Author Topic: "Rules is rules..." (Read 10144 times)

Thunder6 · « **on:** September 15, 2009, 11:55:49 PM »

Okay so I'm going to throw this out there because it's been bugging me here for a few days, I'm not all that bright and I'm sure I missed something, so I invite someone to tell me what it is that I missed.

Sept 6 Thunder Car race, Darryl St. Onge has the race in the bag, gets spun by a car about to go a lap down, gets sent to the back as an involved car...

Sept 13 Ministock race Sunset Speedway points leader Doug Butler is an involved car, does not get sent to the back, and I hear the flagman telling him to take his spot back.

It really seems to me that "rules are not rules" if you're the home track points leader and fan favorite...

Not trying to make problems for people leading the points or anything but it seems the application of "the rules" is spotty at best. I understand what's done is done, but I have a very bad taste in my mouth over this whole deal. Anyone see where I'm coming from here?

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CanadianRacingOnline.com · « **on:** September 15, 2009, 11:55:49 PM »

daisygirl818 · « **Reply #1 on:** September 15, 2009, 11:59:19 PM »

Kevin as Spencer stated that Rob was the one who ruled and spencer also commented that usually involved cars are sent to the back. Maybe Rob thought that Doug ended up in the grass AVOIDING stieler. jmo

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Thayne · « **Reply #2 on:** September 16, 2009, 01:10:32 AM »

avoiding or not, it should be the same across the board...Tex has a legitimate argument here. I always said I dont care if the umpires strike zone is 2 inches of 3 feet, as long as it dsnt move, seems like consistency is all that is being asked here.

Ya,I played a lot of baseball back in the day, what's it to yah?

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CanadianRacingOnline.com · « **Reply #2 on:** September 16, 2009, 01:10:32 AM »

K-man · « **Reply #3 on:** September 16, 2009, 01:41:01 AM »

Quote from: Thunder6 on September 15, 2009, 11:55:49 PM

Okay so I'm going to throw this out there because it's been bugging me here for a few days, I'm not all that bright and I'm sure I missed something, so I invite someone to tell me what it is that I missed.

Sept 6 Thunder Car race, Darryl St. Onge has the race in the bag, gets spun by a car about to go a lap down, gets sent to the back as an involved car...

Sept 13 Ministock race Sunset Speedway points leader Doug Butler is an involved car, does not get sent to the back, and I hear the flagman telling him to take his spot back.

It really seems to me that "rules are not rules" if you're the home track points leader and fan favorite...

Not trying to make problems for people leading the points or anything but it seems the application of "the rules" is spotty at best. I understand what's done is done, but I have a very bad taste in my mouth over this whole deal. Anyone see where I'm coming from here?

Kevin,

The way I understand the involved car rule is it depends on if any actual contact is made, then you're classed as an involved car. If you spin to avoid a wreck and make no contact, you are not an involved car and you generally get your spot back.

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Scooter · « **Reply #4 on:** September 16, 2009, 07:07:06 AM »

Ya See'' God Dam it'I'm Not the only person with eye balls,,So St.Onge gets screwed,,The way I see it Mark or Steve better have a chat with That Flagger''To Save a lot Of Arguements,Sunset should have Close circut Video around the track along with Transponder System,,Goes to show how much the fans do watch the races,and Kevin ''Your Right again..

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jibbyjebidiah · « **Reply #5 on:** September 16, 2009, 07:25:10 AM »

St. Onge spun, and stayed sittin there due to traffic and brought out a caution. Butler kept driving right through, yes he hit the spun car trying to avoid it, but in my eyes that is not involved. If thats involved, then half the field should go to the back everytime there is a spin out as everyone checks up and bumps eachother.

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alan evans · « **Reply #6 on:** September 16, 2009, 09:32:03 AM »

I agree with thunder 6, Butler was involved, also i think if you stop you are an involved car,when they stick with the rules and realise that Racing is not fair and never will be, they will take a lot of the arguing and b/s out of racing. All Involved cars to the back.

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HackitAuto · « **Reply #7 on:** September 16, 2009, 11:25:09 AM »

Quote from: Scooter on September 16, 2009, 07:07:06 AM

Ya See'' God Dam it'I'm Not the only person with eye balls,,So St.Onge gets screwed,,The way I see it Mark or Steve better have a chat with That Flagger''To Save a lot Of Arguements,Sunset should have Close circut Video around the track along with Transponder System,,Goes to show how much the fans do watch the races,and Kevin ''Your Right again..

only two nights left with the "flagger" or "iron chest". I heard a certain someone is not getting the "invitation" to come back next year. I can neither confirm or deny if they are true tho.

