Author Topic: 16v class (Read 2961 times)

disturber · « **on:** February 22, 2011, 10:59:37 PM »

just noticed on the schedule there is "new s4 16v class" on a couple dates. any details on this?

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CanadianRacingOnline.com · « **on:** February 22, 2011, 10:59:37 PM »

ministock19 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 22, 2011, 11:20:16 PM »

It is not a new class, but 16v are now allowed to run on invitational nites.Just have to meet your own home track rules.The invitational nites are usually the sundays on the long weekends(may 24/canada day/civic/labour day).Check the varney schedule for the actual dates.
I do not know if this includes the fall classic.
Kind of testing the water to see how the varney cars stack up to the 16v,could lead to allowing 16v full time in 2012.

****there will LIKELY be a weight penalty applied to 16v cars,might want to double check with varney tech****

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blackmagic · « **Reply #2 on:** February 23, 2011, 12:22:25 PM »

why would there LIKELY be aweight penalty?

Notice 16 valve cars will be allowed at invitationals only and will be ran in their own race

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CanadianRacingOnline.com · « **Reply #2 on:** February 23, 2011, 12:22:25 PM »

240racer · « **Reply #3 on:** February 23, 2011, 12:43:47 PM »

Thats stupid. A 12 valve Nissan makes more power than a sohc 16v Honda and you guys are allowed to run them.

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TireMan · « **Reply #4 on:** February 23, 2011, 01:40:06 PM »

More Details about this New Class to come... still working out the kinks.

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varneyspeedway · « **Reply #5 on:** February 23, 2011, 03:03:50 PM »

Before everyone starts crapping all over this idea, give it time to breath. The way things are going right now, we want to try and include 16v cars at Varney. They have been included on Invitational nights and will need to run 'hometrack' rules.

There are a few variables here as we test the waters of this division at Varney. Here are some of the possible scenarios that may present themselves as we proceed forward to incorporate 16v at the highbanks.

1.) If enough 16v cars show up for Invitational Nights, they will be split into their own division and run separately from the other Stock 4 cars.

2.) If only a few show up, they may be handicapped in order to attempt to even the playing field and, run with the regular Stock 4's.

3.) They may be allowed to run with regular Stock 4 cars but, Stock 4's will be scored separately and, will be rewarded with a "bonus" for every 16v that they place ahead of.

Now, before anyone gets all worked up....undersatnd that we are simply "testing the waters". We do not wish to alienate any of our regular competitors. We are working to find a medium that will accomodate what we believe to be a high demand amongst 16v racers to run at Varney.

Once again, the inclusion of 16valve cars at Varney Motor Speedway is a working model that we will be adjusting all season long.

Thank you.

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240racer · « **Reply #6 on:** February 23, 2011, 04:38:02 PM »

You already allow the 240's, they make even more power, there should be no different scoring for a 16v car. Every other track allows them. You can only stay in the 80's early 90's for so long. Reality is most vehicles these days are 16v if a four cylinder, and have been for the last 10 years.

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jcrashm2 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 23, 2011, 09:54:09 PM »

i for one applaud varney for atleast going this far...
flamboro doesnt run 16v's either...but allows them for invtationals...
we'll be seeing u...

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varneyspeedway · « **Reply #8 on:** February 24, 2011, 11:49:30 AM »

Quote from: 240racer on February 23, 2011, 04:38:02 PM

You already allow the 240's, they make even more power, there should be no different scoring for a 16v car. Every other track allows them. You can only stay in the 80's early 90's for so long. Reality is most vehicles these days are 16v if a four cylinder, and have been for the last 10 years.

You may be right here but, Varney has enjoyed a strong field of Stock 4 cars over the years that are not 16valve. This move may be more out of respect for our dedicated drivers in that we are not pulling the rug out from under them. We may be one of the last racks to allow 16 valve but, if we go all the way with this, it will be done in a gradual timeframe out of respect for our regular competitors that may want some time before building new cars if they so decide. We also want to give guys who don't feel they can compete with 16v a place to still come out and run.

I don't want to put the cart before the ox but, maybe the 240's need to be looked at in the future as well if it is determined that they share similar advantages. This, of course, is not the official opinion of Varney Motor Speedway, just a personal observation.

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TireMan · « **Reply #9 on:** February 24, 2011, 02:58:07 PM »

Quote from: 240racer on February 23, 2011, 04:38:02 PM

You already allow the 240's, they make even more power, there should be no different scoring for a 16v car. Every other track allows them. You can only stay in the 80's early 90's for so long. Reality is most vehicles these days are 16v if a four cylinder, and have been for the last 10 years.

Have you got dyno tests on this fact? I know they handle better at higher speeds through the corner, but I believe the horsepower output is very close to others.

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thinking about racing · « **Reply #10 on:** February 24, 2011, 03:57:35 PM »

i say run them as one class they do at sunset barrie and sauble
sunset and barrie have weight still based on cc with extra weight for 16v
sauble has car weights x amount of lbs per addvertised hp witch makes sense as the older cars are less hp and can take addvantage of the low weight that they are allowed to run

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240racer · « **Reply #11 on:** February 24, 2011, 07:27:15 PM »

Quote from: TireMan on February 24, 2011, 02:58:07 PM

Quote from: 240racer on February 23, 2011, 04:38:02 PM
You already allow the 240's, they make even more power, there should be no different scoring for a 16v car. Every other track allows them. You can only stay in the 80's early 90's for so long. Reality is most vehicles these days are 16v if a four cylinder, and have been for the last 10 years.

Have you got dyno tests on this fact? I know they handle better at higher speeds through the corner, but I believe the horsepower output is very close to others.

I dont need dyno sheets. It was in relation to a sohc 1.6 vtec 16v honda motor, which makes about 127hp, 240 is 140hp, 155ft/lbs of torque. Sure there are more powerful 16 v motors but thats not what I was talking about. and most of those are DOHC.

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blackmagic · « **Reply #12 on:** February 24, 2011, 08:05:24 PM »

the 240's have to weigh 2640 lbs, what do you think a 16 valve vtec honda should weigh then?

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240racer · « **Reply #13 on:** February 25, 2011, 01:12:39 AM »

2450 would seem fair to me, if we are comparing it to a 240. I have been beat by 16v hondas in my 240, but at the same time I have beat many more. In my opinion all of the motor combinations can be run together if the right weight standards are put in place.

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