Tom Walters, Wes Good, JP Jossaise, Jonathan Urlin, and Derrick Tiemersma on RTR

[racerfan44]

Barrie97 reguarding the comment on was he the guy running that back in the day (Alstar Series ).Yes his name is Joe Chishom and he ran that series and owned Sauble Speedway.As for the Tom Walters and his points problem with Sunset,Wes Good said the problem was from a race in June.Are the race sheets not kept at the track.Easy thing to do would be to get the sheets from that date in June or look at all races from that month.Not hard to do but if there was a problem with points why was this not brought up then (June) or is there something else here that I am not seeing.Evan do what you have to do.If it means calling in and giving an opinion go for it.Donot forget to contact RTR as this will be good for the site even thou some may not think so.

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[terrythetruthwilliams]

 Truth is I thought Evan did a great job going on air,the question he asked was in your face and very sincere it took a lot of nerve it was great publicity for CRO and they even said they would like to do a show about it, he asked Wes a straight question on air and wes said "CRO is bad for racing".What Wes fails to grasp is that if he is unwilling to give people an answer in Private then it will become public Wes is totally 100% to blame he created the problem.Not CRO,Not its Members,Not the Drivers and Crews not the fans,WES.

The answer to  Wes is --CRO is not bad for racing---but so far Wes has been bad for racing

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[CanadianRacingOnline]

CRO doesn't have to hide and I know the site is not perfect and I will be the first to admit to that but why shouldn't I call. What are the real hot topics with Wes and Sunset? CRO & Tom.

Why shouldn't people hear that. Wes never got to talk he got more chance then I did. Not the issues.

I was sitting here and think should I do it and I thought it would be fair to people hear how he feels about the hottest site in Canadian Racing and how it affected him.

His sponsor called him and why do you think that is because of what was being posted on CRO or because Wes is getting into battles with the members? People like to blame the site for these things.

yes we have handed out our Sponsor ad rates to bigger sponsors just nothing has panned out yet and that is one reason I want to get a better marketing plan together.


Can other sites or magazines do this nope and that is what makes us different.

i think it was super cheesy for someone to call the show and not even give wes a chance to really speak. why would you even bring up cro and risk negative publicity for this site and sunset? you buddy are a tool! what was your motive?

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[skidder]

Barrie97 reguarding the comment on was he the guy running that back in the day (Alstar Series ).Yes his name is Joe Chishom and he ran that series and owned Sauble Speedway.As for the Tom Walters and his points problem with Sunset,Wes Good said the problem was from a race in June.Are the race sheets not kept at the track.Easy thing to do would be to get the sheets from that date in June or look at all races from that month.Not hard to do but if there was a problem with points why was this not brought up then (June) or is there something else here that I am not seeing.Evan do what you have to do.If it means calling in and giving an opinion go for it.Donot forget to contact RTR as this will be good for the site even thou some may not think so.

Racerfan  From the posts put on this site ,and even an e mail posted by deb the scorer from walters asking for just what you just said, i think he was asking for someone to set a little time aside so he and they could go over all stats but was getting no response.Funny that they made a little time for the 4 cyl guys but not him.Changed their outcome by having an extra look.Why not give him at least a chance to show them where he thinks there might be an error.Whats a little time.

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[racingwrench]

I must have totally missed something about urlin and flamboro.  Can you get the radio show on the net later on?

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[Jackman2007]

Will Wes tell the Listeners on RTR to Bite Me?I hate to say it : But Wes needs to sometimes bite his tongue ( or me ! lol ) .  Just kidding but I do have a serious side .....Ooooops ! I'm sitting on it .   This is our passion or we all wouldn't be here . We'll never all have the same opinion , but this website is about freedom of speech ! Tell it like it is and how you feel about anything concerning racing . Anyone attending Sunset being driver , team fan or sponsor , we are his customers . How many of you have heard the customer is always right ? Well we all know its not true , but you should avoid conflicts with them whenever possible . Wes , pay attention , because I as a customer am watching how you handle your investment and I am only one of many . You will know when you let us down ! If and when you make changes for the good , they would be recognized here also . Our topics here can also help fill the stands . The balls in your court now , you've got a lot of work ahead of you .

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[rossevans30]

His sponsor called him and why do you think that is because of what was being posted on CRO or because Wes is getting into battles with the members? People like to blame the site for these things.

Its for the same reason that you had an issue, or a possible issue with a sponsor awhile back. People playing childish games. If I remeber correcly, the sponsor was WTF, and you quickly cleaned up the mess. Glad to see they stuck around, if it went unchecked would they have?

Name calling is what is scaring away sponsors. Trust me they don't like it, because they don't want to end up on the losing side, and will not risk sticking around. They are not ticked because someone suggested to run Sundays and another disagreed and said Saterday is much better, they are ticked over childish crap. XXX is XXX. Plain and simple.

Sunset is losing sponsorship over crap, maybe CRO might have had more opertunities without the BS. Both ways WE in racing are losing. We are shooting ourselves in the foot, correction a small few are shooting all of us in the foot...

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[rossevans30]

How many of you have heard the customer is always right ?

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So then those that called him certain names are correct.... Then what is the point if even discussing it, if thats what he is? It takes a bigger fool to argue with a fool.

