight penalty mounted higher in the car
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The bodies are a great idea chasing all this old tin is a nightmare and lets face it most has seen better days and if it is half decent you pay big money for it.
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so, where the whole "stock" part come in then?
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thats one badass looking late model ;)
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Its too bad, but I can sort of see it going that way. Frankly I like the old Camaros and Novas, but as someone said, its tough to get body panels. And it's not getting easier.
Too bad they don't do retro fiberglass, so you could at least get aftermarket versions of what they're running now. SS will lose its distinctive nature if they run whats in that pic.
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those bodies are usually used with the metric chassis, which some people know, is a little difficult to set up. In all, it's the evolution of any motorsport, Heck, you can buy a metric tube chassis, that uses the stock mounting locations
The bodies are really cool ;D
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The bodies look great but the cost would diminish the car count. Like Wernham says not many ss teams could afford this expense. From what I understand there is fiberglass fenders available for the nova/ventura style cars. We already have the fiberglass front spoiler. Doors are fairly easy to fabricate and rear quarters are available at a reasonable cost. I agree with Shadow about the uniuqeness? of our division. I would rather see us left as is. The ss division is one of the strongest as far as car count goes and one of the most competitve in ontario in my opinion, which is a little biased of course.
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There are a couple of tracks out west where they have gone to cutting the bodies off older rear wheel drive chassis and mounting newer stock steel front wheel drive bodies on them for there SS class. Not to many really good options for the low buck guy.
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The bodies look great but the cost would diminish the car count. Like Wernham says not many ss teams could afford this expense. From what I understand there is fiberglass fenders available for the nova/ventura style cars. We already have the fiberglass front spoiler. Doors are fairly easy to fabricate and rear quarters are available at a reasonable cost. I agree with Shadow about the uniuqeness? of our division. I would rather see us left as is. The ss division is one of the strongest as far as car count goes and one of the most competitve in ontario in my opinion, which is a little biased of course.
and with tracks that all have different rules!! :o :o :o
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The way it looks right now,if you build a car to one tracks rules,you pretty much have to stay there!Sunsets super street with all the bells and whistles wont be welcomed at Kawartha on a regular basis
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The Novas are lucky to have a source for fiberglass parts (stock?) but no such luck if you run a Camaro. With the Camaro's you need search high and low for parts. I've had only three in 2 years.
I agree with the nostagalia pount of view but these cars are 30 years old and good usable parts are expensive so I'm not buying the cost arguement. I've just cut apart a Camaro this week for parts and breathing the toxic fumes cutting this POS up is total crap. Not too mention the intial cost of the car and having to drive 2 hours to get it. The inevitable is going to be just that inevitable, we are going to run out of donor cars eventually, why do you think we can run ex hooters and cascar stuff? cause there are no cars left! As far driving people out of the sport due to cost that's a little bit reactionary, as we have $1200 in a rearend!! that is now pretty much obsolete. Change is a bitter pill!! As a point, I'm not wanting to change anything I'm merely pointing out it is going to come to a day where it will happen. The question is when do we start to embrace the change, when do we see what the ramifications of that change are if any? Do you think a bodies such as that is going to have a performance difference? And most importantly what is going to be the reaction of the fans?
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Just a thought...wouldn't it be cool if we could do "newfangled" and "vintage" in the same swoop, and find someone who'll supply fiberglass re-pops of 57 Bel-Airs and stuff?
To the eyes of your average Joe Race Fan, SS could almost be seen as a retro division anyway. Back in the 70s the guys were running coupe bodies that were just as old then as these Novas and Camaros are now, and I'm always surprised that they don't play up the older muscle car angle more often.
Just saying. ;)
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I guess it all depends on what you call inexpensive but aftermarket body panels are available. They don't fit great for a restoration but for Stockcars they should work.
This site has pricing but I know you can get any and all these at CBS in London on Bathurst. If you get to be a regular customer you can haggle with them also but I'm probably telling you guys stuff you already know.
http://www.rustrepair.com/ (http://www.rustrepair.com/)
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Ernie I did some web research and Cross-Canada is way cheaper with a better range of parts. Personally if you want to keep things in perspective price wise a new JR Latemodel is going to run $10K so it's all on how you look at it
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one theme on some of the American boards regarding this same topic is that some teams claim it's a lot easier to show off a 2008 Monte Carlo (for example), than a 1978 Nova, to any potential sponsor.................
