NASCAR coming to Cayuga Speedway

[Wernham]

are you racing NCATS next year BAR?

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[ernie]

I agree somewhat with what Ross and BAR are trying to say here but lets face it, NASCAR is NASCAR because of promotion and hype. You can't even see a "CASCAR" race live on TV for s**ts sake! TSN shows bowling or darts or some other crap stuff. When they do show the races it is cut up so badly that its hard to watch. Blackouts don't work, interest has to be cultivated. Look at the Super Bowl and the Grey Cup. The Super Bowl is CRAP year after year and the Grey Cup is way better football but what happens in Canada? Super Bowl partys etc because it is percieved to be "better" or despite Canadian's superiority complex we still flock to American stuff. Its the same with singers actors etc. They aren't seen to have "made it" until they have made it in the States and then after the novelty wears off we crap on them. The product sadly doesn't matter to all but the faithful. All the tracks in Ontario, and maybe Canada as a whole, need to form some sort of association and cross promote. Core fans are great but you need to fill those seats every week that are warmed by people who only go to one or two races a year. When was the last time you saw or heard of Peter Gibbons at a Crappy Tire or Donny Thompson at a Home Hardware? Tony Stewart did Home Depots in Canada. I have seen Gibbons show car at a Crappy Tire before but no driver so so what. Going to things like home shows etc is great PR, doesn't break the bank and adds value for sponsers. I realize that these guys have other responsibilities outside racing but you can't have your cake and eat it too. I may be blowing smoke out my butt here but as a fan these are things that I observe. I'd like to hear from those of you in the business am I out to lunch or do I have some merit?

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[Thayne]

Ernie, the cost of doing a live show is huge, especially when the races wld be competing with CFL/MLB and even a few NASCAR shows. They could never make any money...it is purely financial. Darts and Pool cost little to put on the air as those shows are packaged by another station/company and are then sold for pittles to ESPN/TSN/Sportsnet

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[AutoAssembler]

When was the last time you saw or heard of Peter Gibbons at a Crappy Tire or Donny Thompson at a Home Hardware?

Hey Ernie, Jacombs Racing, Walmart, Pro Sports Management and many others behind the scene did our best to get the #7 & #27 cars out to different Walmarts' across the country. Vernon & Riverside come to mind. The drivers were there too signing autographs. We had Andrew's oval car sitting right in the front lobby of our hotel in Montreal. The drivers did a special diner appearance thing in the hotel reastaurant as well. Our drivers were always being whisked away to promotional things, at and off the track. The day we did the M&M's thing, Andrew flew in from Quebec, Alex from Vegas and me and 2 other crew members drove up in the hauler to do the show (it takes a few guys to unload & prep the cars).

And I saw other teams doing the same last year, Erb was off doing their thing in Edmonton at the IH dealership, Fitzpatrick's team I saw at Home Hardware in Vernon, I had better not forget Jason with the A&W guys in BC., etc., etc.. I'm sure I saw Gibbons at Canadian Tire and I'm sure I heard Beauchamp was @ Dodge. I know our sponsor and management team even have their own show car and hauler doing shows as well, I've seen them in St. Eustache and Edmonton.

It's a hard thing to accomplish though logistically and financially. Most of us are volunteers, so yes, when we're in town for a race, we'll do some shows. We even went up to M&M's and did a little show for the employee's up there. I can remember when Whitlock used to have Ford for a sponsor, they used to come down to the plant in Oakville, we even had Bill Elliott's car on display down there.

Anyway I think these deals are all lined up prior to the contracts, sponsorships, etc., being signed and it's basically up to the sponsor & promotors to set this sort of thing up, and it is to their advantage, for sure, but like I say, sometimes it's hard to get all the stars aligned. I'm almost positive this was all agreed upon for this season before this thread was even started.

It all comes down to dollars and cents in the long run too! I think one of the reasons the teams have gone to the big haulers is because it's a promotional thing as well. But anyway Ernie, I'll ask Ford if they'll reconsider offering me the package again, and I'll gladly go on the road full time promoting Walmart, if Walmart wants to hire me full time? lol.  Now if we can get Ford to help sponsor us, I wouldn't even have to quit, the promotors could work something out amongst themselves and I'll stay on Ford's payroll???

I think you'll find in the states, it's the promotional companies working for and in conjunction with the sponsors & the teams that do the shows at various places and or the teams factor the promotional stuff in prior to contract time and have a separate team & equipment just to do this sort of stuff. That's like the Subway car of Carpentier's  or the 26 Crown Royal car that I have seen at different places in Canada. Just like there are separate vendor companies that haul & sell the team wares down south. Both Andrew & Alex had tents up at different vendor areas at some of our races last year selling t-shirts, hats, etc... for their fans.

