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Posted by: racewoman
« on: March 20, 2007, 11:37:57 AM »

Can't I leave you kids alone for a few days without you all getting into some kind of trouble? Good thing I was able to log on today and catch up.   ;)

Well I just thought I would fly in and see how things were doing on here. Vrrrooommmmmmmm






Posted by: GREG_M
« on: March 20, 2007, 09:27:32 AM »

Yes, we are cool.
Shadowracer is a subscriber in good standing to ITMN... so he can call me "Mitch" if he wants to.
No need to remove anything on my account.
We're honoured that anyone would stop by our site or read the magazine.
All I ask is a heads-up once a topic involving me/ITMN gets going so I don't miss out.
I'm thinking of running a fun 'pool' on my blog so you might want to stop by around 10 a.m. No barf... I promise.
Have a great day everyone.
Greg.

Posted by: Shadowracer
« on: March 19, 2007, 11:33:32 PM »

Actually, if I recall correctly, the initial post did originally have a link, didn't it?

Anyway, I admit that I thought the breaking report had somewhat of a lopsided slant (due mostly to the photo), and I stated my thoughts. But I really don't think anyone's journalistic integrity is being questioned...not in any significant way.

This thread has kind of taken on a life of its own...and for that I apologize. I'm going to remove my offending post. Too little too late maybe, but its all I can really do.

Greg and I have had a brief exchange via PM and I think we're cool.   

Trev
Posted by: CanadianRacingOnline
« on: March 19, 2007, 10:46:56 PM »

To touch more on what Greg has said anytime you take something from another site a link back to the site is the right thing to do and we expect it.

I sent Griddly a message and said that they have lost a lot of support from us and I feel the only way to make it up is to sponsor a driver and maybe this would help.

I guess for anyone to take anything from them they would have to pay up front the full amount.

I always thought the games suck and were boring just my point of view.

Posted by: GREG_M
« on: March 19, 2007, 10:35:49 PM »

Thanks yaya. Yes, it was tongue in cheek.

Evan, it wasn't my intention to offend. You're right. I don't want to spend my days monitoring posts and I have always appreciated this site. I plan to start a banner ad program on Tuesday and I hope to place it here, if you'll run it.

Getting back to this thread..... Can you guys do me a favour? The next time someone does a cut/paste/reference of something on my site and it turns into a discussion (over here) about my integrity and that of my magazine, would someone please do me the courtesy of sending me heads-up? I wasn't aware of this thread and what was being said about me until Monday afternoon when someone in my office mentioned it to me. Heck, even if it's not an attack, please let me know. It's kind of frustrating to learn after the fact that there was a big discussion about something I sparked... and I wasn't aware of it.

There is no need to log in or register on my site, so don't let that scare you off.

Greg.


Posted by: yaya
« on: March 19, 2007, 09:57:27 PM »

sorry Evan but i think Gregs comments were all "tongue in cheek"   not to be taken to heart and merely a joke  judging by the icons!
Posted by: CanadianRacingOnline
« on: March 19, 2007, 09:33:27 PM »

Hello Greg

Your site is a racing magazine site to sell more magazines. It is not a site like this and you wouldn't want it to be like this site as we allow things to be said that a site like yours would have to monitor like crazy.

Why shouldn't they come here and talk about it? That is what this site is all about. We don't have a site to sell something. Nothing against you or your magazine and we support you in any way we can but it seems when someone comes here and says something it is like you don't support us??

If I recall, we talked many years ago of helping you with a forum but nothing ever became of it.

Hi guys.

The only thing that bugs me about this thread is that you're not having it on my site!!! Thousands of views and not one comment. Geez. But you write novels here ???
Keep it up and I'll have to find some nice pictures and post them on my blog about the guys who read my site and run off to another to discuss it.... ;)

Posted by: MID
« on: March 19, 2007, 09:13:27 PM »

I heard GrisslyHeads was taken over by GoRacing.ca and is going to be the official sponsor of the Cup race at Sanair which was recently taken over by some guy by the name of Gene Roy, or was it Jean Roye, or was it Roy Gene. Anyway thats the story I was told which was released out of the Quebec Fraud Squad...... Can you say Bonehead !! 
Posted by: NealeRacing
« on: March 19, 2007, 05:50:14 PM »

I went to post a comment one time for something but when i realized I had to sign up I said forget it, too lazy lol.
Posted by: GREG_M
« on: March 19, 2007, 01:51:25 PM »

Hi guys.

