COT for 2009 Nationwide Series?

[AutoAssembler]

I'm  wondering what's going to happen to all the old chassis's kicking about in both the Cup & Busch series besides going to ARCA???

http://www.nascar.com/2007/news/headlines/bg/10/28/nationwide.cot.2009/index.html

Do you think they'll end up in the Busch East/West, NCATS & Mexican series possibly with a spec engine

http://www.circletrack.com/featuredvehicles/ctrp_0606_nascar_engines_testing_ls1/

and a composite body?

http://www.circletrack.com/featuredvehicles/ctrp_0704_nascar_racing/index1.html

If this can be done cheap enough, then our NCATS teams would stand a fighting chance at the All-Star race in Irwindale???

Bodine let the cat out of the bag on Sirius last week about the Nationwide COT, stating he was going to build a Busch car for 2008, but what would be the sense, when the car will be changing a year later, so he's going to try and win another NCTS championship next year!

I'm also thinking NASCAR will go with the Pony style bodies for the Nationwide series. I hope so. 

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[Mobil1fan]

I have no doubt that NASCAR's going to force NCATS/Mexico to move to the Grand National (aka Cup/Busch Cast-off) spec, no matter what they're saying about cost-saving or whatnot, as the bigger teams are making a stink over it, and NASCAR traditionally makes sure that the big teams don't suffer...

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[GiddyG]

I would like to see them go with the pony cars too.  That series needs its own identity. 

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[MID]

Some interesting stuff here as NASACR steps into the Technology of Racing a little deeper.
I don't know how many people saw the interview with Chip Gannassi on Speed, but when he was asked about the Car of Tomorrow(COT) he said the cost was very very high and it has all the Teams in over the head, at least if they were in water they better keep their mouths closed to keep from drowning !! Good way to look at it.
But is it really that big of a deal?
When NASCAR went from the full size cars in the early 80's to the Smaller Cup Cars, the Buick Grand Nationals, Monte Carlo's, Thunderbirds...the same deal for the Teams back then were under the same pressure to spend money to keep up with the building of new cars. It obviousally didn't hurt anyone back then and I don't think it will hurt Teams now.

NASCAR has changed over the years from the 'Good Old Boys' format of racing, to today's Multi Million Dollar operations that are deep into technologies in order to go faster and still be safer. When the COT was first mentioned everyone knew they had to move cars in order to stay racing and they also knew they were going to be spending money.
The trickle down effect of the current cars is something NASCAR had to take into consideration and by slowly changing rules in all the series they have found a way to addapt the current inventory into other series.
Everyone figures NASCAR is killing the Teams buy bringing in new cars but the truth is every race team would be building new cars anyway at the Nextel level, and buy changing to the COT it has allowed the other NASCAR divisions to rep the benefits of some huge savings on buying up the ex sisting stock of Cup Cars. When  they change the 'Busch' Cars to COT the same effect will take place and the cars will trickle down through the other NASCAR divisions.

When all these cars finally reach the NASCAR Canadian Tire Series it will be great for all the Teams and HUGE savings for everyone. Right now to build a new NCTS Roller you are looking at spending at least $30,000  by the time you are done.
The Cup cars right now are selling for anywhere's between $6500.00 and $25,000 complete with the very best componets money can buy. By the time all those cars hit here in 2010 they will be down to around $5,000 to $15,000 and the NCTS will benefit big time.
Where will the current NCTS cars go.. to the Ontario Sportsman Series and that is why it is critical that the OSS stays successful as a series, and knowing that you can understand why NASCAR does not bash the OSS, in stead, backs the efforts of the OSS, but not in branding....YET !!

NASCAR is doing the right thing much to everyones disbelieve and eventually everone will gain from this process.



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[Mobil1fan]

Might as well kiss the small teams goodbye, especially the non-Cup affiliated Busch teams, once this all comes around...Assuming everything comes down the pipe as you indicate it will, I have no doubt that the relationship between NASCAR and the OSS will change dramatically once NASCAR's done flooding the market with the NCATS-cast-offs...

Mind you, I will give NASCAR credit for thinking of safety, without having 2-3 guys die before doing something like usual...

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[hill3]

cot in the long run will cut cost to all teams. it will not hurt the underfunded teams anymore that they are hurting now. after the race on sat maybe it should be the tank of tomorrow.

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[Mobil1fan]

How would it help them? The Cup-affiliated teams are going to have 2-3 years of a head start on building the cars and setting them up, creating a huge competition gap. If the sport is truly growing, why move the rules and such to where the end result becomes less teams rather than more?

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[hill3]

nascar are not idiots, as much as i bash them they realize a healthy busch series is not where the cup teams dominate. the differences between the cup and busch cots looks like they will be enough so that the items you are worried about should not come into play one would hope,but i have been wrong before.