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it is for sure...i know my sponsor prefers the loook of my car over the others in the class...he says it looks like a race car....
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SS right now still to a certain extent holds onto the 'stock' feeling that us old guys remember and love. I would hate to see it turn into what amounts to another LM division. I know there is nothing stock about these cars but then again there hasn't been a monte carlo made with rear wheel drive since the seventies. If you could mount all the stock sheet metal (what there is of it these days) onto an existing SS chassis then you could move forward with the division and hold onto some traditional looking cars. Turning SS into LM or a kit car series would remove the character that the division has now.
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I agree whole heartedly with you on the character aspect but again at what price? We have wonderful division at a great track and it's supported by allot of other divisions. But man it's tough to keep things relavent with 30 year old cars. Does newer stuff attract more people? how come Legends really never took off around here? I'm not implying anything I'm asking. My sponsors loved our Metric with the 5 Star Body but nobody really likes the Camaro nearly as much. Everybody thought the JR Latemodel Monte we had was scream and most people who looked at a picture of thought it was a real full size car! If perception is reality how are people (the fans) percieving the Super Stocks accept for us old guys who has seen a Nova on the street lately :o any way just spit balling for what might be in a few years from now.
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dosen't Perormance bodies have camaro bodies/parts in the circle track ads, I think the SS/Thunder car classes bodies should be at least 10 years old becouse the last thing we want to do is confuze the fans and have the SS class be known as the slow Late Models, however you are going to run out of metric frames at sometime too so what will we do then.
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That one was tried and disallowed :-[ I'm thinking that might need to be revisted. As far as metrics go there is a bit of a shortfall with them. They are available in some what reasonable numbers but that will soon dry up as you say. Those G-bodied cars are destined to be the new muscle-cars. Ithink if you could recycle an old LM or cascar or whatever into a decent car with an aftermarket body that's going to keep the supply of cars readily available and cost effective. In the US several different things are being tried with good reception and acceptability.
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www.springportmotorspeedway.com (http://)
Springport is running what they call the "ABC Stockcar Series".
Sportsman stockcars (like the car that started this thread) to Thunder style cars, and anything in between.
Regardless of what kind of car you have, you race with a group with similar qualifing times.
A B C and even D features as car count allows.
Outside of a superlatemodel, just about any full bodied stock car will be legal to race, very minimum rules.
Seems they have quite a bit of attention and interest.....time will tell.
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Any body ever seen these babies?
(http://www.racingwisconsin.com/images/column_photos/ARP5.jpg)
http://www.arbodies.com/ngb/ngbbodypackages.html (http://www.arbodies.com/ngb/ngbbodypackages.html)
Personally I don't like the look of the above car.
As for where are we going. I personally like the Monte (which were made untl '88 in a RWD platform). All you really need to build one is a front clip, well any clip, then a full tube chassie (why not, quicker and earier than dealing with old rusted crap).
They you call Five Star or your local parts guy and buy this.
(http://www.fivestarbodies.com/images/News_88MC.jpg)
I also talked to Jeff W about the S2 Bodies from FiveStar.
http://www.fivestarbodies.com/bodyscat/S2.pdf (http://www.fivestarbodies.com/bodyscat/S2.pdf)
>>>it'll take a bit to down load sorry<<<
For $2k the time you save messing with crappy metal, fabricating, etc makes it worth while. A FiveStar Monte body (skins) was about $1000 so another $1000 for a full kit is a good deal, at the end of the first year you just replace the parts that need it. Like you all do now, but in less than 1/2 the time. There is no performance advantage, just a newer body. It'll happen some day, there is a reason we aren't running cars from the 40's, 50's, 60's and only a few from the 70's and 80's. Think about it.
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As long as there is more than one type of car. Maybe it's time to go with a common chassis and then put whatever stock body parts from whatever car you want on it. I would just hate to loose, what I called earlier, the character of the SS class. This is where the trucks have an advatage as you can still stay mostly stock with newer vehicles. I think we all know the days of getting a bone yard car and throwing a roll cage in it are gone but to go with a car that looks like the one that started this thread.........not my cup of tea as a fan.