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[CanadianRacingOnline]

Ross you don't seem to get it. it is not eye for an eye. Wes as a Track Owner and Businessman should never get caught up in it. No one saying he doesn't have the right to be mad or upset. But when you come on here and tell people to Bite Me. That is wrong. I advised Wes it was not a good Idea to comeon here and he thought he should and look at what has happened and now this is all CRO's fault. No People that come on the site know what can happen here and it is not like I set Wes up I told him it was not a good idea for him to post.

I don't mind being the bad guy there always has to be one why not it be CRO as it is not the first time someone has blamed us for losing a sponsor. It wasn't the fact they wrecked almost every race but again it was CRO's fault.

I have had some bad customers over the years when I sold computers and not once did I saying anything bad about them in a message or a forum as I knew this not good for my business. I guess I'm old school when it comes to customers as the customers are always right even if they are wrong. Doesn't mean I have to give them everything they want.





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[polishprince12]

CRO doesn't have to hide and I know the site is not perfect and I will be the first to admit to that but why shouldn't I call. What are the real hot topics with Wes and Sunset? CRO & Tom.

Why shouldn't people hear that. Wes never got to talk he got more chance then I did. Not the issues.

I was sitting here and think should I do it and I thought it would be fair to people hear how he feels about the hottest site in Canadian Racing and how it affected him.

His sponsor called him and why do you think that is because of what was being posted on CRO or because Wes is getting into battles with the members? People like to blame the site for these things.

yes we have handed out our Sponsor ad rates to bigger sponsors just nothing has panned out yet and that is one reason I want to get a better marketing plan together.


Can other sites or magazines do this nope and that is what makes us different.

i think it was super cheesy for someone to call the show and not even give wes a chance to really speak. why would you even bring up cro and risk negative publicity for this site and sunset? you buddy are a tool! what was your motive?

#1, this site isn't bad for racing, #2 i didn't know it was you evan and i figured if wes is unhappy or doesn't like cro, why give him the chance to say it on the radio and get negative publicity for this site. i guess bad publicity is better than none. personally, i've always been treated very well by wes but i understand others have differences of opinion.

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[Jackman2007]

How many of you have heard the customer is always right ?

So then those that called him certain names are correct.... Then what is the point if even discussing it, if thats what he is? It takes a bigger fool to argue with a fool.
[/quote]Ross open your eyes and ears . Your not God ,,,,so stop trying to take his place ! Stop coming on here and just jumping up everyones _ss ! Look .....your a racer , I respect the fact that you are out there and being part of the show . But sometimes you really don't know crap . So just to prove a point , I'll let you remain the fool and won't argue with your nonsense.

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[rossevans30]

Ross you don't seem to get it. it is not eye for an eye. Wes as a Track Owner and Businessman should never get caught up in it. No one saying he doesn't have the right to be mad or upset. But when you come on here and tell people to Bite Me. That is wrong. I advised Wes it was not a good Idea to comeon here and he thought he should and look at what has happened and now this is all CRO's fault. No People that come on the site know what can happen here and it is not like I set Wes up I told him it was not a good idea for him to post.

I don't mind being the bad guy there always has to be one why not it be CRO as it is not the first time someone has blamed us for losing a sponsor. It wasn't the fact they wrecked almost every race but again it was CRO's fault.

No Evan with all due respect, you aren't getting it.

You even said it above "Busniessmen should never get caught up in it". Evan you are a busniessman with your site here.

You got involved. You went on the radio to trap Wes about his comments on here. Problem is you got caught up in it. Were not objective, backed him into a position where he had nothing to lose and everything to gain, and he fought back. Of course he's going to make it out to be CRO's fault, what did you expect?

Plus you didn't research it very well. Whoever the Sauble guy is on there made the comment on the show in the past about "internet sites" most likely this one. "Same 5 guys makeing the same complaints all the time". Plus he's a track owner, has been criticized here himself. So who is he going to side with. Plus he has an axe to grind from Cascar Online days it seems. Off the mike, they set you up before you said your 1st word on the air.

"Stuff it" speaks for itself. It reflects poorly on him (Wes). I cannot argue that in any way, he shot himself in the foot.

But its equally as stupid as the name calling, from others here.

It appeared/appeard that you (and more importantly CRO) took the side of the name calling....

"Wes I understand that some things have been said, but I'm sure you understand its a pasionate sport. But if we can move on from that, and could you explain to me what Sunset is going to do about XXXX, a question the users of CRO would really like to know the answer to"
(xxx being a real issue, which shouldn't be hard to come up with since everyone has a problem with the place, not what someone thinks of Wes)

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[rossevans30]

[I'll let you remain the fool and won't argue with your nonsense.

Awsome, you are learning 

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[ladybugprincess88]

Anybody wanna pass a recap of what was said by Walters, Wes & Derrick as I really would've loved to hear it but didn't see when it was on to listen

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[racerfan44]

Racingwren reguarding the Urlin & Flamboro  comments you can get a rebroadcast of tonights show by going to the RTR site and clic onto previous shows .Think this one will be avaiable tomorrow evening or Wednesday.His interview is near the end of the show.

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