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Posted by: DWfan4ever
« on: November 17, 2008, 12:27:41 AM »
The point i was trying to make when I mentioned the OSS was that there have been numerous series "supposed" to start up and dominate the Canadian racing scene. ISA, and most recently the OSS. The OSS did see an increase in the number of cars for its events and the schedule did increase, however after watching both them and the NASCAR series I definitely would rather watch an NCATS race over the OSS. And as pointed out by southernsponsor, the current shape of the world economy is no where near in good enough shape to try and start a series from scratch and take on something that has been around for some time.
Posted by: AutoAssembler
« on: November 16, 2008, 08:48:41 PM »
4. tell gp3r , dont ask, tell them that we roll haulers in on saturday morning practice and qualify on saturday and race sunday. if they say we wont be the lead show...so be it, we need to cut costs, and if they want the best and closest racing in canada that is just how it is.
5. As team owners ,feed your guys and gals at A&W, its a very cost effective way to reduce your food and beverage costs.....have you had a full bacon and eggs breaky there.....its awesome!!!!!LMAO
You make some very valid points Jason. I especially like 4 & 5. I don't know how your team did it, but I can attest. Most of us volunteer our time and have full time jobs outside of racing and it's really not necessary to be taking extra time off from work, just to get to an event, days in advance. We use up our holidays for the series as it is. Besides, the fans at the GP3R would go nuts, if AR and our series were not there to race!  As for A&W, you know it's my favourite, just don't tell my step daughter & her husband who are both managers for the competition. 
Posted by: holland landing
« on: November 16, 2008, 06:13:06 PM »
The OSS or as most race fans call it the ISSH series (I Should of Stayed Home ) series is a bad comparison even to the NCTS .
Posted by: DWfan4ever
« on: November 16, 2008, 05:06:46 PM »
Isn't that also what we heard when the OSS was started that teams would move from CASCAR/NASCAR because they were going to be the best sponsored and supported series?
And from what I've seen of both series that is just not going to happen.
Posted by: racenut
« on: November 16, 2008, 08:51:51 AM »
Sounds like another Bruton Smith/SMI story to me. This group has been rumoured to be wanting to start a new series a few times over the years. They are the only ones with enough clout and race tracks to be able to pull this off. Bruton's no spring chicken and has stated in interviews over the past while that his interest in this project has waned. While his son is poised to take over the family business, I haven't head that he shares the vision of a new series. Besides, he also has shareholders to answer to. While I'm not opposed to a new racing series, the logistics of it succeeding make me sceptical. Nascar is the proverbial 900 lb gorilla of stock car racing. It's still considered the top level. Everything else, unfortunately is considered second tier. This new venture would still have to compete with Nascar for sponsorship dollars. If team owners, drivers, sponsors, or whoever wanted to race less expensively, I think that would just simply choose to be involved in one of the many other existing series'. Is a new series going to be able to attract many top teams or drivers? Not likely many. The top dogs will probably stay with the top series. The more racing the better in my opinion, but colour me sceptical on this happening.
To put this into perspective (to me anyway). In football, the NFL is king. What happened to the USFL, XFL, NFL Europe, Arena Football and any other new league? Even the (senior in existence) CFL plays plays second/third fiddle the the almighty NFL.
WHA anyone? Even Gordie Howe couldn't elbow this league to succeed.
Just like all the stories about new tracks in Ontario, I'm all for it, but I won't hold my breath for now.
Posted by: DWfan4ever
« on: November 16, 2008, 12:20:39 AM »
GREAT feedback Jason, finally someone on here that's in the series that is saying something positive about what has happened in the past 2 seasons under the NASCAR banner. I must admit if they were to reduce the series I'd be very sad since that would mean there would be less events in Ontario that I could attend but if that is the case I'll accept it and hope that within a couple of seasons the series will grow back so I can spend more time at the track watching you guys race. A & W is definitely expanding its company as I just heard that the one in the town beside my hometown is now open so when I go home to visit the family I know where I'm going.LOL
Any chance we can speed the calendar up cause I'm already sick of not being at a race track. Especially since I just looked outside and see its snowing out. UGH!!!!