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All the parts are plastic or aluminum are composite and have you ever seen what $500 buys you for a parts car? Heres an example of you get and don't forget 2 hours of driving one way to get it :o
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BLKAEc6tSHU/S5RqV1KwyYI/AAAAAAAAEeo/6Qp0epctDkA/s512/IMG_1340.JPG)
I coulda sold you a better one than that for $500 and it's not 2 hour drive
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I like that 88 monte body, i only your rules would let up a little to stock "appearing" from orginal OEM.
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Black magic you should have posted it then ??? Any way the S2 bodie is pretty much the same as the ARP isn't it. And you never said what Jeff said about the S2 body. OBTW my sponsor (NAPA) gave me great deal on a pair of Cross Canada quarters
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APC deals with cross canada as well. used them a few times and prices were very reasonable
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Yah the quarters were cheap but not the fenders so were going to fix up some crappy old ones for spares.
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for what it's worth, the Five Star metric body panels are pretty affordable. Not "found a $200 parts car" affordable, but for new body panels, they're quite good.
The problem is that Nova and Camaro bodies are becoming scarce. Up north it's actually kind of hard to find Street Stock/Super Stock classes that have a Nova in them, and very few Camaros--almost entirely Metric cars, because they're still slightly more common.
What we started doing the last couple of years at North Bay (not that that's saying much) is allow the use of late model body panels on "similar" old cars. So we started having the Camaro guys cut the car away and replace most of it with body panels from 3rd gen f-bodies (82-92), and Metric guys cut away the front end and most of the rear, and replaced them with fenders/bumper covers/noses from Luminas and Monte Carlos (89-98ish).
When done RIGHT (most were, some were not) the cars looked basically like slightly stretched/more square versions of the 1990s cars.
And god knows there's a ton of Luminas and FWD Monte Carlos in junkyards.
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camaro for $200
http://hamilton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-1987-Buick-Regal-Coupe-2-door-W0QQAdIdZ190196691 (http://hamilton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-1987-Buick-Regal-Coupe-2-door-W0QQAdIdZ190196691)
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Flamboror is making high performance axles mandatory...at least on the right rear. That's a positive step in the right direction. Kudos to Flamboro Managment for a brilliant decision
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Flamboror is making high performance axles mandatory...at least on the right rear. That's a positive step in the right direction. Kudos to Flamboro Managment for a brilliant decision
Great idea for sure,Mark Dilley at Sunset Speedway was the first to make both axles mandatory,all tracks need to follow suit or allow the 9" differential.
Mark has also made steel plating on the drivers door bars mandatory. :o
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5 star makes a steel body impala body,iam thinking you just might be seeing one of these, this year at one of your local race tracks that allow any steel body as per the rule ;) ;) ;)
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Chevrolet > Impala > Straight-Up Steel (older style Late Model Stock)
Straight-Up Steel (older style Late Model Stock)
These older style straight-up steel Impala body panels are available on a limited basis, while stock lasts. We recommend that our customers running these bodies update to the new Late Model Stock (LMSC) Impala
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Here is Sunset's body rule.
· Body must be steel and stock in appearance to the original vehicle.
· Tires must be inside fenders & scrub rails.
· Bodies may be interchanged between make and model
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Here is Sunset's body rule.
· Body must be steel and stock in appearance to the original vehicle.
· Tires must be inside fenders & scrub rails.
· Bodies may be interchanged between make and model
How do rule 1 and rule 3 work together? Do you have a common chassis spec? Does the engine make have to match the body?
With rule two are there body templates? Making a car wider or the scrub rail fat doesn't seem like it would be a problem to me.
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1&3 do work together...Its like you could put a stock body of 97 monte on a '85 rear wheel drive frame. In the south allot of tracks are allowing the use of stock FWD bodies on Stock RWD chassis
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Like I said:
What we started doing the last couple of years at North Bay (not that that's saying much) is allow the use of late model body panels on "similar" old cars. So we started having the Camaro guys cut the car away and replace most of it with body panels from 3rd gen f-bodies (82-92), and Metric guys cut away the front end and most of the rear, and replaced them with fenders/bumper covers/noses from Luminas and Monte Carlos (89-98ish).
When done RIGHT (most were, some were not) the cars looked basically like slightly stretched/more square versions of the 1990s cars.
And god knows there's a ton of Luminas and FWD Monte Carlos in junkyards.
;D
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To me the parts are to hard to find,,and when you do they want big bucks for them.
