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NASCAR track talks ramp up
« on: October 09, 2008, 08:26:04 AM »
An article in the St. Catharines Standard.


NASCAR track talks ramp up
Fort Erie mayor visits Dubai in bid to seal deal on $150M speedway
Posted By JENNIFER PELLEGRINI AND DAN DAKIN, SUN MEDIA
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The wheels are in motion to bring a NASCAR-level speedway to Fort Erie.

Fort Erie Mayor Doug Martin is in Dubai this week, trying to seal the deal with prospective investors for the $150-million speedway.

With him is Jim Thibert, general manager of the town's Economic Development and Tourism Corp., and Ontario's minister of economic development and trade, Sandra Pupatello. The trio is working to lower the checkered flag on talks that would bring a 1.6-kilometre oval to the west side of the QEW between Bowen and Gilmore roads.

Sun Media attempted to contact Martin and Thibert in Dubai for comments after rumours began swirling in the community that an announcement could be made as early as today, but those efforts were unsuccessful.

Acting mayor Tim Whitfield would not confirm the nature of the trip, beyond saying the two Fort Erie officials are in the United Arab Emirates, where they are part of the Ontario International Investment team at the Cityscape Expo in Dubai.

"It's just an opportunity to hopefully cultivate foreign investment for Ontario and, most importantly, Fort Erie," the councillor said during Monday night's council meeting.

However, Regional Chairman Peter Partington's executive assistant, Neal Roberts, confirmed the chairman's office has received an embargoed press release about the development, but would not discuss what the release said.

The project is being spearheaded locally by Chippawa residents Jay Mason and his son, Jesse, an auto racer and graduate of one of the top racing engineering schools in the United Kingdom.

With negotiations at a critical stage, the Masons are keeping quiet about the proposal's current status and details of the project, but confirmed their investor has spent about $5 million on land costs and to complete a variety of studies, including environmental, sound and traffic assessments.

"We're working on it. We have an investor in play who has made a specific commitment at this point," Jay Mason said. "Diligence is continuing on.

"We've basically done every study we can possibly do. They're the maximum that can be mandated by the province," he said.

If the development is successful, it will be the only track of its kind in the country.

The group had tried to build a track on the site of the International Country Club golf course in Stevensville, but those plans fell through when that property was deemed unsuitable for what they needed.

The issue seemed to go quiet for almost two years, but Mason's group was laying the groundwork for the new location, which he said is far superior to the golf course site.

"It's closer to town, so it will have more economic benefit. The infrastructure solutions are better; we have two exits and we're directly highway side," he said.

He called the area ideal for a speedway because of its proximity to the U. S. border and the hotel rooms and attractions in Niagara Falls.

Mason said the economic benefits to the region would be overwhelming.

In addition to 80 full-time employees and 2,500 part-time workers, the track is expected to generate $150 million to $200 million per year for the local economy.

That's because racing fans travel long distances to attend top-level racing events such as NASCAR and Indy Racing League.

According to Mason, studies have also shown fans like to visit casinos and horse racing tracks, and that casinos see a 200 to 360 per cent jump in gaming during event weekends at NASCAR tracks in the U. S.

The population base within a 320-kilometre radius of Fort Erie is more than 26 million people.

"The benefits to Niagara Falls, Fort Erie and the region are pretty huge. It will drive more business into Fort Erie and it will benefit the whole region," Mason said.

Greg MacPherson, editor of auto racing publication Inside Track Motorsport News, said he has heard rumours of tracks planned to be built around the country over the years, but said this one seems to have more validity than the others.

"To their credit, they were smart enough to keep things quiet until they've lined up their ducks. The fact they think they're getting to that stage would lend credibility.

"A lot of times it's the other way around where people come out and show plans before they have any financing to back it and it just hangs on the vine," he said.

"People are justifiably cynical, but with NASCAR's success in this country, there's no reason that location couldn't support a big-league oval."
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Re: NASCAR track talks ramp up
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2008, 08:45:09 AM »
80 full time employees for a venue that is likely only in operation late April to Sept ? and 2500 Part time employees , what the heck are they planning to do with them.

Like the old saying SEEING is BELIEVING , love how we the tax payers pay to have people go overseas to get foreign investment $ and then when it fails we get stuck with the burden.

Maybe someone should have thought about saving the JOHN DEERE plant and the jobs of some race fans.

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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2008, 09:22:56 AM »
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Re: NASCAR track talks ramp up
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2008, 09:38:51 AM »
( the track is expected to generate $150 million to $200 million per year for the local economy.)


Who is going to race there that they will make all this money and all those employees to pay. They won't get a sprint cup race to close to MIS. I guess they know what is best build a big track and they will come. NASCAR fans doesn't mean they will support other racing series in Canada.



