Author Topic: chaos cars (Read 31848 times)

Shadowracer · « **Reply #60 on:** August 04, 2009, 09:05:21 AM »

One concept I've never quite understood is the idea of Chaos Cars as "moving up in the ranks" Race divisions don't have to serve as a feeder for anything else....sometimes they just are what they are...and in this case its just a lighthearted division meant to provide some fun and some laughs. Only thing it would really feed into, is perhaps running mini stox someplace else.

If you want to run enduro, you run enduro. If you want to run Super Stock you run Super Stock. You do whatever you can with what you have at your disposal. Sure, some guys see it as a ladder to be climbed, but I'd imagine most don't. Heck, even the top enduro guys have been doing it for so long that its doubtful you'll ever see them in a Friday night division.

I think this whole mentality at Delaware is a remnant of the CASCAR days when Super Series was supposed to be the Canadian version of Winston Cup, and that Friday night competitors were ultimately portrayed as competitors that were being "groomed for the big show" (and incidentally, where LM racing ended up getting so rough, as everyone wanted to think they were the next Jeff Gordon...ask George Wall about the decline of LM sportsmanship sometime.)

Current management has come up always being deeply involved in the Jr division, so the idea of "grooming" has always been there as a part of their MO...and righjtfully so, but I don't really see Chaos Cars as an extension of that. Chaos racing is what it is.

One poste above made reference to it being like a circus...and really, thats exactly what its supposed to be...nothing more, nothing less than a division that exists as something with a little crash and bang, and a few laughs.

I don't mean to sound snarky, but it just confoozles me utterly that anyone could have a problem with something like this. Maybe if they were dropping something else to replace with Chaos cars, then I could see it...but no one's taking anything away from anyone here. I just don't get it.

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CanadianRacingOnline.com · « **Reply #60 on:** August 04, 2009, 09:05:21 AM »

Sharpie91 · « **Reply #61 on:** August 04, 2009, 10:46:37 AM »

I'm I missing something here? Chaos class is entertainment peroid. No different then KOH. Either your entertained or your not. Meant for fun as drivers, but once you strap on a helmet.......... When run on Fridays, they run at the end, so the "show" is done and peeps can go home. It'd be nice if earlier for the kids but reg. fans don't want that. Besides track condition would be jeopardized.
On enduro events if they ran at the end, what would we do between heats and feature? Chaos helps narrow that gap in time. Having them there works best.
Some like the class, some don't. No dif then any other class.
Feel free to make suggestions, ideas on improvements not only on this class but the show in general.
Lighten up and let's go racing. ISMA racing that is.
Let's talk about that instead, positively of course.

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gwb5757 · « **Reply #62 on:** August 04, 2009, 04:28:33 PM »

Sharpie read your P m's

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CanadianRacingOnline.com · « **Reply #62 on:** August 04, 2009, 04:28:33 PM »

Silverstone · « **Reply #63 on:** August 04, 2009, 04:38:37 PM »

The concept of Chaos cars IMO is a great one, I love the competition of the "higher" classes, but I can't help but think that some people tend to take things a little too seriously! Thumbs up to Delaware for creating a class that is truly for fun! Hopefully more tracks will follow suit.

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Dougy109 · « **Reply #64 on:** August 04, 2009, 05:29:11 PM »

Somebody lock this thread??!! Jeebus 5 pages now GO SNOT!!!

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hotseat · « **Reply #65 on:** August 04, 2009, 06:20:33 PM »

i think its a great thread and should continue!!! this is an open forum and no one is breaking any rules!!!! opinions are allowed and that is y i believe it was started...the very first post says he would like to know others opinions, and lots have been given and they are still rolling in......i like it and enjoy reading all the opinions myself!!!!

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Snotrod · « **Reply #66 on:** August 04, 2009, 07:45:19 PM »

Quote from: Dougy109 on August 04, 2009, 05:29:11 PM

Somebody lock this thread??!! Jeebus 5 pages now GO SNOT!!!