The only thing that bugs me about this thread is that you're not having it on my site!!! Thousands of views and not one comment. Geez. But you write novels here ???
Keep it up and I'll have to find some nice pictures and post them on my blog about the guys who read my site and run off to another to discuss it.... ;)

But getting back to the topic at hand...

I don't see what me posting that picture has to do with "journalistic integrity." There's no rule I know of that says that being "even-handed" precludes harsh commentary, if the situation warrants it. Besides, if Shadowracer is indeed a subscriber, then that says more to me about what he thinks about me and my magazine... and all I would say to him is "thank you." If everyone else had the same 'disdain' for my work, I would be driving a much nicer car.

I do take liberties on the blog that I don't take in the magazine. So, no, I won't be putting a picture of a pile of vomit in Inside Track.
By now, I hope people know what to expect from our different outlets. Besides, Jim Lapcevich says he likes the funny pictures, so we try to have some fun.
Sometimes, you gotta laugh.

In point form, here are some of my thoughts on the issue of the return of Griddly.

- In spite of the similarities, the new company is not the old company. It's my understanding that the new company does not know the whereabouts of Kerry Martens, the individual who headed the old company. There are, however, some individuals working for the new company, who were employed by the old company.

- It's my understanding that the new company's principle owner is the individual who was hurt the most (in terms of dollars lost) by the old company. The bankruptcy papers list that "5908 Holdings Ltd." was burned for $2,644,071.70 as a "secured creditor" and another $1,929.000.00 as an "unsecured creditor. " Ouch. Let me be clear: What was done in the past was not the new owner's doing and I can't fault the new group for trying to recoup some of their losses.

- The owner of the new company does not expect to get a penny back from Mr. Martens.

- It's my understanding that the new company will not be paying back any of the debts of the old company, as they did not incur those debts. Therefore, it's safe to assume that no one else is going to get a penny back, either.

- After posting my comment and the picture, we were contacted by a representative for the new company. He was very friendly and didn't threaten anything. He wanted it made clear that the new company had nothing to do with the old company. We never said it did, but I added an UPDATE comment to my original post, further clarifying the distinction.

- I posted the vomit because it turned my stomach to think that Griddly Headz was back in any form. The company associated with the words "Headz Gamez" and "Griddly Headz"  did a lot of harm to a lot of people. And for the new bunch to slough it off with a cartoon character saying she had cleaned house, doesn't go far enough (IMO) in recognizing all the damage that was done. They don't have the right to be cute about this, IMO. And all those comments about their high morals and integrity - while at the same time implying a degree of continuity with the old company (e.g. photos from last summer's CASCAR races) - rubbed me the wrong way.

- I don't know this, but it's my hunch that the new company is using a name and branding that are similar to the old company in order to continue to use the NASCAR license. If so, it is unfortunate that this is necessary, given that the old company created so much bad will. I would compare what they're trying to do to starting a new energy company and calling it ENRON... or a gold exploration company and calling it BRE-X. I wouldn't want to start a company with that kind of baggage.

As mentioned earlier by someone else, Pete Shepherd isn't in a Roush Fenway Truck right now because of Griddly Headz / Martens. Period. Promises were made and broken regarding Shepherd's sponsorship for 2007. I feel especially bad about this because I put Roush in touch with Martens in the first place.

And then there are the people of Parrsboro, NS. It's disgusting what was done to them.
I don't want to speak on behalf of anyone else mentioned in this thread, as they can do so for themselves if they wish.

The bottom line, to me, is that the new owners might be able to have it 'both ways' legally, but they can't have it both ways when it comes to my stomach.