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ernie · « **Reply #8 on:** September 16, 2009, 05:01:07 PM »

From what I understand about this involved to the back rule it just doesn't seem right to me. Why not an instigator rule? Is the tower afraid to make a call? Do they think everyone that gets spun by somebody from behind is brake checking

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ladybugprincess88 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 16, 2009, 05:14:36 PM »

Quote from: K-man on September 16, 2009, 01:41:01 AM

Quote from: Thunder6 on September 15, 2009, 11:55:49 PM
Okay so I'm going to throw this out there because it's been bugging me here for a few days, I'm not all that bright and I'm sure I missed something, so I invite someone to tell me what it is that I missed.

Sept 6 Thunder Car race, Darryl St. Onge has the race in the bag, gets spun by a car about to go a lap down, gets sent to the back as an involved car...

Sept 13 Ministock race Sunset Speedway points leader Doug Butler is an involved car, does not get sent to the back, and I hear the flagman telling him to take his spot back.

It really seems to me that "rules are not rules" if you're the home track points leader and fan favorite...

Not trying to make problems for people leading the points or anything but it seems the application of "the rules" is spotty at best. I understand what's done is done, but I have a very bad taste in my mouth over this whole deal. Anyone see where I'm coming from here?

Kevin,

The way I understand the involved car rule is it depends on if any actual contact is made, then you're classed as an involved car. If you spin to avoid a wreck and make no contact, you are not an involved car and you generally get your spot back.

1+ That's how I saw the ruling myself.

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charlie7 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 16, 2009, 05:36:46 PM »

I saw two cars sideways on the track, one was the lapped car the other St.Onge, both sideways with one hooked on the other. Then St.Onge backed up into 57 Steve Lang and wrecked again. So if thats not INVOLVED i dont know what is?

Yes It sucks for Darryl, but it also sucks for the lapped car. The guy going a lap down is racing too, its not his job to roll over, its the faster car who has to use some caution in traffic.

But if you side-swipe another car that IS going to cause the caution, and you dont stop, spin, or drag body parts, your NOT involved.

But as for lapped cars, I was one of them in that race, and I just plain moved outa the way for the leaders, couse im smarts enough to know when im beat!!

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Thunder6 · « **Reply #11 on:** September 16, 2009, 07:51:06 PM »

Okay so my point was never that St Onge WASN'T an involved car... I get it that he was. My point was he was the LEADER, and he was taken out by a car about to go a lap down. Fact of the matter is the #00 and the #10 mini ended up going backwards in exactly the same place on the track. After contact with someone else. In the case of the #10, what I saw was he tried to drive through spun cars, and in the case of the #00 , he was spun by 21x who then tried to drive through him. I'm one of the guys who was pulling the body out on BOTH sides...

My point here was if you're going to put involved cars to the back, then do it consistently, and if a guy tries to drive through a wreck he should go on the trailer. Or let's look at it this way, the leader should never go to the back 98% of the time. And you could make a case for the guy who is leading and some guy doesn't give me enough room when I come by to lap him, he's getting bounced.

The rule as applied is stupid and needs to be evaluated before next year. And if certain officials are not being impartial then they should kick stones...

And Ashley I know which side I'm on and so does everyone else. As I recall you ran down to get a picture with the #10 after his win... And I recall you telling me "rules is rules" after Darryl got burned Sept 6... Other people saw the #10 have contact so I'm not blind, but it's pretty clear to me what's happening here. A lot of favoritism...

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alan evans · « **Reply #12 on:** September 16, 2009, 08:33:55 PM »

Problem is racers only see what they want to see even if its their drivers fault so when u say put the leader back to the front after a spin, the other side say "he chopped down " he brake checked me " blah blah so hey all involved cars to the back and as Thunder say's before the season starts you classify what involved means, if three cars are side ways in front of you and you have no choice but you stop and you touch one slightly technically are you involved ? I say yes.

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Thunder6 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 16, 2009, 08:55:33 PM »

Hey I'm all for close racing and all... But I'm all about fairness too.

Just calling it as I see it, for what it's worth.

If everybody's going to the back then fine, some nights you might not end up where you should be, and some other nights you might end up where you don't deserve.

And if you pile it into some other guy because you want to keep your spot you should be waiting for your buddies at Tim Hortons...

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larue · « **Reply #14 on:** September 16, 2009, 10:52:10 PM »

Well,this is one of the first times,i have to admit i agree with THUNDER,thou he still is a punk...lol
The flagman,"ironchest"is all over the map,maybe too much shell shock,or army hazing...time for him to say good bye,sooo long,good byeeeeeeeee.

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