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Posted by: don91« on: September 15, 2013, 11:28:32 AM »Yes, should be interesting, but remember what Helton said in yesterdays press conference pertaining to the new rule, quote, " under certain circumstances we may have to intervene on the new rule", in other words Gordon or Johnson or whoever the favourite might be can probably be exempt from such rule if NASCAR DESIRES!
Posted by: ernie« on: September 15, 2013, 10:18:45 AM »The point in all this is that MWR, and I am no particular fan of that organization, was fined 300K and each team deducted 50 points for breaking a non-existent rule for doing something that we all know has been going on in NASCAR since the first beach race. NASCAR knows it too. Then they cite another non-existent rule to slide Gordon into the chase. The only difference now is EVERYBODY is watching and NASCAR got egg on their faces. Team orders was so accepted by NASCAR that Norris and others did not even think what they were doing was wrong and didn't worry about saying so over the radios. For NASCAR to now bring down the hammer like they never thought this type of thing was going on is hypocrisy to the Nth degree. In an earlier comment I said MWR now had grounds for appeal. But this is NASCAR so the rules don't apply. IF MWR did appeal I would expect black flags to be waved for no particular reason on the 15. NASCAR should probably fine itself for manipulating the outcome of a race when it throws the many mystery debris cautions. How many races finishing order have been changed by those? So we move forward with a 'New rule'. Lets see what happens when JJ slows down to let JG get a point for leading a lap. Should be interesting.
Posted by: marcisfan« on: September 15, 2013, 08:57:51 AM »And Even, lets be honest. I love racing, but there has always been 1000 times more cheating in racing that in all other sports put together. I am sure there were more fines for illegal parts in NASCAR this year than drug/equipment violations in all other major sports combined. The reason for this is obvious, where in racing sometime the technology is more important than the skill (Morgan Shephard has a better chance of winning in Austin Dillon's car than Dillon has winning in Shepherd's car). And don't get me wrong, skill is critical in winning, but the technology has more of a role than in any other sport, hence the desire to "gain an edge" or "work within the grey area" (cheat).
Posted by: marcisfan« on: September 15, 2013, 08:47:52 AM »Lets remember, these sort of things aren't new in NASCAR. Teams have been cheating for as long as there have been teams. Anyone remember Richard Childress at Atlanta in 1993?
Neil Bonnett would also start the final race of the 1993 season in Atlanta, but he dropped out after just three laps. The reason the team gave for removing the car from the race was a blown engine, however Bonnett was teamed with points leader Dale Earnhardt, and the car was retired to assist Earnhardt in winning the season's championship. Earnhardt needed to maximize his finishing position, and by Bonnett quitting the race he was assured of those three championship points. That would be Bonnett's final cup start of his career. Really, this whole thing is just a modern version of what Childress and Dale Sr. Did 20 years ago. Posted by: don91« on: September 14, 2013, 02:38:44 PM »Kangaroo court was in session, what a joke!
They can come up with all the the new rules they want but the way they flip flop on rules they are not worth the paper they are wrote on! Posted by: ernie« on: September 14, 2013, 02:23:15 PM »So today NASCAR has come up with a new rule to address what happened at Richmond. This tells me that what MWR wasn't illegal at the time except for the 'actions detrimental to the sport' catchall. Sounds like grounds for appeal to me. Close to jumping the shark here NASCAR.
Posted by: murray« on: September 13, 2013, 09:07:17 PM »I guess this is. why earnhardt called him Golden Boy.!!! Let's see what happens at taledaga with drafting and blocking of team mates and manufacturers ...
Posted by: don91« on: September 13, 2013, 08:39:51 PM »What a fiasco!!!, lots of empty seats at nascar races, tv ratings are down so Nascar is using this to pump up excitement for the final ten races!
Posted by: ernie« on: September 13, 2013, 07:51:59 PM »NASCAR is pretty close to jumping the shark here. To pretend like this has never happened before is to deny reality. The reason team mates came to be was to help get the A team a championship. The fact that everyone thought this was OK goes to the NASCAR rule book. Hendrick was the only reason this second decision was made. They don't have proof so why put Gordon in. I still don't agree with the penalty MWR got as they didn't do anything illegal except that there was a PR problem and they were stupid enough to keep talking on the radio. If they made the chase include the top 10 plus anyone with a race win that was in the top 20 none of this would matter or stay with the top 10 period. These decisions the last week look worse on NASCAR than anything MWR did or even Penske and Front Row Racing. The meeting next week better ban letting a guy get a point for leading a lap or this whole past week has been a farce.
Posted by: ernie« on: September 13, 2013, 03:59:25 PM »Front Row and Penske on probation and they gave Gordon a mulligan and put him in the chase. So 13 drivers in the chase now.
Posted by: ernie« on: September 13, 2013, 03:54:21 PM »We should find out in about 5 minutes. Press conference with BF and MH at Chicagoland.........
Posted by: slapdown« on: September 12, 2013, 06:43:36 PM »If they thought that the 15 didnt spin on purpose and penalized the team for the 55 pitting then why did the 15 get 50 points deducted? Thought he did nothing wrong??? If the 55 pitted to intentionally help the 56 then only the 55 and 56 should have been penalized. Since the 15 was also docked the 50 points I am sure Nascar feels it was done on purpose but tried to put a spin on it. No pun intended
Posted by: napa55« on: September 11, 2013, 10:57:33 PM »I agree Evan, the chase is a joke.
What they should do (but won't) is award 1 point per finishing position, and 1 point for the pole winner. That's all, no bonus points for leading a lap or leading the most. That should tighten up the standings a bit. Possibly a bonus system that would work would be to "reset" with 10 races to go, but not like they do now. Something like award bonus points per win during the season, but no more than 5. That would put a premium on winning. It would have to be something that insures that the team with the most wins, is the points leader going into the final 10. All drivers are still eligible to win the championship. Simple. The chase, I'm over it, and after reading a bunch of blogs and forums on the whole Richmond fiasco, I know I'm not alone. Posted by: CanadianRacingOnline« on: September 11, 2013, 10:30:59 PM »The whole chase thing is a joke and not to many people liked it. Auto Racing is based on the driver with the most points of the end of the season is the champion plan and simple.
NASCAR is the cause of all these problems. Plain and simple they though they would try and make something better that was never broken. Posted by: napa55« on: September 11, 2013, 09:54:03 PM »Oh yeah and Nascar HAS to penalize the 22, they just have to. The precident has been set. 50 points and $300,000. Get ready for the chase Gordon!
It's still a load of crap! This whole thing smells of Hendrick conspiracy! That oughta get some people fired up! |
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