Sure, they can imply continuity in terms of the company's name and grandma sweeping out the locker room of the Martens brothers in a cutsie way. And they don't have to pay off the debts incurred by the old company. Fine.

But they do have to put up with my stomach turning when they call their company Griddly Headz Games and try to come off lilly-white like Mother Teresa. The old company, which has a very similar name to the new company, hurt a lot of people.

As I mentioned, the representative of the new company said we could conduct a proper interview within weeks and I hope that is the case. If that happens, I pledge to be "even-handed." And if I can put aside my "journalistic integrity" for a moment, I honestly hope they're successful in what they're trying to do. Canadian racing needs all the supporters it can get. It's just going to take a long time before I can get Kerry Martens' picture out of my mind when I think of Griddly Headz.
Posted by: fourbarrelcarb
« on: March 17, 2007, 05:39:06 PM »

as far as i'm concerned Griddly Headz can go suck an egg......talk to whitlock, petey shepard, joel robinson and inside track about the quality of that company.........i don't care if it was taken over by their largest creditor.........they can still go suck an egg.........

p.s. so can powerwater and go racing.ca
Posted by: joe_h
« on: March 17, 2007, 10:34:02 AM »

Shadowracer, I took one "jab" at you, at that was at your own "jab" at Inside Track and Greg. As for the hinting at inside info, I was simply referring to the fact that anything related to Delaware always had a response from you, for example, people talking about the condition of the track, and you stating that "Well, I can tell you with certainty that there's lots of upgrades in the offing." Tell me if that doesn't sound like your speaking from inside info.

But I do love the not so subtle jab at me. Please, feel free to search the board for my negative comments about Delaware. Tell me where I've slung "BS" at the track. Ask anyone who knows me, I don't have a bad word to say about Delaware. I used to drive 2 hours from Toronto to watch Friday nite races, or the weekend Cascar races, Enduro's, the truck specials, an Alstar race. 

Seems to me I'm only doing what you do. I guess you can say I'm giving a member of the "new boys club" some flak for posting callous BS about someone on the Cascar board, but as you say, whatever!
 
Posted by: Shadowracer
« on: March 17, 2007, 02:45:49 AM »

Wow, this topic sure caused a riot.

Heh...not really. Back in January I gave some members of the "old boys club" some flak for posting callous BS on the Delaware board. Now I'm on the CASCAR board and getting shouted down. Tit for tat...and the message board cliquey-band plays on. :D   

I do hope that the newly formed Griddly Headz can make some amends for the mistakes of the past owners. If it IS the same guys hiding behind a new corp then the vomit is probably justified. But I haven't heard yet one way or the other.

Trev

Posted by: NealeRacing
« on: March 17, 2007, 02:34:10 AM »

Wow, this topic sure caused a riot. That is simply a breaking news blog. Anyone who gets inside track will surely notice in the next issue a whole article written on this subject that won't be referenced to a puddle of vomit.

As for the question about why buy a company in dire circumstances...well why not? What makes more sense to you as a creditor. Rebuild a viable company with a future of profitability and gety your money back, or settle for pennies on the dollar from bankruptcy.

Inside track has always covered issue in their MAGAZINE with great journalism. I do not judge them on a breaking news blog.
Posted by: Shadowracer
« on: March 17, 2007, 12:56:35 AM »

Whatever.

Professional publications should be held to a higher standard of journalism and should expect to be called on it from time to time. They're big boys. I'm sure they can handle a jab from a message board wag like me. (Trust me, I have no illusuiions about what I do here.) So relax. I've probably shot the breeze with Greg too, and I subscribe to the magazine.

As far as the not so subtle jabs at me, I can handle that too.

The only one I don't understand is the bit about me hinting that I have "inside knowledge" of the goings on at Delaware. There's three pages of threads there to pick from...please feel free to point out a spot where I've "hinted" at anything. If I say something's so, its only because I actually called them up and asked them, the same way anyone else here could...provided you had some kind of legitimate criticism. Of course, if you were one of the ones slinging rumor-and-hearsay driven internet BS at them...just because you can, I wouldn't blame them for telling you to take a long walk off a short pier.

Trev

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