Possible 2008 Thunder Car Series On GRR

[streetstocker33]

super stocks don't have to run crates, built are an option. anybody that says they need to get away from making the crate an advantage doesn't know what's actually going on in the pits.

Is there anyone running built engines in Super Stock, or have the rules made it impossible to do so and be competitive?

hathaway runs a built when he comes out to play, because they still have their built from the pre-crate era, but that's it. it has nothing to do with rules, more about common sense. why build a motor when it's only $3300 to buy a brand new crate, it's not hard to surpass that $3300 just on machine work, not counting parts or assembly.

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[Mobil1fan]

I can't understand why guys wouldn't run crates, but what good would it do to turn away the one-two guys who want to burn away their own money?

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[LAKER77]

They woundn't be turned away. Built engines are legal for our division at delaware.

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[DB71]

i don't want to turn this into a crate motor debate--- but who is the crate motor program a "money grab " for ? certainly not the dealers

Any GM Dealer will give you the $3300 price on a crate.
No one is saying go to this dealer or saying they need to be bought from the track.

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[DB71]

BTW, Delaware dose have cars that can run with the Thunder Cars.
We call them Enduros.
Now I'm talking the good guys out there like Smith, Book, Goretz, McCullogh. These guys car will line up with the Thunder Car rules and they run dam fast.
Give them a call.

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[jcrashm2]

I read somewhere MacMaster had a sale on and other people called and got prices of $3900 and $4000 for the thundercar crate. I called and was told only 6 are left in Windsor right now for $3999 plus tax.

And I dont think you would see series for thundercars at Flamboro unless it was run by the WWS guys.

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[Shadowracer]

BTW, Delaware dose have cars that can run with the Thunder Cars.
We call them Enduros.
Now I'm talking the good guys out there like Smith, Book, Goretz, McCullogh. These guys car will line up with the Thunder Car rules and they run dam fast.
Give them a call.

Exactly. So, anyone considering a THCar series would do OK to look at Delaware too. We DO have the competitors...they just don't race on Friday night.

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[streetstocker33]

I read somewhere MacMaster had a sale on and other people called and got prices of $3900 and $4000 for the thundercar crate. I called and was told only 6 are left in Windsor right now for $3999 plus tax.

And I dont think you would see series for thundercars at Flamboro unless it was run by the WWS guys.

$3300 at mcmaster in london, regular price

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[FromTheStands]

Can anyone clairify the major differences between Thunders and the Super Stocks

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[Thunder6]

To my knowledge (I know Thunder Cars, Super Stocks not so much, but I have seen them race) the biggest difference is that the Super Stocks are allowed to run a four speed transmission. The Thunder Cars are not, we use automatics, mostly Powerglides, and are obviously geared differently than the Super Stocks... Delaware is a 1/2 mile oval, whereas Barrie is a 1/3 mile tri-oval... I'm sure someone will tell you some other differences, like the crate engines they use are better than ours, but our built engines would probably be pretty close (we have a crate engine avavilable, but it is not the 602 or 604, it is a truck engine that is down on power to the builts or the 602)

I was at Delaware and was very impressed with the Super Stocks. The track is very fast as the straights are longer than what I'm used to.

I have also stated that I would like to see a series for Thunder Cars, and hopefully it would be extended to us as well.

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[SpencerLewis]

don't delaware super stocks run the same crate engine as a limited late model?

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[Thunder6]

I think they run the 602, I'm pretty sure the crates we have for LLM are the 602 (I was told a crate for LLM was about $3600), but obviously the carb and exhaust manifolds are different Spencer...

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[FromTheStands]

I think they run the 602, I'm pretty sure the crates we have for LLM are the 602 (I was told a crate for LLM was about $3600), but obviously the carb and exhaust manifolds are different Spencer...

We run the 602. We're allowed the 4412 carb as well as the dorton upgraded model. Most cars run the dorton.  We run ramhorns (with a weight allowance of 50lbs) or spec. headers. Single or dual exhaust 3" with magna flo mufflers.


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[Thunder6]

I tried to have a quick read of your rules... We are allowed to run the 4412, ram horns are illegal, we have to use log style manifolds. Headers are illegal. We can use a 2 1/4" exhaust any configuration, "x" pipes allowed, exiting before the rear wheels, with mufflers. We can use the World Products 43600 cylinder heads, and the Eagle 5.7 rods.

I think some of our suspension rules are a little more open too... we have tubular uppers, add 1" to one lower arm, load bolts in the rear, any GM spindle / brake combo... I'm not sure how that works with your rule book.

I know your engines are going to put out some more than what we have here, but it would be interesting to see the Delaware cars and the Barrie cars run together and see how they match up, with gear changes of course... That's why I thought the series would be so cool. Cars from all tracks competing evenly, on a neutral site, like they did with Kentucky Speedway recently... Or at a number of tracks...

I would love to have the 602 in our class, reliability and power all for $3300... Somehow I don't think that will happen though.

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[flybyya8]

 I posted that earlier Tex, Barrie cars should run the 602/ Cheep, reliable, tech, its all win win deal. I am surprised they didnt.

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