Don't get me wrong Ernie, I'd like to see more promotional stuff too, I remember when Tony had the vendor trailers, I for one, pressured him on this prior, but when I reflect back, I think it was more of a pain in the butt than anything for him and I doubt if he made any profit? What Zellar's did this year, I thought was good, having Carpentier's 22 diecast for sale. Too bad Walmart didn't have a 7 & 27 car, even a plastic hauler, I would have bought a ton of them?
Ya and there's no reason why Home Hardware & Cdn. Tire don't have diecasts & plastic cars for sale again as well. I even aquired a Giant Tiger car years ago!

I think Beyond Digital Imaging was doing an awesome job getting souvenirs out to the fans. I know I kept pestering them for some of our team stuff, which they did get for us by years end, but what they explained to me too was, they had to get everyone concerned to sign off or whatever on copy rights, etc., etc, before they could go out and make up stuff with our sponsors names on. I"ll bet Evan, it you were to talk with them, you could probably set something up, to sell their stuff on here and make a comission???

Anyway Ernie, it's a complicated affair, but it is doable to a certain extend and is being done somewhat.

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[ernie]

This is why I like this site. Different perspectives, experience related info. Thayne and Auto, great info and obsevations. Thanx for the responses and I will take them to heart.

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[B.A.R.]

Wernham to answer your question if we are racing this year in the NCTS ??
After what it cost in the past I am 99% sure we are done with that crap.

How can I sell a deal to sponsors when I know its the biggest piece of crap out there.
The TV deal sucks, they advertise what we race for and that becomes the biggest joke behind the scene's with Corperate Canada, and we never even see a schedule till the final hour.... Can you blame me for saying this series is a joke...can you blame sponsors for looking at this deal like some type of charity bingo deal.

I think allot of the guys on here like Jason and Auto Asembler are top shelf guys but they need to ask one simple question.
If A&W pulls the plug on Jason...is he going to be part of this deal.
And for Auto Assembler...man if Jacombs didnt have Andrew he would be totally out of racing all together....mark my words...when Andrew leaves, Dave close shop and dont even try to argue that point.

If Dilley cant resign a sponsor..do you really think him and Dave are back ??

Gibbons had the best deal going and he walked away form it so he didnt have to be around when the bottom fell out...

Donny has one more year with Home...when its done - he's done...

J.R. is seeking sponsorship to move on to Trucks or Arca...can you blame him and his Dad for looking elsewhere...

D.J. is only here as long as Castrol is..when ther gone so is D.J.

Mick's is tied by Behond Digital, and thank god because if they were out so would be Micks.

Do you want me to keep going....
and how many cars do you think they will have this year

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[racenut]

 The Carpentier die cast cars were available in Zeller's because the Canadian Company that holds the Canadian rights to Patrick's merchandise is a wholesaler to Zeller's as well as other retailers. A lot of retailers weren't offered many of Patrick's souvenirs until well after the Montreal race. By then it was too late. As far as other merchandise. It's up to the individual teams to commission items to sell. This is also what I was told when I contacted Motorsports Authentics a year or so ago and asked about NCTS items. Teams can have anything they want made, but sometimes the cost isn't worth it. But kudos to Beyond Digital Imaging for putting some stuff out there. If more NCTS collectibles were available, I'd be more than willing to carry them in my store. I had a brief conversation with BDI at Cayuga Speedway last summer about the products they have to offer but haven't followed up on it yet.

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[AutoAssembler]

I just come across this article, it was posted on a US Forum and it could possibly hold true for us up here this year as well. I hope not?

It's regarding NASCAR merchandising in the US feeling the pinch. I was surprised how many haulers  Motorsports Authentics has already cut back???

http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/61125

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[racenut]

 I would say that this article is very accurate. Motorsports Authentics was ahead of the economy decline as far as reducing product volumes and products. They started in this direction in the beginning of 2008. They pretty much had to, they were bleeding money. Anyone who attended a cup race last year probably noticed the smaller number of Souvenir haulers (as well as sponsor displays). MA is planning further production cuts in volumes in 2009. This should actually help the collectibility of some product lines though. New sponsors and product lines hopefully will help. We'll have to see how 2009 plays out.

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[Thayne]

I did notice that at michigan this year....

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[Morgie]

B.A.R.
I am just curious where you got that information about Jacombs from?
Do you talk to him on a daily basis or even weekly about his race team?
I know guys who go to the shop on a weekly basis and they dont even have information like that.
What's to say that if Andrew wasn't in the car for the 2009 Season that another driver wouldn't race for Jacombs? Like Petey? Or maybe someone else... who knows...