Posted by: southernsponsor
« on: November 15, 2008, 10:20:07 PM »
sounds like a whole lot of feathers to me. ISA actually comes to mind. B.A.R. or (anthony from flamboro) your predictions have been grousely wrong before, but hey i will give you the benefit of the doubt. if you or anyone else thinks that NOW is the right time to start a new series, you are crazy. it costs an astronomical amount of dollars to get a new series off the ground, and not to mention a live tv package....the numbers are in the millions to land that, and you can garuntee none of the big networks will be giving anything away in the next few years. the world is in a media driven tizy (the sky is falling) this is not Nascars fault, but some people on here are going to hang them from the cross if 18 cars show up to cayuga in may. nascar is scrambling yes, but arent all busineses scrambling?? Here is my analogy of what nascar has done as opposed to what cascar did. when the eastern boys used to come to vernon as cascar they where always 5 or 6 tenths faster than the guys that run sunvalley week after week, with the same rules....hmmmmmmmm, kevin dowler, jim white, wade lee, getting beat (that bad) by the same rule book at there home track, what do you think was happening. SOOO now that nascar comes to town, we are only 2 and 3 tenths off, what changed....TECH, it weeded out the f%^^$$in cheaters that came out here and waxed everyone. And if you where in cascar for long you know exactly who i am talkin about. my team can knock off maybe a couple tenths at the track i have done a million laps on but the top dogs came back to us a few tenths, do you think they got worse as teams??? No they just have to stay honest beacuse the know tech is strict. SOOOO fairness is the only reason my team runs in the nascar series, i believe now that my team could be a contender in the next couple years, before.....no way!!! Now for all those people, who have no idea what it takes to operate a nascar race team in any division, NOT ONE OF US DOES IT FOR THE PURSE, get that driven in people, we dont do it for the money(except morgan shepard and johnny davisLOL), sponsors are supposed to cover budgets....not purses. Now the economy is going to direct how things go ....not Nascar, so dont hang them when shit goes down, its going to go down in all walks of life. lets stand together and be POSITIVE, if not the media dogs are going to take this recession to the next level by freakin people out, big time. As a business man i have started to brace for this in alot of different ways, my family businesses are preapring to not make much profit or have cash flow in the next 6 to 12 months, so our focus has changed. Pay the bills, keep your key people employed and weather the storm , and dont expect to make much of a profit if at all. keep the ship afloat so to speak. Nascar can do this as well, just a few suggestions: 1. lower the cost of a race to the promoters so in turn the promoters can lower the price to the fans , again tighten up your profit margin to get out alive. people arent going to stop going to movies and races on saturday nite, they may not take the family to hawaii for two weeks though. 2. dont even think of adding to the schedule, if anything decrease the schedule for now, take the tracks that have two races and only give them one. explain to them this is only temporary until the economy gets kicked back up. 3. lower tire allotments, 8 tires per weekend and thats it, good year may not like it....but we all have to take this hit together, its not forever 4. tell gp3r , dont ask, tell them that we roll haulers in on saturday morning practice and qualify on saturday and race sunday. if they say we wont be the lead show...so be it, we need to cut costs, and if they want the best and closest racing in canada that is just how it is. 5. As team owners ,feed your guys and gals at A&W, its a very cost effective way to reduce your food and beverage costs.....have you had a full bacon and eggs breaky there.....its awesome!!!!!LMAO Anyway folks, prepare and accept it now and it will be easier in the long run. Dont make yard sale Changes and jump ship because the grass is greener on the other side....its not...the grass is on fire everywhere, so find some water and put out your share. Then when things bounce back, we can all say we helped the cause. thats my opinion, sorry its scattered a bit but i was feeding my 10 week old and tryying to type at the same time, i think he just oiled the track!!!! oh well, i got lots of floor dry!! stay positive people #21 jason white 2008 rookie of the year. check out this story on wheels.ca this mornin. http://www.wheels.ca/newsFeatures/article/469953
Posted by: B.A.R.
« on: November 15, 2008, 08:47:48 PM »
There are talks right now going on from one of NASCAR's biggest and longest supporters, who also owns tracks and is a major player on the Nascar Committee board, that is leaving Nascar to start a new series. Nascar is doing everything they can to stop it, and that is the only thing slowing it down at this point in time. They have no intentions of racing at the level of the Cup Series, because as they said- it breaks Race Teams....
They said building the series to compete head to head with the Nationwide and Truck Series is very doable, and they also said they will make it cost effective for everyone involved. Its a new home for Champions like Ray Evernham and Drivers like Rusty Wallace Racing for example.
Again, I will not say who, or how many, or what Teams are jumping ship.
I will tell you it will be huge news, a huge series that will compete in the USA with 4 stops in Canada and will kick allot of Nascar butt, at the same time they start the new series, they will also be dropping their tracks for Nascar Racing all together, in exchange to fund a Live TV Coverage Package for the new series.
When you here about this, and who is involved, and what Teams and Drivers are jumping in, you will be delighted over the format, the races, and the cost to race and watch races. It's been titled Stock Car Racing 101 and that should give you an idea of what
is about to happen. I am going to the meetings scheduled for the first of the year, and if everything looks like it sounds...we just might have a new fix for Stock Car Racing.
Again- don't ask who or when, but I will tell you that the folks putting this thing together are very smart people and they are stating that the new series will be up and running by 2010 at 100%, although they will start in 2009 racing full time with their Sportsman Series.
