THE OSS DAYS AWAY FROM DEBUT

[GiddyG]

I for one plan to support this series as much as possible.  I can't make this weekend but will attend the Cayuga dates.  It would be nice to see this series evolve into 2 times that many competive cars.  Wish i had and exta $10K to spend this weekend

GG

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[Ru-Ready-2race]

Mid you are nuts to say that it cost 7500 -10,000 g'ss for on OSS show man are you all about trying to make money you can run one show for 2500 no problem or the whole season for 15.000 now rental rides yes youcan charge more but 10 g's please, if you crash you buy or fix!!!!     See you at the track

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[MoeskerRacing]

Mid you are nuts to say that it cost 7500 -10,000 g'ss for on OSS show man are you all about trying to make money you can run one show for 2500 no problem or the whole season for 15.000 now rental rides yes youcan charge more but 10 g's please, if you crash you buy or fix!!!!     See you at the track

From my understanding, $2500 will pay for tires and fuel.  Are you saying that you'd expect the man hours put into the car each week to be volunteered?  Now, add the man hours, travel costs, wear and tear costs, and just general mantainance costs - and I'm sure you'll probably figure out that to make it worth it for you rent your car out, you'd probably want to take in at least $7500.  Plus the fact that you bought the $50,000+ race car.  Would you pay that much for a car and then just let some random guy jump in it and race it - while you don't gain anything out of the deal at all?

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[Ru-Ready-2race]

When you see cars on the net for sale at a very reasonable cost, and they are top five cars, you start to believe a rental cost for a car for one race is a little extreme total cost for one to race 6 races is 60,000 g's when you can buy a car for 5-9 grand race on a 15 grand budget so you do the math will you be a top five car maybe not the first year but anyone who rent a ride are they going to be a skilled driver in a car they don't know just my opinion a cheaper rental ride would be justifiable    See you a the races

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[MoeskerRacing]

When you see cars on the net for sale at a very reasonable cost, and they are top five cars, you start to believe a rental cost for a car for one race is a little extreme total cost for one to race 6 races is 60,000 g's when you can buy a car for 5-9 grand race on a 15 grand budget so you do the math

5-9 grand will get you a old and beat up roller.  I beleive a competitive engine will run you between 20-30 grand on it's own.  Can anyone verify that for me?

Plus, if time is money, start to figure that factor out when putting your budget together.

Also, when renting these cars from the bigger teams, you know that they've got the resources to field very well prepared cars.  That experience has got to be worth some coin as well.

I bet you could figure on about 30-50 grand for a decent car with a drive train, $2500+/race for tires and fuel, race hauler and equipment, travel costs, pit crew, general weekly labour, engine rebuilds, damages, and much more.  I really can't see anyone racing off of a 15 grand budget (not competitive anyway).

I guess some guys might be alright with doing it that way, but personally, I wouldn't waste any of my money if I wasn't going to be competitive.  Then I'd rather race something that its cheaper to be competitive in.

I agree, 10g is pretty steep per race, but $7500 isn't too bad if you think about it this way.

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[Pinecrest]

Mid you are nuts to say that it cost 7500 -10,000 g'ss for on OSS show man are you all about trying to make money you can run one show for 2500 no problem or the whole season for 15.000 now rental rides yes youcan charge more but 10 g's please, if you crash you buy or fix!!!!     See you at the track

  mid has been very critical of many of the things I have posted and I think most people here will realize that I am not a shill for him , but to say what he charges for a rental ride is way too much is just ignorant .  Some have accused me of living in the past but I do know that it costs 15 K to rent a top notch USAC midget to run Belville and thats a 4 cylinder engine and your on the hook for allot more if you wreck it or blow it up .
 
 Heres some things I know for sure , mid has been involved in competitive cars from Oswego to Indy and when you run down into the first corner you will not have to worry about the throttle hanging up or suspension pieces falling off .  Can you find a one off deal  that is cheaper then his, probably but can you get into one of the same quality for the money , I doubt it .

  If you know of anyone that will rent you a car where you just show up with a fire suit and a helmet and you get a car that is capable of winning for less please feel free to post it .

  The one line that bothers me most in your post is "are you trying to make money" Dam I sure hope so or he wont be doing it long . I do not see gov.ca in his email address so I don't think he is running  a welfare program  .



 

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[silverfox0005]

to answer moeskerRacing question a competive sportsman engine will run you 25,000 to 30,000. racing in the sportsman series to be competive 15,000 won't get you to far.

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[Racechaser]

to answer moeskerRacing question a competive sportsman engine will run you 25,000 to 30,000. racing in the sportsman series to be competive 15,000 won't get you to far.