Then you have to spend to much time and money cutting them apart and I don't know about you but time still is money.
I feel its about time for a change on the body's these cars are going on forty or plus. Maybe 1 kid from every twenty knows what a Nova or a Malibu is.
To me that's not cool for the fan base for the speedway.
I have a 13 & 17 year old sons and they have know interest in s-stocks and I ask why and its the looks of the cars.
Most kids there on a Friday night with parents in stands are between 3 and 15 from the 90's and the 2000's.
So don't you think we should have cars they know today for them to have interest in.
I think that's why my kids like the trucks so much because they see them as drivers everyday on the streets then on Friday nights they see them at the track and they can identify them as a race vehicle.
Old school guys like the older cars like Chevy II and so on,,why because that's what they liked when they were younger and that's what was around at the time.
Don't you think to keep the kids intrested in the sport we have to give them cars they know,, with out the kids we have no sport .
Now you ask a 8 year old what kind of car bumblebee is and I bet you they can tell ya...
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I hear you 33. I am one of the guys that like the Chevy IIs and such but how do you bring in the newer body styles and keep to the SS rules or at least the spirit of the rules. There is no new car that can be raced even remotely stock. I know, I know, there isn't really any "stock" racing cars anymore but the SS is as close as we have now (besides the trucks) in higher level local racing series. Even the car pictured to the left, which is from 1969, wasn't "stock" but looked the part. The question is how do you follow the same spirit as the existing SS without just creating a less expensive LLM? I say less expensive but we all know how long that lasts.
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Well the mechanical underlyings of the bodies are truly the real expense, not the bodywork. To have the rules restricting the car owners so heavily as to what actual body you can run is somewhat short sighted. Given the fact that suitable bodies are hard to find and if you are forced to spend your money on rust repair panels that are pretty expensive it leaves you less for tires and such. The down force front ends that are currently on some of the Novas are way beyond the scope of the true intention of the stock rules. Novas never came with splitters!!!! The spirit of the no performanced enhancing modifications is well, shall we say blurry? Now I don't think there is a big deal to make about it, but I get alittle annoyed when you here so much bleating about "Stock" I wonder if my Brother in law gave me his '97 monte to cut up if the track or the other competitors would flip if I stuck it on the 'ole camaro chassis. This is the sort of thing that although was in good spirit when the rule was made has new become sort of obsolete. We are in trying times and working with whats economically available is more paramount then ever. The cars need to remain clean and proffesional looking but really is it such a big deal to buy an aftermarket body and slapped it on your 35 year old chassis? I don't think it's going to move the tenth place car in front of leaders!!!
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Here's what needs to happen. You open the rules about the bodies. Let the old-school run the old school, and let the new school run the new stuff. That way it makes the majority of the field happy. You let the people with the bucks do the spending, and the ones without do the saving. Their Street stock cars, so everyone knows that there isn't going to be a huge aero advantage. If anyone wants to argue that...you better not be one of those people who hangs stuffed animals from your b-pillar. Another point worth mentioning, lets get Five Star, Performance Bodies or whoever on the phone,and get the ball rolling to release skins for the new Camaro, Mustang, Challenger. Tell me it wouldn't be awesome to see that.
Just my opinion.
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I think you have said better than I can what I was trying to say JWO. You too MOPAR. One set of rules for a chassis, one set for drive train and one rule for bodies. The rule for the bodies would be something like 'Any North American Sedan'. Then One word....STOCK.
The comments I have made in this thread are from someone who hasn't been active in racing for many, many years so take them as you will. All I know is what I like as a fan and I suspect what a lot of people like is to see a division of race cars that look like the cars we drive. This is why the SS and truck divisions are my favorite divisions. The cars that are now on the track just happen to be the cars that I grew up with and drove but if you could bolt on some Impala, Monte Carlo, Taurus, Grand Prix, Charger or as Mopar says Camaro and Challenger sheet metal on existing chassis then I say go. The thing is the bodies can not be allowed to morph into LM or LLM or ACT or purpose built shells. If that happened then the Spirit of SS that I and so many others find attractive is gone.
After the body on the 57 Pontiac (car to the left) was done my Uncle put a 64 Corvair body on the 57 chassis. It retained the 8 cylinder 302 Z for a year until he dropped to the 6 cylinder class for the next few years. Now neither of these cars were stock except for the bodies. This again is the attrative part of what was the class then and now. All the other stuff underneath is for the rules to keep the class competative.