If you are a Race Fan, you will remember the same thing happened to Cart when they got to big for their britches. Enough people got sick and tired of their BS that they went to Tony George and helped him develop a new series, now known as the Indy Racing League.
We all know who won that battle as they IRL dominated ticket sales, better venues, more affordable racing for teams, a great TV package, and an ever growing support base of sponsorships for Team's and the series. Where CART is right now, better have room for the likes of NASCAR !!
If you think that's all BS...tell you what..call me an ahole all you want after the fact !!
Posted by: Thayne
« on: November 15, 2008, 12:30:10 PM »
yea, the ARCA and East and West stuff is 110" Nationwide stuff is 105" i think.
Posted by: BENCHRACER
« on: November 15, 2008, 12:27:15 PM »
EVERNHAM is selling the 20% he has left in GEM , is building a new shop of his own and is going to be HOBBY racing.
He has the TV gig and by the looks / sounds of things has lost interst in being part of ANY NASCAR team.
ARCA uses the cup chassis not the NATIONWIDE thats where the cup teams unloaded a lot of their PRE COT stuff
Posted by: AutoAssembler
« on: November 15, 2008, 08:54:23 AM »
first the engine then maybe the car itself?
I think long term you might be right, longstreet? If that is the case, they'll be lots of engines & chassis for the O.S.S. to pickup. And on the flip side, if Nationwide goes to a COT, they'll be lots of those chassis' for ARCA/CWE/CWW/NCATS to fight over. Right now, I don't think the teams can afford even the engine change, but who knows down the road???
Posted by: longstreet
« on: November 15, 2008, 07:35:53 AM »
first the engine then maybe the car itself?
Posted by: AutoAssembler
« on: November 14, 2008, 11:07:21 PM »
The biggest problem is this engine will be allowed with a weight advantage making it more dominate. Why is that a problem??
Who is going to buy the engines that are currently owned by these teams ??
Well I have to agree somewhat on what BAR says about the new engine, if it is a go for 2009, (I haven't heard that it is yet), the teams will have to switch over to remain competitive, and their old engines, some teams have 7-8 of them, which adds up to a lot of money invested, will be obsolete and they'll have to almost give them away! Even if NASCAR does give the old engine/chassis combos some sort of weight advantage, I'm hearing, they'll still have problems keeping ahead of the curve, as the new lighter aluminum engine, will give the cars a lower center of gravity, more balance from front to back, the guys will be able to distribute the weight penalty where it's actually needed, from what I'm lead to believe, so not only does the new car have more horsepower, but is a different beast when it comes to handling as well. So it has the advantage in 2 areas, not just the extra horsepower. I think eventually NASCAR needs to switch, to bring our cars up to spec with the Camping World East & West Series, which one day will benefit all 3 series, but right now, in these economic times, maybe they should consider putting it on hold for a year or two? At any rate, guess its between the owners and NASCAR.
Posted by: DWfan4ever
« on: November 14, 2008, 10:48:16 PM »
You're right again B.A.R. attending Kawartha speedway every week this year (including the rain nights when they didn't get the word out early enough), attending 6 NASCAR Canada Events, Nationwide and Sprint Cup race at Michigan ( to mainly support our other Canadian Drivers Carpentier and Kennington) just shows how poor of a supporter I am of racing in Canada. And the fact that I normally try and shop at locations that are sponsors on cars means I just don't care as much as you.
Too blame NASCAR for not following through for giving you and your team "what it deserves" could also be said for the previous owners of the series under the CASCAR banner cause if you teams didn't put the cars in the fields back then and now we the fans wouldn't have a series to go watch. And that would mean that the tracks and the owners of the series would have nothing to make a profit from. Correct?
Everyone needs to work together and not against each other to make this work. Fans have to start showing up to tracks to support the series, and sponsors need to step up and put their support behind the teams in the series so that the teams can put on the show that they do for us fans. That way the sponsors get increased exposure because we the fans see their names and products at the track during the racing events.
Posted by: B.A.R.
« on: November 14, 2008, 10:34:44 PM »
DW, I'm not going to bash you, heck everyone has an opinion.
And I love the guys we race with, their all great racers and work hard week in and week out. We have some of the very best Drivers and Fans in all of Canada.
I just wish NASCAR would give us what is deserving of us and if you cant agree with that that maybe your the one not supporting the series.
The word ' Series' to me means 20 some odd years of racing with the same guys, and believe me, we have had our highs when this deal was Cascar.
Everyone thought NASCAR would make it better, including Tony, but man was he wrong, and worse yet, man were we all wrong.
There are allot of people out there that make us all good racers, and its a shame that there is another group that threatens to tear it apart.
Take that for what its worth, but don't ever think I don't like racing against some of my best friends. I am always raising hell to try and better the deal, which most times falls on closed ears. Sorry if I offended you.
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