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[Mobil1fan]

I'm sure the "deal" they worked with ESPN was not one of their shining moments...

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[MID]

NASCAR making the decision to bring on the COT will help out the underdog as all the cars are the same, and could be called kit cars for that matter. The big expense will be the motors as that is the only thing that will be different form Team to Team, and of course the guy that can stand on the load peddle the most.

The COT is a start of things to come in Stock Car Racing, and all the old cars being shuffled down are a huge new performance and safety asset to every series that brings them in. You can bank on the Nascar CTS cars becoming ex Cup Cars by 2010... mark my words. I for one think that would be a huge benefit to teams here when you compare building a new CTS chassis now for $30,000+, in comparison with buying a ex cup car for $10,000 which already has the best of the best in parts on it.

The cost to the Teams right now may be expensive but in comparion to building 20 cars in the offseason to building 5 to replace them, its a no brainer and a good move on NASCAR's part. Remember- NASCAR is not going to do anything that will shut down race shops, instead they are trying to save the teams money and open new doors for new teams. NASCAR is not stupid. They know the Cars and the Stars are what makes the show- so why does anyone think they are doing this to kill themselves.

NASCAR is about safety first, level of competition second, and money third... which they all ready have enough of, but all said and done, NASCAR has made the very best decision by going to the COT.  

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[Mobil1fan]

NASCAR making the decision to bring on the COT will help out the underdog as all the cars are the same, and could be called kit cars for that matter. The big expense will be the motors as that is the only thing that will be different form Team to Team, and of course the guy that can stand on the load peddle the most.

The COT is a start of things to come in Stock Car Racing, and all the old cars being shuffled down are a huge new performance and safety asset to every series that brings them in. You can bank on the Nascar CTS cars becoming ex Cup Cars by 2010... mark my words. I for one think that would be a huge benefit to teams here when you compare building a new CTS chassis now for $30,000+, in comparison with buying a ex cup car for $10,000 which already has the best of the best in parts on it.

The cost to the Teams right now may be expensive but in comparion to building 20 cars in the offseason to building 5 to replace them, its a no brainer and a good move on NASCAR's part. Remember- NASCAR is not going to do anything that will shut down race shops, instead they are trying to save the teams money and open new doors for new teams. NASCAR is not stupid. They know the Cars and the Stars are what makes the show- so why does anyone think they are doing this to kill themselves.

NASCAR is about safety first, level of competition second, and money third... which they all ready have enough of, but all said and done, NASCAR has made the very best decision by going to the COT.   

"Safety First" since when, 2001? It only took 4 guys dying before they mandated head/neck restraints, 2-3 guys dying before they mandated pit road speeds, 5-6 guys before they quashed the Sportsman tour, 3-4 before they mandated fire suits, and coming within inches of a car getting into a grandstand before mandating restrictor plates. NASCAR's traditionally been reactive to safety measures rather than pro-active, and have only attempted to give the appearance of being pro-active after Dale Earnhardt died to save their asses (after throwing Bill Simpson under the bus failed to work). Unless, of course, guys in the know such as Jeff Burton, Bill Elliott, Dale Jr. and Tony Stewart are wrong...

I can understand where you're coming from about level of competition. There's definitely more teams capable of winning races across the board than ever before. However, at the same time, with the issues regarding officiating and inconsistency in rulings, it gives the level of competition an appearance of being semi-artificial, in that more manipulation by the sanctioning body is occurring (or at least more manipulating by ESPN, who knows)....


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[hill3]

point taken about safety but how is that any different than any other sanctioning body, nhra,irl  or sport for that matter. this is inherently a dangerous thing we do. no one is more responsible for my safety than myself.

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[Mobil1fan]

The other sanctioning bodies were on the head/neck restraint movement, traveling medical teams and the SAFER movement (IRL) long before NASCAR. While all sanctioning bodies have at one point in time been reactive towards safety, and while arguably some still have fundamental flaws (ie. IRL car design) in general most of the world's major sanctioning bodies worked towards being proactive in nature before NASCAR, in comparable areas. While racing is a dangerous thing, and while safety ultimately comes down to the individual, it's up to the sanctioning bodies to minimize the fundamental risks involved.

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[hill3]

that they acted before the death of dale sr there is no doubt, but the items you list all came after deaths in their own series, my only point is the they also react so to hold them up as a shining light is false. speaking as a dale sr fan the same safety item you list restictor plate, i believe played a large part in his death, all the drivers at that time knew of the hans or others and they made the choice not to wear them, "you cant fix stupid".

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[Mobil1fan]

Where am I putting them up on a pedestal? All I'm saying is that NASCAR was last to the proverbial party when it came to pre-emptive safety measures. Getting off topic, but frankly the largest thing that played a role in Dale Earnhardt's death, beyond the lack of a head/neck restraint, was the fact that he did not have his belts installed properly, which apparently would've failed regardless...

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