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[DWfan4ever]

Finally the best news about NASCAR i've heard in a long time, BAR is finally leaving it.  Maybe just maybe there will be less whinning about a series he supposedly supported.  I mean come on did we ever hear anything positive come out?  As has been pointed out by many drivers/crew members/fans on here on many different threads, all the negative talking is not helping any track/driver/team get the recognition they deserve from sponsors in Corporate Canada.  BAR you asked where you as NCTS drivers were getting any respect, well incase you missed it there have been new opportunities provided to some of the Canadian drivers to run in different series in the US ( no need to go through them as we both know who they are)  and if you listen to Sirius radio the NASCAR channel has had numerous discussions about the Canadian series and how strong/competitive it was.  Also listen to the advertisements for the Toyota All Star shootout, once again you get recognition as the up and coming drivers in the Canadian series. 

As for the reduction in haulers at NASCAR events, I was at Michigan the past 2 years for the August race and honestly I saw no decline in the number of locations I could buy my favourite drivers merchandise.  In fact I would say that there were more locations and there were tonnes of company's promoting their product in various locations around the track.  Yes its too bad that they are having to cut back but they were smart enough to get ahead of the game.  And for anyone thinking this is a surprise it shouldn't be since they announced they were cutting back their haulers in like September of last year so the writing was on the wall.  But it also doesn't mean they will come back once the economy returns.

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[AutoAssembler]

The Carpentier die cast cars were available in Zeller's because the Canadian Company that holds the Canadian rights to Patrick's merchandise is a wholesaler to Zeller's as well as other retailers.

Hey Racenut, I was up at the new Zeller's at Clappison's corners just a couple of days before Christmas and they had a ton of #22 diecasts, and I mean a ton. They had them marked down from $32.00 to $29.00, so I picked one up for myself and I told my wife, that I was going to go back after Christmas and get one for all my grandsons for birthday gifts as we had already bought their Christmas gifts. Because they had so many, I figured they'd mark them down to clear them out. To my surprise they didn't have too many left and they were back up to $32.00 again. I couldn't believe how well they sold! Now I'm hoping that Walmart brings out the #22 Andrew Ranger car for next Christmas.

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[Scoop72]

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[B.A.R.]

Morgie maybe I wrote it wrong or you didnt get the gest of what I was saying there.
The Walmart deal came with Andrew, and if I am correct Walmart even came on board to sponsor Tag...my point is if Andrew left so would Walmart more then likely...and at that time Dave would pack it in....
Jacombs is not stupid and he knows first hand what it takes to race in the series..
Do you honestly think he would stay if he had no sponsor ?

Your idea of Petey driving the other car is only based on the fact that Andrew is staying on because without Andrew there is no Walmart, thus there is no second car.

I like Dave and have kknown him for a long time...unless you know something that I dont, like the fact that he found Slacks old money tree in the back yard, I dont think Dave is crazy enough to ever try and run this deal out of pocket.

Lets face it...at this level it costs big bucks, and unless you have it to throw away why bother as this series is never going to land you a huge sponsor or a Cup Ride.
Not on Driver in this series has ever been given a ride based on there exposure of running in the NCTS...not one and for argument sakes I will list the 3 drivers that you will more then likely come back with....

D.J.- Made the move from Cascar to run in Hooters Cup, from there went onto Busch to run Randy McDonalds stuff.....D.J. pays his own way with little sponsor money that he found.

J.R.- Won the Cascar Championship in his second year by being a very talented driver with a ton of money behind him, and the best teamate money could buy...Donny
His move to run Trucks, or Arca Cars is only done so on the fact that they have a ton of money, and that is what gets hime seat time, although I still consider him as one of the best drivers in Canada by far.

Donny and Scott- yes were hired to drive in the Busch race at Montreal, but only because they had active Nascar credentials, and the fact that they were told the experance would only last about 5 laps as they start and park cars.

Petey- Came into Cascar like a firecraker and took home Rookie of the year.
Next because of his standout performance in Cascar he was invited to the Roush Gong Show where he finished 6th over all but was kept on to drive because guys like Edwards and Martin saw the talent.  
Just like J.R. he has great talent and right up there with J.R. except for one thing, they dont have as much money and that is the only reason that he is not down south racing.

If you know of anyone that has been given a ride in Busch, Cup or Trucks that got the ride because of his talent in the NCTS please inform us all, and when I say a ride that means just talent alone..not because he brought sponsor's or his own cash...that takes Andrew out of the picture....    




 

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