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Ernie I really can't argue with your logic. Your comments and Moparacers are valid. it would be sweet to hang a 2010 Camaro on my 1980 chassis!!! The fans would go wild. and I say aero schmaero give us a stuffed animal. I'm looking for a stuffed kermith the frog! we will gladly compensate anybody who brings us a kermit the frog stuffed toy ;D
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How would you like to see a generic body ,,,to fit all cars.
Possibly a Camaro maybe Challenger and Mustang that would look stock and fit
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I'm not sure what you are trying to say?
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Well Barrie has had the "New Gen" car for several years now... Thayne's car is one, and so is the car I work on.
It's fabricated using "W" body GM, Chrysler Intrepid platform and the four door Ford Taurus among others. It's a bit of work but it costs substantially less than $2000 and there aren't any fibreglass parts. You can use the standard late model nose and tail cones, which are available for the LLM. I think the cars look great. The 5 Star '88 Monte is nice too, but there is nothing like getting into the 2000's... the fans love it. Guys, a Lumina / MC / GP, Intrepid, Taurus can be had for very low $$$ these days as a donor, and the fab skills will never hurt to have. It's your time and material. JCrash I don't know how they could accomodate the Camaro leaf car... I don't know the measurements for the later cars... all our cars are Metric. I'd rather stay away from 'glass if possible, unless you have CASCAR budget to replace stuff all the time...
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Well Barrie has had the "New Gen" car for several years now... Thayne's car is one, and so is the car I work on.
It's fabricated using "W" body GM, Chrysler Intrepid platform and the four door Ford Taurus among others. It's a bit of work but it costs substantially less than $2000 and there aren't any fibreglass parts. You can use the standard late model nose and tail cones, which are available for the LLM. I think the cars look great. The 5 Star '88 Monte is nice too, but there is nothing like getting into the 2000's... the fans love it. Guys, a Lumina / MC / GP, Intrepid, Taurus can be had for very low $$$ these days as a donor, and the fab skills will never hurt to have. It's your time and material. JCrash I don't know how they could accomodate the Camaro leaf car... I don't know the measurements for the later cars... all our cars are Metric. I'd rather stay away from 'glass if possible, unless you have CASCAR budget to replace stuff all the time...
When I was running street stock I had always hoped they would stay as far away from the stuff barrie was doing with the new gens as possible, those things are the worst looking race cars in North America. I haven't been a fan of the way the Delaware cars have been going (probably why I never finished the last car I was putting together ;) ) but hey, whatever, maybe that's why some of us have moved onto other things.
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if u saw my car this year, you wouldn't think so.....
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if u saw my car this year, you wouldn't think so.....
1 nice car doesn't make it a good change
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http://www.historicnws.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=509 (http://www.historicnws.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=509) car looks bad ass
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I never really had any trouble working with glass, and the results were pretty darn good. Tears are easy to mend and nothing wrinkles!
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if u saw my car this year, you wouldn't think so.....
1 nice car doesn't make it a good change
All I can tell you is that during auto sessions...the fans always come to our cars in the thunder line first it seems...not everyone will agree...
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it all basically boils down to what u prefer. I think the new gen stuff doenst look that good. I have only been to delaware once and there super stock class looked awesome. Most of the cars had nova bodys and i think they looked great. The 88 monte 5 star body looks great its nice to still see the older stuff. Just to me seems the new gen stuff wants to look like a llm without being a llm. But thats just my opion.
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Agreed it is a matter of personal taste but all the cars in the Super Stocks are now classified as Vintage!!!
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Correct--pretty soon the cars'll be called the "Canadian Vintage Street Stock Series." :-[
That's why I think there needs to be an affordable late model body solution to put on the old chassis... Ala NASCAR, we can keep the chassis and engine combinations we have but work with the bodies. Either by mixing and matching body panels on our own or buying a kit like Five Star's. Only problem is, Five Star only sells the Monte SS body for Street Stocks... They'd have to produce some modern Monte/Taurus/Fusion/Avenger/whatever bodies that fit G-Body and F-Body chassis.