LOL you kill me man

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charger · « **Reply #67 on:** August 04, 2009, 08:12:08 PM »

from the outside looking in and never having seen the chaos cars run i believe that there is genuine strong opinions from both sides of the storey, however runnig a mini stock myself for the past 5 years and having been invloved with ministocks since their second year at barriespeedway i have also heard some of the same opinions way back when we started. if you keep up the passion it will grow

hey snotrod i love your passion for what you do keep it up and it will rub off on others and mabe it will help the class

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Snotrod · « **Reply #68 on:** August 04, 2009, 08:20:48 PM »

Quote from: charger on August 04, 2009, 08:12:08 PM

hey snotrod i love your passion for what you do keep it up and it will rub off on others and mabe it will help the class

Thanks dude, I appreciate it. I've been waiting my whole life to race, so I have alot of passion for what I compete in. Put me in any race car and I'll drive the wheels off it. Good luck at Barrie, Charger.

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hotseat · « **Reply #69 on:** August 05, 2009, 12:35:01 AM »

lol

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bornagain · « **Reply #70 on:** August 05, 2009, 11:08:14 PM »

for all u people that dont' like the chaos cars

SHUTUP, Many people do like them. They are a fun class to watch and even race. Yeah sure its not as professional as the APC late models but who gives a crap. Not everyone can afford the high end apc latemodel cars so there needs to be the lower end divisions. Even the enduros are expensive to get into because of drivers like the goertz brothers that have cars that could compete in the superstocks if they just got a set of hoosier tiers. The chaos cars are cheap and as a result are an affordable class for someone who has never raced before to get into it.

Therefore,
We have all had enough of the complaining. just because u dont like the cars doen't mean others don't.
SoSHUTUP
This topic should have never whent this long. An admin or moderator should lock it since every reply is the same thing(complaints)

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Shadowracer · « **Reply #71 on:** August 05, 2009, 11:19:51 PM »

Quote from: bornagain on August 05, 2009, 11:08:14 PM

for all u idiots that dont' like the chaos cars

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This topic should have never whent this long. An admin or moderator should lock it since every reply is the same thing(complaints)

Actually no, there's been a lot of valid opinions and points of discussion. And if a thread goes long, it means there's still stuff people want to say.

Calling folks idiots and telling them to SHUTUP doesn't and won't work here however. (the majority of us here are not 10 year olds)

You have to do better than that Bornagain.

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bornagain · « **Reply #72 on:** August 06, 2009, 12:19:27 AM »

I get the point that everyone has their opinion. I just hate it when people bash a race class juat because it is not "very professional". This whole thread is basically people bashing the class with some of the actuall chos car drivers supporting the class. Some people just need to realize that there is always classes for first time racers and that is what the chaos cars are. Alot of these people seem to be the people that should just watch nascar if they want professional racing instead of Delaware races. Yeah there are alot of good drivers on the track but many of them dont respect other lower divisions and that just isn't right.

I never did say that others opinions arn't valid. I simply said that all most people are doing on here is complaining and these people should shut up because its annoying. Also the only reason i said to shut up is because its is anoying when the only new posts on this thread is someone bashing the class again.

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hotseat · « **Reply #73 on:** August 06, 2009, 03:30:18 AM »

bornagain,

if u do not like the thread then stop reading it, who the hell r u to say when a thread should be closed and call ppl idiots, if someone does not want to respect the chaos cars they dont have to, the person who started the thread asked for opinions, u have given yours, so y dont u SHUT THE HELL UP and let others voice theirs.

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Dougy109 · « **Reply #74 on:** August 06, 2009, 07:14:55 AM »

I was making light of this thread earlier, when I said it was 5 pages long. I apologize if it has caused others to lose their temper. @bornagain, easy killer.... I don't think your class is going anywhere (Delaware canning it), and if you read most of what people are saying they are stating some facts. Chaos cars are a filler, and supposed to be a "gong show". So go out and show them that, do well at it and don't worry about it. That does not mean you guys as competitors are "gong shows", it means the class is designed/and is doing what it's supposed to.

I know of a lot of oldtimers, who thought the exact same way many years ago about Enduro. We had very little respect from some of the Friday night drivers, and I remember them openly stating it. There are a few drivers who moved up, and have done great. But it still bothers me, to think we were the "gong show" (except a few cars that ran circles around the majroity... still the same today) at one time.

Anyway, I was making light of the conversation earlier. My humor sometimes is misjudged, or down right dry.

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