Question about 4-funs

[rossevans30]

Ok, the 4-funs are no longer at Sunset, but what confuses me, is why there is not a peep from 4-fun drivers.

Few months back when the rules were changed for the sake of common sence and safety to include a roll cage, folks were ready to burn Wes at the stake over it.

Now when the whole division is killed, and many cars won't be competitive in mini, not a word is said.

My point here is not to start a riot, but to reflect back. If these drivers are willing to acept that their division is no more, why such anger over relatively small changes before?

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[ladybugprincess88]

Ross, there's probably not a lot of comments being said as they're just fed up all-together and are working on new plans. They were fighting to keep the division and now with it all gone, what is there to fight for? They knew from day 1 it was something that'd be coming as Wes was making the changes - even though they were good changes. JMO but that's what I think it all comes down to.

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[holland landing]

 I will probally regret responding to one of your posts Ross but here goes .

 First Sunsets 4Fun class was the largest Saturday night short track class in Canada with over 40 cars some nights . Everyone is always talking about how to get new people into the sport well this class was doing it better then just about any class i have ever seen .

 Wes took over the track after the first week of racing and it was apparent from the start to most that he did not like the class by comments he made and actions he took . Wes did pretty much everything he could to kill the class from cutting the 4Fun's to 1 heat and a feature that was run either before anyone got there or after everyone had gone home most nights . Then there was the idiotic idea to run the cars backwards prior to the decree that all cars had 1 week to build a full cage and install a fuel cell and race seat ,even though the majority of Mini Stocks were not running fuel cells . After all this the class was reduced from over 40 cars to about 10 since most quit and some went to Pete where the class ran with out incident just like it did at Capital Speedway and Oshweken every week .

 Your statement of "many cars won't be competitive in mini" is a huge understatement as 98% of the 4Fun cars will never be competitive in mini stock and are up for sale . The vast majority of drivers from this class have just plain quit racing and others have decided to go race else where . Out of the over 40 drivers in the 4Fun class i would doubt you will see any more then a handful return to Sunset in 09 .

 All and all the whole thing was handled horribly and left a bad taste in many peoples mouth . Why you don't see people going off about it on here is that even the the most optimistic of the 4 Fun drivers saw this coming by the end of the season , many saw the end was imminent in July .

 


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[jcrashm2]

Basically they were complaining "then" because they had to make changes to their cars or not run the rest of the season.
Like if the latemodels were told, change to steel bodies next week or you cant run the rest of the year.
I didnt blame them for being upset then. But i could see the tracks point about safety.
But they have no reason too complain now...they knew it was going to happen.
If you have one and want to sell it before next season post it here on CRO classified and on a dirt track site because Ohsweken still runs them and I can see that class growing, now called "bombers" for the 2009 season.
Tracks drop divisions or add divisions every year now. It would be nice if they would just say the class and rules are set till year whatever with no changes.

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[rossevans30]

I will probally regret responding to one of your posts Ross but here goes .

 First Sunsets 4Fun class was the largest Saturday night short track class in Canada with over 40 cars some nights . Everyone is always talking about how to get new people into the sport well this class was doing it better then just about any class i have ever seen .

 Your statement of "many cars won't be competitive in mini" is a huge understatement as 98% of the 4Fun cars will never be competitive in mini stock and are up for sale . The vast majority of drivers from this class have just plain quit racing and others have decided to go race else where . Out of the over 40 drivers in the 4Fun class i would doubt you will see any more then a handful return to Sunset in 09 .

Beleive it or not I agree with you 100%. Which was why I was sad to see it go without a fight. As you know there are not a lot of places to run 4-funs left and Peterborough is a long haul. I'm worried we are not going to see those 40 guys back anywhere...

All the best for whatever you guys from that class decided to do.

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[jibbyjebidiah]

as soon as we were told to have full cages, racing seats, and fuel cells, i changed my gameplan and started lookin at building a mini stock.  my car already had the proper roll cage and fuel cell, only needed the racing seat which was no problem to put in once allowed.  i am now just adding a front and rear hoop, have purchased a motor from a top ten mini stock at sunset and am well on my way to having a decent car for next year.

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[Drive32]

as soon as we were told to have full cages, racing seats, and fuel cells, i changed my gameplan and started lookin at building a mini stock.  my car already had the proper roll cage and fuel cell, only needed the racing seat which was no problem to put in once allowed.  i am now just adding a front and rear hoop, have purchased a motor from a top ten mini stock at sunset and am well on my way to having a decent car for next year.

Last year, I had planned that I would be moving up in the 09 season, REGARDLESS of what was going on. Thats why now I really just don't care, I'm just worried about the wreck-fest ministock might become. =/

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[holland landing]

  Ashley i heard you might be running the outlaw mini class any truth to that rumor ?

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[Wesley]

  Ashley i heard you might be running the outlaw mini class any truth to that rumor ?

I hope so. that would be neet to have the 2008 Miss Sunset a winner inthe Outlaw Minis!!! Damn...

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[Kahnefreak]

is there an echo in here?

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[username]

in hindsight i think the best solution last year would have been to look at each car individually and make safety improvement instructions which have to be followed on a case by case basis.  (some would have to do more than others to meet minimum safety requirements)  would have taken time and effort but at least the guys and girls could have finished up the year.

remember it was sunset speedway that let the cars out on the track in the first place.  If tech had have been given a mandate to make sure there were no death traps out there from the get go it would have been done.

running in reverse was just a way to replace teching suspension on the 4 funs because the resources weren't in place to do a thorough job.

Basically it was a classic case of managing by crisis which happens alot these days....had there been more pro-active management of the division over the last 5 years the division would be alive.  its not on Wes alone probably more Glenn on this one, Wes inherited the mess in 4 fun

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[Wesley]

in hindsight i think the best solution last year would have been to look at each car individually and make safety improvement instructions which have to be followed on a case by case basis.  (some would have to do more than others to meet minimum safety requirements)  would have taken time and effort but at least the guys and girls could have finished up the year.

remember it was sunset speedway that let the cars out on the track in the first place.  If tech had have been given a mandate to make sure there were no death traps out there from the get go it would have been done.

running in reverse was just a way to replace teching suspension on the 4 funs because the resources weren't in place to do a thorough job.

Basically it was a classic case of managing by crisis which happens alot these days....had there been more pro-active management of the division over the last 5 years the division would be alive.  its not on Wes alone probably more Glenn on this one, Wes inherited the mess in 4 fun

Joe thanks for that. I did indeed inherit a problem with the  four fun. and when I asked them to put in safety options, what happened. we had a few of them doing a rolling protest!
allowing down all the other cars that wanted to race..
Joe you are a great drive with a a lot of good years ahead of you, and I for one would not want to see you or any other driver hurt or maimed on my watch.
Thanks for all who supported me.
Wes

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[GIBBY8]

[ I'm just worried about the wreck-fest ministock might become. =/
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lol you said it!

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[3-Wide]

maybe everyone stoped complaing because everyone knows in the back of there mind this had to happen?

theres no question the 4-funs were un-safe....I think it was just the matter of with 4-5 races to go...or whatever it was the changes had to be done right then...is what the issue was about.

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[Wesley]

maybe everyone stoped complaing because everyone knows in the back of there mind this had to happen?

theres no question the 4-funs were un-safe....I think it was just the matter of with 4-5 races to go...or whatever it was the changes had to be done right then...is what the issue was about.

Thank you for this post, this is how we felt as well. they were a time bomb waiting to go off, and even with only a few races left we could not take any more chances, after the last two accidents they had.

Wes

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