I like seeing the badass old cars too... Hell, there's even that dude who runs the '69 Firebird, how awesome is that. But it must be a BITCH for him if the car goes in the wall to put back together. :P
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Since I think we all agree that the issue boils down to the fact that no new cars built today can be turned into stock cars as they were back in the day, let us assume we have solved the problem and we can now bolt on any sedan body onto your existing frames. What STOCK body would you use? Stock wheelbase to match the rules you have now. Your choice is any North American sedan (two door or 4) between 1990 and 2010 . Considering that the past 20 years no matter when you start has probably been the historic range to make stock cars. Oh ya and why?
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Since I think we all agree that the issue boils down to the fact that no new cars built today can be turned into stock cars as they were back in the day, let us assume we have solved the problem and we can now bolt on any sedan body onto your existing frames. What STOCK body would you use? Stock wheelbase to match the rules you have now. Your choice is any North American sedan (two door or 4) between 1990 and 2010 . Considering that the past 20 years no matter when you start has probably been the historic range to make stock cars. Oh ya and why?
It's kinda hard to make a rule based on a WB number. Since you have to take out 6" or 7" for most of these cars to make them fit... Example: Intrepid. Hey guys I've been to Delaware and I have said the SS class is like a time warp back to the 80's, it's awesome. I must say the cars are very well prepared too. But to trash Barrie's New Gen and say they are the ugliest cars in North America, come on... We put a lot of work into the car to make it look good and do what we can under the rules package. And we don't spend $2000 on an aftermarket body. The 5-star MCSS body is $1000, you wanna pay an extra gino for a "newer" style, go nuts. I'd rather put the $1G into shocks or tires or rims or whatever. If you want to go to some subpar LLM class and change the chassis you're messing with the formula that is clearly working for this class of car IMO.
I dunno about Delaware, I'd imagine it would be different but we have a lot of contact and body repair is a weekly thing so 'glass doesn't work for us again IMO.
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Does it matter? the whole question is does it really matter what you use? Hell I'd be happy slapping a monte body on the camaro shell. I don't care as long as the car ispresentable to my sponsors and the fans. I don't think the rules should be so stringent about bodies. I can get anything in a metric but no so much in the Gen 2 fbody. I can get gen III stuff but again with sacrap cars hoovering around $500 why not just go to 5 Star? save the hassles and the toxic fumes!!! Just to be straight here I'm not complaining cause I think were ok for this year for parts but it was a bit of a hassle to get thru the body part hunt. We even has some spare for the enduro guys!!
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Related but slightly off topic maybe....
This car was sold at Barret-Jackson. Chevelle skinned Cup Car.
(http://highwinds.barrett-jackson.com/items/Fullsize/Cars/89325/89325_Front_3-4_Web.jpg)
(http://highwinds.barrett-jackson.com/items/Fullsize/Cars/89325/89325_Engine_Web.jpg)
(http://highwinds.barrett-jackson.com/items/Fullsize/Cars/89325/89325_Interior_Web.jpg)
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?aid=323&ln=671&pop=0&it=1 (http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?aid=323&ln=671&pop=0&it=1)
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If I hit the 6/49 Ernie that car will be appearing at Barrie Speedway in King of The Hill... I dunno if I'd keep the pearl paint though... I think black and gold with #13 is more appropriate ;D
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King of the hill!!!!?????? That would be my summer car!!!
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It was billed as street legal :o
The only thing that was changed on the chassis apparently was the addition of coil over shocks.
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It was billed as street legal :o
The only thing that was changed on the chassis apparently was the addition of coil over shocks.
and it has a rack.
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It was billed as street legal :o
The only thing that was changed on the chassis apparently was the addition of coil over shocks.
and it has a rack.
You are correct Sir! Good eyes I missed that.
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And the door bars....
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Speedo..not legal in cup ;D
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I don't think chassis was ever a cup chassis by the looks of the front clip design, floor mount peddles, rack, coil overs, and control arms. Very cool car though!
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do you think Leon would pass it thruogh tech?
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I don't think chassis was ever a cup chassis by the looks of the front clip design, floor mount peddles, rack, coil overs, and control arms. Very cool car though!
That is what Mike Joy indicated it was.