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Re: NASCAR track talks ramp up
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2008, 09:49:20 AM »

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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2008, 10:08:28 AM »
they get the numbers based on what they expect to have in the way of tourists and the money they'll spend to eat, sleep and be entertained while visiting in the local area.....
factor in that there is a casino and one of the wonders of the world within close proxcimity

as far as the job numbers maybe they are including the construction of the track as well.

really people.....if the place is built it will sell out....everybody reading this will go, unless you are so jaded by nascar you hate them with a passion....

it would be a 1 mile oval......what else could you ask for other than another bristol???

no mile and a half borefest.....i think people will come from all over to see another short track cup race....maybe i'm dreaming but i don't think so

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Re: NASCAR track talks ramp up
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2008, 10:25:41 AM »
When I see the track open I will believe it as I have heard it all before and didn't we see someone break ground for one in Niagara Falls many years ago. Wasn't Cayuga supposed to be turned in to a huge race track?

Places that have Casino's make money already, the casino's start to support the track. Isn't that what people were saying a while back. To fill the seats they will need a Nascar race or two a year.

I think a lot of people will feel the same way as I do as we have heard this over and over we are going to get a large race track in Ontario and it hasn't happen yet.



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Re: NASCAR track talks ramp up
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2008, 10:51:08 AM »
They won't get a sprint cup race to close to MIS.

That location is closer to Watkins Glen than it is to MIS...by about half the distance.  I do not think that issue will have anything to do with a decision regarding a Cup race at this prospective venue.

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« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2008, 10:54:26 AM »
I'll believe it when I see it too, but i think this seems to be a little more organized or a little further ahead than the other teases we had.....one thing is for sure they're going to the right area to get money....

let's see what happens....but i think the only way they are going to build the place is if they have some indication that nascar would like to be in this market.

every major pro sport save football have a franchise here...we are a major market, i believe the 5th largest city (GTA) in North America.  We like most of the same stuff they do and they know they have a very loyal fan base up here.

this location would seem to be the best possible place to have a major track...F-Cayuga they have wasted the opportunity i love the place but upwards and onwards there is F-all around it.....

maybe we should be placing bets on when the bubble is burst but i have a good feeling about this....

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Re: NASCAR track talks ramp up
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2008, 11:34:04 AM »
although i do not have slammers talent for picture one of brian france in a vendors outfit hawking "KOOOOOOL-AID for sale get your KOOOOOL-AID now" come to mind fast

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Re: NASCAR track talks ramp up
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2008, 11:46:56 AM »
we live in the area and dont think niagara falls is a big deal...but to people far away it's huge and nascar wants their fans to not just show up one day, they want them there for a weekend experience now...so i think a track close to the falls, casinos, 2 borders, discount shopping and lots of hotels would be attractive to them...not sure where the fulltime employees come in, what happens at michigan during the winter?
its awful we have to go to dubai to get money now tho, this side of the globe is slowly going in the tank.

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« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2008, 11:52:37 AM »
once fossil fuels are all soaked up that side of the world will crash in a hurry...

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« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2008, 01:23:12 PM »
Wonder how the VALUE of the land around the proposed RACE TRACK has gone up since the announcement ?

Having been to all the major NASCAR tracks here is some info , the majority of the FANS show up the morning of the race. There are some that take in the whole thing , practice , qualifying ecte and if its a companion race even better.There is a very small percentage that make a WEEK out of it.

 Look at the empty seats in the current stable of tracks

NASCAR got burnt trying to get into the BIG $ FAN areas , California never sells out , they tried for NEW YORK CITY that fizzled  and likely a few involved will be watching next years CHASE from prison.

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« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2008, 02:28:58 PM »
i think between ontario, and ny state and whichever other ones are in this radius of 320k or whatever it was determined there is enough population and demand to make it a success,
a contributing factor to the california empty seats is how fricking boring it is to watch a race from michigan or california....2 mile tracks are just the wrong size, too big to see much, and too small for restrictor plates....they get spread out too much and there is too much room for anything dicey to happen......

a 1 mile track will make it a better show, you are half the distance from the other side of the track in the grandstands and there will be only enough seats to sell it out....not waay to many

how many seats at dover?.......bet they could sell 75,000 no prob up here

i bet all the canadians that go to michigan would instead come here for a better track, how bout us taking one of michigans dates?

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Re: NASCAR track talks ramp up
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2008, 02:39:10 PM »
Heard about this from some well connected folks over a year ago and it seemed real to me then.

We happen to have a booth in Cityscape and have sent a note to see if I can dig up anything.

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