Yes but you are now allowed a spec motor which is half that. You can also run a crate motor, but I don't think they could keep up as they would have to run the heavy clutch & flywheel.

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[montess]

Some food for thought

I just built a sportmans car last year

2002 top notch used rolling chassy  $15 000
brand new motor                          $31 000
Body, lexan, decail                        $4500
Trany, clutch, bell housing, starter   $7500
seat, belts                                   $1000
4 gears                                       $6000
rad,fuel lines, oil lines, fan              $2000
Paint, screw, bolts, rivets              $1500

Total $68 500

About 200 hours of time Priceless

Running Mosport

Fuel to and from track    $185
Racing Fuel                   $150
Tires                            $650
Back gate                     $140
2 Hotel Rooms 1 night     $250
Race registration            $50
Drive crew licenses         $300

Total $1725

and absolutely nmo damage but used about 40% of 1800.00 brakes, motor oil, gear oil, and ware and tear to car

In conclusion for all the money and time dave will put into the cars just to get them there and a lot more if it gets recked $7500.00 is not a lot

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[fourbarrelcarb]

hey montess,

   are you running your car this year?

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[montess]

 I ran at mosport, still trying to get all the bugs out of the new car and get used to driving it, its very different from the old car but I think it will be fast at cayuga.

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[fourbarrelcarb]

which car number were you?

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[RDRacing]

I can't but help throwing in my 2c worth on the sportsman deal.  There is absolutly no real reason to spend the kind of money stated here on a competitive engine.  We run in the sportsman spin-off out west-the WEST series.  I run the GM 604 crate engine in both my cars.  Last race we had was the first of the races where some of the guys showed up from the superseries (old CASCAR) with their high end dry sump engines.  Saskatoon is a 3/8 mile track.  We managed to qualify one of our cars 2/10ths off the pole. gaining the 4th starting spot.  When the race started, we were able to move into third, and ran with the big dogs until we had a right front tire issue (who would have thought that an 8" tire turned out to be wider than a 9" tire).  Until the tire failure, we were running the same lap times as the big dogs-holding third.  My engine, less carb/starter/alternator cost new just over $6000.00-intake to oil pan.
It is not a "doctored" crate engine.  What keeps the car counts down in these series is the money people think they have to spend on cars to be competitive, when in fact you can have a competitive car on the track for $20,000.00.  We had someone in our series hurt their sportsman engine, and they are replacing it with a crate.  One other positive to the crate engine is the maintenance is virtually nil compared to the
high dollar engines, which we have seen go "poof" many times.  When we initially tried the crate engine program in Late Models a few years back (against again the high dollar engines) we were laughed at and told that we did not belong on the same track.  Alls we did is win two out of four races, and placed second and third in the other two.  This car has been sold, and is competitive in the series it is now in-thats three years on this engine without opening it up, and its still strong.  What someone in your series needs to do is field a car with a crate engine (of course a properly prepared car-which is really the key here-not horsepower), and be competitive with it.  You will find that people will take notice and will start to realize that they don't have to spend huge money to both be competitive and have fun. and your car counts will go up.  I really don't know how big the tracks are that you guys and gals compete on, but if they are under a 1/2 mile, you may be surprised.  We have one 1/2 mile track on our schedule in August-that is the one that we may run into some trouble with high HP motors, but for the main part we are quite pleased with the crate engines performance.  Midamerica-you are one smart fella-why don't you field one of your cars with a crate, just for chuckles and giggles and see what you can do.  The only real opposition to these engines seems to be from the guys who are collecting the $30,000+ to build these engines that everybody seems to think you need.  You may be pleasantly surprised at the performance and you may just show a whole bunch of guys, with cars, that they can join you series 'cause now it becomes affordable to the average guy-not just the guys with deep pockets or huge sponsors.  Don't knock it 'till you try it.  Good luck to all you guys and gals.  ps  I have a crew chief who spent 12 years in NASCAR himself, south of the border.  He was NOT thrilled when I decided on the crate engine program at first either, but after seeing the performance of the cars, especially after competing against the big dogs, he now is a believer (on short track anyway).  And, I don't have ringer drivers as well-under 12 races late model experience to date, and this is the performance that we have been getting.  We can hardly wait until we can get to victory circle with one of these cars-and we believe we can as we are getting closer every race.

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[fourbarrelcarb]

It's my understanding that the series is going to some type of spec./crate engine deal - the bigger 350 chev seems to be a favourite.......the current sportsman drivers are going to wait until they lose an engine or find the rebuild cost to expensive and then buy a motor......

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[Racechaser]

You can run a spec engine like the one in the Delaware rule book (www.delawarespeedway.com) , a 604 crate engine or a built engine.
Dry sumps are allowed.

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