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We just got back from sneaking a few pictures of J.R's new Super Stock. This is going to be the approved body package for next year. If you want you can place your order for next year and get your 25% off discount.(http://api.ning.com/files/x9EqstmaUHkwpnxwDGNEjIG7IMDFHPWVQeH5-Xy71pksO9mMZjs6ElG9JqfX7qFPE8nkZfUfPVglHyETUoE5uTtWQ874CG9j/japan_rides_5.jpg)
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it needs to be green.
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We just got back from Sneaking a few pictures of J.R's new Superstock. This is going to be the approved body package for next year. If you want you can place your order for next year and get your 25% off discount.(http://api.ning.com/files/x9EqstmaUHkwpnxwDGNEjIG7IMDFHPWVQeH5-Xy71pksO9mMZjs6ElG9JqfX7qFPE8nkZfUfPVglHyETUoE5uTtWQ874CG9j/japan_rides_5.jpg)
LMAO! Don't judge yet, it's not completely decaled yet. Jim, JR is gonna have a fit when he finds out that you leaked a pic. Haha
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came across this site for bodies www.raylinebodies.com (http://). they make steel bodies
monte carlo
buick regal
malibu
camaro
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came across this site for bodies www.raylinebodies.com (http://) (http://) (http://). they make steel bodies
monte carlo
buick regal
malibu
camaro
I heard they will not ship to Canada. Never verified it but that's what I heard.
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try mike at woodys hot rods and classics he can get just about anything from there
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That Rayline stuff looks pretty darn good ;D
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Theres a place in port huron that we, as Canadians, can ship stuff from the US, and for 5-20 dollars, you pick it up.
I got hit with a $100 charge from UPS for them having to clear a part though customs.
Thats what I thought
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Well you guys got to see the 2010 Camaro Sid came up with
What did you think?
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The Camaro is pretty cool ! As for the other cars, looks like George Barris has some followers :)
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It was good to see finally. Good job Sid and the future looks good for ss
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Well you guys got to see the 2010 Camaro Sid came up with
What did you think?
Apparently you have to go to Facebook to discuss it.
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Pictures of the New Camaro Street Stock Body
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs315.ash2/59565_1568470007618_1111475187_31718760_4378021_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs404.snc4/46730_1568473407703_1111475187_31718762_8058123_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs204.ash2/46730_1568473447704_1111475187_31718763_2829181_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs424.snc4/46730_1568473487705_1111475187_31718764_7436969_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs424.snc4/46730_1568473527706_1111475187_31718765_4821963_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs404.snc4/46730_1568473567707_1111475187_31718766_5425266_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs424.snc4/46730_1568473607708_1111475187_31718767_3679129_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs424.snc4/46730_1568473647709_1111475187_31718768_272783_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs204.ash2/46730_1568473687710_1111475187_31718769_131788_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs204.ash2/46730_1568473727711_1111475187_31718770_7685142_n.jpg)
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Wow........ just................. wow....
Perhaps there should be a Mustang / Challenger / Camaro Series....
I bet the fans would love that!
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(http://api.ning.com/files/x9EqstmaUHkwpnxwDGNEjIG7IMDFHPWVQeH5-Xy71pksO9mMZjs6ElG9JqfX7qFPE8nkZfUfPVglHyETUoE5uTtWQ874CG9j/japan_rides_5.jpg)(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs424.snc4/46730_1568473607708_1111475187_31718767_3679129_n.jpg)
I dunno which one I like better?
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You want to talk about unique that the fans LOVE and STUPID tough to find parts for? Try a '55 Pontiac LOL
Seriously though I'm always on the look out for fenders and quarter pannel tops if you've got anything
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You want to talk about unique that the fans LOVE and STUPID tough to find parts for? Try a '55 Pontiac LOL
Seriously though I'm always on the look out for fenders and quarter pannel tops if you've got anything
I saw a '55 or '56 Pontiac or Buick on Hwy 9 on the way to Orangeville. Sitting in some guy's driveway. I thought of your car as I drove past ;D ;D ;D
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A nice one or a junker that would liketo become stock car parts? Where abouts on 9?
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A nice one or a junker that would liketo become stock car parts? Where abouts on 9?
It's a four door... It looks like it has been sitting there for a while. It's a bit hard to see for the trees around it.
Sorry Dan I wasn't really paying attention, but it is on Hwy 9 in New Tecumseth township (north side of the road) between Hwy 27 and Orangeville. I didn't get a real good look at it, but I'm pretty sure it's a Buick.