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medic take some time and do the math for what nascar gets from the tracks and series sponsers and then total purse money and see if there is a black hole there.

I am only stating the facts....
This series, or any other series of this size, cannot survive without sponsorship when the folks that acctually run the deal couldnt give two cents about the teams orthe future of the sport.
As long as Nascar keeps paying out mini stock purses this will never change and you will see less and less teams even trying to make the attempt to compete in the series.

If all of you guys that keep telling me, I am beating up the series, were to wake up and started to see things in my perspective you would all see where I am coming from.

We all understand that Sponsors are very hard to get at any level, and when asking for a half a million you get real use to having the doors clsoe on your face.
Saying that, the only thing that is going to save the NCTS is Nascar themselves.

Cut out the stupid rule changes that cost money, leave the motor program alone, and for once open up you wallets and make the payout enough that teams can at least make an attempt to run on winnings instead of running on debt.

In the next year they are going to loose so many cars because of the cost and the poor payouts...why not make an attempt to fix it now is all I am saying.

Its the worst of two evils really...
The more teams that leave the NCTS the higher the car counts go in OSCAAR, the OSS, and Saturday Night Late Model feilds....

Now that I have said that, ( light bulb went on) just let the series die so we can build our own Canadian Owned series back to what they used to be.  HellYa !!

You will never hear me every bash the NCTS on here ever again, instead I wish them all the worst of luck so we can get back to Canadian Racing on our terms !!

Sorry for the inconvience over the past year.

Morgie maybe I wrote it wrong or you didnt get the gest of what I was saying there.
The Walmart deal came with Andrew, and if I am correct Walmart even came on board to sponsor Tag...my point is if Andrew left so would Walmart more then likely...and at that time Dave would pack it in....
Jacombs is not stupid and he knows first hand what it takes to race in the series..
Do you honestly think he would stay if he had no sponsor ?

Your idea of Petey driving the other car is only based on the fact that Andrew is staying on because without Andrew there is no Walmart, thus there is no second car.

I like Dave and have kknown him for a long time...unless you know something that I dont, like the fact that he found Slacks old money tree in the back yard, I dont think Dave is crazy enough to ever try and run this deal out of pocket.

Lets face it...at this level it costs big bucks, and unless you have it to throw away why bother as this series is never going to land you a huge sponsor or a Cup Ride.
Not on Driver in this series has ever been given a ride based on there exposure of running in the NCTS...not one and for argument sakes I will list the 3 drivers that you will more then likely come back with....

D.J.- Made the move from Cascar to run in Hooters Cup, from there went onto Busch to run Randy McDonalds stuff.....D.J. pays his own way with little sponsor money that he found.

J.R.- Won the Cascar Championship in his second year by being a very talented driver with a ton of money behind him, and the best teamate money could buy...Donny
His move to run Trucks, or Arca Cars is only done so on the fact that they have a ton of money, and that is what gets hime seat time, although I still consider him as one of the best drivers in Canada by far.

Donny and Scott- yes were hired to drive in the Busch race at Montreal, but only because they had active Nascar credentials, and the fact that they were told the experance would only last about 5 laps as they start and park cars.

Petey- Came into Cascar like a firecraker and took home Rookie of the year.
Next because of his standout performance in Cascar he was invited to the Roush Gong Show where he finished 6th over all but was kept on to drive because guys like Edwards and Martin saw the talent.  
Just like J.R. he has great talent and right up there with J.R. except for one thing, they dont have as much money and that is the only reason that he is not down south racing.

If you know of anyone that has been given a ride in Busch, Cup or Trucks that got the ride because of his talent in the NCTS please inform us all, and when I say a ride that means just talent alone..not because he brought sponsor's or his own cash...that takes Andrew out of the picture....    




 

The Carpentier die cast cars were available in Zeller's because the Canadian Company that holds the Canadian rights to Patrick's merchandise is a wholesaler to Zeller's as well as other retailers.

Hey Racenut, I was up at the new Zeller's at Clappison's corners just a couple of days before Christmas and they had a ton of #22 diecasts, and I mean a ton. They had them marked down from $32.00 to $29.00, so I picked one up for myself and I told my wife, that I was going to go back after Christmas and get one for all my grandsons for birthday gifts as we had already bought their Christmas gifts. Because they had so many, I figured they'd mark them down to clear them out. To my surprise they didn't have too many left and they were back up to $32.00 again. I couldn't believe how well they sold! Now I'm hoping that Walmart brings out the #22 Andrew Ranger car for next Christmas.

B.A.R.
I am just curious where you got that information about Jacombs from?
Do you talk to him on a daily basis or even weekly about his race team?
I know guys who go to the shop on a weekly basis and they dont even have information like that.
What's to say that if Andrew wasn't in the car for the 2009 Season that another driver wouldn't race for Jacombs? Like Petey? Or maybe someone else... who knows...

 I would say that this article is very accurate. Motorsports Authentics was ahead of the economy decline as far as reducing product volumes and products. They started in this direction in the beginning of 2008. They pretty much had to, they were bleeding money. Anyone who attended a cup race last year probably noticed the smaller number of Souvenir haulers (as well as sponsor displays). MA is planning further production cuts in volumes in 2009. This should actually help the collectibility of some product lines though. New sponsors and product lines hopefully will help. We'll have to see how 2009 plays out.

 The Carpentier die cast cars were available in Zeller's because the Canadian Company that holds the Canadian rights to Patrick's merchandise is a wholesaler to Zeller's as well as other retailers. A lot of retailers weren't offered many of Patrick's souvenirs until well after the Montreal race. By then it was too late. As far as other merchandise. It's up to the individual teams to commission items to sell. This is also what I was told when I contacted Motorsports Authentics a year or so ago and asked about NCTS items. Teams can have anything they want made, but sometimes the cost isn't worth it. But kudos to Beyond Digital Imaging for putting some stuff out there. If more NCTS collectibles were available, I'd be more than willing to carry them in my store. I had a brief conversation with BDI at Cayuga Speedway last summer about the products they have to offer but haven't followed up on it yet.

This is why I like this site. Different perspectives, experience related info. Thayne and Auto, great info and obsevations. Thanx for the responses and I will take them to heart.