Autumn Colours 2010

[WannabeWinner]

jworacing, the "pro" late models went 3 hours and 36 minutes to be exact!
Too loooooooooooooooooooooong.

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[jcrashm2]

alot of cars but werent the numbers down from years past ?....no B feature in "pro" latemodels....only 3 over what they needed for limiteds...i think 47 minis, didnt they have almost 60 once...still great racing, when they were racing, when i was there saturday...
hope some of these guys havent had their fill of turning left and show for octoberfest....

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[22racing]

hey polaris - tommy is a good guy (he and his team helped holden and parker fix their cars) and a hell of a racer.  I had lots for him all race but knew if the positions were reversed, I was getting the Stompin' Tom bump and run like he's done a billion times before so waited as long as i could.  I had more traction out of 2 and gassed up before him hoping to be able to get a run inside but I got into him when he didn't go.  I knew I was getting it back, but he plain 'ol dumped me and cost himself a shot at the win or at least a solid second.  I went down pit lane 'cause I couldn't get my window net back up after saying hi to him on the back stretch - only reason.  As far as the pits go - I do believe he came to my pit stall didn't he?

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[slowel]

Chris well said ,was that DMR car ever hooked up great run.

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[midpack]

......Mitchell pushed him out of the way in turn-1/2 although thats good hard racing

Never,ever,ever will I agree with this idea that "moving" someone is an acceptable tactic - it just isn't. What great talent does it take to drive into the car in front of you? If you're fast enough, pass the car in front of you, if you can't, tip your hat to him for driving a good race and accept a well earned second. Take Brian Mercer in the LM race for an example. It appeared he was faster than the 89 car, he tried to get by him cleanly , couldn't and so settled for a well run second place. You think he couldn't have run into the back of the 89? Of course he could have. You think he wanted to win any less than the 89? Of course not. But instead of simply "moving" the guy who had led the whole race he showed some respect and decided if he couldn't pass the 89 clean then he couldn't pass him period. If it's such an acceptable move why is the driver who's "moved" out of the lead always angry? Why does the driver who did the moving almost always say afterwards " I hate to win that way, but..." and then have a lame excuse why he was justified in doing it? Because they both know it's wrong.

       If you are going to use your car to knock another car out of the way, then you had better be prepared for any consequences that arise from it - you just changed the game, you just said that contact is acceptable, you'd better be ready to get it right back.


      PS - I know a lot of people are going to say that it's Tom Walters, he's done it before so it's alright. I agree Walters has done a lot of things like that - that's one of the reasons he gets as many (sometimes more) boos as he does cheers. But if you think one guy is a villan for doing something, how is another guy a hero for doing the exact same thing? If Walters had bumped Mitchell out of the way earlier and then Mitchell returned the favor, I would have said he got what was coming to him. The fact is however, Walters ran an entirely clean race for 74 laps, and on the last lap of a race he was going to win, got punted aside. If the roles were reversed the crowd would have been howling for Walters' blood, so why is it okay the other way around? Obviously it isn't - you can't have it both ways.

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[flybyya8]

 The scoring dept needs some help. flagman has no blood circulation from the ass upwards.

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[LM_RACEFAN]

Never,ever,ever will I agree with this idea that "moving" someone is an acceptable tactic - it just isn't. What great talent does it take to drive into the car in front of you? If you're fast enough, pass the car in front of you, if you can't, tip your hat to him for driving a good race and accept a well earned second. Take Brian Mercer in the LM race for an example. It appeared he was faster than the 89 car, he tried to get by him cleanly , couldn't and so settled for a well run second place. You think he couldn't have run into the back of the 89? Of course he could have. You think he wanted to win any less than the 89? Of course not. But instead of simply "moving" the guy who had led the whole race he showed some respect and decided if he couldn't pass the 89 clean then he couldn't pass him period. If it's such an acceptable move why is the driver who's "moved" out of the lead always angry? Why does the driver who did the moving almost always say afterwards " I hate to win that way, but..." and then have a lame excuse why he was justified in doing it? Because they both know it's wrong.

Well said

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[Wesley_Motorsports]

Enough.... the Flagman and entire crew at Peterborough Speedway did an amazing job. Let's put challenges on the table.

26 Plus car fields.
Transponders are expensive.
Same goes for two way radios
Racecievers are available, but not all teams have them.
Fair scoring is a must for the racers and the fans.

Scoring and position of cars is based on the last lap PRIOR to the caution flag to realign the field. Kawartha, Flamboro, even Sunset has had its challenges running special events (look at how long it took to run their recent invitational)

Unless you want to mandate transponders, radios or raceievers, aligning the field is going to take some time. Car owners are not exactly flush with cash and neither are all speedway owners. Those that think cars several laps down shouldn't be given respect of where they are in the race, sorry to hear you don't believe in fairness. In my opinion the integrity of the sport demands that every car out there deserves equal consideration. Race Directors may not always get it right, but they have to try - even when mistakes happen.

The more cars the more challenging it is going to be. The Scoring in the tower sets the field, NOT the flagman. Let me give you an example that happened all weekend. The cars are required to have their car numbers placed on the FRONT of the car. Guess how many didn't... more than half of the field. Thus the flagman has to go farther out into the infield to pick out the cars that need to be reshuffled. That takes time because then it has to be relayed to the back straightaway flagman to make a space and tell the cars to realign.

I do agree with one suggestion. Caution laps should count (up to a maximum of say 20 for a 100 + lap feature or a figure of 10% of the total events laps, i.e. 7 or 8 laps for a 75 lap A-Main, etc.)

Another potential solution is ensuring the 3 strikes your out (for causing a caution) is enforced. I think it was at AC, though I think there could be some debate about that in the Pro-Late race.

So knock off throwing stones from glass houses at the Peterborough Officials - it's just plain wrong. I bet some of you whiners would be a disaster attempting it.




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[pit now]

In Pro Challenge we have a 3 strike rule. We also have that no driver gets on the track without a radio. Raceciever or 2 way.

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[flybyya8]

 I'll tell you what Wesley motorsports, when you blow up, travel 2 1/2 hours after a family is awsome enuff to LEND you a car, get crashed in the b main, change a tire under yellow, pass on the outside which is near impossible, finish third, then were told your a lap down even after a protest where they cant tell us for shure why, Then you can tell me. I said it needs help, not anything else. The car owners wife who has been a scorer for over 20 years couldnt get a real answer. Then on top, they let others in LLM and 4 cyl classes have a promotors choice (nothing against those drivers) I'll throw some stones    PS The case family are awsome.

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[slowel]

I guess no one saw Tom slam into the 22 in turn three and then gas it for green on one of the restarts,Tom knew the 22 had something for him.

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[flybyya8]

 Guess not slowel.

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[MARCH]

we drove almost 4 hours one way to get there ......we all thought the racing was great .....well worth the drive ....none of us had ever been there and only heard it was good.well they didnt lie thats for sure ... .well worth it.if the CVM go to run im in for sure.it was a full house




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[blackmagic]

I do agree with one suggestion. Caution laps should count (up to a maximum of say 20 for a 100 + lap feature or a figure of 10% of the total events laps, i.e. 7 or 8 laps for a 75 lap A-Main, etc.)

they do count caution laps after they hit the time limit,up to a maximum of 5 laps per caution
the pro late model race had 112 caution laps in a 110 lap race,not sure how many green flag laps were run but I would guess that the race was probably at least 200 laps

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[3-Wide]

Feature (Lap15) Peterborough 20101010[/url]


OSCAAR video from Autumn Colours posted on youtube.... points of interest
3:43-Crash
4:50-On-Track retaliation
6:15 and onward for the scuffle

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